'Perversion files' show locals helped cover up

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Again and again, decade after decade, an array of authorities — police chiefs, prosecutors, pastors and local Boy Scout leaders among them — quietly shielded scoutmasters and others accused of molesting children, a newly opened trove of confidential papers shows.
At the time, those authorities justified their actions as necessary to protect the good name and good works of Scouting, a pillar of 20th century America. But as detailed in 14,500 pages of secret "perversion files" released Thursday by order of the Oregon Supreme Court, their maneuvers allowed sexual predators to go free while victims suffered in silence.
The files are a window on a much larger collection of documents the Boy Scouts of America began collecting soon after their founding in 1910. The files, kept at Boy Scout headquarters in Texas, consist of memos from local and national Scout executives, handwritten letters from victims and their parents and newspaper clippings about legal cases. The files contain details about proven molesters, but also unsubstantiated allegations.
The allegations stretch across the country and to military bases overseas, from a small town in the Adirondacks to downtown Los Angeles.
At the news conference Thursday, Portland attorney Kelly Clark blasted the Boy Scouts for their continuing legal battles to try to keep the full trove of files secret.
"You do not keep secrets hidden about dangers to children," said Clark, who in 2010 won a landmark lawsuit against the Boy Scouts on behalf of a plaintiff who was molested by an assistant scoutmaster in the 1980s.
Clark's colleague, attorney Paul Mones, said the files "show how pedophiles operate, how child molesters infiltrate youth organizations."
"These guys (abusers) basically were in a candy store, the way they thought about it," Mones said.
The Associated Press obtained copies of the files weeks in advance of Thursday's release and conducted an extensive review of them.
The files were shown to a jury in a 2010 Oregon civil suit that the Scouts lost, and the Oregon Supreme Court ruled the files should be made public. After months of objections and redactions, the Scouts and Clark released them.
In many instances — more than a third, according to the Scouts' own count — police weren't told about the reports of abuse. And even when they were, sometimes local law enforcement still did nothing, seeking to protect the name of Scouting over their victims.
Victims like three brothers, growing up in northeast Louisiana.
On the afternoon of Aug. 10, 1965, their distraught mother walked into the third floor of the Ouachita Parish Sheriff's Office. A 31-year-old scoutmaster, she told the chief criminal deputy, had raped one of her sons and molested two others.
Six days later, the scoutmaster, an unemployed airplane mechanic, sat down in front of a microphone in the same station, said he understood his rights and confessed: He had sexually abused the woman's sons more than once.
"I don't know how to tell it," the man told a sheriff's deputy. "They just occurred — I don't know an explanation, why we done it or I done it or wanted to do it or anything else it just — an impulse I guess or something.
"As far as an explanation I just couldn't dig one up."
He wouldn't have to. Seven days later, the decision was made not to pursue charges against the scoutmaster.
The last sliver of hope for justice for the abuse of two teenagers and an 11-year-old boy slipped away in a confidential letter from a Louisiana Scouts executive to the organization's national personnel division in New Jersey.
"This subject and Scouts were not prosecuted," the executive wrote, "to save the name of Scouting."
Many stories of pedophiles in the Scouts
An Associated Press review of the files found that the story of these brothers and their scoutmaster, however horrendous, was not unique.
The files released Thursday were collected between 1959 and 1985, with a handful of others from later years. Some have been released previously, but others — those from prior to 1971, including the story of the three scouts in Ouachita Parish — have been made public for the first time.
The documents reveal that on many occasions the files succeeded in keeping pedophiles out of Scouting leadership positions — the reason why they were collected in the first place. But the files are also littered with horrific accounts of alleged pedophiles who were able to continue in Scouting because of pressure from community leaders and local Scouts officials.
The files also document other troubling patterns. There is little mention in the files of concern for the welfare of Scouts who were abused by their leaders, or what was done for the victims. But there are numerous documents showing compassion for alleged abusers, who were often times sent to psychiatrists or pastors to get help.
In 1972, a local Scouting executive beseeched national headquarters to drop the case against a suspected abuser because he was undergoing professional treatment and was personally taking steps to solve his problem. "If it don't stink, don't stir it," the local executive wrote.
Scouting's efforts to keep abusers out were often disorganized. There's at least one memo from a local Scouting executive pleading for better guidance on how to handle abuse allegations. Sometimes the pleading went the other way, with national headquarters begging local leaders for information on suspected abusers, and the locals dragging their feet.
