How will legal marijuana be treated in the workplace?
VANCOUVER, Wash. – Smoking some pot inside your home in Washington may now be legal, but that doesn’t necessarily mean smoking a joint or two won’t affect your job.
With the landmark change in Washington’s law, we wanted to know how it will affect people at work.
Consider the fact that many employers conduct random drug tests on employees. Public transit agency C-Tran, for example, tests drivers to make sure they’re not using drugs while driving passengers.
The sticky wicket with marijuana is that the chemical THC can stay in your system for up to 30 days after you smoke pot. So what if you decide to legally smoke on the weekend then are subjected to a drug test weeks later at work? Are employees protected simply by the fact that recreational pot use is legal?
We presented that scenario to C-Tran and the agency isn’t offering any wiggle room for its drivers or the rest of its staff.
“We are not making any changes to our drug or alcohol policy in that marijuana, whether it’s used off the job or on the job, is still a prohibited drug,” said C-Tran spokesman Scott Patterson. “That’s the message we’ve communicated to our employees and it’s the policy going forward.”
C-Tran receives federal funding so it must follow federal law, which still considers marijuana to be illegal.
Employment attorney Gregory Ferguson recommends that all employers figure out their drug policy and clearly communicate it with employees.
“The law has changed and recreationally you can go out and have fun, but I think it really hasn’t changed how the issue is going to be handled in the workplace at all,” Ferguson said.
He does anticipate, however, that there will be workers who test the boundaries of the new law with their bosses.
He points out a Washington Supreme Court ruling last year that backed an employer who fired a woman after she disclosed that she was a medical marijuana user.
The court ruled that Washington’s medical marijuana law doesn’t offer employment protection. The way Ferguson reads it neither does the recreational marijuana law.
Police departments are especially worried. Officers take oaths to protect all laws, state and federal. In this case, pot is still prohibited under federal law.
The Seattle police department is reviewing its policies on drug use by officers or prospective officers, spokesman Sgt. Sean Whitcomb said, adding that it's unlikely off-duty officers will be allowed to use pot. The department might ease its requirement that applicants not have used marijuana in the previous three years.
The Denver police department is reviewing Colorado's marijuana law, which goes into effect in January. The department has no immediate plans to change employment practices, spokesman John White said.
"Marijuana is still illegal at the federal level, so officers would not under any scenario be allowed to use marijuana," White said. White wasn't sure about pre-employment marijuana use.
One of Washington's biggest private employers, The Boeing Co., generally requires drug tests before employment, upon reasonable suspicion or after accidents. The Washington measure won't change any of that, said company spokeswoman Cathy Rudolph. "The safety and integrity of our operations, products and services is paramount," she said in an email.
For companies like Boeing without random or regular drug testing, it's not entirely clear how such policies can be enforced.
Some lawyers are encouraging companies to take stock of their drug policies. "This is a good time for employers to revisit their policies and make sure they're still consistent with what they want to do, and to talk with their employees about what the policies are," said Mark Berry, an employment lawyer.
Other employers, especially those with federal contracts, are concerned what the new laws mean for them. One group of Colorado businesses has pleaded for clarity in a letter to the White House, which hasn't said if it would sue to block the law.
"The uncertainly created will cause havoc for our members and hamper their efforts to maintain drug-free worksites," wrote Mark Latimer, head of the Rocky Mountain chapter of Associated Builders and Contractors.
So if marijuana be came medical with a prescription, why are people not being fire for using pain pills and muscle relaxers that have heroine/cocaine and other illegal drugs in them
The bottom line with this law is, like I said initially, it is a BIG waste of taxpayer time and resources. Â It will still be illegal to smoke MJ in public, to be high in public, to smoke it at work, etc. etc. and IF you do smoke on your off time, you will most likely be fired from your job for doing so because most of the employers will start conducting random drug testing now, or they will potentially be subject to other legal actions if they are negligent in doing so and injury or whatnot results from one of their products and someone is found to be positive on a drug test subsequently.....etc...more stupidity.Â
I have a question about the new marijuana law in WA. Can Washington state employees, (not bus drivers or police officers) smoke it without recourse? What about the Washington state legislators who are fighting to create the law itself? If they aren't willing to go against the Federal law, why would they subject the citizens to do so?
