Attempted carjacking: Dad says he's trying to get son on right path
PORTLAND, Ore. – The father of an 11-year-old boy accused of trying to carjack a woman in a church parking lot said his son was running with the wrong crowd and he is trying to get his son on the right path.
KATU On Your Side Investigator Thom Jensen spoke exclusively to the father of the 11-year-old boy Monday night. The 11-year-old and another boy, 7, are accused of demanding a woman’s car, money and phone at gunpoint outside a Southeast Portland church over the weekend. That woman, Amy Garrett, refused.
Police later caught up with the boys and confronted them. Police said they found a loaded handgun in the pocket of the 11-year-old.
"My son said they had basically acquired the gun from a local troublemaker in the neighborhood," the father told KATU News.
He said it was the younger boy who had the gun and took off for the church parking lot.
"My son basically ran and tried to chase after him to try to get it back from him," the father said. "Once they got outside, apparently she was sitting outside, the younger kid had approached her and started making reference to the gun of some sort. ... My boy didn't actually realize what he was saying to her and he turned around and all he heard was 'show her the piece, show her the piece' and he said, 'Shut up, you're being stupid.'"
But police and Garrett told KATU while the 7-year-old said, 'Show her your piece,' it was in fact the older boy who flashed a gun in his waistband, saying he had a .22-caliber handgun cocked and ready to fire.
The victim also said the 11-year-old threatened her at one point saying he would "blow your head off."
Others in the neighborhood said Monday this isn't the first time the 11-year-old has caused mischief, recently throwing rocks at a business and harassing a woman for money.
"I've told him – said there's been a thing or two I've done in the past I'm not too proud of," said the 11-year-old boy's father.
The father, whom KATU is not identifying, has served time behind bars. He's been trying to educate his son, whom he says used to hang out with the wrong crowd, before it's too late.
"He's actively taking his own steps to get involved with church youth group," the father said.
The boy's father said he isn't dismissing how serious this is and is worried about what could happen legally. He said his son has a big heart and that he wrote a letter of apology to the church, saying his son knows what a big deal this is.
Neighborhood Meeting
While the 11-year-old's father spoke to KATU, about two dozen neighbors met to discuss what should happen next.
Children have to be 12 years old to be placed in juvenile detention, and so the 7- and 11-year-old boys were turned back over to their parents this weekend. And that is very troubling to folks in the community who say they want action after several earlier run-ins with the 11-year-old boy.
"I've done this for 25 years, and I've never heard of anything like this before," said Portland Police Bureau Lt. Frank Gorgoni, who hoped his presence at the Centennial Community Association meeting could calm homeowners' concerns.
"Every officer knows where these kids live, the address of the houses, there's an extra patrol," he told the crowd.
What he heard, though, were new stories of neighbors' run-ins with the same 11-year-old accused in Saturday's attempted carjacking outside the Freedom Foursquare Church, including what Leslie Hendrix said happened when the boy stole her son's scooter.
"He actually came back a week later and kind of flashed a knife at my husband," she said.
Hendrix never called police to report what happened, which is something she now regrets with the two boys back at home and her own kids, also ages 7 and 11, sharing the same street.
"I might see him every day. Is he going to have another gun; is he going to have another knife? You never know," Hendrix said.
That's the hardest part for neighbors to accept, waiting for the legal process to play out.
"I would predict that there's going to be movement on all of this very soon," Gorgoni told neighbors.
Hendrix never imagined needing to have this kind of discussion with her kids.
"It's tough, especially for the 7-year-old. The 11-year-old understands, but the 7-year-old, I think, we'll have to do some more with her," she said.
While they all wait, Gorgoni advised the best thing neighbors can do is call police if the kids are out causing problems again.
"We need reports," he said. "We need not something that happened before, we need now."
There was a great contrast Monday night between neighbors' stories of their own encounters with the 11-year-old boy for threats or vandalism, and what the boy's father told KATU News.
It is important to note that while KATU was interviewing Garrett over the weekend, the 11-year-old walked right up to KATU’s camera crew, clearly frightening Garrett.
