Who is the man accused of murdering Whitney Heichel?
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GRESHAM, Ore. - New details are emerging about the man accused of sexually abusing and then shooting a young woman to death in a crime that has shocked the community.
Jonathan Holt, 24, is behind bars in connection with the murder of 21-year-old Whitney Heichel, who left for work in the early morning hours of Oct. 16 and was found dead days later.
According to a probable cause affidavit written by the officer who arrested Holt, Holt waited outside Heichel’s apartment on the morning of October 16 and asked her for a ride.
Heichel, who knew Holt, obliged. But about five minutes into the ride, police said Holt pulled out a handgun and forced Heichel to drive to Roslyn Lake in Clackamas County.
Court documents state that Holt told police he asked Heichel for a ride that morning at the Gresham apartment complex where they both live. The two were acquaintances but nothing more.
Holt told police that just minutes after he got into Heichel's vehicle, he pulled a gun on the woman, forced her to drive to another location, sexually assaulted her and then shot and killed her.
Who is Jonathan Holt?
At this point, much of Holt's life remains somewhat of a mystery but there is some information that is coming to light.
Holt is married and has been for nearly two years.
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Remembering Whitney Whitney Heichel's memorial will be for family and friends only but the family will be holding a public open house at the Salquist Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses in Gresham on Friday. Everyone is welcome to stop in between 12 p.m. and 5 p.m. All they ask is that you do not bring in any cameras or recording devices. |
Last year, he was involved in an incident where he was accused of disappearing with a friend's rental car. A police report was filed about the car and Holt's wife told officers she wanted to file a missing person's report.
Holt turned up hours later with the car. He told his friend he had a "mental breakdown" and had gone to a park in Washington to "rethink his life and straighten his priorities." The friend ended up not pressing charges.
What did Holt do for a living?
The Oregon Health Authority confirmed that Holt is certified as an emergency medical technician (EMT). He got the certification in 2010, the same year he was married.
However, when we checked with all three of the ambulance services in the Portland metropolitan area, none of them said Holt was employed by them. So whether he was actually working, or perhaps volunteering, as an EMT is unknown.
What does it mean to be a Jehovah's Witness?
Heichel, her husband, and Holt all went to the same church in Gresham. All three are Jehovah's Witnesses and the murder has some people wanting to understand the church and its beliefs.
The faith, which was started by a man in Pennsylvania, is a relatively new one - it's hardly 100 years old.
Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians, but they also have some of their own beliefs. They do believe in Jesus but not the Trinity. They do not celebrate holidays, which they consider pagan. They do not believe in the military service or war but do, however, believe in Armageddon (a judgement day).
There are 7 million Jehovah's witnesses worldwide and their churches are called Kingdom Halls (there are dozens in the Portland area).
Many members canvas neighborhoods and knock on doors for their 'pioneer work.' This is part of what they do to spread their message.
"A lot of people are sometimes annoyed by us coming to the door," said Dane Leong, a Jehovah's Witness. "We're just trying to give a message that we believe in hope for the future and the world isn't always going to be in as bad a state as it is now, with war and everything."
Members say there are a lot of negative stereotypes about their faith.
"I'm hesitant to use the word, but a lot of people would say 'cult,' " Leong said. When asked how that made him feel, he said "that's just based on not enough knowledge of my religion."
On a side note, we learned that one of the reasons that the church was so successful in finding clues about Heichel's disappearance at remote locations is that one of its members is experienced in search and rescue operations and guided the effort.
What can you do if someone threatens you?
Self defense experts say that as terrifying as it might be, we should all think about what to do if threatened and attacked. When you are panicked, your heart is racing and you can't think straight. But you can think through a strategy that might help you get out alive.
Caroline Haycraft, a self defense instructor, said she was not surprised to learn that Holt knew Heichel because most of the time an attacker is someone we know. They earn our trust over time so that we feel comfortable with them. And then they make their move.
Once you realize you are in trouble, perhaps stuck in a car with a gun in your face, try to keep calm. Take deep breaths, mentally list your options, and look for a moment when your attacker might be distracted to make a break for it. And don't be afraid to make a scene.
