To protect evidence of a crime, police can seize your cellphone
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PORTLAND, Ore. – According to the Gresham Police Department, a police officer who snatched a cellphone from a woman recording officers making an arrest was acting quickly to keep potential video evidence of a crime from being erased.
Carrie Medina considers herself a police watchdog and has a history of recording police making arrests.
Minutes after she began recording, the Gresham transit officer can be seen in the video walking over and demanding to see her phone so he can check for evidence.
On the video, Medina questions the officer's request, but he tells her he doesn't need a subpoena to search her phone for evidence of a crime.
"Ma'am, do you want to hand me the phone or would you like to show it to me?" the officer asks.
"I don't want to show you ...," Medina begins to respond. At that point the officer snatches the phone from her while it is still recording.
"I was not there to interfere, I was not there to intervene, I was not there to yell at them. I was just there to quietly watch," Medina said later during an interview. "He assaulted me. It was an illegal seizure of my property. It was a violation of my First Amendment right to be able to film. It was a violation of my Fourth Amendment right – the seizure and illegal search of my property."
Gresham police say their officer didn't seize her phone because he was unhappy that she was recording. They say he seized the phone because he was trying to protect video evidence he thought might be on the phone of the arrest he just made.
"The actual arrest itself was a crime of resist arrest," said Gresham Police Department spokesman Lt. Claudio Grandjean. "She's videotaping, the officer didn't know how much she got of the actual resist arrest, but there's potentially evidence of that on the video. That's what he was after was that video. She made it clear she wasn't going to hand it over."
Gresham police say officers don't need a warrant to seize the phone when they feel the evidence on it is in jeopardy of being erased, but they would need a warrant to actually look at the phone's contents without the owner's consent.
"In this case, all it takes is – delete – and the evidence is gone, and especially if someone is (backing away) – I'm not going to give you that – you’re real close to losing evidence," Grandjean said.
In this case the law appears to be on the police officer's side. The case is different than some previous cases where police have seized citizen’s cellphones, even putting a man in jail for recording in public, only later to admit they were wrong.
In those previous cases, police officers have seized cellphones, because they believed the act of recording itself was a crime.
In 2008 Beaverton police not only took Hao Vang's phone he spent a night in jail after he took video of his friend being arrested.
Police said he violated Oregon law that says you can't record someone's audio without notifying them. But Beaverton ended up paying Vang for unjust treatment. Gresham police say that was a different circumstance.
"The courts have found that holding the phone up like this is enough notification," Grandjean said. "You've told people, we all know what they're doing so you have that situation. In this situation you have somebody recording evidence of a crime."
Legal experts say there would be a problem in another scenario where an officer seizes a phone to cover up his own misbehavior.
So what are your rights in these situations?
The American Civil Liberties Union says that in public spaces, you have the right to photograph anything that is in plain view.
Police cannot delete your photographs or video, but this does not give you the right to violate other laws or interfere with crime scenes.
Oregon Eavesdropping Statutes:
Washington:
Why are we still waiting a 'correction' to this story? Is Portland that 'lower market' that they think we don't know?
Uh, guess you didn't check your own archives before publishing this egregiously incorrect article feeding misinformation and police propoganda to the general public. Such an irresponsible pseudo-journalist should only work for the Koch Brothers and has no place in Portland where the citizenry is fairly well educated.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/35580979.html
If I saw someone filming me get arrested, I would want to punch them in the face or try to spit on them. She should have no right to film that person in such an embarrassing moment
@Randall Ross The Supreme Court and Constitution beg to differ. We have the right to film ANYTHING and ANYONE in PUBLIC. It's called copyright law.
Also, I'm pretty sure if you try to punch someone in the face or spit on them while you're being arrested, it won't go so well for you.
Still, judging by the IQ here exhibited, you are an excellent candidate for the police academy.
I like how the headline parrots the position of a local police department, as if it were gospel truth. Where is your journalistic integrity, KATU? There was no evidence the police, in their crusade to save the public from themselves, hoped to gain from this woman's phone. The goal was simply to stop the recording, steal property, and harass a citizen. Resisting arrest cases are prosecuted all the time without video evidence. All it takes is an oh-so-sensitive officer of the law to cry, "He tensed up!" They often use the claim of resisting as an excuse to justify summary street punishment for perceived contempt of cop.
