Pastor says he'll consider moving sex offender service away from school
HILLSBORO, Ore. – A local pastor stuck up for the sex offenders and ex-convicts Tuesday who attend a special service at his church next to an elementary school.
But James Gleason, lead pastor at Sonrise Church, said he'd consider moving the service after parents of children at the school complained and KATU aired a story about the controversy last week.
Every Sunday evening 120 people, mostly ex-cons, meet at the church, which is right next to Quatama Elementary School. Some of the felons are sex offenders. But Gleason said he won't tell neighbors exactly who these people are and what crimes they committed.
"I would never put a picture of John Smith up and say here's his sexual crime, and he attends this Light My Way service," he said.
That doesn't set well with Portland victims' rights attorney Tara Lawrence.
"Child molesters deserve no special protections," she said.
Lawrence has handled literally hundreds of sex offender cases both as an attorney and as a prosecutor. And while she believes the church should ethically tell neighbors exactly who is attending Sonrise's Light My Way service, she knows the law is not on her side.
"(It's) not required by the statute. It's really pretty discretionary and permissive with regard to the state parole board – even if you're a predatory sex offender," she said.
That means it's up to the parole board and local probation and parole officers to determine who is fit to attend the services and whether that person should be labeled as a predator.
But is that notification practical if the end goal is to rehabilitate offenders?
"Re-integrating people who have offended back into the community is always a challenge," said Maia Christopher, a sexual abuse treatment expert.
Christopher, an 18-year veteran in the treatment and research of sex offenders, said services like those provided by Sonrise are needed for full rehabilitation. She said it’s a delicate balance between those rehab needs and the public’s safety.
"We all have a responsibility to be concerned about the risk of sexual abuse, and the prevention of sexual abuse will take a community response," she said.
As for moving the meeting to another location: "If we had another place that was viable, that would be awesome. That would be wonderful," Gleason said.
"We're not saying we have to have it here. We're not trying to make a statement that we have to have it here. We are saying that we need to have this."
Sonrise just opened a new church in Forest Grove behind a Safeway store. Gleason said that is probably too far away for work-release prisoners from Hillsboro to attend.
But he said if someone comes up with a large enough location close to downtown Hillsboro, he will consider moving the service there.
Well that's America for ya, no Superman able to protect everyone (and everyone's point of view) and no Savior to cast all the demons out--squable on and keep working,,,, thoughtfully and respectfully, please? Freedom ain't Free!
There's a price to pay for having Lambs walk with Lions -- Freedom
Stay on the farm fenced in and survive maybe,
or wonder the countryside hoping to remain free, free to create, free to work, free to educate, free to play!
All of us will pay one way or another - I choose paying to be free.
Now for a little reality this would be a great place for extra patrols, shucks, $15million(money leaving town) for new ball park would pay alot of cops salaries instead, you could have a fulltime cop 24/7 nearby this place,, or patroling those at risk, you could even offer rdes from whereever these folks are coming from paid escorts $15 million would've built a church in timbuktu---cheez alot to argue there, I mean figure it out folks!
Who will take responsibility IF one of the sex offenders harms someone in the neighborhood??? Â Son Rise and their supporters appear to be certain that these criminals are harmless. Â These guys may have served their time in prison but the victims have to live with the scars for the rest of their lives. This service must be moved away from the residential areas.
 @WolfEyes There are facts people fail to consider before freaking out about your local neighorhood registered sex offender and that is 95% of new crimes are committed by people without a recorded history of sexual violations (according to a department of justice resent report). So, you are more likely to have your child violated by uncle Bob than a registered citizen that has been through the grinder of probation, therapy and time served. If you take a million registrants and the equal amount from the general population at random the registrant list would have least amount of violations. 95% are violation from the general public not from the sex offenders.
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So, here we are 10 days after the original post and there is 555 comments. Some defending, some condemning, some inteligent, some downright impossible to understand.
To be plain and simple: I don't want ANYTHING in ANY neighborhood with children that has any potential of harming them. In this case I see lots of statistics on the blog, one of which reads""Percent of sex offenders that will commit another sex crime after being released from jail 5.3 %". So, excuse me if my coffee has not kicked in yet, but 5.3% of 120 = 6.36. That means you are telling me that 7 people out of your "congregation" has the potential of re-committing a sex crime. That is too much of a risk. GET OUT!