Haycraft said getting away could mean slamming on the brakes and even wrecking the car to get out. And if you do make a break for it, keep screaming and running. The goal should be to get as far away from the attacker and weapon as possible.
The Jehovah's Witness cult is the real problem which is well documented.
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SHE NEVER EVEN HAD A CHANCE:
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Jersey Bridgeman Was a Happy Little Girl
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[ The tragically short life of 6-year-old Jersey Bridgeman, of Bentonville, Arkansas, was not exactly full of joy. Her father and stepmother are currently sitting in prison, charged with abusing the adorable little girl, and now she is gone, her body having been found in an abandoned home near where she lived with her mother.]
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To even allow that man to bear seed, is more than my mind can grasp. I just don't get it, at all. These individuals that she had no choice Being born to, was His/It's first mis-take. How incredibly cruel can One get. How insane is THAT?Â
And the kick to the balls?....HE SUPPOSEDLY KNEW/KNOWS THESE THINGS, SO WHAT THE hell ALWAYS IS THE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FOR ME. I mean, it's simple, as I see it:Â
PLANT JERSEYS SEED IN A REAL MAN. NOT THE ONES YOU CREATED TO TOY WITH US. YOU HAVE MUCH SHAME TO BEHOLD IN WHAT YOU SAY WE/DEMAND WE PUT FAITH AND/ OR TRUST IN. ABSOLUTELY UN-BELIEVABLE {SO HOW COULD WE TRUST?}
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Now, how many JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE PLANNING TO SUPPORT THIS COMMUNITY AND HONOR THIS POOR CHILDS MEMORY? WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS AS A CHURCH, TO HELP THIS FAMILY OUT, IN ANYWAY YOU VAN, JUST AS THE WORLD CAME TOGETHER FOR WHITNEY AND HER FAMILY/ COMMUNITY? I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS IN ACTION AND FOR YOU TO COME SHARE WITH US WHAT YOU DID IN SUPPORT.
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THANK YOU 4UR ATTENTION IN THE MATTERS OF { ALL } ABUSED CHILDREN OF OURS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOUR WORLD.
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As seen in recent news, and in relation to all religious organizations in the world:
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Victims welcome Australian child sex abuse investigation
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Australia's Catholic Church is facing claims of widespread abuse by members of the clergy.
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Australia to investigate institutional responses to allegations of child sex abuseCountry's Catholic Church facing claims of systemic cover-ups by church hierarchySenior police officer: Church complicit by moving offending priests, destroying evidencePrime Minister Julia Gillard says the inquiry will not be limited to the Catholic Church
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Thank you for your urgent attention to these matter s of the forgotten children of these organizations/ churches.
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This piece I bring now IS for the JW's, and the public. Since the public (householder, man on the street) is never really aware of the deeper doctrinal issues or the WATCHTOWER POLICIES in print. This only occurs AFTER you have had several bible studies and have started attended meetings regularly...Please, pay close attention to this crafty shift in one of its foundational teachings and then pay even closer attention to Sundays WT study and Public talk---I invite the public to actually attend one of these sunday meetings and ask critical questions, at this meeting, during WT study period:
F&DS (Faithful Discreet Slave(class)officially the governing body of jws) New Light Official JW Statement:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/242055/1/F-DS-New-Light-Official-JW-Statement
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Thank you for your attention in the matter of all children in religious organizations that do not have a voice.
Too pertinent and in relation, to wait until tomorrow:
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Your daily current WT/JW news:
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[["I just came back from the meeting .Although the local announcements have been abolished recently as an item for the second part , an elder came on the platform to announce that the Society needs more money and there is a letter on the noticeboard for all the congragation to read to this effect. Although the announcement was read half heartedly (this elder's daughter is an apostate ,it looks like he knows what's going on) the implictions are dramatic .Â
The Society in brief,requests  any brother or sister with funds sitting on personal accounts to loan them to the Society ,he didn't go into any specifics but I will take a picture of the letter next time and make it available here .
