Did a baker break the law when he denied service to same-sex couple?
GRESHAM, Ore. -- A Gresham baker is the subject of a state investigation after he refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.
Did Sweet Cakes owner Aaron Klein violate the law when he told the couple that he couldn’t sell them a cake because “they were abominations to the Lord?”
That’s what Oregon Attorney General's civil enforcement officers are looking into after one of the brides-to-be filed a complaint on Jan. 28.
The woman who filed the complaint said she had previously bought a cake from Sweet Cakes for her mother’s wedding. It was fine. But when her partner went back for their wedding cake on Jan. 17, the owner refused.
Klein on Friday denied making the harsh statement, but admitted to a KATU reporter on camera that he did deny her service.
“I apologized for wasting their time and said we don’t do same-sex marriages,” he said. I “honestly did not mean to hurt anybody, didn’t mean to make anybody upset, (it’s) just something I believe in very strongly.”
But beliefs aren’t enough to cover him under state law. The Oregon Equality Act of 2007 prohibits discrimination against people based on their sexual orientation and gender identity. The statute includes public accommodations, such as businesses.
Klein emphasized the importance of his religious beliefs, saying it outweighs his bottom line and the state law.
“If I have to be to, I guess, be penalized for my beliefs, then I guess, well, that’ll be what it is,” he said.
The question now: whether his constitutional rights outweigh state statute.
“My First Amendment rights allow me to practice my religion as I see it,” Klein said.
We asked Portland attorney Paula Barran whether this case falls under the 2007 statute. She said it did, but added that she did not know how the owner’s religious beliefs would factor in.
“Statutes don’t get to overcome constitutional protections, so if somebody had a religious-based reason for wanting not to trade with somebody, I think you have a really interesting test case for whether or not a statute like this can apply,” Barran said.
There is no exception under the state's anti-discrimination law for religious beliefs. Ultimately, the case would be up for a judge to decide.
The woman who filed the complaint declined to comment to KATU until she receives further legal advice.
Did they by any chance order a "FRUIT" cake ?
Yes, anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ is the ONLY way into heaven is going to Hell. It doesn't matter what you believe in, what matters is what's the TRUTH.Â
A judge is NOT going to let a criminal go free, let alone REWARD him/her with HEAVEN, if the criminal broke a law. The 10 commandments are those laws, and I know for sure NO PERSON kept them, everyone broke at least one, hundreds of times. Therefore, God , being a just Judge HAS to punish those who broke HIS laws, and that punishment is death.  And NO, your good deeds won't get you off the hook. You can't "work" your way into heaven...
And yeah, Jesus said His followers would be persecuted for what they believe in . 2 Timothy 3:12
YOU have YOUR god...
OTHERS have THEIR god...
Are You saying that people who are Buddhists are going to Hell because they do Not believe in the same god as You??!!
What a closed-minded Individual!!Â
@Jamesbwall2Â
some people got a lot to learn and some never had any teaching, and yes Hell is real and its gates are getting broader each day from people who think they got the answer.. time will tell the truth
@Ben JensenExcept it isn't, as the Bible never actually mentions Hell (bother to study it; Sheol is where the souls wait for judgement day, and the Lake of Fire is simply a place of oblivion).
So basically, you and other christians here are nothing but extremely stupid sociopaths who don't even follow your own religion.
@Jamesbwall2 - Calling someone else "closed-minded", doesn't it make YOU closed-minded toward THOSE people ?  And the short answer to your question is YES, anyone not believing in God and Jesus Christ as the ONLY Way, unfortunately has to be punished ... in hell. (see comment above)
@Leo MÂ LOL...Speaking of close-minded, Thanks for proving MY point!!
And since I'm going to hell anyway (At least, ACCORDING TO YOU), I guess I'll see You there.-
@Leo M
ACTUALLY, the name of YOUR "Christian" god is NOT "I Am"!!!...And IF You read the Bible like You claim You do, You would know that!!
The name of the "Christian" god is mentioned in the OLD Testament...
ONLY Once; But it IS mentioned!!
Since You seem to refer to the Bible so much, it would be best if You remembered some of the stuff You read.-
OR...Have You ACTUALLY read it, or are You just riding the Band-Wagon with the Others who "claim" they are Prophets sent by "God" to destroy AND KILL ALL Non-Believers??!!
@brendan @Ben Jensen @Leo M @Jamesbwall2Â
Long Live Bastet!!!
@Ben Jensen @Leo M @Jamesbwall2 My Goddess says differently.  She told me you're the biggest hypocrite.  And of course, MY invisible friend is always right!