 @iamtroglodite Lets break down that 5.3%. What constitutes a re-offense? Well, a registrant doesn't register on time or while he is on vacation constitutes a re-offense. He shaves his beard off that modifies from his registration picture is a violation, he drives his mother's car he violate his registration. He goes to the park with his child well at least in Orange County Ca. he violates his registration. Now that 5.3% doesn't looks so bad. If the argument is, "well if it just saves one child it's worth it." That's not valid because we should then disallow children to ride on bikes, in car or on airplanes because after all they have been known to crash right? I mean if it saves just one child right? Better idea is to keep an eye on your family members and friends. There lies the real dangers! TRUTH
I am appalled. Appalled at the judgment that others have placed on parents that are concerned for their children and their community as a whole. Appalled that others throughout this commentary have demonized citizens who want the safest neighborhoods free from risks such as a collective group of work-release prisoners and others that cannot attend normally scheduled faith based services due to their choices in life.Â
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I am a person of faith. That faith does not blind me to the fatalities and flaws of man. Man can make choices unto others that cannot be undone on this earth. That is what these parents and community members do not want to happen in their communities. We should applaud not only the community and courageous spokespersons that shed light on this operation, but also KATU and their investigative team, for informing others of what was occuring and possibly preventing harm to those that matter most - our future, our children.
 @Concerned_Citizen I also am a Man of Faith. Your situation is truly appalling to any true Believer in Christ. For a Christian Church to draw such a line in the sand, against a community, is not Godly and to bring such disrespect to the "Body of Christ", is deplorable. Our Church has put your community as well as their children's safety, on our prayer list. God Bless.
James Farley - I love the passion but question all your hateful rhetoric without facts. Your posts are simply emotional responses to the blind faith you put in "journalism"....your reaction is a perfect example of how lazy America has become on seeking out the truth and facts. (note: notice I said your REACTION not YOU.....as I do not know YOU as a person).
 @G_L_11 I'd have to disagree with your comment. I know James Farley personally, and if there's anyone out there who's worked their butt off to obtain facts firsthand, and advocated directly on behalf of the children and families in the community, it is Mr. Farley. 100% of the people who've given their time, energy, and emotion to this cause really do have other things to do with their time. They're busy people with families and jobs themselves. They get NOTHING for investing in this effort to protect children in a situation where the odds are increased---this is not paranoia or some kind of hysteria or witch hunt, as has been suggested---but to be able to look themselves in the mirror and know that they have tried to do the right thing on behalf of those most vulnerable in this unfortunate, unwise situation. I personally find it incredibly disappointing.
Had you been following the posts on both this and the earlier KATU article, it would have been evident that these news stories simply gave voice to a problem that had been festering for years and that local parents had been trying to resolve peacefully without success.Â
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Why have the efforts of three different groups of parents in as many years been unsuccessful? It is because the leaders at Sonrise keep playing smoke and mirrors with the truth.Â
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For example, in the first KATU piece, a Sonrise pastor continued Sonrise's mantra about never moving its service for the 120 convicts, including sex offenders whom Sonrise targets, because the church was there first. "But a pastor said he won't move the services. The church was there first." http://www.katu.com/news/investigators/Parents-battle-church-over-sex-offender-meetings-near-school-179596141.html.
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Now, after the adverse press release and community uproar, all of the sudden, a Sonrise pastor quickly back pedaled from the church's earlier staunch response that it had been giving to parents these past years. "As for moving the meeting to another location: 'If we had another place that was viable, that would be awesome. That would be wonderful,' Gleason said. 'We're not saying we have to have it here. We're not trying to make a statement that we have to have it here.'" See above.
