Black Friday numbers are in - Thanksgiving stole sales

UNDATED - Thanksgiving shopping took a noticeable bite out of Friday's start to the holiday season, as the latest survey found retail sales in stores fell slightly from last year.
Saturday's report from retail technology company ShopperTrak finds consumers spent $11.2 billion at stores across the U.S. That is down 1.8 percent from last year's total.
This year's Friday results appear to have been tempered by hundreds of thousands of shoppers hitting sales Thursday evening while still full of Thanksgiving dinner. Retailers including Sears, Target and Wal-Mart got their deals rolling as early as 8 p.m. on Turkey Day.
Online shopping also may have cut into the take at brick-and-mortar stores: IBM said online sales rose 17.4 percent on Thanksgiving and 20.7 percent on Black Friday, compared with 2011.
Yet ShopperTrak said retail foot traffic increased 3.5 percent, to more than 307.67 million store visits, indicating at least some shoppers were browsing but not spending freely.
"Black Friday continues to be an important day in retail," said ShopperTrak founder Bill Martin. "This year, though, more retailers than last year began their doorbuster deals on Thursday, Thanksgiving itself. So while foot traffic did increase on Friday, those Thursday deals attracted some of the spending that's usually meant for Friday."
The company estimated that shopper foot traffic rose the most in the Midwest, up 12.9 percent compared with last year. Traffic rose the least, 7.6 percent, in the Northeast, parts of which are still recovering from Superstorm Sandy.
ShopperTrak, which counts foot traffic and its own proprietary sales numbers from 25,000 retail outlets across the U.S., had forecast Black Friday sales would grow 3.8 percent this year, to $11.4 billion.
While consumer confidence has been improving, many people are still worried about the slow economic recovery, high unemployment and whether a gridlocked Congress can avert tax increases and government spending cuts — the so-called "fiscal cliff" — set to occur automatically in January.
And some would-be shoppers said they weren't impressed with the discounts, or that there wasn't enough inventory of the big door-busters.
"As far as deals, they weren't there," said Tammy Stempel, 48, of Gladstone, Ore. "But business have to be successful, too. I'm hoping they extend the deals through December."
She was waiting in line outside an Ikea in Portland on Saturday to buy pots and pans for her 18-year old daughter — as a hint that it was time to move out. Stemple and her husband went shopping at two Targets, Michaels and other stores Friday, but failed to find any amazing deals, even on a flat-screen TV they wanted for themselves.
Target, Best Buy and other stores near the Ikea seemed to have few customers, and traffic at the nearby Lloyd Center Mall also was light, even for a normal weekend.
Many shoppers around the country were armed with iPads and smart phones, to check prices as well as buy.
Online auction and shoppping site eBay reported more the 2.5 times the number of mobile transactions as last year.
Online retailers worked as hard as brick-and-mortar stores to draw customers, sending each of their subscribers an average of 5.9 promotional emails during the 7 days through Black Friday. That's an all-time high, according to marketing software company Responsys.
IBM, which tracks more than 1 million transactions at 500 online retailers each day, said its data showed 24 percent of online shoppers used a mobile device to check out a retailer's site and about 16 percent of online purchases were made on a mobile device. But while total online spending rose sharply, the value of the average online order dipped about 5 percent to $181.22.
In spite of all the TV reports showing shoppers carting away laptops and giant flat-screen TVs, IBM said combined sales of consumer electronics, printers and other office supplies were up only 8 percent, with average order prices of $326.05.
Sales of appliances and other home goods rose the most, up about 28 percent from Black Friday last year. Clothing sales rose 17.5 percent, department store sales grew just under 17 percent and sales of health and beauty products rose 11 percent.
Despite the throngs in stores Thursday night and Friday, many shoppers held off until Saturday, hoping for shorter lines and less drama.
"I can't deal with all that craziness," said Miguel Garcia, a 40-year-old office coordinator who was at a Target in the Bronx, New York, on Saturday. "Compared to what I saw on TV yesterday, this is so much more comfortable and relaxed. I can actually think straight and compare prices."
Garcia was checking prices for phones and tablets at various stores, and planned to delay any purchases until Cyber Monday when he'd have a better sense of the best deals. As money has gotten tighter over the years, Garcia said he comparison shops more.
"It forces you to become a good consumer," he said.
Tanya Dunham, a 32-year-old patient coordinator representative, likewise avoided the crowds on Black Friday and was shopping at the same Target Saturday.
"I don't like to wait (in line) just to save $15 or $20," said Dunham.
For the entire holiday sales season of November and December, ShopperTrak has predicted sales should rise 3.3 percent over last year. Those two months are crucial for retailers and can account for up to 40 percent of stores' annual revenue.
AP Business Writers Candice Choi in New York and Sarah Skidmore in Portland, Ore., contributed to this report.
Copyright 2012 The Associated Press.