I'm not amazed that they're asking for money ,I thought it will happen sooner or later .What I'm amazed is that 99% of the congragation are oblivious to the financial crisis that the Society finds itself these days and the reasons why .I can see the future now .The Watchtower will be the fist part of the Babylon the Great to go down in a blaze of  scandals and  financial troubles !" ]]
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Excellent popst here in the thread on page one:
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1. Unsustainable growth model .The cash cow (Developed Countries) are financing the growth of the Developing Countries .
2.The worst Recession in living memory
3. The Internet that has awakened many ,especially in Developed COuntries were the internet is widely available ,as a result many ar enot willing to help a Govering Body that supports pedophiles ,harsh shunning practises and refuses blood transfusions
4.Catastrophic financial decisions (selling prime New York properties at the height of recession)
5.Bad financial decisions in the stockmarket
6.Compensation for pedophilia cases ,with Silent Lambs and Cantice Conti ,being just the begining
Even at this point they can't be straight with the RF because they see themselves as GODS
Guess what? Game is up !" ]]
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Please click above link for the ongoing, four-page thread discussion, that is gaining momentum.
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Two websites for PUBLIC REVIEW, of two NON-DISGRUNTLED JWS:
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http://www.reasoningwithjehovahswitnesses.com/
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I see many now have registered at the forum I brought to your attentions. There, you will see much discussion on ALL THINGS WATCHTOWER ORG/ JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES [ PROand CON]:
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Thank you for concern in the matter of all the forgotten children of religious organizations that still do not have a voice.Â
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I have pertinent future news that I will be bringing here [ new child abuse cases going to court] as soon as it is released to me to do so. And/ or you can easily read all incoming news about this organization at the above forum.
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HOUSE of Horrors monster Rose West has âfound Godâ and joined the Jehovahâs Witnesses, The Sun can reveal.
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Perhaps you have room in your congregation for her?
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I actually do a lot of volunteer work in my community; offline. Â Online, I volunteer to help guide the public to all info regarding the JW/ Watchtower Bible Tract Society. Â It's a very thankless task, let me tell you, just as you've displayed here with your intolerant post. Â
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And then to suggest to the reader that by doing this service I am not in fact volunteering my time, money and energy into examining both sides of the JW Coin, is, well, transparent that you want me to stop posting this info.
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Well, I will not grant this wish for you or the active Witnesses participating in these forums. Â It is not up to you to say what I can present here, on a national, if not, world DISCUSSION forum. Â You may not like it or agree with it or even think it is necessary. Â That is not up to you to decide what other readers/ viewers read or view. Â SIMPLE.
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Now, I suggest that if you see my postings to simple pass them by; as I will continue to bring forth all info related to this religion. There really is no need to 'comment' on them, is there, if it disturbs your comfort zone. Â Many DO want to read and view this info, yet have no idea of the magnitude of info out there and what is pertinent. Â Thusly, I am most pleased to be of service in this arena.
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SO, a cover up starts, as we thought.
I have direct information that Jonathan Holt was not reproved. Â He stepped down from being an MS after his "episode" last year. Â He had not attended meetings the past few months and his wife was getting ready to seperate from him. Â This info comes from someone in the same cong. who will not be identified. Â They read letters in all the congs telling ones to not be interviewed by media and refer all questions to the family spokesman. Â The branch sent out 2 brothers to do comfort the cong (do damage control) and the District Overseer conducted the Memorial Service on Saturday. Â All this is from reliable source.
This forum is the largest discussion forum on the worldwideweb, discussing ALL THINGS RELATED TO THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES religion, and its leaders at WATCHTOWER BIBLE TRACT SOCIETY:
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There is quite a mix of people here; active, non-active, disassociated, disfellowshipped, elers still in good standing, ex elders, ex ministarial servants, ex circuit ocerssers, ex presiding oveseers, ex pioneers, active pioneers, etc....anyone and everyone who ever knew a JW.
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Please, do as Whitneys mothers invited the world to do....LEARN about "our" religion.
Why are you trying so hard in avoiding the inevitable? And why are you instructing humans to not listen to all sides of an issue, and THEN decide its merits? Ms. RITMILLER has invited us and all to learn more. What is your major problem with people learning about this religion?Â
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Why do you not want this information known to your fellow congregants? How will you answer any householder now when they inquire about the "WHTNEY CASE", and all the related material they read regarding your organizations teachings and policies?
