Carjacking victim says Dorner was calm: 'Start walking, and take your dog'

LOS ANGELES (AP) - There was no question. The man standing before Rick Heltebrake on a rural mountain road was Christopher Dorner.
Clad in camouflage from head to toe and wearing a bulletproof vest packed with ammunition, the most wanted man in America over the last week was just a few feet away, having emerged from a grove of trees holding a large, assault-style rifle.
As teams of officers who had sought the fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer since last week were closing in, Dorner pointed the gun at Heltebrake and ordered him to get out of his truck.
"I don't want to hurt you. Start walking and take your dog," Heltebrake recalled Dorner saying during the carjacking Tuesday.
The man, who wasn't lugging any gear, got into the truck and drove away. Heltebrake, with his 3-year-old Dalmatian Suni in tow, called police when he heard a volley of gunfire erupt soon after, and then hid behind a tree.
A short time later, police caught up with the man they believe was Dorner, surrounding a cabin in which he had taken refuge after crashing Heltebrake's truck 80 miles east of Los Angeles. A gunfight ensued in which one sheriff's deputy was killed and another wounded.
Then, as the gunfire ended, the cabin erupted in flames.
A charred body was found in the basement, along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing probe.
The coroner's office is studying the remains to positively determine the identity. It was not clear how the cabin caught fire.
Recalling his encounter, Heltebrake said Wednesday that he wasn't panicked in his meeting with Dorner because he didn't feel the fugitive wanted to hurt him. "He wasn't wild-eyed, just almost professional," he said. "He was on a mission."
"It was clear I wasn't part of his agenda and there were other people down the road that were part of his agenda," he said.
Dorner, 33, had said in a rant that authorities believe he posted on Facebook last week that he expected to die, with the police chasing him, as he embarked on a campaign of revenge against the Los Angeles Police Department for firing him.
The apparent end came in the same mountain range where Dorner's trail went cold six days earlier, after his pickup truck - with guns and camping gear inside - was found abandoned and on fire near the ski resort town of Big Bear Lake.
His footprints led away from the truck and vanished on frozen soil.
Deputies searched door-to-door in the city of Big Bear Lake and then, in a blinding snowstorm, SWAT teams with bloodhounds and high-tech equipment in tow focused on scouring hundreds of vacant cabins in the forest outside of town.
Authorities for the most part looked at cabins boarded up for the winter, said Dan Sforza, assistant chief of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, and often didn't enter occupied homes where nothing appeared amiss.
That could have been how Dorner went overlooked in a cabin just across the street from a police command post set up to capture him. It wasn't immediately known how he got into the cabin or how long he'd been there.
He as there Tuesday, however, when two women arrived to clean it, said Lt. Patrick Foy of the state fish and wildlife department.
With three killings behind him and law enforcement still on the hunt, Dorner didn't shoot them. Instead, he tied up the women and took their purple Nissan as he fled. Sparing the housekeepers ultimately would start the chain of events that would lead to his undoing.
One of the women broke free and called 911, Foy said, and the chase was on.
Two game wardens quickly spotted the car on a meandering road along a scenic lake, and deputies planned to throw down spike strips to puncture the vehicle's tires, authorities said.
The driver of the vehicle seems to anticipate the move, pulling close behind the school buses to give officers no space to drop the strips, Foy said. Dorner had warned - even boasted - in the rant that he knew their tactics and techniques as well as the officers pursuing him.
The purple Nissan then disappeared.
Heltebrake, a ranger who takes care of a Boy Scout camp nearby, said he just had lunch and was checking the perimeter of the camp for anything out of the ordinary when he saw someone emerge from the trees, and instantly recognized Dorner as the man on the news.
Officers trying to find the fugitive quickly realized he must have turned onto a side road, but for a few minutes nobody involved in the chase knew he had changed vehicles.
That was when officers saw Heltebrake's truck, and Dorner appeared to be behind the wheel. And then the shooting started.
At one point, an officer emptied a high-powered semiautomatic rifle into the truck, but Foy said he doubts the driver was hit. "If he had been struck it would have caused so much damage immediately that he (the warden) probably would have known," he said.
Out of options after crashing the pickup, the driver made a break for a cabin and barricaded himself inside.
With the standoff under way, officers lobbed tear gas canisters into the cabin. A single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, said a law enforcement official who requested anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.
It wasn't known what kind of gas the officers used, but one common variety, CS gas, is carried by many officers for crowd control and is more prone to causing a fire if launched into a building, said Gregory D. Lee, a retired federal drug enforcement agent.
If the body found there proves to be Dorner's, the death toll from the rampage would be four, including a Riverside police officer.
Police said Dorner began his run on Feb. 6 after they connected the Feb. 3 slayings of a former police captain's daughter and her fiance with his angry manifesto.
