# Common Core or common failure? Families pull kids out of class

HILLSBORO, Ore. – Nine parents pulled their seventh- and eighth-graders out of math class and started teaching them at home, because they are upset with the new Common Core curriculum that public schools in Oregon are starting this year.

Seventh-grader Amy Craig has always been an "A" student in math until this year. She came home with a "D."

The same thing happened to other students in her school. So their moms got together and decided to teach math themselves – an hour every morning.

Then the kids go off to school for the rest of the day.

This is the first school year when every public school in Oregon is using Common Core teaching standards. Forty-five other states use those, too.

"Our teachers would tell you math is more challenging this year than it was a year ago," said Rian Petrick, principal of Evergreen Middle School in Hillsboro, who is not surprised kids are struggling.

Math hasn't changed, but he said there are now fewer numbers and formulas and many more word problems and real-world examples. It includes more group work. That's tough for some kids.

"Our teachers feel like it's the best thing for kids, making them look much deeper into mathematics than they have in the past," Petrick said.

A KATU News reporter tried to ask Petrick whether the Common Core standards were the best thing if nine families had pulled their kids out of class because their kids were so stressed and distraught, but the Hillsboro School District spokeswoman cut Petrick off before he could answer.

"You don't have to answer that, Rian. That's an aggressive question," the spokeswoman said.

The state hasn't tested students on the new Common Core standards yet. They won't do that until 2015. But it has one prediction based on a similar test: up to two-thirds of middle school students could fail the math standards.

Meanwhile, an Oregon lawmaker blasted Common Core with a Facebook post.

Lew Frederick represents North and Northeast Portland in Oregon's House of Representatives.

He posted a searing critique of Common Core by catholic scholars. It reads in part: "We judge Common Core to be a recipe for standardized workforce preparation. Common Core shortchanges the central goals of all sound education."

Common Core adopts a bottom-line, pragmatic approach to education. The heart of its philosophy is that it is a waste of resources to "over-educate" people.

Communist Core is NOT about Education...it is about Control!

Once Communist Core is embedded into the foundations of American Education, the States, School boards, Parents, and Children will not have any Control of what is taught in American Schools. Once they have Control of Education, the Socialists and Educrats in Washington D.C. will morph education into what THEY think YOUR children SHOULD learn...Socialism.Â Communism.

If Common Core Lives, Freedom Dies.

http://www.killcommoncore.com

I never use formulas or calculus that I took in Math in High School and College. I believe that the fundamentals of Math would be to learn how to think for oneself. I do believe that the schools should slowly introduce the new system into our schools, however they may be more lenient on our students grades and work with them on finding away to communicate their thoughts in regards to the math problems. The parents should not be focused on the grades, they need to be focused on what the child will be learning for their future.

From John Taylor Gatto's book The Underground History of American Education

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJD4A6p18UM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUBN54-yDmg-lsAoBzHHCWIQ

This student does more to explain why Common Core is a bad bad idea. He does a brilliant job of showing that common core is nothing more than a system engineered to make mindless robots out of children while punishing teachers by taking learning out of the class room and replacing it with memorization and useless requirements that do all harm and no good.Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprP5TCZBRI#t=35

This kid in Tennessee just OWNED uber-leftist socialists like Math "Teacher" X with this dynamite speech TAKING DOWN the fallacy that is this socialistic "Common Core" horses**t.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/14/watch-this-high-school-seniors-epic-takedown-of-common-core-video/

Obviously this kid was actually TAUGHT something in school instead of Math "Teacher" X's "everybody is equal and everyone is a winner! Yea!!" cirriculum.

Jesus my brain hurts after reading some of these comments on why this is a GOOD thing...

THIS is exactly why I no longer watch ANY news, regardless of station or ideology, as none of it is worth the time wasted putting out to the masses.

"A man who reads nothing is far smarter than a man who reads nothing but newspapers." -- Thomas Jefferson - Third President of The United States of America; 1789

Sounds like socialism to me, which should suit Chairman MAObama and his delusional sheeple just fine... thank GOD that they're in the OVERWHELMING minority.

Keep removing the kids.Â This curriculum is educated wasted.

Public schools should be privatized.

I keep seeing posts that say 3X4=12. Is it? Consider this:

Three friends have exactly $10 each for a grand total of $30. Hungry, they decide to split a large takeout dinner that costs $30. Each gives the clerk his $10 bill. One guy remembers he has a $5 off coupon. The clerk hands them back five $1 bills. Not easily split three ways, they each take $1 and put $2 in the clerks tip jar.