Just like private sector criminals, public sector criminals don't like being recorded, and for the exact same reason.
@Edward Dindinger Apparently KATU 'journalistic integrity' is up for sale, the price, access.
The police are incorrect. Â It is a shame that they do not have the training and education to be aware of the 4th Amendment to the US Constitution which states "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Â The officer did not seek a warrant, he assaulted and battered the owner of the phone, committed a larceny under the guise of the law and misrepresented the law. Â The news anchor should investigate exactly what law the officers claim to be following. Â It does not exist. Â I would have offered the officer that if he gave me his e-mail, I would e-mail the video to him on the spot. That would have left him with no reason to take the phone. Â The woman should absolutely file a lawsuit against the department and citizens in the community should make it loud and clear at the city council, county commissioner meetings, etc. that this type of behavior by law enforcement will not be tolerated.
On your side? I doubt it. You should be defending the rights of your viewers as if it happened to you. I know the media sometimes needs to go out of their way to find some positive PR for some police departments. But this is pretty clear, the police were wrong and your viewers seem to know it judging by the comments. If I produced a story like this, I have one college professor who would probably visit my house and confiscate my diploma because I obviously did not learn anything. Just remember KATU, if and when your own camera is seized at a scene by the police, you said it was okay. You have no more or less rights to what you do than Joe Citizen.
Nope, 7 days later and this story is STILL totally incorrect. I'd be shocked, but this is Portland and we don't deserve good journalists.
When you are willing to give away your 2nd amendment rights, what difference does a few other rights make?
@Dave Alverson The second is in far better shape than the First, Fourth, And Fifth.
Read the section on "documentary materials". http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/42C21A.txt
The most idiotic piece of reporting I have been unfortunate enough to watch.  Moreover, where the editor to review the piece before it is even allowed to be produced.  It does not take much effort to do basic research to discover that the police officer is actually committing a felony, or four.  Theft, illegal search and seizure, assault, and possibly add one for theft of communications services (it was live streaming that she was paying for).  Nevertheless, the only times that the law is enforced is if involves the average citizen.  And the only time the law is enforced on a police officer is if the Police Chief and prosecutor are honest enough to do so.  So, what is going to happen in this incident?  That is the story people want to know.  Not the BS spewing out of your moth....
I am very disappointed in KATU/Tilkin for this. I would hope they would do a follow up story about how the police are wrong. Â
Clearly a multiple violation of law by the officer. I am disappointed that KATU/Tilkin accepted the police position without seeking alternative opinions.
Nothing in-depth about that reporting. Simply wrong. Both the U.S. Justice Department and the ACLU have recently clarified photographer's rights. A google search would be a good place to start for an investigative journalist. This woman's 4th Amendment protections were violated. Shouldn't the news media be an advocate for constitutional rights instead of fronting for illegal police activity?
A follow-up segment and/or retraction would seem to be in order.
You will know what it's like when your cameras are seized illegally. Everyone has the same rights whether it's your photogs or a citizen, the difference is you have powerful attorneys and influence. You should be defending this victim as it was one of your own employees. Your college instructors should be ashamed and your degrees should voided because it's obvious you don't know anything about the very basic rights citizens have been granted by the 1st and 4th Amendments. The only other explanation for this poor excuse of a news story is a deliberate attempt to appease the police, I've seen it in my market before. Now, thanks to your disinformation, the police will think it's okay and people who don't do their own research will also think it's okay too. The FCC requires television stations to provide a service to their community, if you don't, people have a right to file petitions to the FCC when it's time for your broadcast license renewal. For the sake of journalistic integrity, please contact a gentlemen by the name of Carlos Miller, he will be an appropriate source to use you work on retracting that segment.
In the United States, it is illegal to seize private property without a warrant unless it was used in a crime, or acquired through a crime, or used to record evidence of a crime. Even then, officers are only authorized to seize the device to prevent evidence of a crime being deleted, erased, or over-recorded; they MUST have a warrant to view the recordings.
Recording police making an arrest does not fit this criteria EVEN IF CHARGES ARE LEVIED BASED ON WHAT OCCURS DURING THE ARREST; the officer has clearly violated Ms. Medina's civil rights. Police making an arrest is not evidence of a crime, therefore the office had no just cause for seizure. He had no right to take the camera, and no right to demand to be shown what she recorded. At that point, all he can do is submit for a subpoena. The law is VERY clear on this.
