How will Washington keep weed from crossing the border?

SEATTLE (AP) - So far, no one is suggesting checkpoints or fences to keep Washington state's legal pot within its borders.
But Gov. Jay Inslee insists there are ways to prevent the bulk smuggling of the state's newest cash crop into the black market, including digitally tracking weed to ensure that it goes from where it is grown to the stores where it is sold.
With sales set to begin later this year, he hopes to be a good neighbor and keep vanloads of premium, legal bud from cruising into Idaho, Oregon and other states that don't want people getting stoned for fun.
It's not just about generating goodwill with fellow governors. Inslee is trying to persuade U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder not to sue to block Washington from licensing pot growers, processors and sellers. Marijuana remains illegal under federal law.
"I am going to be personally committed to have a well regulated, well disciplined, well tracked, well inventory-controlled, well law-enforcement-coordinated approach," said Inslee, who is due to give Holder more details this week.
Keeping a lid on the weed is just one of the numerous challenges Washington state authorities and their counterparts in Colorado - where voters also legalized pot use - will face in the coming months.
The potential of regulatory schemes to keep pot from being diverted isn't clear. Colorado already has intensive rules aimed at keeping its medical marijuana market in line, including the digital tracking of cannabis, bar codes on every plant, surveillance video and manifests of all legal pot shipments.
But law enforcement officials say marijuana from Colorado's dispensaries often makes its way to the black market, and even the head of the Colorado agency charged with tracking the medical pot industry suggests no one should copy its measures.
The agency has been beset by money woes and had to cut many of its investigators. Even if the agency had all the money it wanted, the state's medical pot rules are "a model of regulatory overreach," too cumbersome and expensive to enforce, Laura Harris said in a statement.
Last fall, voters made Washington and Colorado the first states to pass laws legalizing the recreational use of marijuana and setting up systems of state-licensed growers, processors and retail stores where adults over 21 can walk in and buy up to an ounce of heavily taxed cannabis.
Both states are working to develop rules for the emerging pot industry.
The Obama administration could sue to block the legal markets from operating, on the grounds that actively regulating an illegal substance conflicts with federal drug law. The DOJ is reviewing the laws but has given no signals about its plans.
It has never sued states like Colorado that have regulated medical marijuana, even though it could under the same legal principles.
Part of the DOJ's political calculus in deciding whether to sue is likely to be how well the department believes the two states can keep the legal weed within their borders. During a meeting with Inslee last week, Holder asked a lot of questions about diversion, Inslee said.
Alison Holcomb, who led Washington's legal pot campaign, said it's important to respect states that haven't legalized weed by not flooding their black markets. The first step, she said, is for the state to figure out how much pot should be produced, and then grant licenses accordingly.
"Excess supply creates incentive to divert outside the state," she said.
Washington's Liquor Control Board is planning a comprehensive survey to estimate how much marijuana is consumed in the state.
Inslee has boasted about the effectiveness of the State Patrol's highway interdiction program in stopping drug trafficking. Traditional police work, combined with inventory controls, will be key to clamping down on diversion, he said.
Digital tracking of the weights of marijuana shipments between processors and retailers would help make sure there isn't "10- to 20-percent shrinkage that's going to the black market," he said.
But even if the state can prevent bulk pot from being diverted, there's nothing to keep customers from walking into multiple stores, or returning to the same store, to collect more than their 1-ounce limit. Some traffickers could recruit many people to buy weed for them.
Tom Gorman, head of the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug-Trafficking Area, said efforts to keep a lid on legal marijuana simply don't work.
Pot from Colorado's medical marijuana system - often described as the most closely regulated in the world - routinely makes its way into Kansas, Nebraska, Wyoming and points east, often from dispensaries that have sold out the back door, he said.
A brief law enforcement survey the organization conducted last summer turned up numerous cases in which suspects had made purchases at Colorado dispensaries before being busted in other states.
In the past two years, Colorado's medical pot regulators have levied 54 fines against licensed businesses, but have never revoked or suspended a license.
Matt Cook, the former director of Colorado's Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division, defended the "seed-to-store" regulations in the state.
Cook, who is applying for a job as a consultant to Washington's marijuana regulators, noted that at any time officials could check the digital records, pull the surveillance video or drop in for an inspection - and the fear of getting busted keeps people in line.
Bob Hoban, whose law firm represents nearly 100 medical marijuana businesses in Colorado, agreed, and noted another incentive for dispensaries to behave.
"It's a cutthroat business," he said. "If somebody sees something unusual, they're going to provide a tip. ... There's just about as good of a safeguard as you can have for diversion in the state of Colorado, and a lot of that is Big Brother watching you."