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For the record, to be clear, in numerous conversations with concerned parents the preceding three years, Gleason had NEVER made these statements. He had been adamant in his position that the church was here first, so if parents had problems with the church targeting and bringing into the neighbors 120 convicts, including sex offenders, robbers, murders, and who knows what other types of criminals, the parents should move or have the two nearby elementary schools moved.Â
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Gleason's lack of openness and candor belies his oft-repeated invitation to talk with anyone who has any concerns about his services for 120 convicted sex offenders and others.  It's like talking to your knee. Â
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One last thing, let's not confuse calling a horse a horse with being hateful or emotional.  It is already clear that two of Sonrise's pastors lack candor.  Pastor Mettee, who is in charge of the service for 120 the convicted sex offenders and other criminals already has a record for lying. http://portlandtribune.com/fgnt/36-news/22041-a-new-sonrise-in-town?tmpl=component&print=1&page=. As evident from the two KATU news reports and from numerous meetings and conversations with concerned local parents, Gleason is also less than honest. When pushed on air, he said, 'We're not saying we have to have it here. We're not trying to make a statement that we have to have it here.'" However, in numerous conversations and emails in previous years with concerned parents, he repeated his mantra that Sonrise "won't move the services. The church was there first."
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A common and cheap trick used by many in debates is to redirect and deflect negative attention by villifying the opposition. That had been Sonrise's tactics thus far.Â
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While the tactic may create noise and confusion, it is sill nothing but a cheap trick. The facts remain what they are. Once people work their way through the noise and distractions, they can see the truth for themselves.  Â
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The truth is that, for its' convenience and pride, Sonrise puts the health and safety of the children in these neighborhoods at risk by targeting and bring into our midst convicted sex offenders and other dangerous criminal elements .
There are 548 comments listed as I am making mine. How about 548 people call this townships police department, city hall, state police, county police, mayors office, state attorneys office and say enough is enough! For all of you trying to attack this mans line of thinking, you are wasting your time. THIS IS NOT A MAN OF GOD!
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God would not look pleasingly up on this type of situation. You know why? Because if this was Gods Will, it would have happened without all this up roar! God Bless and may God have mercy on this mans soul!
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Let's stop playing games, Gleason. Stop it with the redirection, the smoke and mirrors, the blame game, and the "I was here first" game. Enough is enough.
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WE DON'T CARE TO KNOW THE NAMES, ADDRESSES AND CRIMINAL HISTORIES OF THE 120 CONVICTED SEX OFFENDERS YOU INVITE WEEKLY TO MEET BY TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. We just want them out of our neighborhoods.Â
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And, we don't care if it's "5 or less", or a dozen, or whatever number of  convicted sex offenders you feel like throwing out there today, or if its as Jerry Mettee, your man in charge of this program, bragged to the newspaper, "Through Light My Way, 120 men and women whose parole and probation restrictions prevent them from attending regular church services get together on Sunday afternoons to 'talk about life' and faith." http://portlandtribune.com/fgnt/36-news/22041-a-new-sonrise-in-town?tmpl=component&print=1&page=.
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Man up. The buck stops with you. Relocate this program and keep these convicted sex offenders away from kids.
@James Farley - so are you starting to "card" and "background check" every person living in your neighborhood, who are in line next to you at Fred Meyer, the gas station, at the movies, at the mall, at a sporting event, etc.? If not, it sure sounds like you are on a witch hunt and may want to go to that extreme as you never know who is standing next to you, in front of you or behind you. No James....the buck doesn't stop with Pastor Gleason....the buck stops with you regarding your over the top behavior. Those who are working with Pastor Gleason in a mature and rational manner are addressing this issue appropriately. My guess is you don't even have a dog in this fight (do you live in that neighborhood or attend Sonrise), but instead you are simply stirring the pot. I'm curious, what is it like to live this angry every day? I simply can't imagine....
 @James Farley I cannot help but wonder how many other places have meetings like this that you people do not know about. Should they all move too, simply because you do not like them? If you are that upset by it why can't you move? If you own a house, you must have a decent job, reasonably good credit, etc. It would be easy. Or why can't you just live with it and educate your children on the dangers of life. Oh wait, what am I saying, parents take responsibility for their children. Sorry my mistake.
 @Willow  @James Farley "You people".....We know about and are responsible for what is happening within OUR neighborhood. It's cost us enough time, energy, and emotion to invest in the situation happening right in our neighborhood, so no, I doubt anyone's had the time or energy to research all other neighborhoods on the planet, but thanks for asking.Â
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You might take note of the fact that EVEN the EXPERTS working in the area of SEX OFFENDER rehabilitation and treatment state that PARENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. Perhaps you, and others who've taken the position that you have that "it's no big deal", should listen to what the experts are saying.Â
"The serial killer has the same personality characteristics as the sex offender against children" -Dr. Mace Knapp, Nevada State Prison Psychologist.   http://yellodyno.com/Statistics/statistics_child_molester.html.