The Gresham police should undertake some training so that they comply with the law as it applies to the first amendment rights of photographers and videographers. And this reporter should have done more thorough research before posting this article, and his editor should have caught the glaring errors in the legalities cited therein. They have done the public a disservice by incorrectly reporting the legal aspects of this story.
Larry Flynt said to the media: "How come I have to go to jail to protect your freedoms? "
I think this says it all;Â http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/2013/02/18/katu-news-needs-to-admit-they-were-wrong-in-camera-seizure-story/
Not all the blame for this mockery of journalism should be placed on Tilkin, does he not have a superior or Editor? Â How many people watched or reviewed this material and still decided to put it on air? Â This station should be ashamed of misinforming the public and should announce a PUBLIC APOLOGY. Â Good journalism should be unbiased and not just another tool for local or federal governments to use.
Wow, police PR very badly disguised. Â Investigative, my foot. Â Your investigation consisted of calling the police flack for comment and then paraphrasing everything you were told. Â Do your homework. Â There are plenty of resources out there that will give you an HONEST and UNBIASED truth.
I love how you didn't do your actual homework before reporting so badly on this story. "Trust the flack" seems to be your motto. This kind of reporting falsehoods brings your credibility into question. Reach out to me if you really want to be pointed in the right direction; I know a guy.
Propaganda. Kill your TV.
As usual, there are always calls from many in the public for the citizen to "just show him what you've recorded and it will be over in a few seconds. Why hassle the police?" In response, we should ALL ask, "Why should any of us give up our rights for ANY reason?" Was it really that inconvenient for Rosa Parks to sit at the back of the bus? I mean, it only takes an extra couple seconds to walk from the front to the rear. What difference does it make? It would have been much easier for her to just do as she was told instead of asserting her rights. Until all the citizens of this country start to stand up for what's right, we can expect to have our rights continually eaten away, little by little, until one day you wake up and the police are knocking on your door, asking to see what's on your computer to see if they can find evidence of a crime that they can then charge you with.
As for the police in this situation (and ANY situation), they had no legal authority to seize her camera. And she had no legal requirement to show them what she was recording. In an ideal world, they wouldn't have approached her at all, but seeing as how that's not the case, she also didn't have any legal requirement to answer his questions or even acknowledge his presence. "I need to see what's on your camera." "Got a warrant?" "No." "Am I under arrest?" "No." "Have a nice day, officer." At that point, even if they do decide to make up a charge and arrest you, your best course of action is to put out your wrists and calmly and quietly be taken into custody. (Hopefully, someone else will be recording this part.) Let them take you to jail. Spend a night there. Call an attorney with experience in civil rights litigation. Collect a big, fat paycheck.
@Scott Brynen: Disappointing, yes, but perfectly understandable. Most in the mainstream news sees the "citizen journalist" as a threat to their job security. Instead of telling us that this woman should have the right to be free from unlawful police scrutiny, KATU decided instead to portray her as someone who purposefully antagonizes police. This assures that people like her will, in the future, shut up and do as they're told when the police ask to see what's on the phone. Better yet, citizens will stop recording altogether and leave the journalism to the pros.
Given that the laws that protect your (KATU) news reporters from having their cameras seized by police without a warrant are also the same laws that protect citizen photographers like Ms. Medina, your hypocrisy is astounding. If it would be illegal for police to seize your cameras, then it is also illegal for them to seize hers.
The fact that the police did so in defiance of many laws does not prove that those laws don't exist, it proves that at least one officer is out of control and needs to be reined in, HARD.
Mr. Tilkin;
Must someone contact legal counsel for your station to determine if you're qualified to give legal advice? Or shall we simply assume that you've given due diligence and making any kind of sense short shrift, in exchange for favorable treatment (inside leads, exclusives, etc) from the police? Shall we contact your general manager and find out if your crews typically hand over video on scene on the request of law enforcement, without warrant or subpoena? Are you actually educated for your profession, or do you just have a relative in the industry?
@J. L. Podwis HAHA!! Great comment!
Dear Dan,
Please do the following.
Go back to J School and ask for your money back.
Grow a set.
And what ever you do. DON'T put this story on your resumé for your next stop.
