Online loan sharks find tribal lands are an easy way to skirt the law
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PORTLAND, Ore. - Online loan sharks are exploiting a gaping loophole to get their hands on your money - and local lawmakers are fighting back hard.
What are these loan sharks doing that's so wrong?
They're setting up shop on Native American reservations so they can avoid state and federal laws that protect consumers. It's one of the worst cases of online crime the KATU On Your Side Investigators have ever come across.
Oregon Democratic Senator Jeff Merkley told KATU he has been fighting for years to stop it.
"What they're doing is morally wrong," Merkley said. "It breaks state law. It destroys families and we have to stop it."
We’ve been talking to a Salem woman – hard working but behind on her bills like a lot of us – who is in over her head with a payday loan company – way, way over her head.
Elena Peralta, 20, took out $150 to pay her car insurance – but in a matter of weeks, she was on the hook for $4,500 and teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. The business she got the loan from is called US Fast Cash, which operates on the Ottawa tribe's reservation in Oklahoma.
The loan company, Peralta found out, had the right to raid her bank account at will. And when that money ran out, she started getting phone calls from ‘collection agents’ every day and night, and even at work, threatening her with legal action and harassing her.
And the payments Peralta did manage to make never touched the principal – just the outrageous triple-digit interest rates the loan company was charging her.
"It affected my family," she said. "Not just myself, my whole family."
Everything about this loan sounds illegal under Oregon law. Regulators agree - so much so that the state has already red-flagged these online lenders in this consumer alert.
But here's what we found out when we started looking into this - nothing can be done to stop them, or bring the worst of these cyber loan sharks to justice. Not yet at least.
This woman’s case – and thousands like it – is now at the center of a legal battle at the highest levels of the U.S. Government –a story that’s taken us from Portland, to the halls of Congress, to a dusty town in Oklahoma - and deep into the pages of one of the murkiest chapters in America’s history. Millions of dollars hangs in the balance as the rights of you, the consumer, are pitted against the rights of all Native Americans.
Their treaties with the United States are century-old binding contracts upheld by numerous court decisions. But the issue of tribal sovereignty is taking center stage in the fight to stop online loan sharks.
Merkley saw the writing on the wall in 2007, when as Oregon Speaker of the House, he authored and ushered through a new law putting strict limits on the amount of interest and fees lenders could charge. "We knew that people would try to bi-pass the state laws over the Internet, so we passed a law saying that any loan done over the Internet is un-collectable," he said.
But Oregon lawmakers did not foresee the loan operations moving to tribal lands.
It may now take an act of Congress to stop the online loan sharks and Peralta may become the poster child for that effort.
Merkley is now trying to push a bill that he authored through the U.S. Senate. It would stop the lending from tribal lands in its tracks.
"It simply says that you can't operate out of a tribal reservation or overseas, or anywhere else, and violate the state laws," Merkley said.
If the bill becomes law, the Consumer Fraud Protection Bureau will also have the power to stop the loan sharks at the source, making it impossible for them to dip their electronic fingers into the bank accounts of anyone.
Merkley expects a fight. He says lenders and their lobbyists will line up to stop the bill’s passage.
With her eyes filled with tears Elena told Thom, "That's something that I don't want other people to go through. It's bad."
With that, she said she hopes she does become the poster child for Merkley’s bill, because it will most likely take that type of action to finally close this tribal loophole in lending laws.
What can you do if you're in a sticky situation with one of these lenders?
Stop the drain on your finances by closing the account tied to the loan and opening a new one. That gives you time to contest the loan conditions.
The Oregon Division of Finance tells us that because these extra costs are technically illegal, you may not have to pay them at all. Use the links below to file a complaint.
- To file a complaint: Consumer Financial Protection Bureau | Federal Trade Commission
- How to find bad lenders (partial list compiled by Oregon)
- Oregon law and consumer protection (pdf)
- Washington law and consumer protection
What's the best way to get a short-term loan?
If you really do need a short-term loan to make ends meet, state regulators recommend you go to a brick and mortar business - storefronts approved by the state and bound by Oregon and Washington laws, and bound by limits on interest and fees.
Regardless of you country or ethnicity payday loans are in most cases a terrible idea. Even if you don't run into a provider that will rip you off there's still a very high APR to deal with. This solution is really for the desperate ones with no other choice, and that's precisely why payday companies find it so easy to profit, because desperate people rarely have time to go through all the terms and conditions in details. Luckily a payday loan is not the only choice, all it takes is some time to look for alternatives, for example here's a nice list of things you can do:Â http://onlineloan24.com/blog/six-alternative-choices-to-payday-loans/ Payday loan is the easiest solution to find, but with a little more time spend researching you can save youself a lot of trouble in the long run.