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The average child molester will molest fifty girls before being caught and convicted. http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/blog/sex-offenders/child-molestation-statistics/.
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A child molester that seeks out boys will molest 150 boys before being caught and convicted and he will commit at least 280 sexual crimes in his lifetime. http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/blog/sex-offenders/child-molestation-statistics/.Â
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Any intelligent and honest person could see the dangers of placing a program for convicted sex offenders next to schools and near children. Â
@James Farley Pretty much sums it up.
Don't buy into the whole recidivism rate figures because (1) the LEGAL SYSTEM IS ONLY IS ONLY ABLE TO CORRECTLYÂ PREDICT FUTURE BEHAVIORS OF CRIMINALS IN ONE THIRD OF THE TIME, and (2) MORE THAN HALF OF SEXUAL ASSAULTS ARE NOT REPORTED TO THE POLICE.Â
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Studies in psychology and law and repeatedly confirmed that psychologists and psychiatrists expert witnesses perform worse than flpping a coin (pure 50-50 % chance) when trying to predict future behaviors of criminals. According to one forensic psychologist, the acceptable accuracy rate was 33%. http://psych-law.blogspot.com/2012/08/risk-assessment-how-psychologists.html. That's worse than flipping a coin! See, e.g., http://www.cchr.org/sites/default/files/Psychs_Cannot_Predict_or_Cure_Violence.pdf.Â
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(Feel free to Google and research this issue to your heart's content. It is not that psychologists and psychiatrists are quacks, but that the human mind and human behaviors are complex and impossible.)
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Similarly, numerous studies have found that MORE THAN HALF of sexual assaults are NOT reported to the police. RAINN, the eminently reputable Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, reports that 54% of sexual assaults are NOT reported to the police. http://www.rainn.org/statistics. On average, a sex offender molests 117 children before being caught. http://www.statisticbrain.com/sex-offender-statistics/. "A survey of high school students found that one in five had experienced forced sex (rape). Half of these girls told no one about the incident." (So much for you degenerates who keep claiming that you were wrongfully registered as sex offenders for statutory rape of a minor.) http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php.Â
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The bottom line is that we do worse than flip a coin when predicting if a convicted sex offender still presents a danger to innocent children and others, and he'll molest more than 117 children before getting caught.Â
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Those recidivism rates are predicated upon the sex offenders getting caught. But, that happens less than once in a 117 times. Makes you feel good about those recidivism rates, doesn't it?Â
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We glom on to those statistics to make ourselves feel better. But, IN THE WORDS OF A SEX OFFENDER,
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THUS, IT IS A VERY VERY VERY BAD IDEA TO INVITE 120 CONVICTED SEX OFFENDERS TO MEET 60 STEPS FROM ONE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND WITHIN SIX BLOCKS OF A SECOND. IT A CALLOUS AND INCONSIDERATE DECISION THAT JEOPARDIZES THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF THE THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GO TO SCHOOLS HERE, VISIT THE ORENCO FARMERS' MARKET OR SHOP AT NEW SEASONS AT ORENCO STATION, ETC. RELOCATE THE PROGRAM NOW, BEFORE ANOTHER INNOCENT CHILD'S LIFE IS DESTROYED!
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@Concerned Orenco Parent - yet another person who can't get the facts of the situation correct. 120 sex offenders.....riiiiiiiight....
"Through Light My Way, 120 men and women whose parole and probation restrictions prevent them from attending regular church services get together on Sunday afternoons to 'talk about life' and faith, Mettee noted." http://portlandtribune.com/fgnt/36-news/22041-a-new-sonrise-in-town?tmpl=component&print=1&page=.  Jerry Mettee is the pastor for Sonrise's LMW program. http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=699879144&targetid=profile.Â
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 @Concerned Orenco Parent Please tell me what the presence of elementary schools in the area, no matter how many steps or how many blocks, has to do with who attends a church service on a Sunday afternoon when schools are not in session and how thousands of children are jeopardized by those who attend the services?Â
Let's not be obstinate. But, then again, that appears to be a common trait of those who support convicted sex offenders at the exclusion of everything else, including innocent children.