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No Jehovah's Witness has answered my earlier question either:
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Why is it that you never discuss the deeper doctrines and policies with the householder, first? Why do you 'lovebomb' with only the promise of a new earth in the beginning, and death threats by the hand of your god JEHOVAH, if their 'heart is not in the right condition'?
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Please address, as Whitneys mother wants us to know.
@INFORMant - good grief, do you have an ax to grind or what. If you'd like to discuss deeper doctrines, etc., why not just ask? Someone would be more than happy to come back and have a discussion with you. Re: someone asking about this particular case and the fact that the alleged murderer was a part (irregular, regular, whatever) of the same congregation - what's your point? That one bad seed represents everyone else involved. Judas Iscariot, who was hand-picked by Jesus Christ, sold Jesus down the river. Does that reflect on Jesus or his teachings? Of course not. You seem to be a very bitter and unhappy person. I suggest some volunteer work to take your focus off of yourself. Try it - you might wake up a happier person.
 @Kwantify Kwantify, I would not bother about Informant. He is evidently one of these conspiracy theorists. If he wasn't "exposing" Jehovah's Witnesses he would be exposing some other "conspiracy". It looks like he has a psychological condition called paranoia. He forgets people are NOT stupid (in general) and that he is actually doing himself a disservice with these posts as it shows him to be a little unbalanced, or cuckoo for a better word.
Death to this scumbag!
This is a sad sad thing that happened to a beautiful girl. The man who did it will spend the rest of his useless life on death row unitl the day when the reaper comes a calling. As far as the J.W. Religion well to each his own but its hard to overlook the fact that they dont belive in military service or belive in war. Which means that the men and women who have died for their freedom is for nothing. All these religions that are new to this world are nothing but a cult. So agin I am sad for the husband and the family and togeather they will heal.
 @LakerfaninPDX. but you obvously agree with murdering ppl, as thats what joining the military and participating in wars is is murdering another human being, no matter how you try to spin it its taking the life of another person which is murder so what youve said LakerfaninPDX is you are supportive of people murdering one another...  how horrible and how far away of the teachings of Jesus
 @LakerfaninPDX. look at catholics how can that not be called a cult the crusades, burning ppl who read the bible the inquisition, the knights templar and now the catholic curch saying the bible has no relevance thats the eptiome of a cult and a billion ppl follow it...
Wow! I sure hope they are investigating any known incidences that happened the day he took the rental car, as well! Also, if he hasn't been working, WHERE was he?
@Penny Bradford : yes i agree. worth looking into the other day I took a little time to research on the internet what crimes if any happened on that particular day in oregon. But I found nothing significant. I wonder if the authorities have looked into this. I would like to think they have.
Why does it have to be about religion in the first place? Who cares? A lovely life was taken from this world unjustly. No matter your religion that is a bad thing. Move on and people need to just stop with the whole religion thing. He is a murderer that simple. He could have been any religion and committed this crime but because he is Jehovah's Witness all the sudden this is a huge deal. Just STOP. Whitney was a sweet person who was married and had a job just like so many of us, this guy took her life, its pretty simple to understand.
 @Newsin It wasn't about religion, until they made an attempt to deny that Holt was a member of their church in the eyes of the public. But all of your points about Whitney are spot on.
I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and I wanted to clear up a misconception made about us by haters on this message thread. Being "irregular" is not some kind of mark against a person. It just means that someone does not make it to every one of the 4 meeting we have each week, plus our door to door ministry. Most Witnesses are irregular at some time or another. It does not mean that you are somehow considered less spiritual than those ones who attend every meaning, or that you are not in good standing as a Witness. Our meetings usually have a 70% attendance rate. Mr. Holt was a baptized Jehovah's Witness in good standing, was active in the door to door ministry and had privileges in the congregation. It disgusts me to see the haters and opposers here who have slandered him and tried to make him out to be some kind of worldly person when he is not one.
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 You said:   "It just means that someone does not make it to every one of the 4 meeting we have each week, plus our door to door ministry."