The low information voters in Washington opened a big 'ol can of worms. I'm guessing things will get reversed next time because of all the unintended consequences.
I think that as long as you aren't under the influence while working, it shouldn't be an issue. Â But since there is no way to tell when you last used, it will always be an issue.
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At least until they discover some type of test that can pinpoint the last time you used.
 @Ixyavi They could tell if you're high at work by locking you in a room with a bag of Oreo's and see how long it takes before you rip the bag open and start scarfing them down.
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As a business owner, I don't mind my employees smoking marijuana as long as it's after hours, out of the work place. Marijuana is safer than Alcohol, so there's no reason to treat it any differently.
Like most intelligent Medical Users you have to create your own job because of Testing, Workers Comp and OSHA. I see a large growth spurt of small industries popping up across the North West of people who have to avoid drug testing.
So if you smoke it (off the clock) then get hurt at work, you'll fail the drug test and lose your job and be at fault for your injury. Since it stays in your system that long, there is no way to know when you used it. No company is going to take on that liability.Â
@concerned thinker I know for certain that I won't lose my job.My only question is about workman's comp insurance.Do they require all companies to perform drug tests when a on the job injury occurs? I suppose I could use my medical insurance but it wouldn't cover the time off from work.That being said,I'm able to regulate myself.I know from experience that it is difficult to perform my job under the influence of marijuana not to mention it makes me uncomfortable.I prefer to use it when I'm not at work so I can actually enjoy it.
 @noneofyourbizzness  To answer your question, all companies will perform a drug test before they grant you workman's comp. Â
Starbucks is that leanient?
'How will legal marijuana be treated in the workplace?'
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Trick question. The drug is still illegal by DEA/DOJ standards. As such, employers who still drug test can (and undoubtedly will) still use positive tests for THC as grounds for termination. This practice would likely then be upheld in the courts after the inevitable legal challenges.Â
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Furthermore, many different jobs that require accreditation/certification by a federal organization (truck drivers, maritime operators/crewpersons, etc...) can (and will) continue to have zero tolerance for any (federally deemed) illegal drugs.Â
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In other words, in direct response to the headline question, it will be treated same as it has always been.Â
This will play out in the courts. Most companies will not alter their policies as a zero tolerance policy minimizes their liability. It will be interesting to see what happens when this hits the federal level as that will have the most reaching impact, either through legislation or court decisions. Although the use has been approved for recreational use, businesses are still entitled to enforce their own policies within the laws. From a litigation stand point, this will get very expensive and complex before it shakes out. For every new law, whether you are for it or against it, there are unforeseen consequences.
 @DeaconBugg I don't think taking it to the federal level will help, as they still consider it illegal.Â
 @concerned thinker Fair point and thank you for your reply. However, what I was trying to say is that if the federal government decides to change the laws OR if the federal courts uphold the state's laws then it will have a significant impact. However, for either of that to happen there will be several cases heard that will be very expensive to both individuals and corporations.
 @73challenger503  @DeaconBugg  @concerned thinker I agree with you. Companies will, and should, enforce the drug policy that protects their business.
 @DeaconBugg  @concerned thinker Legal or not, companies will still drug test and terminate anyone who fails it. They will refuse to be liable for harm to people and property caused by someone with THC in their blood. otherwise companies would not be able to insure their businesses.
The company I work for did "random" UA's this week and 4 or 5 people were terminated pending the outcome of what substance they failed for. I'm an ex pot smoker and don't think it should come down to this. If the person isn't under the influence AT work...leave them alone!