KATU News reporter Thom Jensen contributed to this report.
No one knows this guy like I do, I used to lve by them.He has tried to control his kids, but they never lsiten. I used to play with the 11 year old, he does have big heart, and he did realize what he has done wrong when he makes a mistake. His parents tried, but they were going through tough times like the rest of America. His older son was just lonely, he didn't know what to do. He would be bullied and I would stand up for him. SO can everyone please think abot what the other part of the story is!!!
Ugh, I'd hate to be this guy. Not because of the legal stuff, or the prison, or any of that. But to have to look in the mirror every day and fully realize what a failure I was as a father and a man. God, that would suck.
I knew this father was lying. Now he's been arrested because it's his gun that his 11 year old son took. Now the truth comes out. What a scumbag.
A father in denial. Doesn't want to admit he's a failure as a father.Â
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Seems to fit pretty well. You can count on a danger to society unless these kids are REMOVED from these horrible parents.
I feel NO compuction in stating that these kids should be TAKEN FROM THESE PARENTS, permanently. They are FAILING as parents and creating the Devils spawn. These kids are going to grow up to be the worst people imaginable if someone doesn't at least attempt to change the course of these childrens lives.Â
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@tptpttp Karma bit him on the *ss, thankfully. Guess he should have thought (like anyone else with a functioning brain) that kids should not have access to guns. Let that guy sit in jail a while and think about it...
 @tptpttp Wow. It just keeps getting better! Thanks for sharing this. I hadn't seen this yet.
Another reason why some should be neutered and not allowed to propagate. Â Especially convicted felons like this guy, no wonder the kids got a loaded 22 and is out causing trouble. Â I'll bet the dad ignores him except to beat on him, especially when he's drunk or on drugs, which he clearly is.
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It's really too bad how easy it is for any lowlife to have children...
What a lying loser this guy is. Â He's so full of it, his eyes are brown. Â
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Jensen should've tackled him, he likes to 'brag' about how many fights he's been in (400) and how he'll fight at the drop of a hat. No anger management issues there, nor any control issues, either. Â
Walk them through a prison cell block. Let the prisoners intimidate them and maybe it will scare them a little.
Always blaming Parents for a child who is unmanageable is not always right. Some times we end up with a child who is simply unmanageable from the beginning. They have a personality disorder. So before you yell poor parenting.  Though I am not suggesting that is NOT the case, since I do not know the family as others commenting do not know the family. Dad could be a bit better example by pulling up his pants! Other than that I can not make a decission. And he sounds as if he believes the Kids or is covering for them.
 @Yamhill354 So if that is the case, the kid being completely unmanageable from day one, I'd be interested in hearing what help the parent(s) sought prior to this.  I'd be a lot more sympathetic if it were evident that the kid had been in therapy, the parent(s) had taken parenting classes or had asked for help in anyway.  If they have done any of this, I haven't heard about it.
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 @Yamhill354 That was my first thought as well, as i had a brother who was evil from birth. We had two very loving parents who tried everything with him but nothing worked. But in this case i do think the parents are part of the problem.The day after this happened the 11 yo was walking around like nothing had happened, and was even so bold to walk up to the victim (scared her even more) and a reporter interviewing her. He should not have been out like that the day after being accused of attempted armed robbery. But according to this story the dad doesn't think it was his sons fault and seems to be placing the blame on everyone but his own child.
 @mamabear  @Yamhill354 No one's 'evil from birth', be serious. Â
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And i fully believe he was born that way, something is seriously wrong with his head.
 @P R Severe Sorry but I stand by my comment. My brother is and always  has always been evil, at age 5 he tried to light me on fire (my mom was loading groceries in the car and he grabbed the car lighter and burned me with it) . I still have the scars from that incident. He had the same upbringing as my sibling and i, same loving parents, nothing different.  He even tried things just as bad younger than that. He had a very comfortable life, nothing traumatic, he is just pure evil.My last contact with him was when he threatened to rape me, murder my family and burn down my house (with my parents living with us while my mom was going through chemo)  The police wouldn't do anything about it because he lived in another state, even though we recorded the conversation and played it for them.