Once home, one gets upset. He complains the clerk ripped them off.Â

âHow so?â

I paid $9 for this meal, I had $10 and I got $1 back. We each paid $9, for a total of $27. Then we put $2 in the clerks tip jar. Thatâs 3X9=27. 27+2=29. We started with $30, the clerk had already ripped us off for $1!

Don't blame the teachers. The Common Core Standards are mandated top down--all the way from the federal government, to the individual states, to the school districts, to the administrators, and finally to the teachers. Basically, we are told what we must teach and don't have much say.Â

Although I am not a Catholic, I agree with the Catholic scholars interpretation of the Common Core Standards. Â They are intended to prepare students for the assumed demands of colleges and corporations, not for living as independent thinkers in a democratic society. Â Actually, the creators of the standards have misread what is needed for success in the corporate world, so all they're really preparing students for is uniformity and compliance. Â Much of what they want students to know and do will never be of much use and will be quickly forgotten. Â What do you remember of school algebra or trigonometry? Â How often do you compare and contrast the features of two pieces of literature or analyze the narrator's point of view? Â A good education enables students to grow up in their morality, judgment, compassion, perseverance, Â dedication to principles, and love for the world's gifts. Â Studying math and literature are only the instruments that temporarily serve those ends.

Damn kids, get off of my lawn!

"You don't have to answer that, Rian. That's an aggressive question," the spokeswoman said.

Here is the crux of why our schools fail.Â Thank you

I must admit.Â I like numbers, but when it got to advanced levels of math in middle and high school, I found myself having much better success when thinking of a "word-problem" rather than simply looking at the numbers.Â I'm not familiar with the product myself, but I'd be willing to bet that posing math questions in the form of a word problem probably 1) boosts real-world comprehension of the math skill and 2) probably generates actual learning, rather than simply being a "test-taker"

Group work in math? Â You've got to be kidding me. Â Math needs to be completed on an individual basis. Â There is nothing to discuss. Â You either know how to complete the problem or you don't. Â When you are hired by someone to do a job that requires math, you aren't going to be doing calculations as part of a group. Â

My understanding is the answer is no longer what they are teaching.Â Evidently you can say 1+1 is 3 as long as you show how you came up with the incorrect answer.

Some kids excel at math and just "Know" the answer.Â I know that for some things I use methods that would probably give me an F in a common core math class because I got the right answer but didn't get it using "their" technique.

1+1 will always be 2, regardless of some new technique on how to figure it.Â The world wants people who can give the correct answer, not tell you why the wrong answer is okay.

Math is math. What's the problem? I do not find this article illuminating.

I really do not understand the problem.Â In the example they gave 3 x 2.5 = 7.5 and then they just turned it into a "story problem".Â That is what I would call giving a real life example of the math equation.Â If these peoples kids are not able to do this then they should get D's and F's.Â In other words if they can not apply math to real life, then they will fail at real life.Â Take this from a family who already home-schools.Â I usually never defend public school, but I guess I will have to today.

@thirteenburnÂ I didn't say anything of the kind.Â Â Sorry to confuse you with actual experience and facts.Â Go on back to your Tea Party meeting and figure out how to hate something else.Â Good luck with that.

@Terry McÂ Sure, Terry.Â Check the results the charter schools are getting.Â I mean, fairly look at how they are doing.Â In my district, the charter schools are 30 to 50% below the results of the public schools.Â What a waste.Â If you privatize, you will emphasize profit.Â To do that, schools will cut special education (too much money for relatively few students benefit) and similar programs, Good luck getting your WalMart type school to try to work with behaviorally disordered kids!Â To steal a line from Aksala below, those kids who don't fit in the nice little box will be discarded.

@highdesertÂ Good morning girls and boys. now for today's lesson, tell me, what is wrong with theÂ word problem lesson? yes, idiot girl in the back of the class, it is confusing by re-apeating the number-'$30...yes,stupid steve, your right, English grammar is not consistant as a writer should be-good-god, how did they get that job that pays good money....anyway... and -yes, silly sally ahhh, the people in charge are teaching un-common sence of how to pay the the clerk properly-.question teacher...do these made up characters pay individually or, does one person gather the potluck money, while others get in their cars?,