What will Obama blame this poor shopping season on?, a 'video'? Bush? When will our dear leader be honest and claim the economy as his own? [58 Million]  voters already know it's Obama's economy, when will Barack figure it out?Â
@last boyscout 61,000,000 million said it wasn't.They win
Check Top Ten Deals announced on Cyber Mondayhttp://newkindlefirehd.blogspot.com/2012/11/top-ten-deals-today.html
"consumers spent $11.2 billion "
How much of that went on credit, I would bet over half.....people spending money they don't have on plastic made in china trinkets they really don't need!
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This is what our country has come to????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jnBrpPaZ9c
3 days of people spending like maniacs isn't going to save retailers and economy.
@TimBurr You can't save a economy by using credit making more debt.(of course those crediters get richer off the fees and late charges, so at least someone benifits)
Like politics I am sick of all the hype, media bombardment and premature marketing in the name of a "holiday" or to take advantage of a persons day off and need or want to buy more for less.
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In August you start seeing Halloween, then Thanksgiving and Christmas are rolled out as one by the middle of September. None of the holidays is about their reason, just what can be pushed for sales to out do the next neighbor, shopper or retailer profits.
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Politics and Holidays both have lost their meaning and any premature interest.
I didn't buy a thing...
@August100 I bought a jar of mayo thursday because I forgot I was out and I'll be damned if I am going to break my tradition of 2AM turkey sandwitch! I wonder, how the hell can I wake up thanksgiving night craving a turkey sandwitch after eating till I almost puke?
11 billion spent on plastic treasures that will be junk in less than a year, except for maybe 1 billion in socks.
 @The Voice of Reason I <3 new socks every year!
Why is is it Undated?
Most people will spend until they have nothing left. The economy is tanking and a prudent person would be saving up for the hard times to come. But most folks refuse to believe that we are headed for a huge crash in the near future.
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Those of us who are prepared will be well set to take advantage of the deals out there after the masses realize that the economy is tanking.
You've been predicting economic doom and gloom for as long as I've been posting on this site (3 years), Ralph. Don't you ever get tired of sounding like a broken record?
 @catherine.henry Like Obama? Yes, we are pretty damn tired of listening to Obama.
@last boyscout @catherine.henry Change the channel...unless your stuck on Fox then just God Bless.
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And it is indicative of the problems we have that will get worse when the fiscally responsible folks are in the minority.
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For this reason we are doomed and Alexander Tytler was correct when he penned this over 200 years ago.
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."
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We are at that point and voters will vote for those candidates who promise the most benefits. It's just a matter of time before the end.
As in 'you' the minority?
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Just be patient.
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Look at the EU. They are in a recession that is getting worse every day. They don't have the money they need to get out of it because they have borrowed more than they can pay back already. Now the are down to cutting back on government spending.
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They will have to increase taxes, cut spending, lay off workers, and cut projects. When governments increase taxes people spend less. Spending less means private enterprise will have less income to stay alive much less expand.
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If you don't like reading my posts then move on. Some people want to know what the future holds and be prepared for it. Others want to pretend that everything is fine which is human nature and is one of the major reasons we will fail as a nation.
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All you have to do is do the research like I have. You will come to the same conclusion unless you are in total denial or don't understand macro economics. Here is a link that was published before QE2 and QE3. The money supply is much higher that this graph shows.
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3965909
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In case you were not aware, the largest creditor to the US government is the Social Security trust fund. Now that there are 10,000 baby boomers retiring each day for the next 19 years the percentage of retirees will go from the current 17% to over 30%. That means that the US government will have to pay back all that money it borrowed from the SS trust fund with interest. Soon almost 100% of the total US budget will go towards paying SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and interest on the debt.
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This means no money for anything else. No military, no national parks, no fixing roads, no justice department, no prisons to put bad people into,...
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Don't want to face the facts, then by all means ignore it. But when it happens just don't come back and say you had no idea this was coming down the road.
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Plus there are more and more folks on public welfare and food stamps. These people are a net drain on the economy.
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Considering that there are 47% of people on welfare, SS, or some other government program, that does not bode well for the economy in the long term.
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Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that people getting SS are leaches on society. They paid into the system and deserve every dime they get and then some. Most people who put into SS would have 10 times the money had they invested in secure financial instruments like government bonds.
@RalphCramden @catherine.henry" When governments increase taxes people spend less. Spending less means private enterprise will have less income to stay alive much less expand."Â Â and to complete the vicious cycle:Â Less income from less jobs from less private enterprises means less tax revenue which means 2 things: the cure is worse than the disease, and the govt is cutting off it's nose to spite the face. Or killing the golden goose for a quick fix. Or I need more Guiness. I am doing my fair share to keep Guiness in buisness tonight!
 @catherine.henry Patience Catherine, when the trillions and trillions of dollars worth of 10 year bonds start coming due....Â
 @RalphCramden Or the wise will even get the deals on generators and things that are of a True need,
I think what has happened
is people got the mentatllity "I better get it now or I won't be able to later" a very dangerous mentatllity.
 @lee986321  @RalphCramden Or worse some peoples mentality is "I don't want to work for it so I will just leach off the government and other peoples hard work"
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Sound familiar????
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It sounds very familiar.
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Swipe yo EBT.
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