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@mamabear @Yamhill354  Yep. It doesnt sound like he had to suffer any consquences of his actions. This is a sure way to reinforce his negative behaviour. Total lack of Parental Responsibility.
Looking at my kid, I have a really hard time wrapping my head around the thought of someone that age threatening to car jack someone or running around with a gun....just crazy.
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A lot of the blame goes to the Albina Ministerial Aliance for blaming the white establishment for everything and always whitewashing the blacks who commit the crimes and refuse to take school seriously and join gangs and thieve and murder and maime. They should look at their own problems before pointing the finger elsewhere.
@hankhandsome Well, the father turns out to be white, so what do you have to say, now?
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 @hankhandsome That is a pretty goofy rant.
I would love to hear the victims response to this dads claims. The dad is going on what his son told him. Of course the  son is going to lie to protect his own butt.He wrote a letter of apology to the church? WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIM?  He doesn't need to apologize to the church, he needs to apologize to the victim! It is obvious the kids are not being properly suprivised,  This boy (and the 7 yo) need to be removed from these homes and  locked up while getting some mental and emotional help. Some may not agree with this but if the kid has threatened people with a gun and a knife already it shows they are a threat to the community. I don't buy the bull that Juvenile hall isn't prepared for kids this  young, what if they had fired the gun, what if they had hurt someone? You can bet they would have figured out a way to lock them up. These kids committed a felony and they should be kept away from society until they get the help they need. It is obvious they have not been taught right from wrong.I am also surprised to find out that the 7 yo is a girl, that is extremely shocking to me.
@mamabear The 7 year old in the gun incident is a boy. The woman at the meeting also has kids of the same age. Her 7 year old is a girl.
Seems plain and clear that the father is a type that his child does no wrong clearly blaming the 7 year old, What a sad start to a young life, and father bieng in and out of jail does not help, And who has wrong crowds at that age REALLY?? I know theres some crazy kids out there but 7 and 11,, I hope justice gets served and I hope for now on people are calling the police if these kids are menacing!
Amen! At that age it boils down to parental supervision!
"whom he says used to hang out with the wrong crowd" What, he was hanging out with the wrong crowd when he was in 2nd grade? What a tool. Bad tree, bad seed.
 @JGalt Kids in 2nd grade, even in 1st, are "worse" than you can imagine.  No surprise though, with crap like Grand Theft Auto, Saw movies, and these "parents" let their kids do and watch it all.  I know a 5-yr. old girl who has seen and played it all, the drunk ex-army grunt old goat dad doesn't give a damn at all.
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Dad's criminal past clearly shows he knows how to hang out with the wrong crowd.
IMO the dad is probably one of those parents who think their child is never at fault... I know the type all too well.My youngest son is around the same age and he can be a challenge at times, as can most of his friends and classmates. I know so many parents who think their sweet little angel could never do wrong and always blame the other kid, which is exactly what this dad sounds like. I know most parents want to believe their kids can't do wrong, and want to see the good in them, but for me, I know my son does make mistakes and does make bad decisions (not as bad as this kid though) and when something happens, i try and get both sides of the story. I can't tell you how many times i have dealt with parents who always blame everyone else but their own child, even if multiple witnesses say their child is the one in the wrong.Numerous times i have had angry parents knock on my door blaming my child saying whatever happened was all his fault. After talking to both kids we usually  find that both kids are at fault and the parents always seem shocked that their precious little angel could do something like that."I would bet the 11 yo wasn't grounded because the dad bought the bs that he didn't do anything wrong (and that is why the kid was out the next day approaching the victim/news crew)  I am sure the dad thinks he is protecting his child but by letting his son get away with this he is not doing him any favors at all and it will come back to bite him in the butt.As for hanging with the wrong crowd, as a parent you can tell your child who they can and cannot hang out with. They may not like it but oh well, you are the parent NOT THEIR FRIEND!  Keep an eye on them, know where they are, and who they are hanging out with. It is called being a parent!