In numerous instances, alleged abusers are kicked out of Scouting but show up in jobs where they are once again in authority positions dealing with youths.
The files also show Scouting volunteers serving in the military overseas, molesting American children living abroad and sometimes continuing to molest after returning to the states.
But one of the most startling revelations to come from the files is the frequency with which attempts to protect Scouts from molesters collapsed at the local level, at times in collusion with community leaders.
It happened when a local district attorney declined to prosecute two confessed offenders; when a three-judge panel included two men on the local Scouting executive board; when law enforcement sought to protect the name of Scouting and let an admitted child molester go free.
Their actions represent a stark betrayal, says Clark, who won the case that opened the files to public view. "It's kind of a deal. The deal is, our society will give you incredible status and respect, Norman Rockwell will paint pictures of you, and in exchange for that, you take care of our kids," Clark said. "That's the deal, incredible respect and privilege. But there was a worm in the apple."
The Louisiana case certainly contained all the essentials for a police investigation and, perhaps, a conviction: The scoutmaster admitted to raping a 17-year-old boy on a camping trip and otherwise sexually molesting two other boys; the victims corroborated his confession. But evidently, no charges were ever filed.
The man was let off with a warning that should he be found with young men in the future, he was subject to immediate incarceration at the state prison.
The man "was asked to leave the parish, and if he was caught around or near any boy or youth organization, he would be sent to state prison immediately," a Scouting executive wrote to national headquarters. "We are indeed sorry that Scouting was involved."
Boy Scouts look into past cases
With the deadline to disclose the files looming, the Scouts in late September made public an internal review of the files and said they would look into past cases to see whether there were times when men they suspected of sex abuse should have been reported to police.
The files showed a "very low" incidence of abuse among Scout leaders, said psychiatrist Dr. Jennifer Warren, who conducted the review with a team of graduate students and served as an expert witness for the Scouts in the 2010 case that made the files public. Her review of the files didn't take into account the number of files destroyed on abusers who turned 75 years old or died, something she said would not have significantly affected the rate of abuse or her conclusions.
The rate of abuse among Scouts is the not the focus of their critics — it is, rather, their response to allegations of abuse. In the case of the files from 1965 to 1985, most salient is the complicity of local officials in concealing the abuse by Scouts leaders.
Warren told the AP such complicity "was simply quite a natural desire to want to be somewhat protective over (the BSA)."
Certain cases, well-detailed by the Scouts, illustrate how it happened.
In Newton, Kan., in 1961, the county attorney had what he needed for a prosecution: Two men were arrested and admitted that they had molested Scouts in their care.
One of the men said he held an all-night party at his house, during which he brought 10 boys, one by one, into a room where he committed, in his words, "immoral acts." The same man said he had molested Scouts on an outing two weeks prior to the interrogation.
But neither man was prosecuted. Once again, a powerful local official sought to preserve the name of Scouting.
The entire investigation, the county attorney wrote, was brought about with the cooperation of a local district Scouts executive, who was kept apprised of the investigation's progress into the men, who had affiliations with both the Scouts and the local YMCA.
"I came to the decision that to openly prosecute would cause great harm to the reputations of two organizations which we have involved here — the Boy Scouts of America and the local YMCA," he wrote in a letter to a Kansas Scouting executive.
He went on to say that the community would have to pay too great a price for the punishment of the two men. "The damage thusly done to these organizations would be serious and lasting," he wrote.
Boy Scouts name was kept out of the spotlight
When cases against Scouts volunteers or executives went forward, locals often tried and sometimes managed to keep the organization's name out of court documents and the media, protecting a valuable brand.
In Johnstown, Pa., in August 1962, a married 25-year-old steel mill worker with a high school education pleaded guilty to "serious morals" violations involving Scouts.
The Scouting executive who served as both mayor and police chief made sure of one thing: The Scouting name was never brought up. It went beyond the mayor to the members of a three-judge panel, who also deemed it important to keep the Scouts' names out of the press.
"No mention of Scouting was involved in the case in as much as two of the three judges who pronounced sentence are members of our Executive Board," the Scouts executive wrote to the national personnel division.
In Rutland, Vt., in 1964, William J. Moreau pleaded guilty to "having lewd relations" with an 11-year-old Scout, according to a contemporary newspaper account. According to the files, the 11-year-old was one of a dozen Scouts who stayed overnight at Vermont's Camp Sunrise. The Scouts, as is demonstrated repeatedly in the files, talked to the parents about their concern for "the name of the Scouting movement" if charges were brought, but were rebuffed — the parents were insistent on filing charges.