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   I think that by using that definition of being "irregular" that every JW  would be considered irregular.  Who has made EVERY meeting ?
 If "most" Jws are irregular at one time or another why did the brother bring this "irregular" comment out?
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 @Morden It disgusts me too, but I think you're confused; it's the witnesses that seem to making it out that Holt was somehow not a "true" witness by officially stating he was "irregular". Why mention it at all, it's not relevant, right? Also what exactly is a "worldly person" ?
 @RealLife  @Morden here is the think RealLife he was a witness what people are basically trying to say is that he was leading a double life its obvious with all the info coming out that he was involved in...  he obviously didnt beleive the words that christ speaks and I can back up with scripture that he didnt read 1 jn 2:4-6 it shows he definately didnt support God and definately was not a christian in any sense
 @veruanna  @Morden I have seen no evidence of any judicial action against him, that he has been disfellowshipped or has disassociated himself. Your claim that I am not one of Jehovah's witnesses is slanderous. You do not know me, and have no evidence that I have been removed from the congregation, because I haven't. You have no authority to say who gets to be a Jehovah's Witness and who can not. The Faithful and Discreet Slave has warned Jehovah's people about those like you who create trouble on the internet and social media.
 @Morden  He is hardly in good standing right now isn't he you idiot! And you are not one of Jehovah's witnesses either.
 @hamalanche  @RealLife  @Morden I don't know that he is a Christian or not, or what he read or believed about scripture. That is between he and Christ. I know he is a Jehovah's Witness in good standing in the congregation.
 @RealLife There's no confusion. None of those people who are saying that Holt is not really a Jehovah's Witness have clearly shown that they are witnesses. They might be, but without proof or claims that they are, we don't know. We do know that they are slandering Holt, unless they can provide evidence that he was disfellowshipped or disassociated himself (voluntarily quit). A worldly person is a Watchtower term for someone who is not a Jehovah's Witness, or studying in order to be one.
 @Alex Loukas Hahaha!! Hilariously entertaining to see you fighting amongst yourselves. =D
 @Alex Loukas  @Morden  @RealLife theyve been using the term for quite a long while
To all JWs on this thread. Don't even waste your time arguing or debating or trying to help opposers on this thread. Your efforts are futile and will yield no results. There are plenty of other people who would welcome your help. Don't waste your time answering even one rediculous post.
 @Timaaa Gonzales I am a Witness of Jehovah, and we are instructed by those who take the lead among us to not engage in online debates or to argue. Those who are acting like that are either not true Jehovah's Witnesses, or are rogue ones who are disobedient to how we are taught.
It's just imperfection I am sure many of these friends love jehovah and are zealous for his name. However your right about our instruction to not waste time in futile debates. These brothers and sisters may mean well but best to follow direction and use self-control and restraint. That is not always easy but it certainly is the most beneficial.
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here is a letter from Lorelei, Whitneys mom
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Why WT Elders can't handle child abuse cases
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guys who spend thier working hours doing cleaning, janitorial work, plumbers and mostly low paying or blue collar jobs-
while in and of themselves there is nothing wrong with such jobs,
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they are equiped to handle and question persons who have been molested
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in fact even college educated persons ------are not usually trained in this special area -
they may be great structual engineers, but more than likely very little in their formal training prepared them to deal with this type of issue.
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many of us who have served as elders recall very vividly how we were constantly told how we recieved the greatest training in the world
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we were COMPLETELY EQUIPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK INCLUDING CHILD MOLESTATION ISSUE.
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TURN TO THE ELDERS IT AIN;T EVEN FUNNY
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it is not sad to think that a bunch of guys who hand out Cheese on Crackers at Walmart for a living are convinced to believe that they are qualified to handle such issues
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and when they call bethel for help and they are talking to some bro on the Service desk - in most cases they are talking to a guy who came to bethel at 19 worked in the laundry, cleaning or factory, was a good yes man, and moved up from the manual labor work at bethel to a desk job as a secretary and later got his own secretary and now he has 35 yrs of bethel service with or without a HS Diploma and now our Cheese Cracker bro is on the phone talking to our YES man on an issue this involved- with it's emotional , psycholgical and physicall ramifications on this person's life and the first question is :
"Bro What state do you live in?"