@Leo MÂ @Jamesbwall2Â
There is only one GOD his name is Jesus and is the one and only way to heaven and is the only one to forgive you of your sins. take this any way you want to but time will show you the truth. if we the people can't show you the way and you continally deny him you are in for a sad experience forever . the bible said there would be those that deceive the people and many have fallen into this group, I pray GOD will show them the truth before it's to late as Hell's gates are getting broader each day as the bible says
@ChuckGGÂ NO where in the bible does it say:Â Â "Hate people who are different than You"!!!
NO WHERE!!
And God said, "Judge ye not let Ye be judged.", which translated means: You keep protesting that You Hate Homosexuals, You are ACTUALLY judging other people and for that, You will NOT get into Heaven!!
And MY suggestion is: IF You're going to have a debate...about ANYTHING, Make sure You study the subject frst...so that You don't "Sound" like a hair-brained Fanatic!!
@ChuckGGÂ Okay, since You asked Politely.=
I just find it Ironic that They CLAIM to be LOVING Christians and read AND FOLLOW the teachings of the Bible; but yet, instead of taking the teachings of Jesus As A Guide, They CLAIM it to be "LAW"..And don't even Dare point out ONE inconsistency, much-less several, They will become befuddled, have no idea what You are saying AND Not only start "name-calling"; but also say things like "You're going to Rot in Hell" AND starts exclaiming "Jesus Hates Fags"!!...I've asked MANY "Christians" to point out the passage in the Bible where it says Either Jesus, OR God, says "I hate homosexuals" and they can not.-
And Yes, there is a passage in the bible that says" man shall not lie down with man"; BUT...BUT...NO Where does it say to "HATE" the ones who do!!
As a matter of fact, the bible, ALL of the bible, teaches love ...LOVE...for Your fellow man!!...NOT HATE!!
NO Where in the bible does it say that
@Jamesbwall2 @Leo M James - save your breath. Trying to discuss logic with the bible thumping crowd is like trying to teach a pig to dance - it wastes your time and annoys the pig. They don't "get it" and they are never going to "get it," so go ahead if you want, but I think it is a waste of time. Â
The whole gay marriage issue will be resolved in time through attrition. The older crowd who is mostly against same-sex marriage (SSM) is dying off and more of the younger crowd who approves of SSM in the 70%% range is entering the voting pool with each election cycle. I'm from Maine and I watched the numbers flip since 2009. With the exception of RI, all of New England and New York all have legal, civil, SSM laws on the books. We continue to have victories and I am confident in time that SSM will become the law of the land.
The religious crowd, or perhaps some of it, will never accept SSM. And, really, that is fine. They do not "get it" that this is all about civil marriage and has nothing to do with their church which can continue to discriminate to its heart's content, and continue to become more irrelevant with each passing year (check the attendance and age group at any Catholic church to catch my drift).
And, again, forget about logic. I have even pointed out that a straight couple, but both atheists, can be legally married by a Justice of the Peace. No religion or God involved, yet that marriage is recognized by all other States, the Federal government, and all other countries. If their church doesn't recognize it, well (yawn!) who cares? I don't belong to their church and care as much about what they say as I care about some Islamic Imam complaining about a woman's uncovered bare arms. It fails to hit my radar.
You see, they really, really believe all this religious stuff to the exclusion of all other religions. They really believe that 2/3rd of the world is going to burn in hell because they don't pray to Jesus. As long as they believe all that, you might as well save your energies for something that matters, like pushing for civil rights just as we all did in the 1960's for the African-American community. I see very little difference in the battles. That is time better spent.
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@Jamesbwall2 @Leo M - as a matter of fact, she was. And even if she was not, we Christians do not live by the Old Testament. We are under a NEW covenant, new rules. There is not a single sin that God won't or can't forgive. All we have to do is repent and trust in His salvation.
Refuses to reveal His own name ? You think His name is Joe or Frank or Albert or something ? His name is "I AM" . If you do some research, you will understand the full, deep meaning of it and how sacred it is.
The Bible is the inspired Word of God. The men writing it, lived 4 thousand years apart, in different regions of the world, with different backgrounds, different professions, different languages and dialects yet there is not a single contradiction or fallacy in the Bible. All the prophesies came true, all the historical events are supported by historians, (christian and NON-christian, alike), and you can trust it 100%% to tell you the Plan of Salvation from Hell to eternity in Heaven.
Either way, if you believe it or not, doesn't change the fact that something is real and exists. You and I can't both be right. You better make sure you're 100%% sure in what you believe cause if you're wrong...
@Leo MÂ AAaaaahhh...But It's NOT "His" word...The bible was written by mortal man; NOT by an Omnipotent being who refuses to reveal his own name!!
I also don't believe in ANY god who is abstinent!!
BTW: Speaking of going by what the bible says:
Was Your wife a virgin when You married her?!
If not, then YOUR God says that You MUST kill her!