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Sophomoric comments are best ignored, but this needs to be addressed for all. Kids and their sports teams ofen use the fields to practice and play. In their recent newsletter, Quatama, like other schools, noted that teams compete for the use of their fields and must follow procedures to do so.Â
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Further, these convicted sex offenders come Sonrise bus, MAX, or their own cars. Yes, 120 convicted sex offenders descend into the neighborhood several times a week. (Sonrise's web site for their Light My Way program used to list four events every week on that page, but has since changed it AGAIN to show only twice per week.) They come unsupervised and without any notice, safeguards, or protection for the kids using the nearby school yards, parks, playgrounds or play structures.Â
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Is that a problem? Unless you support convicted sex offenders at the exclusion of innocent children and everyone else, yes.
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As others keep repeating, the victims here are the children whose lives have been damaged by a convicted sex offender who was unable to restrain him or herself. The victims are NOT the convicted sex offenders, grown men and women, who choose to hurt innocent children and others.Â
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Let's not reveal yourself to be so cold and callous as to say,"Who cares about the safety of kids playing in their school yards or neighborhood parks?"Â
 @Shelly Stow  @Concerned Orenco Parent Shelly, they sometimes come early and stay around after but the church has a rule they cannot linger on THEIR premises. I wouldn't have a problem with the services or the homeless shelter if these people went back to where they came from.Â
This is taken from the piece about by Thom Jensen and Katu 2 News:
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Lawrence has handled literally hundreds of sex offender cases both as an attorney and as a prosecutor. And while she believes the church should ethically tell neighbors exactly who is attending Sonrise's Light My Way service, she knows the law is not on her side. "(It's) not required by the statute. It's really pretty discretionary and permissive with regard to the state parole board â even if you're a predatory sex offender," she said.
And now part 2, recidivism. This is much easier: This is partial but enough to fill in some gaps. Please continue to research on your own. You will be amazed at what you find.
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 âRecently the Bureau of Justice Statistics published a study which tracked 9,700 sex offenders for three years, 2001-2004. Their findings concluded: Only 5.3% of these people imprisoned for sex crimes were rearrested for a subsequent sex offense.â
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âThe common view is that the recidivism rate is high among sex offenders. It is not. New York regularly publishes 3 year follow-ups of all those released from state prisons. Between 1985 and 2002 a total of 12,863 sex offenders were released. Only 272 of these (2.1%) were returned to prison for new sex crimes within three years of their release.â  (2002 Releases: Three Year Post Release Follow-up, State of New York Department of Correctional Services, p. 16)Â
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California News, Wednesday, July 13, 2011: âFew sex offenders deemed 'violent predators,' audit finds. Since 2005, just 1 percent (134 convicts) of California's released sex offenders committed a new offense."
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ALASKA (2008) 3.4% http://justice.uaa.alaska.edu/forum/25/1-2springsummer2008/g_recidivism.html
ARIZONA (2005); 9.7%; http://www.azcorrections.gov/adc/reports/recidivism_2005.pdf p.6
CONNECTICUT (2012) 2.7%Â http://www.ct.gov/opm/lib/opm/cjppd/cjresearch/recidivismstudy/sex_offender_recidivism_2012_final.pdf
DELAWARE(2007)3.8%; http://cjc.delaware.gov/sac/publications/documents/recidivism_adult_2007.pdf p. 11
INDIANAÂ (2005-2007) 5.3, 5.2, 5.7%Â http://www.in.gov/idoc/files/05_07RecidivismRpt.pdf p.22
    (2008) 1.05% http://www.in.gov/idoc/files/IDOCRecidivism.pdf
IOWA (2000) 3-3.5%; http://sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/inc_StateRecidivismFinalPaginated.pdf
MINNESOTA (2007) 3.8% http://www.corr.state.mn.us/publications/documents/04-07SexOffenderReport-    Recidivism.pdf p.20
MISSOURI (2007) sample group had all completed a s.o. program) 0.6%! Â Â http://sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/inc_StateRecidivismFinalPaginated.pdf
TEXAS (2001) 2%; http://www.lbb.state.tx.us/PubSafety_CrimJustice/6_Links/RehabilitationTier.pdf p.23
WASHINGTON (2005) 2.7%Â http://www.wsipp.wa.gov/rptfiles/05-08-1203.pdf
WEST VIRGINIA (2001-03) 9.5%; http://www.wvdoc.com/wvdoc/Portals/0/documents/recidivism2001-2003.pdf
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@Shelly Stow Those statistics are suspect in light of the fact that, on average, a sex offender molests 117 children before getting caught. http://www.statisticbrain.com/sex-offender-statistics/. If we can't catch them, we can't include data about their being caught, and recidivism rates are only about data of those getting caught reoffending.Â
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 @Concerned Orenco Parent Interesting site; I haven't had time yet to check into its validity, but definitely interesting. I see you neglected to include this from the site:
"Percent of sex offenders that will commit another sex crime after being released from jail 5.3 %."