It's disappointing that a reputable journalism organization would not back the citizen journalist in this situation. Running a second story with input from someone like the ACLU and the Natl Press Photographers Association; would be the honorable thing to do, in order to correct their mistake.
Katu is untrustworthy
There is so much I could say, but I think this works perfectly fine. http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/2013/02/16/katu-news-in-oregon-proves-to-be-a-shill-for-local-police-department/
So according to Dan if your station KATU films something and the police claim they may have filmed a crime then KATU must immediately show  the police their video or their camera will be taken from them.  I really hope Portland police start doing this.  Then maybe you will take the time to learn the law.  Mr Tilkin was even so brave to claim the ACLU agreed that the police can take your camera whenever they want (claim you may have filmed a crime) yet there is no soundbite.  Pretty easy to lie when you dont understand the truth.  I look forward to your stations apology for not understanding simple law after the Portland police settle the lawsuit that will be leveled against them. Â
Did the reporter ask where the crime the teen being arrested took place? NO WHY, because then the story spoon fed to this corporate media hack journalist would instantly disintegrate. The police can not search a cell phone without a warrant and without probable cause that the camera was used in the commission of a crime. The officer clearly stole this women property to check to see if she had caught the police committing the crime of excessive force. The teen was arrested for resisting arrest a catch all charge what CRIME was he arrested for that he resisted arrest for. that this women allegedly captured on her camera forcing the officer to confiscate it without a warrant from a JUDGE. NONE there was not crime and logic indicates that the COP probably had MOTIVE to erase the tape to cover his crime. . . A journalist committed to defending the first amendment would have bothered to CHECK the law not repeat the lies spoon fed to him by the ones who broke the law. This "JOURNALIST" should be ashamed of himself he is a disgrace to his profession.
The way I see it...they have cameras all over us. So what if we point our cameras on them?-Other wise NO CAMERAS FOR ANYONE!
We need a once month hearing attended by the police chief to address misconduct and procedural changes until the Portland and surrounding police forces see some real change in their procedures and culture.
@Alex Garcia Actually the best hope I've seen yet is the Chicago PD brass was held liable for the 'code of silence' among LEO's. Meaning that the brass at the highest level is responsible for the cops not talking/testify/complaining about bad cops. So next time a bad cop ends up in court, at least around Chicago, the larger organization will also have to pay up. This will, eventually, end the old 'bad apple' lie.
Pigs hate freedom and media morons can't be bothered to do their jobs.
This is just a loophole for police to use to confiscate your tape without going they the proper procedures. They can just say you videotaped a crime and the phone or tape is theirs. This is the police using the law against us. Not protecting us.
you and your station are a disgrace to Journalism. FREEDOM, learn what it is and why you don't deserve it.
It looks like this reporter skipped J-School 101 - Don't believe everything the cops tell you.
This guy is an insult to the profession, and he needs to be working where his true calling takes him - as a Public Information Officer for the local police department.
http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/2013/02/16/katu-news-in-oregon-proves-to-be-a-shill-for-local-police-department/
OK, the officer did return the phone, and the recording was also live and being broadcasted to the general public. It was a live stream or similar. UH oh..aslo an ALCU rep has made a statement. so we have 2 different stories from 2 different sources. I wonder what the "one" outcome will be .. this case has been filed and is in the process of going before a judge.
Obviously there has been an unacceptable number of people resisting arrest who have not been convicted due to lack of photographic evidence. OMFG. Cops are lying sacks of crap.
@USCitizen NOT all cops.  I am sure there are some good ones out there.... I hope.
Photographing a video poker machine seems to be illegal
As I said in another post here, there is something called due process.  If they needed something on the phone, there is a process to get said evidence. Warrants and or subpoenas etc etc... If she deleted it or did not give up the video AFTER DUE PROCESS, she can be charged with withholding evidence and maybe other crimes.  Also the 14th Amendment states that the state cannot make new laws that overwrite our freedoms.
The key wording here is DUE PROCESS
She needs to consult a good constitutional lawyer.
The headline is patently wrong.
"Â According to the Gresham Police Department, a police officer who snatched a cellphone from a woman recording officers making an arrest was acting quickly to keep potential video evidence of a crime from being erased."
According the Constitution, that violates the First and Fourth Amendments.
Which is the greater authority? I hope Carrie sues the pants off these pigs.