There is also no excuse for a 7 yo to be running around unsupervised like that. At 11 kids are generally getting more freedoms, but at 7 they should not be out unsupervised at all (IMO)Â
The parents need to be involved in a parenting class and counseling.  More than likely their background wasn't  a positive growing up situation eith. This child is crying out for attention.  No doubt he is trouble at school also. Â
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It would be good for them to be involved in the PALS police program that is close by and/or the Camp Fire Program in David Dougls.
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You all go ahead and blame the father.  I blame the parents and the whole neighborhood.   This kid is running around being a menace and no one does or says nothing until now.   Sham on you.Â
braut, it's "shame". Sham on you is more like.........hmmmmmm, like sham-wow.
it's "shame". Sham on you is more like.........hmmmmmm, like sham-wow.
@brautigan People who have been shown the knife has spoken to the mother of the child. Nothing was done. Shame on you for being an idiot.
Anyone with half a brain can see the father is lying and trying to cover up for his son. In other words, the son and the dad has learned ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Being the case, there is *NO* reason to spare these kids or this father any leliency. These monsters should not be allowed to breed. PERIOD. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE. Now thugs everywhere are going to recruit kids under 12 years old to do their dirty work. Go rob a bank, steal, and kill. How sad. And what a stupid law. If a 10 year old got a hold of an automatic weapon and started spraying their school, a mall, or the movie theatre, you're saying there's nothing police can do about it? The idiot can drop the weapon, and police will take him or her straight home for a nice cup of hot cocoa! These two little demons must be dealt with now. I don't care how young they are. Demons are demons. The parents (or lack thereof) must be immediately nutered The alternative is to send in Seal Team 6. Evil must not allowed to breed and fester. The next victim will be you, your wife, husband, children or parent.
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It's pretty clear what these two kids have lived with and learned.
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Im in my 20s and from growing up with a no good family life I can tell most of you havent gone through crap. Saying Dad is this dad is that hes not doing anything right...thing is if he doesnt say anything you guys all will rip him apart, he could say im going to punish the crap out of him noone would think its enough...all the so called perfect families some of my friends had that their parents were there for them and were "good parents" those kids were the biggest maniacs, they knew it was wrong they still did it. looks to me this dad is actually there for the kid so out of most people i'd say its all the kid and maybe not so much on dad..obviously the dad maybe bad idk him personally but dont put all push on him IMO.
 @T Considering the dad has served time for felony assault himself, and likes to threaten the neighbors with a baseball bat, I would say its not rocket science to find the bad influence. Not to mention the fact he was out roaming freely alone the very next day shows there were no consequences at home as a result of what he had done.
@T The father is LYING. What does that tell you about him? What message does that send the kid? That it's ok to do this and lie about it? It's people like you who condone these kind of behaviors that encourage them to continue doing this. I wish that you were in the car instead of Amy.
 @T Since the kid is too young for the juvenile justice system, the public HAS TO look to the father for a solution to this problem.
WTF are you trying to say? You are not exactly coherent here.
I think we need mrs. cleaver to interpret ??
My sister and brother in law raised a son that was always in trouble. He never learned respect or responsibility, and his parents never taught it to him. As he got older he could never keep a job more then two weeks. He never moved out of his parents home. Everything he did wrong, his parents would cover it up with lies and of course it was everyone's fault, NOT his and theirs! All he ever wanted to do was sleep all day, and party at night and make BAD choice! He spent many a day in jail. He was hard to love, but I did, and when he OD and died a year and a half ago, my sister blamed everyone else but themselves! On this country many have moved away from "GOD" and many just want to do their own thing! We live in a self centered world where some parents don't care about their children! A seven year old and a eleven year running around these drug filled streets by themselves, and parents who have their self serving heads in the sand!!!
@BlessedLife That's why I've always believed some idiots should not be allowed to breed.