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@Pullerdawg My daughter just got terminated this morning for failing the test in Wa state. Anybody know a lawyer who would take this on pro bono? She worked for a small business with know federal funding. Also, why is it that government, both federal and state, employees and our above the law politicians are not drug tasted? School teachers are not tested either. This sounds totally like discrimination.
 @LauraMae  @Pullerdawg Sorry to hear that. From the employers standpoint and the laws, the employer has every right to maintain their company policy. if company policy states you can not smoke pot, even on your day off, then that stands as law. My employer is the same way even though it's "legal", they have the right to test for drugs and fire those that offend their policy. I would rather know that someone went out and got high the night before than went out and got stinking drunk and came to work with a hangover and is completely useless at doing their job. At least the person who got high the night before will be more useful at their job after a couple cups of coffee and a shot of sugar!
@Pullerdawg Thanks for the reply. The newly updated employee handbook only spoke of what you can't do while at work or on the premises and it came out after the law passed in January. If they had stated Zero-tolerance, which it didn't, she would have been warned. Until they can come up with a test that determines use within a couple hours like Alcohol, how can they fire her legally? They also want their company manual back. She's copying it before she returns it.
I have a question for KATU. How will your sister affiliate KOMO, in Seattle, redefine their MJ policy? What's Fishers position.
ZERO TOLERANCE
Automatic termination without recourse at my current employer and at my previous one! One Strike and you are gone!!!
 @Mack Rhoades Once the prohibition of cannabis has been repealed on the Federal level, there will be a whole *host* of laws turned into dust.  I seriously doubt that the thin skin that is considered "Civilization" will be damaged in any way.
National insurers won't be changing anything, so any company relying on insurance to cover injuries and liabilities will have to continue complying with the terms of their policies.
This story is nothing but propaganda. Â Drinking or smoking on the weekends does not equate to being under the influence at work. Â It may affect work performance, but by how much? Â Excessive drinking is very damaging and this should be monitored just as much as marijuana. Â Do you think boeing or the police monitor whether their employees drink (heavily) on the weekends? Â
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What about legal scripts, these can mess you up! Â I have a co-worker who has a brain disorder and takes some medications that mess him him! Â He cannot work when he is drugged, but he has to be at work! Â He simply browses the internet all day!
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Doing these activities on the job is a separate story; people who operate machinery or assist the public should not participitate in either activity on the job.  What about computer nerds?  What about servers and bartenders?
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Another thing worth mentioning is that when you do cocaine, heroin, LSD, meth, mushrooms, ecstacy, etc; these all stay in your system for days, while THC stays in the body for weeks or months! Â The drug tests are only to catch people who smoke pot, which typically does not happen at work. Â What a frickin' joke!
And guess what folks, there are ways to completely detox and be ready for a drug test within days or hours of being intoxicated! Â People who use drugs, who are smart, get away with it and know how to not get caught. Â Drug testing is simply an ineffective policy.
@portlandborn83 You must be an attorney. Should anyone take your "philidelphia lawyer" advice?
The employers have the right to make policies and they also have the right to enforce them. As long as their policies are legal. If a company has contracts with the government, and the Feds say it is illegal, then the employer has a choice. Follow the rules, or do not have a contract,
Nothing is gonna change and thats a big Nothing.People with jobs aren't gonna take up pot smoking now nor are Companys gonna change or anything because its legal to smoke at home and have under an ounce.This is not gonna be an increase of pot smoking  because it legal to smoke it now.I smoke for 20 yr  and haven't had any in 20 yrs.The reason I stopped is I grew up and went on to have family.What America gonna see now in Washington is with gay marriage and pot legal for adults is Its just gonna make Washington a better to live.The reason the feds aren't doing anything is those liberals in Washington State re-elected Obama in spite of his record on jobs and failed 4 yrs of getting U.S.A back on its feet.The people in Detroit  are saying the same thing as we re-elected you and now its time to bails us out.