Man, the unintended consequences and the known consequences of making MJ legal is going to be fun to watch.
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Maybe they should speak with the govenment of mexico and find out why their cannabis can be found throught out the united states.
Part of the DOJ's political calculus in deciding whether to sue is likely to be how well the department believes the two states can keep the legal weed within their borders. During a meeting with Inslee last week, Holder asked a lot of questions about diversion, Inslee said.
"Who cares about the feds."
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The Feds do and legal (under state laws) pot operations are easy targets. Few guns, and because they have growing/selling permits, the Feds know exactly where to look. Totally safe raids that look good on their record.
'How will Washington keep weed from crossing the border?' They won't. And, except for maybe a token attempt, I doubt if they will even try. A non-issue.
 @theobserver Don't you mean a tokin' attempt?
Who cares about the feds. They have no business in this issue. It has nothing to do with the common defense or the general welfare of the people.
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Government, especially the federal government, needs to stay out of so many things and this is one or them.
 @RalphCramden A lot of people (myself included) feel that this is a general welfare question, and that the government at all levels has a right to be in the discussion and the resolution.
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My nephew and his wife and two boys were killed by a stoner (he still had a joint smoking in his ashtray) who crossed a center line at 50 mph on a county rode and hit them head on. So I laugh when I hear "It is a harmless weed."
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I have seen those high on marijuana also kill others while driving. It's the silent DUII no on e wants to talk about.
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That being said let the states deal with the issue. The feds coop so many issues that should be a state right. This is why we have such an out of control federal government and a massive national debt.
 @RalphCramden There you go again bringing the Constitution into the discussion Ralph.
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This isn't Washington's problem. If something is illegal in your jurisdiction, it is your problem to enforce that law, not the jurisdiction where the stuff came from.
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Nobody goes after North Carolina for providing cheap cigarettes, nor Oregon for selling non-sales taxed goods to out-of-staters. I can't see how this is any different.
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"Nobody goes after North Carolina for providing cheap cigarettes, nor Oregon for selling non-sales taxed goods to out-of-staters. I can't see how this is any different."
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California, Colorado and another state are vying to make an Internet sales tax and are pressuring people who sell to citizens of those states who are regular buyers to begin to collect their states' sales tax from those buyers.
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They have already fined, penalized and even jailed some folks to get them to pay the sales tax but selling with that as a profit is too lucrative within those states (I guess the tax is high) so they just eat the fines and move on.
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So if those states had their way, they would force Oregon to collect their taxes.
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The other states can do the ever popular "Weed Free Zone."
Yes, and surely the 150 metric tons of weed that are produced in Oregon every year will eventually be blamed on Washington producers.
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Washington residents should never have approved "legalization" without allowing residents to grow their own weed. The law as it stands isn't a law for residents it is a law to promote commercialization...by corporations...the corporations will see "home grown" weed as competition and the number of restrictive laws resulting from the corporate lobby will increase. The Washington law "legalizing" weed is just another type of prohibition.
They wont, and they cant, no resources for that.Â
If they "think" that Oregonians will cross "their" border for the weed, they are living on the moon.Â
It won't even matter. WA is making such a fuster-cluck of the whole "legalize weed" issue that no one will use the "legal" method for buying and selling anyhow. WA is already projecting the price for an oz to be about 150% of what it can be purchased for now on the black market. Hardly an incentive for buyers/sellers/producers. So, don't worry Oregon, the weed crossing the border will continue to be from illegal sources - no need to worry about legal weed coming to your state.
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Yes, this reminds me of the time that the residents of Washington were convinced that they would benefit if the Liquor Board was eliminated.
They can pass an initiative that allows only Costco to sell it. Costco will jack up the price and reduce the selection to the point that Washington residents will come over here to buy and drive back to smoke.
The only problem with your Costco plan is who need that much pot? I still have a monster jar of olives I bought there that I can't get rid of.
That jar wouldn't last as long in Washington, or so they'd suggest.
How does Washington keep fireworks from crossing the border, and, what's the difference except that one involves explosives and the other involves a plant?Which makes me wonder how many people are okay lighting off aerial and exploding fireworks with their kid but mortified at the idea of responsible adults smoking pot in their homes.
I didn't realize that Oregon had a shortage that necessitated imports.
 @JGalt When You Smoke Weed, You're Supporting a College Fund in Cottage Grove.
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So you're saying: "buy local, because your local pot peddler needs the money for college"?
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'How will Washington keep weed from crossing the border?'