@highdesertÂ Just goes to prove the whole "common core" of the problem - doesn't it?Â Faulty 'reasoning' ------ whereas the knowledge of simple MATHÂ FACTS would lead one to say -- we started off paying $30, she gave $5 back ($30-$5=$25) So we paid $25.Â The three of usÂ then kept a dollar each of the $5 leaving $2 ($5-$3=$2) and the remaining $2 we gave as a tip. ($25 paid + $3 kept +$2 tip = $30)

The original "We each paid $9 because we each got $1 back" -- FAULTY MATH -- because the waitress gave them $5 not $3 ---- therefore the reasoning is wrong -- but it does NOT change the simple fact that $25 +$5 =$30 ----- so, SOMEONE please tell me -- HOW can you DERIVE that 25+5=30?!!?!!?Â Guess what -- you CAN'T without utilizing the SIMPLE MATH FACT THAT 25 + 5 = 30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Â So, remind me again, EXACTLY WHAT is the issue with the old system?Â BECAUSE EVEN YOUR NEW SYSTEM RELIES ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Â All you fools are doing is SLOWING DOWN the education process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, have I explained it clearly enough for you?Â Or are you simply too dim-witted to figure out that you are being played for fools by the proponents of the Common Core system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@KelkyÂ Actually, you are wrong -- you have a voice -- and, as a teacher, your responsibility is the true and proper education of your students -- you KNOW Common Core will not provide this -- therefore you have a moral obligation to take a stand and help educate others --- help them see and recognize Common Core for what it is and therefore take a stand TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@jpdx00Â nailed it!

@jpdx00Â That's an aggressive comment, I don't have to respond.

@pdxd2thesequelÂ The point is people learned by the numbers for how many decades with no problems?

@MargaretÂ Math is more than calculations. In sovling complex problems, you certainly are going to be working in a group - and maybeÂ even doing calculations together

@Owt_RagedÂ This is absolute nonsense.Â The kids who just "know" the answer are simply not well trained in communicating their thinking.Â In my experience, those kids eventuallyÂ fade away rather than exploiting their "gift" because they never learn the discipline needed to document their process, because why would they?Â After all, they just "know"..

And by the way, as a former business owner, the "world" surely does NOT want people who just give the correct answer!Â They want people who can derive the correct answer AND explain how they know they are correct.Â In every business, workers who insist that they "just know" end up being left out of decision making positions, because too much is at stake to risk a miscalculation.

@Owt_RagedÂ The difference is between a kid learning why 1+1 = 2 or learning that if you see 1+1 write a 2 on the other side on the equal sign and you'll getÂ a thumbs up. Eventually, the kid will understand his/her mistake and learn from it.

@DilloTankÂ This is the problem...I posted this below

Common Core Math....where 3*4 can = 11 if you can explain how you came up with the answer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW0VxxoCrNo

Teacher - Even if they said 3*4 is 11, if they can explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer with words and oral explainations and they showed it in the picture but got the final number wrong, we are more focusing on the how and the...

Parent - You would be correcting them right

Teacher - Absolutely, we want our students to compute correctly but the emphasis is really moving more towards the explaination and the how and the why and can I talk through the procedures of how I came to that answer and not just knowing it is 12 but why is it 12....how do I know that.

@poorsobÂ Hey -- poor sob, just curious -- have you even researched common core?Â It is about far more than just math.....

@poorsobÂ Look at the video above....a math teacher argues that if a kid says 3*4=11 as long as they can explain how they got the answer they consider it a correct answer! Â That is the problem and you defend it? Â really?

@math teacher xÂ @Terry McÂ Terry appears to have all the answers. Â The idea that education should be privatized is nothing less than ludicrous.

@jpdx00Â @pdxd2thesequelÂ But can they apply the problem to the "real world".Â Remember this is not high school yet.Â I do not quite see the problem with using this broader spectrum and determining what numbers or facts are not relevant to solving the problem.Â

@Max QuinnÂ @MargaretÂ Save that crap for college

@math teacher xÂ @Owt_RagedÂ

you're telling me that as a business owner you prefer someone who takes the time to get incorrect answers versus someone who gets a correct one quickly? pardon me if I call bull trash...

math is an exact science, either you're right or your not. if a student gets the right answer by talking to a pencil eraser then it's good as far as I'm concerned, math is supposed to be about the answer, and there is no room for existential debate...Â

@Max QuinnÂ @Owt_RagedÂ so, Max -- WHY does 1 + 1Â = 2?Â You seem to feel it is so important for our young children to be able to understand/explain it -- go ahead, be my guest --- EXPLAIN IT!!!!