Please see all links to law suits on this below!!!
The "Tribal" clause in the contract people sign with Western Sky (aka..cash call...& known by other names) GOVERNING LAW. This Agreement is governed by the Indian Commerce Clause of the Constitution of the United States of America and the laws of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe. We do not have a presence in South Dakota or any other states of the United States. Neither this Agreement nor Lender is subject to the laws of any state of the United States of America. By executing this Agreement, you hereby expressly agree that this Agreement is executed and performed solely within the exterior boundaries of the Cheyenne River Indian Reservation, a sovereign Native American Tribal Nation. You also expressly agree that this Agreement shall be subject to and construed in accordance only with the provisions of the laws of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, and that no United States state or federal law applies to this Agreement. You agree that by entering into this Agreement you are voluntarily availing yourself of the laws of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, a sovereign Native American Tribal Nation, and that your execution of this Agreement is made as if you were physically present within the exterior boundaries of the Cheyenne River Indian Reservation, a sovereign Native American Tribal Nation.
Yes they are...Please see this...
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 http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/09/payday.shtm & this: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/maryland/mddce/1:2011cv01256/190050/9/0.pdf?1318592731
if they were leget...why are they having all these problems? I can see making a profit...but getting greedy is another animal!
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I did not ask, because I knew it would be bad, what I did not know was how bad.  I was led to believe that I would have x amount of payments over x amount of time and then I would  be done.  I was foolish.  Desperation causes people to do foolish things.
 @justanopionion So then you cannot put 100% of the fault on the loan company.  It's our responsibility as consumers to be informed and know what we're getting into.  The same goes for home owners who claim that the banks are taking advantage or taking their homes.  If you don't know what you're getting into, you shouldn't complain when it comes back to bite you.
I caught caught up in a similar scam.  (Splash cash advance) These people are very illicit.  They tell you one thing on the phone but they neglect to tell you about the 2000 percent interest rate, they just make it seem like a couple of payments and you are done.  Nope, I had a 400 loan that cost me 1200 dollars, and I still owed the entire amount after many months of payments.  I complained to the BBB, and called KATU who did a story.  Finally we were able to get them to stop harassing me.  Lesson learned... YEP.  If they operate from a tribal location, no amount of state laws can stop them.  BTW, you will probably need to close your bank account as well.  I did, because they will keep taking your money forever.
 @justanopionion Just curious, what was the interest rate they quoted you when you asked them about the interest rate?
Just another example of a lazy reporter. Get off your butt and do some serious research Mr. Jensen. Tribes are NOT exempt from federal legislation. Second, had Oregon legislators had the foresight to properly regulate payday loan products, consumers Oregon residents would not be forced to provide their bank acct. and social security numbers to tribes, offshore and Internet lenders. Oregon could have protected their citizens, collected taxes on payday loan operators, allowed landlords to rent their properties, provided jobs to small dollar loan providers and on and on... Tom, do the work, Man. Jer - Trihouse
 @Jer Ayles Ayler Actually he is right. I have researched this myself and it is not just Oregon that is being affected. I have contacted several Federal agencies and there is not much they can do unfortunately. As far as providing information, you don't always have to disclose you bank account information as they can get it. I know because my husband was doing research to get an online loan and was on a 3rd party website. In a few days money showed up into our account. We have been trying to get this resolved ever since. When we offer to send them the money back, they refuse wanting us to provide our new bank account information .By the way, it was US Fash Cash that provided  us the funds, under the false name of the Azami group
How come are all of these "Sovereign Nations" located in Oklahoma?? Ameriloan and United Cash are both thru the Miami Tribe in Oklahoma...and Ms. Peralta's is the Ottowa Tribe. Is Oklahoma supposed to be this magical money place?
So the Indian tribes that run these kinds of businesses are bad, but when asked to build a non-tribal casino we were told that they need all the $$ they can get so we shouldn't compete. Â Hypocrites!
Again....I'm so amazed at the holier than thou morons on this forum. God forbid you ever a severe emergency arise where you need to get some money. These places are traps...but when you're back is against a wall and don't know where to turn, what would you???? Many have no family left, on unemployment for a long time...I'm so glad to see so many of you doing well, happy in their jobs, and have lots of money to play with. Someday....someday soon...you'll be on the list.
 @fracas I'm sorry you feel that way, but not all of us are doing well either. My child has special needs and we are not financially secure. However, if you take these people up on their loans you will be even poorer as they will bleed you dry. If you are in need look to agencies that are truely there to help you. I have looked into Catholic Charities and no you don't have to be catholic to get help. Other local church groups can help too.Â
 @fracas Yes, but there are better alternatives than turning to these rip off artists that charge triple digit interest rates. She just needed to do a little research.