 If they are so safe than take them home!
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 @James Farley Yes, James, I understand what I read, and when someone gives me a link to a study or anything official supporting the idea that "the average sex offender molested 117 kids before getting caught," I will read and understand that. The lack of understanding may be on your part. You make my case when you say, "If they don't get caught, they can't be counted in the recidivism rate." Of course not. If they don't get caught, recidivism doesn't apply. The statistics show that, once caught, the recidivism rate is low for those offenders, those are have been caught. Those are who everyone is watching and tracking and terrified of when it is those who have not yet been caught who are continuing to offend. We spend many millions and all of our resources on those who have been caught, after the fact, and nothing--NOTHING--on programs that will address the horror of child sexual abuse before it happens. I am not saying do not punish those caught. I have never said that. I am saying do not put 100% of our eggs in that basket when over 95% of sexual crime against children is happening outside of that basket. If we spent half of what we spend on the registry on prevention, victims' services, and rehabilitation, the rate of child victims would decrease year by year by year. As it now stands, the registry and putting all of the focus there has been in effect, in one way or another, around 25 years. There has been no decrease in the percentage of sexual assault of children or in the number of new victims. Experts say that if every registered offender in America were imprisoned tonight and kept there forever, there wold be no statistically significant lowering whatsoever of the number of children who would be sexually abused tomorrow and next month and next year. How much longer will it be before we have enough sense to know that we must do something else?
@Shelly Stow @Concerned Orenco Parent  Do you not understand what you read? Concerned Orenco Parent said those rates are suspect because the average sex offender molested 117 kids before getting caught. If they don't get caught, they can't be counted in the recidivism rate. Simply repeating the number, when its underlying basis is suspect, doesn't make it true.
 @Shelly Stow Shelly you say that you have family members who are suvivors, but the way that you advocate for and promote info about sex offenders really makes me think that there's more to your story, including having some sex offenders in your immediate family. It's just way overboard on the offender side.
 @For Kids What you choose to think is entirely within your control. What you think doesn't change the truth.
Trying to rehabilitate sexual offenders is like trying to turn gay people straight. As a parent, there is no way I would be comfortable with this situation. Â It's not a matter of "the church was there first"... churches are fine, many people find comfort in a church, but hosting meetings for violent sexual offenders is something a church next to a school should have no right to do. Â I don't know what the statistics are for sexual offenders who re-offend, but sexual preferences Are what they Are, and holding meetings like this in such close proximity to a school is like putting a basket of french fries in front of a chronic overeater.
 @nerdbyrd No riot act; just filling in some gaps in the information that you admittedly have.
First, one key is "violent." I agree; violent people of any sort , criminal or not, don't belong in proximity to young children. Differing percentages have emerged when trying to determine who on the registry actually is violent and/or dangerous, although law enforcement generally sets the figures on the low side. All data, however, shows that the greatest majority of dangerous offenders are seldom released into the community. Â
As part of those nefarious  groups of people who realize that our current laws are not accomplishing their purpose and who work within the parameters of what research has shown to be most effective, I have been participatory in meetings, groups, and conferences where registrants were present. It would be difficult to say how many registrants I have mingled with, but I have found them to be contrite, forthcoming about guilt and responsibility, offense free since being arrested, and altogether decent human beings determined to be decent members of society. Many have families and a degree of financial security, usually through establishing their own businesses. Many are still struggling.Â
I "know," through the Internet and on-line associations, many hundreds more, and over a period of several years, of all of those I know directly or indirectly, one has committed a violent sexual offense against an adult. One was violent and dangerous. I know this is not an accurate percentage, but the point is that those who are in the communities and those who choose to participate in community activities such as worship services and support groups are not violent and are not dangerous.Â
This is already long; I will add a part 2 addressing the recidivism issue.