Dorner blamed former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan for providing poor representation before a police disciplinary board that fired him for filing a false report. Dorner, who is black, claimed he was the subject of racism by the department and was targeted for reporting misconduct.
Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed his allegations, said he would reopen the investigation into his firing - not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which had a tense relationship with police that has improved in recent years.
LAPD Lt. Andrew Neiman said his agency had returned to normal patrol operations Wednesday but about a dozen targets Dorner threatened to go after would continue to be protected until the remains are positively identified.
"This really is not a celebration," he said.
Clad in camouflage from head to toe and wearing a bulletproof vest packed with ammunition, the most wanted man in America over the last week was just a few feet away, having emerged from a grove of trees holding a large, assault-style rifle.
As teams of officers who had sought the fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer since last week were closing in, Dorner pointed the gun at Heltebrake and ordered him to get out of his truck.
"I don't want to hurt you. Start walking and take your dog," Heltebrake recalled Dorner saying during the carjacking Tuesday.
The man, who wasn't lugging any gear, got into the truck and drove away. Heltebrake, with his 3-year-old Dalmatian Suni in tow, called police when he heard a volley of gunfire erupt soon after, and then hid behind a tree.
A short time later, police caught up with the man they believe was Dorner, surrounding a cabin in which he had taken refuge after crashing Heltebrake's truck 80 miles east of Los Angeles. A gunfight ensued in which one sheriff's deputy was killed and another wounded.
Then, as the gunfire ended, the cabin erupted in flames.
A charred body was found in the basement, along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing probe.
The coroner's office is studying the remains to positively determine the identity. It was not clear how the cabin caught fire.
Recalling his encounter, Heltebrake said Wednesday that he wasn't panicked in his meeting with Dorner because he didn't feel the fugitive wanted to hurt him. "He wasn't wild-eyed, just almost professional," he said. "He was on a mission."
"It was clear I wasn't part of his agenda and there were other people down the road that were part of his agenda," he said.
Dorner, 33, had said in a rant that authorities believe he posted on Facebook last week that he expected to die, with the police chasing him, as he embarked on a campaign of revenge against the Los Angeles Police Department for firing him.
The apparent end came in the same mountain range where Dorner's trail went cold six days earlier, after his pickup truck - with guns and camping gear inside - was found abandoned and on fire near the ski resort town of Big Bear Lake.
His footprints led away from the truck and vanished on frozen soil.
Deputies searched door-to-door in the city of Big Bear Lake and then, in a blinding snowstorm, SWAT teams with bloodhounds and high-tech equipment in tow focused on scouring hundreds of vacant cabins in the forest outside of town.
Authorities for the most part looked at cabins boarded up for the winter, said Dan Sforza, assistant chief of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, and often didn't enter occupied homes where nothing appeared amiss.
That could have been how Dorner went overlooked in a cabin just across the street from a police command post set up to capture him. It wasn't immediately known how he got into the cabin or how long he'd been there.
He as there Tuesday, however, when two women arrived to clean it, said Lt. Patrick Foy of the state fish and wildlife department.
With three killings behind him and law enforcement still on the hunt, Dorner didn't shoot them. Instead, he tied up the women and took their purple Nissan as he fled. Sparing the housekeepers ultimately would start the chain of events that would lead to his undoing.
One of the women broke free and called 911, Foy said, and the chase was on.
Two game wardens quickly spotted the car on a meandering road along a scenic lake, and deputies planned to throw down spike strips to puncture the vehicle's tires, authorities said.
The driver of the vehicle seems to anticipate the move, pulling close behind the school buses to give officers no space to drop the strips, Foy said. Dorner had warned - even boasted - in the rant that he knew their tactics and techniques as well as the officers pursuing him.
The purple Nissan then disappeared.
Heltebrake, a ranger who takes care of a Boy Scout camp nearby, said he just had lunch and was checking the perimeter of the camp for anything out of the ordinary when he saw someone emerge from the trees, and instantly recognized Dorner as the man on the news.
Officers trying to find the fugitive quickly realized he must have turned onto a side road, but for a few minutes nobody involved in the chase knew he had changed vehicles.
That was when officers saw Heltebrake's truck, and Dorner appeared to be behind the wheel. And then the shooting started.
At one point, an officer emptied a high-powered semiautomatic rifle into the truck, but Foy said he doubts the driver was hit. "If he had been struck it would have caused so much damage immediately that he (the warden) probably would have known," he said.
Out of options after crashing the pickup, the driver made a break for a cabin and barricaded himself inside.
With the standoff under way, officers lobbed tear gas canisters into the cabin. A single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, said a law enforcement official who requested anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.