Moreau, a 27-year-old insurance adjuster and assistant Scoutmaster, resigned his position, but a local prosecutor and the police department made sure the Scouting name was never publicly associated with the crime, despite the fact that the abuse was conducted by a Scoutmaster on Scouts at a Scout camp.
"The States Attorney with whom I talked late last night and the local police assure me they will do everything in their power to keep Scouting's name and Camp Sunrise out of this," a local Scouts executive wrote in a letter to the national council headquarters.
In newspaper clippings attached to the files detailing Moreau's charges and his plea, no mention of the Scouts is ever made.
Scouts adopt mandatory reporting in 2010
Over the years, the mandatory reporting of suspicions of child abuse by certain professionals would take hold nationally. Each state had its own law, and the federal Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act passed in 1974.
The Scouts, however, wouldn't institute mandatory reporting for suspected child abuse until 2010. They did incorporate other measures, such as a "two-deep" requirement that children be accompanied by at least two adults at all times, and made strides in their efforts to combat pedophilia within their ranks.
According to an analysis of the Scouts' confidential files by Patrick Boyle, a journalist who was the first to expose about efforts by the BSA to hide the extent of sex abuse among Boy Scout leaders, the Scouts documented internally less than 50 cases per year of Scout abuse by adults until 1983, when the reports began to climb, peaking at nearly 200 in 1989.
Attitudes on child sex abuse began to change after the 1974 law, said University of Houston professor Monit Cheung, a former social worker who has authored a book on child sex abuse.
"Before 1974, you could talk to a social worker who could (then) talk to a molester and that could maybe stop abuse," Cheung said, noting that most abuse happens within families.
But mandatory reporting made the failure to report suspected abuse a crime.
"That's the change, that you're no longer hiding the facts of abuse," Cheung said.
The case of Timothy Bagshaw in State College, Pa., is illustrative of the changing national attitude to mandatory reporting. Bagshaw, a Scouts leader, was convicted of two counts of corruption of minors in 1985. But he wasn't the only one to face charges.
The Scouts learned of the abuse months before it was reported, and forced Bagshaw to resign at a meeting, but he wasn't reported to police. That failure was costly for Juanita Valley Council director Roger W. Rauch, who was charged with failure to notify authorities of suspected child abuse.
"I didn't know I was supposed to contact anyone. I felt it was the parents' responsibility," Rauch told the Centre Daily Times in 1984. "We acted very responsibly.
"I'm concerned that this not get blown out of proportion."
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Associated Press writers Matt Sedensky in West Palm Beach, Fla.; Rebecca Boone in Boise, Idaho; and Shannon Dininny in Yakima, Wash., contributed to this report.
KATU!!!!!! What is wrong with you new system? It seems as though I cannot read older posts that are on a second page. Have tried several times from three different locations and computers....
What a sick world. It breaks my heart.
Catholic moral theology states that the ends don't justify the means. It is not moral to do the wrong thing, even when you think doing so will bring about a greater good. If only the Church had followed it's own teaching, And all the disasterous examples of people doing the wrong thing (covering-up) for what they thought was a greater good (protecting the good name of an organization) just shows the wisdom of that morality. Many Catholic clergy, even at the highest levels may be flawed and hypocritical but Catholic moral teaching is not. People who can separate the Church from the sinners in the pews and on the altars can see that.
 @ormom WTF does this have to do with the Catholics? Just want to remind you guys that some atheists, jews and mormons and muslims rape children too. This is about the scouts.
@ormom What does the BS have to do with the Catholics?
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The same things that are being said now about the boy scouts were being said about the Catholic priests not too long ago. By and large people in the Church who covered up were trying to do the right thing but going about it all wrong. Cover-ups and lies and deception even for 'good' reasons is very bad and I want to point out that the Catholic Church is not as bad as people try to make them out to be even though they should have known better and followed their own moral code - nor are the BSs. I'm simply making the point that this is a human problem, not a BS, or Catholic or Mormon, or public school problem. So stop denigrating and blaming good organizations for mishandling perverts - they all did it and still do it.