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yes you got a clown on both ends of the phone and now some little 7yr old girl will have life and happiness decisions made in here behalf that will impact her for years to come
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what is even funnier is how they could convince the rest of the rank and file jw to accept a guy who hands out Cheese Crackers at Walmart to be viewed and esteemed as the ALL WISE AND KNOWING one among them.
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this quote below explains what needs to be done and why THEY ARE AT LEAST TRAINED:
1) go to the police FIRST. They are trained and expereinced investigators.
2) The child should be interrogated by a TRAINED EXPERIENCED person FIRST, social worker or police, who are trained
3) The accused needs to be interrogated by TRAINED AND EXPERIENCED person FIRST..social workers or police.
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 @INFORMant also I dont think what many are seeing you doing as really very ethical trying to intentionally bash ppl, Im sure whatever faith you are if you even beleive in anything and even if you do whatever you beleive in I could probably find something to hash what you beleive too, doing so doesnt make you an informant though what it makes you is distasteful, unethical, rude, and cruel.  And you say youre just stating facts, but thats not really true because youre bringing your PERSONAL commentary and your PERSONAL judgments into things which means it far from you just stating the facts, you look like more of a madman than anything else
It's an open forum here, I will post as permitted/ It is not up to you to moderate what I bring to these forums.Â
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Her MOTHER invited the world to SEE what their religion is about. I just happened to highlight the invite for all to recognise. Why the problem?
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Here, in case you didn't see the invitation:
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Just as in a court of law, the mother has now "opened" the door, widely, to "learning more about us as people. as Jehovah's Witnesses". Everyones heart should be at least willing to learn widely, ALL that has to do with the Watchtower Bible Tract Society (notice, this is a book publishing corp in New York that is Jehovah's Witnesses Headquarters, as you google "JW" to learn of it's 'religion', one MUST google WTBTS to learn of its inner workings and as a non profit organization (NGO). They are NOT one in the same; as your discoveries through research will soon demonstrate this as fact.
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THE DOOR IS NOW WIDE OPENED TO LEARN...FULLY...OF THIS "RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION"...THANK YOU MS. RITMILLER...I HOPE MANY TAKE YOU UP ON THIS GRACIOUS INVITATION:
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Ritmiller said this has been the worst of her life's tribulations but she also wrote (in reference to the Jehovah's Witness religion, which she and her family are members of):
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"Don't be overcome with grief. As difficult as this has been, a tremendous opportunity has opened up because people in communities around the Earth have opened their hearts wide to learning more about us as a people and the God whose name we carry."
 @INFORMant Do you not have anything better to do with your life than feel like you are 'exposing' truth yet really are ignorant and rude?  Its a sad life to live being so mislead by your apostate friends.  My grandfather was a ringleader of an apostate group and he is the most vile human being I have known in my life.  HE was the child molester!!  Yet cannot accept accountability for his own evils.  He wanted to project his anger on an organization FULL of love because he couldnt have it any longer and didnt want to be humble and rectify his relationship with God.  My cousin did the same thing.  Started smoking pot then fipped out on the Elders for not 'doing anything' about his pioneer wife for leaving him as he had become an angry abusive husband who had no intention of getting his head on straight and just wanted to continue being a lazy pot head.  So now he speaks against JWs and HE is the one who has the problem, not us!  Its usually ALL the same with you people.  Get over it and move on with your life if you dont want anything to do with it.  You are making yourself look like an idiot.Â
 @RealityCheck It's good to see someone who has actual experience with those who were once JW's and who take every opportunity to spread lies and twist the truth about Jehovah's Witnesses. It is good to see an example of the REAL story behind what makes them that way.. And as you say, they all end up flocking together and repeating the same type of crap which they get from apostate sites over and over............feeding on each others bitterness and hate.......
What could be better than informing the public that the JEHOVAH'S WITNESS; LEAD BY THE WTBTS has CHILD SEX ABUSE COVER UPS JUST LIKE BOY SCOUTS, PENN STATE AND CATHOLIC CHURCH; not to mention hundreds of other entities where children are involved?