@lmanwarrenÂ @poorsobI have done some research and I do not like it one bit.Â I am just pointing out what was stated in the video by Dan Cassuto above.Â It makes these ladies and their children look dumb.Â Watch it again and you will see what I mean. I guess it is just bad reporting and if I was any of these ladies I would be pissed.Â As I stated above, we already home school for many, many reasons and this is one of them.

@B SmizzleThat is not part of the headlined article.Â Did you watch the main story?Â It was 3 x 2.5 = 7.5 written as a story problem that they think it too hard.Â Is it?Â I agree that 3 x 4 = 12 and nothing else, but that is not what the original story said was the problem.Â It was a real world application of math which is what they should be doing.Â Watch it again and you will see what I am saying.Â Maybe Dan Cassuto does not have the story correct (which is entirely possible).

Â

@thirteenburnÂ Tennessee loves you, I am sure. Â Hatfield or McCoy?

@SomonecaresaboutsomethingÂ You should really stop talking as you're mind-numbing proof that Common Core is an abject failure.

@Somonecaresaboutsomething

@math teacher x

Â @Terry Mc

Â Â I couldn't agree more -- absolutely ludicrous -- to think that an education can be given without the guidance of the federal government -- pft!!Â I mean he makes it sound as though schools started as private one-room school buildings or something!Â I mean EVERYONE knows that education has always been federally controlled -- and look at the amazing job our schools are doing -- heck we rank number one among all the nations with regards to our children's education!!!Â (Ooooops, my bad - we don't even come close to number one!!!!!!)

"The United States is no longer the world leader in secondary education, according to the rankings of an international organization. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development places the United States 18th among the 36 nations examined," USA Today)Â --- In actuality -- according to these statistics, we are even worse -- ranking the LOWEST on reading skills!!!Â http://www.geographic.org/country_ranks/educational_score_performance_country_ranks_2009_oecd.htm

BTW -- notice how I supported my comments with factual, researchableÂ EVIDENCE?!Â Something both of you (math teacher, and somoenecares) FAILED to do -- all you did was make blanket statements without a shred of evidence to back it ----so much for YOUR public education!Â By the way "Math teacher"Â I'm a high school chemistry and biology teacher at a private school --- I challenge you -- test score comparisons between my school and yours!!!!Â Why don't you put your money where your footÂ -- pardon me, mouth is -- (I'm sure your foot can be removed temporarily)

You want to slam private schools?! BRING IT!

@jpdx00Â Yea, thanks for that. Your insight on education is... well.. insightful....

@thirteenburnÂ @math teacher xÂ very well stated thirteenburn!

@math teacher xÂ With every insipid and socialist word that spews forth from your mouth like so much oral diarrhea is DIRECT AND DAMNING proof as to the fact that our schools no longer teach normalÂ cirriculum but are in fact, indoctrinating our kids to be socialists, where "everyone is a winner and no one Â looses." I'm just waiting for "teachers" like MTX to ban grades altogether, as that way, everyone feels equal.

P.C. is for those people too weak minded to handle the REALITIES and TRUTHS of everyday life, period.

"Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play." -- Joseph Goebbels - Minister of Propaganda/Socialist Nazi Party; 1938.

I'm just sayin'...

@math teacher xÂ @Erik NervikÂ @Owt_RagedÂ -- so, Math teacher -- please, by all means, explain to us how you DERIVE the correct answer that 1+1=2....

@Erik NervikÂ @math teacher xÂ @Owt_RagedÂ Please read it correctly, sir.Â I said, as a business owner, my experience was that the world wanted someone who could derive the CORRECT answer and explain how they know they are correct, not someone who comes up with an answer without support.Â You must be able to both prove what you know is correctly calculated, as well as to communicate your reasoning.Â Bull trash, indeed.

@poorsobÂ @B SmizzleÂ I am sorry you are too lazy to scroll up for like one second. Â I don't worry about the story problem that is correct....I worry about this teacher telling us that 3*4=11 is correct in ANY circumstance!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW0VxxoCrNo

Tell me you are okay with your kids learning this BS!

@poorsobÂ @B SmizzleÂ poor sob -- do me a favor -- explain to me exactly how writing 3 x 2.5 = 7.5 as a story problem is any different than writing it as an number problem?Â It still does NOT EXPLAIN how the answer can be DERIVED --- $20 bucks says YOU cannot explain how 1+1=2 is DERIVED without the pure and simple knowledge that 1+1 EQUALS 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!