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But my point is that the Church is not just the people who belong to it. The Church and it's body of teaching is something much more and it has stood strong for 2000 years despite the clergy, even those at the highest levels, who sometimes seem to be doing their best to destroy it. Look at how broken and sinful the Apostles were and Jesus hand selected them and taught them! Why be surprised that popes and clergy are even downright evil too sometimes? That means something and we Catholics say it is the protection of the Holy Spirit because Christ said the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church.
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That is why people should separate religion and Church from the people who practice it. They are 2 very different things. And when the people of religion let you down, as they always will being that they're human, don't let that be a cause to turn against God. God always stands perfect even though we often can't see that through the fog of human sin and the suffering it causes. That is where faith comes in, also a gift of the Holy Spirit given to all who humbly ask for it.
 @ormom Considering that it's alleged that the Catholic scandal and follow-up are traced all the way to the Vatican, I'd say the Catholic church is anything but innocent. And considering the hypocrisy of the Mormon church leadership, they aren't too far behind. This is coming from a former Mormon with a lengthy family history in the church.Â
The bigger issue than the BSA, or the Catholic Church, or The Mormon LDS Church, or the Public School System of New York is WHY do so many men (and a few women) see children as sexual objects for their own pleasure?
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THAT is the issue. Why are there so many sick people preying on children? THAT is the problem.
@oh4FS http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/pedophilia_and_molestation.htm Sadly, it's apparently an attraction, that doesn't seem to know a boundary.
A 2004 U.S. Department of Education report reported that "the most accurate data available" reveals that "nearly 9.6 percent of [public school] students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career."
This result prompted Hofstra University's Dr. Charol Shakeshaft, the author of the study, to opine in 2006, "[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem? The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."
A Meanwhile, that same 2004 report cited an important study from the mid-1990s:
"In an early [1994] study of 225 cases of educator sexual abuse in New York, all of the accused had admitted to sexual abuse of a student but none of the abusers was reported to authorities."
That is an important and alarming fact:
Number of abusive educators:Â 225 Number reported to police:Â 0
So, in other words, as recently as 1994, it was the universal practice in New York among school administrators not to call police to report abusers.
The 1994 study also reported that only 1 percent of those abusive educators lost their license. In addition, most alarmingly, "25 percent received no consequence or were reprimanded informally and off-the-record. Nearly 39 percent chose to leave the district, most with positive recommendations or even retirement packages intact." http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf
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@Constitution Warrior I'm guessing you must be Catholic, and maybe a priest.
 @pdxd Typical response.  Protect your Public "indoctrination Centers" at all cost.
 @Playanekes CW seems obsessed with public schools promoting pedophilia, wonder if maybe, just maybe CW has partaken in some public school cover ups based on his obsession.
 @Constitution Warrior  @pdxd Hey, he said the same thing to me, almost as if he cut-and-paste.
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My kid goes to a private school. CW can't apparently wrap his head around that.
 @pdxd  @Constitution Constitution has a point..I did church but not boy scouts, but I have been "a target of educator sexual misconduct", the guy was a school teacher (the "cool one" of course), boys basketball coach (go figure) and a town selectman. He was arrested, it made small blurb in the local rag and that's it, he move away, this was well before Al Gore invented the internet.
@deejm2112 I do recall a teacher at my Jr. High in the mid-1990's that was rumored to be gay, he ended up in legal trouble because his roommate ended up engaging in what was at that time statutory rape and failed within his obligation to report it to the authorities. I won't dispute that educators are at times offenders themselves. I mean, there are offenders at all levels of employment.
Just wait till the Public School System's "perversion" files are released. Â One year of abuse in the schools is greater than all the years of the Boy Scouts, Churches etc. combined.
@Constitution Warrior Wow, I didn't realize that public school teachers took juveniles on camping trips with minimal supervision, and crawled into their subordinates sleeping bags.
 @pdxd Oh you mean outdoor school?  Why would they need to?  They have the entire school to "play"
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 @Constitution Warrior  @pdxd Constitution Warrior hates schools. They should ban schools. All schools should be shut down and all teachers fired immediately. Education leads to child molestation. Wow.
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Some people hate God and religion so much that they will defend the indefensible just to have a chance to show their hate. Gotta marvel at how f-d up that is.
 @ormom Any religion that claims Jesus in their name or their sermons, but promotes intolerance for their fellow man, is a disgrace to everything that Jesus ever stood for.
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Glad to hear you don't hate God. Actually Jesus knew better than anyone that we are fallen sinners and need endless chances at forgiveness - 70x7. People make the mistake of throwing religion out of their lives because they expect those who call themselves religious to be perfect. Hasn't happened yet and never will. Jesus was the only one. Doesn't mean the religion is wrong.