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Oh, I know...that if you don't become one of Jehovah's Witnesses, through bible study then baptism, that you will die at the hands of jehovah the wt god when the end of the world happens, any day now...
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This is what you spend your time doing, non stop, as a baptized jw. Preaching death to all who do not commit to Jehovah, through baptism. RIGHT? Is this not what WHITNEY USED TO DO? IS IT NOT WHAT HER MOTHER DOES? WHAT CLINT DOES? WHAT AMANDA AND JOHNATHAN DID/ DO????????? And now, one of their own kills her and suddenly all the rules change because, look at her, how innocent she looks. NOW LOOK AT THE WT KIDS. If one of them grows up to not want to be a jw, they will die and their jw brothers and sisters will not mourn them. THESE ARE THE TRUTH OF THIS ORGANIZATIONS TEACHINGS AND POLICIES. THIS IS WHAT THEY AS JWS SPEND THEIR TIME DOING. WAITING FOR THIS WORLD TO END SO THEIR NEW WORLD CAN BEGIN. THEY REALLY HAVE NO EMOTION FOR ANY OF THE PUBLIC. IT'S ALL A FACADE, THE MEMORIAL, TOO.Â
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WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE HAVING A SEPARATE MEMORIAL FOR FAMILY AND JWS ONLY? BECAUSE IF YOU HEARD WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY AT THESE THINGS, YOU WOULD BE APPAULED.Â
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I'm just really getting bothered now by how they are faking their gratitude to the public, when this is not how they truly feel towards anyone not of their religion. Basically, using WHITNEYS death as a way to preach how bad this world is.......blah, blah, blah.
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{sigh} And that a good portion of those donations will NOT be used for any costs incured for the investigation. Yet, will be sent to WTBTS in NY.
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But,people are going to do what they want. No one ever really thinks about the kids anyway. Just how they can control them.
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No, I think I'd rather spend my time helping children in your organization that cannot help themselves and that is obvious, none of you are eager to do. Yea, that's my choice.
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@INFORMant - Dude, dial it back a notch or two. Sounds like you have quite a few unresolved issues. Many non-Witness families have a separate, private memorial service, especially if there's a public interest. It has nothing to do with hiding things. Your nonsensical rant is humorous at best. Get a hobby -
 @INFORMant also...my ex husband tried 'exposing' truth to me and everything he tried to say had to be used in a twisted manner to make his 'point'.  verbage from the publications that is COMPLETELY taken out of context.  I can do that to make ANYTHING look horrible.  It doesnt take a rocket scientist to do so. But so sad that apostates do it and feel they are giving people a reality check, when infact they have to LIE to make their point.  So DUMB!
Yes, I am pretty sure I know who your husband is/ was. If indeed he was "the molester", did you turn him in, call police, let others know in the 'apostate community"? Or did you think the apostates deserved NOT TO KNOW about him, although you DID?
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RC, your words here are very good intell as to who you are too, knowing who he is/was in the 'community'.
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So many Jehovah's Witnesses out there, but no one really knows (reality check indeed) much about their teachings and policies. Oh, they have heard of them, yet have no clue how deadly they are.
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Thusly, why I am now so pleased to see that Ritmiller has invired the world to examine them as a religion.
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How fabulous to be armed with knowledge when they happen upon YOUR doorstep/
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Remember these items in your arsenal:
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NY Times Article: $28 MILLION Payout to Sexually Molested Child by Jehovah's Witness!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/18/us/28-million-awarded-in-jehovahs-witnesses...
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Re: No Blood policy:
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The Watchtower,Transfusions, and Tort Law
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSsdYQS9OKc
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HER MOM HAS OPENED PANDORA'S BOX REALITYCHECK....I suggest you get one...a reality check:
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Just as in a court of law, the mother has now "opened" the door, widely, to "learning more about us as people. as Jehovah's Witnesses". Everyones heart should be at least willing to learn widely, ALL that has to do with the Watchtower Bible Tract Society (notice, this is a book publishing corp in New York that is Jehovah's Witnesses Headquarters, as you google "JW" to learn of it's 'religion', one MUST google WTBTS to learn of its inner workings and as a non profit organization (NGO). They are NOT one in the same; as your discoveries through research will soon demonstrate this as fact.