And noneofyourbizzness, I am neither of the two groups you names, but now I expect you and others who seem to have no interest in what actually makes communities safer accuse me of being a variety of things, none of which is very likely to be true. All that I ask of you is that you do some research into the issue. Do it at government sites, not at private sites with their own agendas in either direction, but places like the FBI, DOJ, or the Oregon State site.Â
 @Shelly Stow  @nerdbyrd Shelly you say that you have family members who are suvivors, but the way that you advocate for and promote info about sex offenders really makes me think that there's more to your story, including having some sex offenders in your immediate family.Â
@nerdbyrd I agree.Now you can expect to have the registered sex offenders as well as the members of this church to read you then riot act.
Why is it that nobody seems to care that the church was built in 1980 and the current location of the school was built in 2000. If anything the school should move not the church. I hope the pastor holds his ground and stays. For those that do not like the church being there, move. It is as simple as that. There are better schools in Hillsboro, with better testing scores and teacher evaluations, so it is not like you are sending your kids to the cream of the crop school that would be missed if they left.
 @Willow The building has been there a while and was previously occupied by a tech company. Sonrise moved in and first opened their door at the end of 2007. Orenco Elementary (which is not the school in question, though it is still very close) opened in 2000. Quatama, the school right next door, opened after Sonrise moved in, but the bond to build the school was passed in 2006 and the land was purchased by the district before that. So, Sonrise should have been well-aware of who their neighbors were, and would be in the near future.
 @RubyRoof  @Willow Thanks for the info, Ruby Roof. Sounds like Willow isn't very well informed about the details of this situation.
 @Willow "Hi, I'm Willow, and I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about."
 @Willow I think that people recognize that the church "was there first" before the school, and the pastor sounds like he highlighted that point too. The neighborhoods were there first, in actuality if that is going to be the silly argument. The question is why aren't both the church and the school who are both institutions that are all about, or should be about kids, notifying the neighbors? Why is that so hard to answer?Â
 @For Kids Actually many of the homes were built in the 2000's and several that have been there since 1999 have sold between than and now. So most of those people were not there first. As far as notifying the neighbors, why should they. They church is not doing anything wrong. It is the overly worried atmosphere in the neighborhood, about people they probably know little about that is perpetuating the problem. Why is this becoming an issue after 30 years? It is not like anyone was recently "injured" by a parishioner.
 @For Kids The elementary school or Orenco for that matter is a product of the max station. There was hardly nothing out there before that. Until this happens or that happens is a poor excuse for forcing people to relocate. Blah blah blah. So many things in life can happen, its called life, live with it. And I do not see how I am shaming the parents. I have said nothing about them, except to say that if they do not like it than they should move. I don't see how that is hurtful.
and the school district.
 @Willow 30 years??? the church has been doing this for 8 years. Not sure what you're talking about. Orenco Elementary was there "first", and most of the neighborhoods were there before this. Nice try. "overly worried atmosphere?" Easy to say until a child gets hurt. In case you missed it, even a researcher in sex offender treatment said that the parents aren't wrong in voicing their concerns and being concerned, and that it takes the WHOLE COMMUNITY to address the issues around child sex abuse. quit shaming the parents.
@Willow @For Kids Not having children of my own,I can empathize with the concerned parents.The idea of of having groups of sex offenders traveling in and out of the area to be disconcerting.It only takes once and it will be literally *lights out* for this church as well s the multi multi million dollar judgent on them.