@ormom I don't hate God. In fact, I think of him/her quite often, though I'm still undecided as to whether God is a person, or more of a spirit, or maybe a gas, regardless, I don't hate God. But I do have a low tolerance for organized religions that seem to be more about greed, and less about the true teaching of Jesus whom they claim to worship. There is very few in modern organized religions that I think Jesus would be proud to say that they bore his name.
 @pdxd  @Constitution They don't need to, they still live in a house near students who attend their schools.
@deejm2112 Well that's true. Not as convenient, but still, it's true.
@Constitution Warrior you must be one of those "legitimate rape" types.
 @Playanekes  @Constitution LMAO.  Typical.  Protect your little "indoctrination centers" at all costs.
 @Constitution Warrior I would have figured that you'd be wanting to track down alleged pedophiles in @Playanekes childs school
 @Constitution Warrior Then I guess even YOU don't know what "indoctrination centers" means, but, what ARE you talking about?
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 @Constitution Warrior My kid goes to a $700/month private school, there, know-it-all. Check your fire.
And let's talk about what the files actually show. Of the ones I examined (approximately 15 - most chosen at random) only four actually involved an allegation that occurred at a Scout function, the rest were cases where there was some other source for the allegation or charges, and the local Scout office reported these other sources as sufficient to place the individuals on the "list". In the remaining four, the law enforcement authorities were contacted in EVERY instance, and the individuals banned, regardless of whether the legal authorities decided to bring charges or not.
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Are there going to be exceptions? Of course. In an organization which has been around for over 100 years, and which has had tens of millions of adult volunteers, it is - unfortunately - inevitable that some bad apples would sneak in. The fact that the Scouts did not require a conviction - or even criminal charges - to ban adults from leadership positions, is never mentioned. I think we need to all remember how society in general dealt with the issue of child abuse in the 1960s and 1970s, when most of these incidents occurred. I remember a young man in our community who was caught abusing a child that his mother provided daycare for. Instead of being sent to jail and labeled a sexual predator - which would be his fate today - he was offered the opportunity by the local judge to enlist in the military, as an alternative to jail. Was he a Scout or Scout leader? No. Was his family particularly wealthy or well-connected? Again, no. This was simply the way the society of that time often chose to deal with the problem: remove the offender from the community and give him a chance to make something of himself in the Army. Now today, we would all be up in arms, the judge would probably be suspended, and Nancy Grace would be giving herself apoplexy over it, on camera, on cue; but back then...that was just how things were "handled".
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As far as how prevalent abuse was during the time the files were collected, I went and reviewed the ones from my home state, where i grew up as a Scout, and first became a Scout Leader. There were a total of four for the entire state - 2 from 1961 and 2 from 1973- and NONE of them were actually from the Council I was in, but were from the other side of the state. In over 30 years as a Scout leader, preceded by 10 as a Cub and Boy Scout, I have NEVER actually known of ANY incidents of abuse of a Scout, or known ANY Scout leaders who were alleged to have done anything to a youth.
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For those of you that want to paint EVERY Scout leader or volunteer as a child molester - just because we belong to the organization - then let's take that to the next logical step, shall we? As I've mentioned, the VAST majority of the cases that Mr. Clark has litigated, has involved adult volunteers from the Mormon church; based on your warped logic, that means that EVERY member of the LDS church - including Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney - is also a child molester!
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Gee, I KNEW there was reason I didn't want to vote for him!
@Mick Wagner lol! So all anybody has to do to get you to vote for Obama is to call the BSA child molesters?
"I didn't know I was supposed to contact anyone. I felt it was the parents' responsibility," Rauch told the Centre Daily Times in 1984. "We acted very responsibly. While I agree with him that the parents should have gone to the authorities and it is ultimately their responsibility, I'm pretty sure I would have called the police in the same situation...even though I didn't feel it was my responsibility to do so. Here's a pretty good rule to live by. If you know someone has molested a child, go ahead and let the police know.
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 @Mick Wagner Oh, so, it's the lawyers' fault that the Boy Scouts protected child rapists.Â
@Playanekes @Mick Wagner According to Mick, that's right.
@Mick Wagner No HIPPA problem here as these documents cover 1965-1985 meaning they have had them since 1985. Was HIPPA even around? It wasn't the hospitals/doctors releasing the information today. If I find someone's medical records and make them public I am not liable under HIPPA.