@scoreboard @fracas This economy has given many really bad credit. You try and get a $100 loan with bad credit. You can't....not from a reputable place. Yes...she could have probably gotten one from a brick-and-mortar shop, but i'll tell you something, and please don't think I'm being insensitive, but we've all bought into this restitution mentality that we feel is owed to Native Americans, that when you see something affilitiated with a "tribe", you figure, "they'll be honest with me, afterall, we're helping them back on their feet". So we let them have the only right to built casinos, and we allow them to work shady loan operations. I feel horrible for what we put them thru...I feel horrible for all African Americans, I feel bad for the Jewish people and the holocaust...but they weren't ME. The people who dealt with those horrible things are long gone...so let's do the restitution then stop this. Stop the ability for these payday services from ripping people off.Â
 @pdxtvguy  @scoreboard  @fracas I'm glad people are having this discussion about better products.  If it was a bad product, people would find a better, cheaper alternative......"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." VoltaireÂ
 @scoreboard  @fracas Heck, if you needed a couple hundred bucks to cover a bill or two, pawn shops are a better option.
 @fracas  @scoreboard I couldn't agree with you more. I just know that there are other alternatives out there with lower rates and that are easier to deal with. I've been in her shoes and found loads from loan companies with lower interest rates and easier terms.
The woman in this story could have went to ACE (Cash Express), and got a $300 loan for $39 in interest with 30-days to pay it back. These are for emergencies and shouldn't be for thousands of dollars! You can't save people from themselves! Live and learn!! A good life-lesson for her and others like her.
HEY YOU BELOW MEÂ !!!! MR. SCORECARD !!!! I just clicked on that link for that LOAN PLACE AND HOLY MOLY !!!!! THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE DUMBEST LADY THAT I HAVE SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE !!!!!
 @Jake Hunt Pretty insane isn't it? Stupidity should be painful.
I went to check out this Western Sky tribal loan thing that I see on TV. It's not that I'm going to try to get a loan as I am not in need but I was curious about their loans rates. After one look I was thinking HOLY CRAP!!!Â
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 @scoreboard The fine print in the Western Sky commercial shows the interest rate as 89.9% for the $10,000 loan. The link you provided is even more enlightening.  I cannot imagine anyone borrowing from these scams. Loan sharking used to be illegal.
So why did this woman go online for a payday loan at a 100%+ interest rate when she could have gone to any number of places in Salem? Something doesn't add up. Either this woman is incredibly stupid, and has no business being a 'poster child' for anything, or there is more to this story.
 @moej No doubt! She could have went to ACE and paid like $40 in interest on a $300 loan (to be paid back in 30 days.) These loans are for emergencies and should not be for thousands of dollars! You can't protect people from themselves!!
THIS LADY REMINDS ME OF THE TYPICAL AMERICAN IDIOT THESE DAYS !!!! SHE IS THE EXACT REASON WHY THESE LOAN SHARKS ARE IN BUSINESS !!!!!
MAN O MAN THIS LADY MUST BE A PRODUCT OF OUR FINE PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM !!!!!
THIS IS WHY AMERICA IS SOOOOO SCREWED UP !!!! NO MORE COMMON SENSE !!!!! I always tried to teach my kids if you are going to work for nothing at a fast food job then dont spend too much time driving or walking there because the more time and money it takes to get there the lower the wage you make !!!! THIS LADY THAT TOOK OUT THE $150.00 LOAN IS A PURE IDIOT !!!!! If you cant afford to drive and pay insurance then go to the nearest corner to get that CRAPPY MINIMUM WAGE JOB !!!!!
I took a bus for 16 months to save on car insurance, diesel and maintenance in order to get my cars transmission fixed because these commercials are nothing more than an incredible rip-off and it bothers me that folks out there are that ignorant to buy into them...
The tribal land should be for the "Tribe", not other companies. If tribal lands are special, then they need to be policed or taken away. It is a two way street. Enough time has passed that no more tribal land needs to be set aside. Time to wake up, and welcome to the present.
As it is, a lot of tribal workers at the various casinos are on drugs or worse. If the tribes want to be respected, they need to police those on the land.
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 @Just Lookin "The tribal land should be for the "Tribe", not other companies." What makes you think the tribe isn't profiting from these businesses? I'm sure these companies are paying the tribes a fee to set up shop there.
@moej @Just Lookin Actually, most of these are owned by 1 or 2 members of the tribe.
@Just Lookin And your proof to back up substance abuse at Tribal Casinos can be found where exactly? And the tribes are certainly free to allow businesses to operate on their land. In fact, in some areas, if native american tribes have prime farm land, they may choose to allow a white man to lease the land from them.