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In all fairness, the question is a bit ambiguous. WA northern border is an international border, so vehicles and persons are subject to search. As such, there is a reasonable chance that some could be stopped at the border. Insofar as OR and ID, with the possible exception of the occasional traffic stop that leads to a reasonable suspicion, parole or probation vehicle search, they wont.Â
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That's the biggest reason I'm surprised that OR, ID (WA law) or one of the states bordering CO hasn't filed suit about the law because of the potential for border-hopping stoners. If anything, I suspect that this line of thinking is the achillies heel of the laws passed, and is the most likely means by which the Federal Government could seek to have the laws put on hold or overturned.Â
I think oregon and washington law enfrcement agencies need get together at a relaxed informal function to discuss this matter. I work in catering; my business can provide complimentary brownies for the event ; )
Hahahahahaha thats funny right there
Just because it is legal doesn't mean we will want their product, we got uber stuff in this state as well!
How will Washington keep weed from crossing the border? Easy, don't out price it. Otherwise what you'll have is Washingtonians coming to Oregon for weed.. and booze... and shopping...
@Lips We already do Lips. Washingtonians dont know crap about growing. Oregon has been number one for years.Â
 @MrAchilles Oh... there's growers of primo a'plenty in Warshington, as there are in all 50 states. The only true "legalization" that would actually work to curtail the black market is complete, unfettered grow it for yourself sort of set up. Any ridiculous thing like Inslee is trying to sell is just a sour grapes tantrum from law enforcement and an attempt to corporatize profits out of the thousands of small operations that are currently servicing the market. How can even the most rank fool actually believe people will pay 50% MORE for RJ Reynolds pot? It's ridiculous. I've been smoking it for fifty years and I have NO intention of doing so.Â
 @porsadgai  @MrAchilles You got that right. The worst part is knowing Washington will likely screw this up. With their model, I see the black market thriving. Sure, you'll get a few novice patrons at these shops, but real sales will happen outside of the department of revenue. Only because they are jacking the price so high. 350.00 legal? 175.00 from your current source? No brainer. So weed ''crimes'' will increase and ''black market'' sales will increase. Project failure. Still hoping Oregon does it right.
 @Lips Hey!  Let's open up a floating fireworks, alcohol, marijuana and gun store on Government Island. Like they say, "ATF" ought to be a convience store.
 @Playanekes Came close to it in the late 80's. Had my Owens cabin cruiser, made the rounds up and down the Islands. Cigs. Ice. Whatnots. River patrol said, ''No, No.'' lol.
We Oregonians appreciate Washington's efforts to keep weed out of our state but isn't it really Oregon's issue to keep the weed out? Maybe we can have the toll collectors on the new I-5 bridge search cars for the weed?
Because then they are getting into the territory of civil rights,Even the cops have to have a good cause or a drivers permission to search their car and the last time i checked toll collectors are just that,they are not cops.
Calm down I was being sarcastic.
Gosh how have they been stopping? I mean, you cant get the Canada weed down here. they check every car for it.. right? Oh wait they dont.
 @iamright555 It turns out that if you show up and say you're going to Pink Floyd, driving an '80s van with an American flag in the back window, they're going to disassemble you at the border. If, on the other hand, your college mate's wife carries her weed in a box of feminine hygiene products and says she's going to the zoo and then camping at Sasquatch Park, they'll wave her right on through.
They rifled through my jeep with a beagle. I'm allergic to dogs, but, whatever. Guns are even easier to smuggle. As soon as we got to downtown BC somebody offered to sell us weed.
Just like how California checks for produce at the border, duhh.Â
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They can't. Just like Wyoming can't keep Colorado's dope & associated problems out of their state.
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Inslee's already in bed with the Feds.
He recently dashed to Washington, DC to get
his instructions from Eric Holder.
Think for yourself Inslee.
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I'm sorry, but isn't this Oregon's problem? Â I mean Mexico gives out comic book illustrations to their citizens on how to enter the USÂ illegally. Â So long as we don't do the same for weed to OR, I think we'll be passing the test... Â Perhaps you all should quit wasting your resources on things like weed and spend more time looking for violent criminals.
,,,,,,"weed from crossing the border"......?????
They won't !
How will Washington keep weed from crossing the border?
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About the same way (with as much success) as they collect sales tax from Washingtonians who shop in Oregon.
Or oregon buyers comming to Washington sporting their little ID's that say from oregon so they don't have to pay taxes. But thats right or fair?
Actually any business in Washington can refuse your Oregon ID. I have ran into this time and time again, they say "oh we dont do that here".. I rather stay in Oregon to begin with, better products with no taxes and better marijuana, for those that smoke, I dont, but know many do and none of them go to Washington to get supplies.