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THE DOOR IS NOW WIDE OPENED TO LEARN...FULLY...OF THIS "RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION"...THANK YOU MS. RITMILLER...I HOPE MANY TAKE YOU UP ON THIS GRACIOUS INVITATION:
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Ritmiller said this has been the worst of her life's tribulations but she also wrote (in reference to the Jehovah's Witness religion, which she and her family are members of):
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"Don't be overcome with grief. As difficult as this has been, a tremendous opportunity has opened up because people in communities around the Earth have opened their hearts wide to learning more about us as a people and the God whose name we carry."
 @RealityCheck  @INFORMant And why do you suppose that they expend their energy and even bother? It amazes me that you can't even recognize what a lie is anymore. How long are you going to have keep putting your life on hold for this so called "END" that is so soon to happen that they keep falsely claiming? Wasn't it the "last of last days" some 15 years ago? Perhaps you should look at the institutionalized lies that are controlling your life, and be glad someone is out there trying to help you see what's really going on.
Please, pardon the error. I sincerely apologize. If I could edit it, I would.
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What in tarnation are you on about? I know what I'm takling about as far as what that discussion could have been about. If you think I'm saying that her dear mother had anything to do with anything, you are weird.Â
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That never entered my mind.
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My handle is about informing the public...not Jehovah's Witnesses, about the inner workings of this organization, that they only get to see if they ever actually join and become baptized members. Most of the things that they never hear at the door. Like the policies. You never tell the householder about the policies.
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Why is this? Why have such the problem with me in doing so? Do you not want the public to know The Truth? Are not your policies written with and in Truth?
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As long as there is the internet and OPEN DISCUSSION FORUMS that allows the world, to now, investigate, research and help inform others of facts that will help guide them, many will utilize it to its fullest.  You and all the Jehovah's Witnesses in this world won't be able to stop it. And why would you want to?Â
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The Truth is free, right?
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Now, to the HEICHELS:
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This is a sickening tragedy for many who have heard of it by now. My heart goes out to you as a mother myself of a beautiful daughter. I am sorry for your loss.
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Please know too, that this happening to one of Jehovah's Witnesses, will, as you see, thrust you and your lifestyle into the mainstreams limelight. It isn't anything anyone is going to be able to control. Many, many people have thoughts, feelings, ideas, theories, issues, and questions they strongly want/ need answers to as to WHY and HOW this could happen.  Some will be your fellow congregants. Some will be opposers. Some will be disgruntled. There will be an array of posters and even im-posters.  Google has thousands of pages and images now.Â
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I for one am pleased that your religion is finally in the spotlight,, as it is not exempt at being shown a new way to shine.  If Holt was on the elders radar, and WATCHTOWER had any info on him...from said elders, yet FAILED TO DISCLOSE IT TO WHITNEY OR HER FAMILY, we want the public to know this.Â
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We are well aware that most Jehovah's Witnesses will label any document or writing that is negative or contras their belief, as "anti, opposer, aposte, etc., so the purpose here is not for them. It is for the rest of this world.
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I truly do hope I did not offend you in theorizing about the conversation. Yet, I know...how they raise their children. I'm curious, was Whitney always a Jehovah's Witness? Are you 'lifers'?
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[ NOTE: I do not expect any reply from any family member to this post...remember, it is for the public, first and foremost. I'd think many 'worldly' parents reading these boards, would like to know how Jehovah's Witneeses children are reared. ]
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Thank you for my free speech rights. As you are welcomed to yours.
 @INFORMant um they are reared just like any other child, in a hospital LOL, I know you have a vandetta or something its obvious with your endless posts and someone doesnt have to be a scientist to see that youre trying very hard to go out of your way to disrespect this family in any way you can, you say your sorry about what happened but the rest of your words are contradictory to that.
And for all spelling nazis, there is no edit feature, so, well, yea.
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 @LucyLane just what I said last night so many would rather tear people down rather than help them greive and be there for them...