 @Portlander29  @Mick He's trying to protect the Boy Scouts and distract people's attention from their own documentations covering up child rape.
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Mick Wagner is part of the Scout system of cover-up. Go ahead and sue me, Mark. You're out here blaming scout master rape on the Mormons and declaring yourself as a Scout supporter, so, we'll let the jury decide what's what. For the record, I believe my claims are true and I harbor no actual personal malice to anybody named Mick Wagner.
 @Portlander29  @Mick You are not a state employee. There is a different standard for government, and the age of the medical records makes no difference to the applicability of the act, as long as the person is still alive.
 @Portlander29 State Court Judges are not immune to Federal law.
Judges are allowed to order the release of medical information, aren't they?
@Mick Wagner @Mick The boy scouts of america are not the government either. You are saying the state (the judge) is at fault for ordering the release of medical information, right?
I guess it is 1959-1985 HIPPA came around in 1996
@Mick Wagner seriously dude!
Why isn't this CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSING ORGANIZATION shut down immediately & it operators thrown in JAIL?
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Portland has ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM throwing homeless veterans in jail FOR SLEEPING OUTSIDE; surely the BRUTAL RAPE OF LITTLE BOYS warrants AT LEAST the same danger to society as the homeless veterans sleeping outside does.....
 @August100 We can start by shutting down the Public School system. Â
@Constitution Warrior @August100 Oh yes, send the kids to the nuns and priets to get raped.
@Constitution Warrior @pdxd @August100 typical of what? What do you lack the courage to call me after you got busted on your assumption that I defend public schools?
 @Playanekes I certainly don't believe that all nuns or priests a bangin' the kiddies. Though, a good friend of mine that was shipped off to the Catholic boarding schools in the 1960s/1970s was treated horrificly and inhumanely by the nuns at that school. She didn't deserve itk, no one would. There are bad apples in every barrel, sadly, some organizations strive to cover up the bad apples.Â
 @Constitution Warrior Where are your sources to back this up?
 @Playanekes  @pdxd  @August100 Like I said. I don't care where your kids go to school.  Pay no attention to the teacher sex abuse. Typical.
 @pdxd    @August100 10% of all students will be sexually abused in public schools.
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 @pdxd  @Constitution  @August100 WTF, man. My kid's teacher is a Franciscan nun who's been teaching there for 35 years and I meet parents there who were students themselves. Meanwhile, Constitution Warrior is accusing me of trying to indoctrinate my kid in public schools. Which would be drop-dead freakin' hilarious if he or his children attend public schools.
@August100 Because they have the best lawyer that the Mormon money (the Mormon church is their largest source of Scouts/money) can buy....
 @August100 I'm assuming that by "criminal child abusing organization", you are referring to the Mormon church.
 @Mick Wagner  @August100 No, this is about the Boy Scouts of America. It's no more appropriate to blame the Catholics, the Republicans, the Buddhists or Muslims.
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Your argument would be like a Paterno fan trying to blame Notre Dame for Sandusky's actions.
@Mick Wagner @August100 at least it's not trying to sweep 20,000 pages of child rape coverup under the rug.
 @Playanekes  @August100 Your argument is nonsensical.
 @Playanekes  @August100 Your argument makes no sense.
 @Portlander29  @Playanekes  @Mick  @August100 Really, when the LDS church was SOLELY responsible for selecting, vetting and supervising the Leaders in their units? And by the way, although it IS true that the LDS church is the single largest sponsor of Scouting units, with a total of 37,882 units and a total youth membership of slightly over 420,000, what doesn't get reported is that the United Methodist Church is the second largest sponsor, but with only one-third the number of units (11078) manages to serve over 370,000 youth members - in other words, it takes the LDS three times the number of units, to provide services for only 13.5% greater membership. And when is the last time you heard of one of these lawsuits involving a leader in a Methodist - or other non-LDS - sponsor? Look, a lot of us in the movement don't agree with the perks and special conditions that the LDS units get to operate under, but that's the system, and all we can do is try and change it from the inside.
@Playanekes @Mick Wagner @August100 In fairness. The Boy Scouts of America and the Mormon church do have a really strong partnership. The Church of Latter Day Saints is the largest single sponsor of Scouting units. I agree though, with the exception of members of the church that were involved in the cover up, the Church isn't the organization that needs to be punished here.