Why is this even a question? If you are under the influence at the workplace, it is your employer's right to take 'corrective action', which may be anywhere from sending you home, referring you for help with your obviously uncontrollable addiction or you may even be fired. As the saying goes, "If you have to ask, you'll never know."
 @JGalt Under the influence at work? For a substance that stays in your system for up to 30 days? Pray tell how does smoking weed on Saturday night equate to being stoned during a random you UA on Wednesday morning? That is the problem. It doesn't measure whether you're under the influence.
if cigarettes are illegal then pot will be at work too.
my only question is how many pot breaks can I get in one day?
Wonder how its handled in the workplace in Amsterdam ?
And now the next hourly story about legalized pot in WA....I mean really, I expect employers to treat it like booze (although I've been to known to work much better medicated).
 @deejm2112 The next made-up-by-rampant-paranoia!  Rational voices rarely make the news!
This is the area that most interests me. How will companies be able to forbid the use of a legal substance? I get the part about not coming to work stoned, but what about after work and weekends? This has been a big part of the fight. Most people were already comfortable with the laws position, it being a minor citation. But, the ''are you stoned or is it just lingering in your system'', needs to be resolved or little has been accomplished. It will reinforce the stereotype that weed users are unemployed or underemployed. When in fact many professionals use.
 @Lips Let's see, companies are able to forbid you working while drunk and it's legal to drink. There are companies that are not hiring cigarette smokers and tobacco is legal. So yeah, it really isn't that hard to forbid legal substances.
 @Thebigboot Why do people always want to make the comparison of drinking at work. No one is promoting smoking weed at work. And you might be surprised if you do some research on the rights of tobacco users in relation to the workplace. They do have rights and they can smoke on their own time. That's why companies that are offering smoking cessation programs because they want to stop smoking AT THE WORKPLACE are advised to get legal assistance. What can be effected is employer provided health insurance. And even that is being challenged. 29 states now have protection for employees from discriminating against the legal use of tobacco products. As long as weed remains illegal on the federal level, there will be problems. Once enough states sue for their rights, things will change. Trying to figure out if you're pleased with the thought of employers having so much control over the personal freedoms of America's workforce, ambivalent or opposed.
@Lips @Thebigboot They draw the similarities because of the current testing methods. When you drink the chemicals don't stay in your system very long. When you smoke they stay in for a very long time. Due to those limitations any comparisions get scewed. But the bottom line still comes down to untill it is federally acceptable and ratified by several court cases your best course of action is to ask first and get it in writing before lighting up. Otherwise your emplorer can fall back on any other case out there to support them.
 @Lips I am so happy to be officially out of the traditional "work-force"!
Want a cribbage board? {;-)
 @Gravity Works! Haha... is that what you're doing now, making cribbage boards? Fun. I haven't played in years, but there was a time when I did.
 @Gravity Works! That's great, GW. Good for you.
 @Lips It's a hobby turned into functional art.  I'm not a fanatic player, but woodworking is great therapy!
 @Lips It's pretty simple, my company excludes pot from drug testing, corporate is in CA. The gray area, as the story points out is federal employees or companies that rely on federal funding, which will no doubt continue as if pot is illegal.
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I'm really tired of the double standard though, the people have spoken, the feds needs to get with the times.
 @deejm2112 My employer is not a zero tolerance employer and never has been. Yet still, I too am tired of the double standard. Hopefully as employers are redefining the rules, they'll consider what it would be like to be told tomorrow that any alcohol byproducts found in their system will be grounds for termination. That means no after work drink. No weekend cocktail parties... That goes for the feds.
 @CTWU  @deejm2112 Because you don't drink? Would be a wonderful life if we could have the world exactly how we want it. If everyone was the way we think they should be.... Wait! That would totally suck. I like all of our diverse personalities. I don't want to live in a world of clones.
 @Lips  @deejm2112 "That means no after work drink. No weekend cocktail parties... "
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Lol! I was thinking that would be fine by me!
Employer's will need to provide area's for workers to medicate during breaks.