"No man shall lay with an unclean woman"
@Jamesbwall2 @Leo M - I said "PAID" for my sins, never said "made me perfect and holy". Just like someone who pays for a criminal's crime, and takes the punishment upon himself.  The law is justified and upheld, the punishment served, but the lawbreaker (read SINNER) goes free. Â
Jesus paid this fine with His own death. He was sinless, (He had to be - to be a perfect sacrifice) and His death was the payment of MY crimes. The difference between your sins and mine is that I *HATE* it when I sin against my God. I stumble and fall, but don't LIVE in sin.
So you think there's more than one way to get to heaven ? Or you just don't believe in after-life ?!
@Leo MÂ @Jamesbwall2Â okay...
Keep believing that...
IF...Someone paid for YOUR sins, then WHY are YOU still sinning?!
@Jamesbwall2 @Leo M -- You are correct in that, you ARE going to hell if you don't repent and trust Jesus. And no, not "according to ME", according to God's Word.
You are wrong that you won't see me there. I have Someone who paid for my sins (broken laws), His name is Jesus. The Judge will let me go, He said so. :)   I'll take HIS word over YOURS any day !
All I can say, is it will be decided by the courts and not us.
I always thought you can refuse service to anyone? it's your business!? RIGHT!??....I really think if you don't want to serve ANYONE!!!! you don't have to....IF NOT sue me?!
@Rob WilliamsÂ
You never heard the saying:Â Â "The customer is ALWAYS Right!!"
@Rob Williams - unfortunately we live in a society where if one doesn't wear shoes or a shirt (No shoes, no shirt, no service) is okay to refuse service, where a person's 1st amendment right to religious views can get sued over refusal to serve a customer. smh
 @Rob Williams Another single-digit poster, from out of state, sticking their nose where it doesn't belong (and doing so ignorantly); if you are from in-state, it's even worse as you should know about the OEA of 2008.
Of course he did.
wow, I just noticed this dude's defiled his body by piecing it. Â wonder if he's defiled it via tattoos as well? Â what a hypocritical I'm going to only believe these bits here out of my bible scum bag.
owns a bakery that preys upon gluttons profiting off one of the seven deadly sins....
nice guy for sure
 @hotrods arefun You are an IDIOT! You are a MORON! Don't believe in God nor do you know anything about the Bible, So shut your face and go back to your Sin filled life somewhere other than here.
@jrogersp @hotrods arefunÂ
Oh My!!
What Potty Language!
Do You kiss Your Momma with that mouth?!
 @jrogersp  @hotrods arefun Sorry, we're not going anywhere.  And you are the one whose sole talent is Ad Hom -- something most people learn is a fallacy in 3rd grade or so.
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Which languages did you learn to understand the Bible? Â Don't suppose you can read any of the ORIGINAL writings, could you?
I know that many businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone for anything.
 @496panda Those signs are illegal.  Businesses only have the right to refuse service to you for certain reasons like... you stink, you have no shoes, you're noisy, etc.     Businesses CANNOT refuse service to you based on your race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. (there's a specific Oregon law that prohibits discrimination.)
@Kay Eff @496pandaÂ
Actually, I believe it's a Federal Law...
I dine out a lot and I've not seen one of those "We Reserve The Right..." signs since probably the mid '80's.-
It's a form of Tolerance:
Accept People for What kind of person they are; NOT who they sleep with!!
IT IS A Federal Law!!!
 @Kay Eff  @496panda We can't help if Oregons law makers are Idiots! Business Owners deserve the right to do or not do Business with anyone they choose! Who are you or anyone else to say We have to serve those that disgust Us or go against our Religious Beliefs? You make their cake!
@jrogersp @Kay Eff @496panda That sounds exactly, and I do mean exactly, like the justification against serving blacks at a "whites only" lunch counters in the 1960's. Did you happen to study any history of that era? Do you realize there were separate bathrooms for blacks because the whites found the idea of using the same toilet as a black person "disgusting."
I have been around long enough to see history repeat itself. It was ugly and offensive when I was a small child and it hasn't changed an iota when today I hear the same justification used against another person based upon their sexual orientation.
Sorry, your "religious beliefs" take a back seat to "public accommodation." Whites used their "religious beliefs" to prevent black and white couples from marrying. It wasn't until 1967 when the Supreme Court in a 9 to 0 decision said that discrimination was illegal and unconstitutional. If you are open for business, you are there to serve ALL the public, not just the ones you think are acceptable. That's the law.
Relevant for you christiantards:
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@Carlos Miguel Albuquerque - so naive.... smh
@Leo M @Carlos Miguel AlbuquerqueBitch you're naive, go troll another forum
It's irritating how so many people are just plain ignorant on the whole issue.. Christians and gay rights advocates both..I Here's the truth..if you dare to read it.