It wasn't known what kind of gas the officers used, but one common variety, CS gas, is carried by many officers for crowd control and is more prone to causing a fire if launched into a building, said Gregory D. Lee, a retired federal drug enforcement agent.
If the body found there proves to be Dorner's, the death toll from the rampage would be four, including a Riverside police officer.
Police said Dorner began his run on Feb. 6 after they connected the Feb. 3 slayings of a former police captain's daughter and her fiance with his angry manifesto.
Dorner blamed former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan for providing poor representation before a police disciplinary board that fired him for filing a false report. Dorner, who is black, claimed he was the subject of racism by the department and was targeted for reporting misconduct.
Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed his allegations, said he would reopen the investigation into his firing - not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which had a tense relationship with police that has improved in recent years.
LAPD Lt. Andrew Neiman said his agency had returned to normal patrol operations Wednesday but about a dozen targets Dorner threatened to go after would continue to be protected until the remains are positively identified.
"This really is not a celebration," he said.
Do the housekeepers get the million dollar reward for calling 911?
This just gets dumber and dumber. The cabin is completely toast, the body is fried, but yet magically they found a wallet with his drivers license in it. If the fire was bad enough to completely char the body then the wallet and license would have burned up long before the body did.Â
The police & media are losing credibility fast.
I certainly wouldn't want to be the coroner on this one. If s/he has any reason to doubt the identity s/he is likely to be next to disappear. It's happened before, and can happen again.
An 1800 sq. foot cabin, I'm just in the wrong line of work !
I was on the LA cop's side until they shot two Hispanic women in the wrong make and model of truck, in the back, without ascertaining the target.  When they did it again by ramming another truck that is no where near similar to the suspects and shot him, I was pretty much confirmed LAPD is corrupt.  It's not simple "mistaken identity" as their chief reports.  If the cops can't get the make, model, color of a truck, or the number of suspect, the gender and race, and then shoot them before finding out?  Yeah, there is something wrong with the LAPD.  And...didn't they just fire 7 cops for some corruption of protecting drug dealers or hosting their own laws?
When the Police intentionally set the fire, they did not know 100% if it was Dorner or if he was the only one in the house. We all know and have heard the police scanner of what really happen. the dispatcher even comfirmed that they(police) started the fire.
How do you have police checking a MT. and you do not check the house across the street?!?! the whole time police were saying that Dorner is smart, he knows what we know.... so do you guys train to not fully check a house that is across the street from your comand post? Dorner was probably peeking out the window saying, what a bunch of idiots, while he got his fire proof wallet ready. all the law enforcements need to get their stuff together and just admit their wrongs!!
@EKCoupe They didn't know for sure it was him. Just like the LAPD didn't know who was in the truck(s) they shot up, it was just the same make/model/color.
Can one of you cops explain to me why he would have ID in a wallet? Is that in case he got carded, or pulled over?
Why did the LAPD say they found his wallet and ID near the Mexican border last week? He must have decided, at some point after the whole spree began, either to ditch his wallet and leave a clue, or, he lost his wallet and managed to have his drivers license and a replacement new wallet in the cabin.  So... if he didn't already have two wallets, where did he get the second one?
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@Dr. Rawdog Regardless of having two wallets or not, none of them would have survived the fire.Â
It seems that this guy was only a danger to the police. him being calm means he was at peace with what he was doing.. this shows 2 distinct sides. Now even I am confused.
@lee986321Â I'm not confused at all. Did you read his "manifesto"? That wasn't the work of a crazy man.
Those were the words of someone who was following a conviction to do the right thing, even at the ultimate cost to himself - in the hopes that his sacrifice might finally be the catalyst for change.
That maybe, the world might listen.
Had I been the one who'd seen him, I don't think I'd have called it in.
@starshadow @lee986321 yes, and the manifesto can be read in two different sides of view, some say it is a pure rant, some say it is his wording of his anger. Look, I been through this kind of thing, I mean where some one screws up your paper work to the point where you wish you could kill some one. but, I never took it that far. Sure I could write some thing. People would call me nuts or they would see it as some wrongs needing to be corrected.Â
But nothing can be more irritating then when some one deliberately covers there lying carucus .
No, You haven't a clew what is like to be wronged. You have no idea..what it is like to be set up for failure.
Well, I am glad that I have the ability to hold it together.
as for Doner Who are you to judge Where you there when he was fired? Where you there when the meeting took place? No You were not.
So how can you sit there and judge what he wrote?
It doesn't appear that the average person had anything to fear from this guy.  Different story if you were a member of law enforcement or close to them.  I'm glad they got him, if indeed they did, before some member of the law overreacted and shot some innocent  person.  Entirely possible if you were as scared as they were, and rightly so.
What kind of fire-resistant material was this wallet made of? The cabin burned for hours...