This is my last post until after the holidays.  My family is the most important thing in my life second only to my faith in God. I did go talk to both pastors and left feeling more confused than I had before I went in. They told me one thing but their quotes in other places were different so I felt I could not believe what they were saying. I also questioned whether to even care about this issue anymore. I knew I kept a good watch on my children so I dropped it because I felt it wasnât worth the fight and I didnât want to offend or make anyone around me upset; I try to be PC when I can.  I basically said, âGod, not my problem.â (a little like Jonah not that I am a great prophet or anything)  But⦠God had other plans. Ya know He is funny that way;  I swear I make plans and he laughs. Sometimes my plans line up with His; often they donât. When that happens, sometimes crisis occurs to bring me back into a right relationship with Him. Sometimes it is just that He brings someone into my life to remind me what is really important. Thom Jensen did just that; he reminded me what was really important and in this case it was my community and all of itâs families.Â
Sonrise, maybe this was Godâs way of redirecting you. I am not saying that what youâre doing is wrong; wrong place yes but not wrong ministry. I believe with all my heart that you are coming from a place that wants to serve but somewhere along the way you forgot about the ones that were already here and left them entirely out of the equation. It could also be that maybe something bad is really on the horizon and He has been using those âcrazy parentsâ to, at first, quietly redirect you; encourage you to find a place faster. When you didnât listen, He used the media. I cannot say I can read the mind of God but I often see things like this, on a much smaller scale, in my own life. I believe we are just part of a larger plan for not only this ministry but also this community.Â
I donât want to fight with the he said they said anymore. I want to find a new place and help mend what is right now so broken. So, my suggestion is for Pastor Gleason to contact those people who have approached you or now send you their email addresses and with them build an advisory board to find a better location. Get those â20 other churchesâ involved too. They cannot sit on the sidelines if they expected Sonrise and our community to take the hit on this alone. As far as the first two groups go, believe me when I say everyone here is beyond motivated.  Until one is found, better notification needs to be sent out. I would suggest contacting the HOAs and the schools, yes Hillsboro School District you are going to have to get involved, to get the word out. Also, the apartments around you need to be contacted and residents must be told by the management. Lastly, I would ask Washington County Correctional Services to send some people with the individuals they send by Max or bus to your service. Those people would then return with them on by whatever means they came. These are  not a perfect solutions and only suggestions. I am sure there are much smarter people out there that can come up with a better plan.
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Lastly, I would ask that those of you that are of like mind and want laws to change so that things like Sellwood and this donât continue happen, to get going on some legislation. I never want to see my community so torn apart ever again. I donât want to see Christians versus Christians when both sides really believe they are in the right.  I LOVE where I live, I LOVE my neighbors, and I LOVE our school and it makes me sad that all these places have been hurt in this whole mess.  I am not sure how we can join forces but someone has to have an idea.
Happy Thanksgiving and enjoy your families.
 @Concerned Parent Why is it the wrong place? Who gives you the right to tell someone where they can hold a church service? If you do not like it move. Simple as that. But then again, I am sure you would say that the economy is bad...blah...blah...blah. Not to mention that the church was built in 1980 and the school in 2000. So tell me again why they should move? Maybe they should move the school. As far as being a message, it says nothing more than look how sad the world is and how pathetic people are. I hope the pastor stays and I applaud him for giving support to people when they need it.
@Willow "look how sad the world is and how pathetic people are." At least you got that right. It IS a sad world we live in when people thing a bunch of perv sex offenders are more important than the safety of children. Pathetic indeed.Â
 @Willow  @Concerned Parent Again, the neighborhoods were there first. : ) You should also know that numerous parents have tried to work with the church to notify these child-rich communities before getting to this point. They were put off on this over and over and over, and it sounds like it was finally put onto them to have the notify the community if they wanted to community notified. Sounds like they're willing to help the church and school get the word out, but the church and school have the greatest resources and ability to do so, at least it seems that way. Why haven't they done so...even in a joint effort if they have such a good relationships? That questions doesn't get answered, but I guess the parents in the neighboring communities could do picket signs outside the school or something just to let parents know. I don't think parents would appreciate having to find out that way, really. These conversations about all this on here keep getting sidetracked onto who was there first, sex offenders aren't that great a risk, the church does so much good, on and on and on, but just tell the neighboring community that you have an outreach to ex-convicts, and the county and offender services send you referrals. I just scratch my head wondering why at least the school district has not done so, unless they've tried to avoid a controversy, but now it sure seems like they have one. what a tangled web. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
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 @Concerned Parent I bet the district will continue its position not to notify parents from the schools. Maybe some picket signs are in order before and after school instead? Not to picket the schools, but to notify at least the parents who drop off and pick up the kids. I hope they wouldn't disagree to a better notification than that, because I can just see all those little kids on the buses going, "Mommy, why are those people holding those signs?" Well, honey, those parents are trying to keep the children in the community safe, since the school district doesn't seem to be concerned with your safety. : (Â