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http://clashdaily.com/2013/02/frustrating-ignorance-from-christians-re-gay-marriage/
 @Rusty Shackleford The author of that article puts forth a ridiculous analogy. Nothing is "removed" by expanding the definition of marriage to include same-sex couples, any more than something was "removed" by expanding the definition of a voter to include women.
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Disingenuous double-speak does nothing to help your case.
 @Rusty Shackleford In addition, the Bible is not anti-homosexuality. Read this and learn:
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 @Rusty Shackleford Because complaining about intolerance = opressing people with misinterpretations of the Bible.
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Please, develop a functional neocortex and stop accusing others of being "equally as militant". It's like saying Marther Luther King was a radical for proposing black equality.
@Carlos Miguel Albuquerque @Rusty ShacklefordÂ
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. WAS a Radical!!...He did...and said...things that No One did and said before him!!
He Dared to take on the establishment AND change the so-called "Laws" at the time!!
The usage of the word, "Radical", is NOT always a bad thing!!
It just means a person is trying to make a change!!
Which is what Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. DID!!!...He Made A Change!!!Â
 @Carlos Miguel Albuquerque  @Rusty Shackleford Anyone that equates Race with Sexual Perversion is a complete Moron and should keep their Stupid opinion to themselves!
@brendan @jrogerspÂ
If You haven't noticed, "RACIAL" Discrimination IS Against The Law!!
Any, AND All, Discrimination I ILLEGAL here in the United States!!
@jrogersp @Carlos Miguel Albuquerque @Rusty ShacklefordÂ
Oh I just love all of this negative name-calling from so-called "Christians"...
Lovely, Lovely, just lovely!
I'm sure Big Daddy and The Spook are REALLY Proud of You right now!!!
@jrogersp @Carlos Miguel Albuquerque @Rusty ShacklefordÂ
We are waiting for YOU...to Take Your Own Advice.-
 @jrogersp You mean stupid as in making proper nouns out of said adjectives?
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Point to what Oregon or Federal law that makes it a perversion; you're using a religious term in a legal argument.
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Besides, I don't equate it with race, I equate it with religious choice and political choice, you know, other things protected under law?
Gay people you are wrong. What if all the pedophilers join together and want Churches to marry them with children should we The people bow to that foolishness .... no we will not. This is a moral issue not race.  African American, White, Asian, Hispanic these are races. Moral issues are pornography, pedophiles, adultery homosexuality which are all wrong and no one should have the right to do wrong and force others to accept it and join them in it. This is a separation between those who are on the Lord side and those that are not make a choice because God is about to make a difference between the two.  Psalm 2
1Why do the nations rage
and the peoples plot in vain?
2Â The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers take counsel together,
against the Lord and against his Anointed, saying,
3Â âLet us burst their bonds apart
and cast away their cords from us.â
4Â He who sit in the heavens laughs;
the Lord holds them in derision.
5Â Then he will speak to them in his wrath,
and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6Â âAs for me, I have set my King
on Zion, my holy hill.â
@L JacksonÂ
Oh Boy!!
@L Jackson Guess you'll be surprised when you die and find out that's it. This bible thing is nothing but a good fairy tale;you should read Real Mother Goose. It has more love and compassion.
@Calm1 -- "You'll be surprised when you die and find out that's it" ?  hmm.... I though you don't believe in life-after-death, therefore how can someone find out "THAT'S IT" ?   Go back to your 8th grade math class...
@Leo MÂ @Calm1Â
ACTUALLY, I DO believe in the After-Life!!...Just NOT the Christian version!
@Leo MÂ @Calm1Â
What does 8th grade math have to do with the so-called After-Life??!!
I have a whole box of straws here if You want to grasp more.-
calm 1 are you willing to bet your life on that? whats gonna happen to you when you stand before god and say im sorry i thought you were mother goose?
 @Payton Blake  @john IF Calm is wrong, Which it is, It will go to HELL. And since you are a Moron I will let you in on the secret, You that do not accept Christ as your Savior will all DIE and spend Eternity in Hell. It is a Fact, You have been warned and when it happens it will be your own fault!
 @john "are you willing to bet your life on that?" Really? So, you're suggesting that if Calm is wrong, he/she will die?  Well isn't that a lovely sentiment by you,...
@L Jackson
 @L Jackson For your own sake, I hope you are trolling.
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Same-sex marriage is between two consenting adults. Pedophilia is nonconsesual.
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Morality is determined by not causing suffering. You are the immoral one because you desire to spread hatred and misery, you subhuman maggot.
@Carlos Miguel Albuquerque @L Jackson -- "SUFFERING" is subjective.  Now what ?!
@Leo M @Carlos Miguel Albuquerque @L Jackson It just means you're a sociopath.