@Reflect They always claim they found a wallet just to lie up loose ends in their story, except it causes more doubt. Just like the wallet that a FBI agent found from one of the supposed 911 highjackers after the towers had fallen. I just don't by the convenience and implausibility of the wallet surviving a huge raging inferno while the body is char beyond recognition.
@axpman@Reflect@axpman@Reflect Yep...Atta's passport conveniently drifted to the street after surviving a heavily-fueled 767 smashing into a 110-story skyscraper at ~450 mph. The steel columns sheered those planes into countless flaming pieces. I just can't believe the sh** people buy.
@Reflect I think it is safe to say, that he had a Leather Wallet or metal kind that are RFID reader proof.
@Reflect And how many wallets did he own? There were news reports that a cab driver turned in a wallet with Dorner's ID inside.Â
@SelfPossessed @Reflect If I was a fugitive running from everybody on the planet, the last thing I'd bother to carry around with me is a spare wallet, let alone ID. I'm trying to figure out why I would do that if I were him.Â
http://www.infowars.com/lapd-audio-from-dorner-siege-burn-this-motherfucker/
Audio that appears to indicate that the police intentionally set the fire. All along in this case, I had the distinct impression that the LAPD was not interested in taking Dorner alive. I wonder what they were afraid of?
@Altazi Â
 How many more lives had to be wasted in order to take this guy alive? I'm sure that San Bernadino S.O. wasn't in a real forgiving mood especially since the guy made it clear that he wasn't going to surrender.
@Scotty9 @Altazi None...no food, no nothing....he would have had no choice but to come out or shoot himself.  The cops are not judge, jury and executioner.  As vile as we may have found this whack job, we have this thing called the rule of law!
@jpdx00Â :He certainly did not have any problme being judge, jury, and executioner to those who had no bearing on his firing or legal case"
So when he does it he's a criminal, when a cop does it he's a hero.....got it!
@Scotty9 It doesn't matter. They're only legally justified to shoot him if he's an actual threat. Coming out with his hands up and obeying commands would have been the right thing to do so he could go through the criminal system and be prosecuted. The police are not judge, jury & executioners -- they don't have that right.. except they always get away with it and who is going to stop them? their supervisors just pat them on the back and defend them from further criticism.Â
@B Smizzle @Scotty9 @Altazi Â
 You seem to forget that this man was actively shooting at the police and refused to surrender. The police were obligated to end his rampage and since he refused to surrender, deadly force was the only option. And whatever type of weapon they used to end it is irrelevant. I suppose you have a problem with the police shooting back? They should have just let him keep shooting without a response? Mr. Dorner sentenced himself to death and most likely shot himself when he knew he couldn't hold out any longer.
I have no problem with them lighting this man up. He certainly did not have any problme being judge, jury, and executioner to those who had no bearing on his firing or legal case. Rule of law, deadly force is justified when deadly force is used.   Anyone got a marshmellow?
@Altazi Wow, this is messed up!
Perhaps Mr. Dorner had a valid beef with LAPD. Perhaps he lost his job unfairly. He exhausted all methods for justice and for whatever reason got nowhere. If that's true I'm very sorry for him, but that in no way excuses the lives he destroyed and the terror he inflicted on so many innocents.  He claims in his manifesto to be a man of honor. He threw that away and any other title of respect.  Such a waste. He started and lived most of his life with honor and integrity and ended it as just another loser in a country seeming to brim with losers.
@Scotty9Â
Yeah, I really don't understand all the stories about this guy attaining "folk hero" status among some people. Â He killed people who were COMPLETELY uninvolved in his firing. Â I mean, his lawyer's DAUGHTER? Â Random police officers at stop lights? Â Sheriff's Deputies from an entirely different county? Â There is no honor in terrorism. Â None, whatsoever. Â This guy is frying in hell as we speak.
When can we hear about all the people the police shot because they were in a dark colored truck and what is going to happen to them? A concerned citizen would like to know...
@FreedomRocks I was uncomfortable today when I heard that police were saying the case is now closed.  I'm no conspiracy theorist, but there's far more to this story than we know at this point.  I hope when all is said and done, a thorough investigation of Dorner's claims is conducted....independently by the DOJ or some other entity that has the ability to get to the bottom of his allegations....that thin blue line can equivocate a thick blue steel wall when it comes to cops investigating cops.  IMO.
@Sundowner @FreedomRocks Â
 I think what the sheriff was trying to say was that the manhunt was over. The case is far from closed.Â
In most cases, cops investigating cops are a whole lot more inquisitive and thorough because they hold fellow cops accountable to agency policy and procedures not just the existing law. Policies and procedures can be, and usually are, more restrictive than law. Been there, done that! I have personally investigated complaints against officers, and have helped send several down the road after a complete investigation. Perhaps large agencies are different, but middle-size ones are not!Â