Sport...check with employees at any of the casinos, and you will find out the truth. They can quit their jobs...and come back anytime at all. They can say they will get off drugs or alcohol, and come back anytime, yet not be so clean
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It is time to not allow the illegal stuff to continue on the tribal lands. If they wish to keep all the perks and $$$, then they need to clean up their act.
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 @Just Lookin I've been a patron at every single tribal casino in the state of Oregon, but I have not encountered a single staff member, tribe member or not, that has appeared to be under the influence of any improper substance.
"It is time to not allow the illegal stuff to continue on the tribal lands. If they wish to keep all the perks and $$$, then they need to clean up their act."
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You're kind of forgetting something aren't you? It's not illegal on THIER land.
Why don't our friends that own these tribal lands take care of this for us? They don't want new casinos on our land but they are ok with loan sharks on their land?
@2012 Hope and Change The loan company most likely is owned by a tribal member.
If the loan company is owned by a tribal member, then the tribe needs to take action and insure they start obeying laws...or lose their $$$ and benefits
 @pdxd  @Just Lookin This is the United States. Anyone living here should obey the same laws.  They don't have a seperate country within our country. I'm getting sick of people crying about what happened to them 100s of years ago. They weren't here then, and we didn't do it to them!!
 @pdxd  @Just Lookin Those sites say they are owened indepentently by an "individual tribal member" to make it legal in there land.. but don't have anything to do with with the tribal Government, etc, etc. Heh.
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 @Just Lookin Which laws? The reservation probably has no laws regarding a limit on the amount of interest that can be charged.
I'll admit, I ONCE did the "Online Payday" loans...Had a nice job, vehicle and very low rent, lost job, lost car and bank wouldn't close account ( I offered them $300 cash when it was $450 negative) after 2 weeks, they and the collections people were calling me daily.
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I left the state. The bank (WF) has my account sold off (They're claiming $2,296 owed) and I have no clue as to the online loan people. I always tell people that if you want to deal with those payday loan people, shoot yourself first, it's a smarter move.
@disgustedman I've been down and out in the worst way myself but I just took the lumps as they came.Even had to go without food before.I did finally pull myself out of my slump.I think my financial situation would be still effed up if I gave in and went to one of these very evil to the core loan sharks.
I realize that it takes time and this doesn't help those who are in a financial bind but I went from the worst credit ever to excellent credit in about three years.I started out with one of those secured credit cards where you pay the money up front.Kinda like a debit card but it really is a credit card.I used it for about a year then applied for a crappy $500.00 limit high Interest Capital One card.I paid that off for about a year and then applied for two more credit cards and paid those off every month.I know it's ridiculous but I now have about eight credit cards which I pay off every month except for one.I was able to raise my credit score to the 800 range.To this day I only buy what I know that I can pay off within 3 months.It was tough going for a long time and I went without a car,cable tv,going out to eat ect.I do feel fortunate that I now have a good size line of credit for when a emergency does come up so I don't have to be at the mercy of these sharks or friends and relatives.
 @noneofyourbizzness Sounds good -- except. I honestly do not understand why anyone would carry 8 (or worse ABOUT 8) credit cards. That seems like an invitation to trouble. With only Visa, MasterCard, and Discover (I discount American Express because you can't use it anywhere) to chose from, why would anyone want eight? Seems it would be terribly difficult to keep track of all that. Am I missing something?
@Nobody I also have auto pay for all of my bills that way I never forget to pay any of them.
@Nobody @noneofyourbizzness I agree it's a little much.I don't carry all of them in my wallet at the same time though.They all have low interest and no annual fee.Everytime I got a offer I filled it out just for the hell of it.I try to use them all and pay them off every month for the purpose of building my credit.Most of the time I just use my debit card though.
@noneofyourbizzness I'm about the same, though I don't like using debit cards, since so many businesses recently have seemed to have their point of sale terminals compromised. But with the exception of my oldest credit card, I have no annual fee's, half of the cards are used for 0% financing. And I've also relegated myself to just carrying a minimum of cards on me at any given time.
 @noneofyourbizzness Good for you. Been there, done that. I share an almost identical story. It's a tough road to hoe but it was well worth it. Now, when I get a loans (like for a car) my interest rates are always extremely low, the credits cards that I have also have a very low interest rate. I'm now working on paying them off, using the Dave Ramsay Debt snowball program. I figure in about 7-8 years I'll be debt free, including my home (assuming nothing bad happens).
@noneofyourbizzness Props to you my friend. I also went from a secured credit card, to being able to access some very highly regarded credit offers. It's an important point for people to remember to read what they are agreeing to, and the terms. Before my credit improved, I was routinely getting card offers for $125 annual fees with $15 monthly service fees, and the like, even though my secured card was only costing about $29/year. Better read the terms/conditions people.