Jury awards $2.5 million to mother in Lukus Glenn case
PORTLAND, Ore. – The mother of a Tigard teenager shot and killed by deputies won her lawsuit against the Washington County Sheriff’s Office and the two deputies who opened fire.
A jury in federal court awarded Hope Glenn $2.5 million in the wrongful death suit of her son Lukus Glenn.
Lukus Glenn was shot and killed by deputies in 2006 after his mother had called 9-1-1 to report she feared for her son’s safety and the safety of others around him.
Lukus, 18, was armed with a knife at the time. The deputies reportedly told him to drop the knife before firing.
He was hit with six beanbag rounds as Washington County Sheriff’s deputies fired their service weapons, hitting him eight times, when they said he refused to surrender.
The deputies fired the beanbags and the live rounds in a span of just eight seconds. Hope Glenn has always contended the deputies acted too quickly in shooting and killing her son.
"I'm hoping that nobody else has to go through what we went through and other kids won't be shot," she said after the jury's decision.
On Thursday in a federal courtroom, a jury said they agreed that the sheriff’s office should be held accountable.
The jury said that the two deputies and former sheriff Rob Gordon were responsible for the wrongful death.
Sgt. Bob Ray, a spokesman for the sheriff's office, said they the department has not yet decided if they will appeal the decision.
"This has been a very difficult ordeal for the family of Lukus Glenn and for our deputies and their families," he said in a statement.
The deputies were previously cleared of any criminal charges.
When asked whether there was any intention of changing policy or training within the Washington County Sheriff's Office, Sheriff Pat Garrett said, "You know that is an ongoing process that we take very seriously with an administrative review, with an annual training that we provide every year. So that's not something that would be new for us. That is an ongoing part of the evolution of our organization."
It's not clear if Washington County will appeal the decision.
The decision by the seven-member jury comes after a long legal journey for Hope. It included a judgment against her by a federal judge, which was later overturned by an appeals court.
Carrie Carpenter was among the jurors in Thursday's decision.
"I really feel like we came to the best decision, the right decision. It's very upsetting. It's a hard thing to do," she said. "I just hope they (the police) learn something from it. I think all of us as jurors believe that, we hope, we all said that, we hope that everybody learns something from this, not just the police."
The decision is historic not only for the rarity of a jury ruling against a law enforcement agency but also for the $2.5 million it decided to award Hope in this wrongful death suit.
Outside the courthouse, Hope and Brad Glenn hugged their supporters, including a couple of Lukus' friends who were there the night of the shooting and witnessed it.
Thank you Jesus for this victory! Bless and comfort Lukus mother!
Glad to hear about this victory over the violent police state.
"This has been a very difficult ordeal for the family of Lukus Glenn and for our deputies and their families,"Â he said in a statement.
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Oh, did the deputies go through the same ordeal of losing a son? Must of been real difficult for them- specially  when they fired without knowing if the non-lethal rounds would be efective. and they in turn would have faced manslaughter charges. they must of been sick sweating that one out.  Â
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Face it, if you have a loved one that you are concerned about and is suicidal, never call the police to help as they will only make the situation worse. Police officers are trained to deal with hardened criminals and they generally presume that everyone is.
 @Eastside Tom It's not that simple, Tom. Families are not prepared to deal with deadly threats. If a family decides not to summon law enforcement when a family member (due to head injury, mental illness, intoxication or other causes) becomes irrational and poses a genuine threat to others, then that family would then bear responsibility if that out-of-control family member injures or kills someone in the family or an innocent bystander. It is wrong to treat the safety of the out-of-control person as more important than the safety of all those nearby.
I was not there,but I think we all know that witnesses are usually not completely accurate.What I do know,is that It sounds like the cops ordered him to put down the knife several times,amd he did not. The beanbag shots did not bring him down,and then he went went toward his mother with the knife still in his knife.I do know that the cops have a right to shoot,when someone is a threat to himself and others. It sounded like the 18 year old was out of control.II do not believe that the taxpayers should have to pay,for something like this,when according to the articles the cops did what they needed to do. I know that there are some bad cops out there,but then again there are bad people out there in every profession. I di believe that if the cops had done nothing and the 18 year old had hurt or killed himself or others,people would stikk blame it all on the cops!
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 @sunshine2 Your statement is out of control.  If WC was "out of control" they would be shooting everyone who looks at them funny or worse, every hour of everyday of every year.But yeah, they are "out of control"...
Man there are two groups here, angry people who are ticked at the family, and angry people who are ticked at the sheriffâs office.
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The only person we all should be angry at is this boy. he made foolish decisions and it cost him his own life. But it is hard to be angry at the dead.
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It appears no one here knows what happened in this story. So let me help.
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Fist 8 seconds is an ETERINITY. In that time lots shots were fired. less lethal from one shotgun, less lethal from another, rounds from one live firing gun and from another.
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In 8 seconds a person can run up to 70 yards. A cut in a vial area in that time could bleed a person out. Injury from an attack can go from lethal to fatal.
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While all this is happening, this boys parentâs, law enforcement and he we all yelling. He was threatening everyone with the knife. He was claiming he was going to kill someone. When the officers thought it was safe, they shot him with beanbag rounds. Then he appeared to move toward his mother and two other officers shot him.
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Thatâs the easy short version. If you heard the 911 call, or the radio traffic it was far more chaotic then that. The parentsâ told the calltaker they feared for their lives. That the boy was running around the home with a weapon destroying things (like the glass in their car and the homeâs front door). They sounded like people who felt they were being attacked.
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But none of this matters apparently to law enforcement haters. A kid is dead and even if he had a bazooka, they would blame them for killing him first. Of course had he stabbed someone and THEY died, law enforcement would have been blamed for that instead. There is no winning with haters.
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Finally I have to say this the only reason why these people won any money was because the calltaker made a mistake. That mistake was telling the mother on the phone the bullets were less lethal (she could only overhear one radio and did not hear the other inform dispatch they had fire live rounds). So this woman wins money on a technicality.
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So when law enforcement comes to your area and no one tells you anything, you can thank this lady the silence is a result from this suit.
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I hope this family enjoys the taxpayer funded insurance money. Because it wonât replace their son, didnât help anyone do anything, and only lines their pockets.
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 @Repoman "Fist 8 seconds is an ETERINITY" - actually it is not. Time is constant. It does not 'go faster' it does not 'slow down'.
If 8 seconds is an 'eterinity' (eternity) as you claim, then those officers would had enough reaction time to subdue the boy without killing him.
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"It appears no one here knows what happened in this story. So let me help." - what is sad about this comment is, you don't know what actually happened either, so you're in fact NOT helping.
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In your other posts about police shootings, you consistently claim to know more than anyone else. You've even gone to the point to claim that Police in Oregon are the best in the nation. This is clearly not the case.
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"Time is constant. It does not 'go faster' it does not 'slow down'."
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Actually, according to the laws of physics and the theory of relativity, time is not constant.
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I do know more than most. I know apparently more than most of the people here at least. And why does my statement NOT help? I was not factually inaccurate. I have provided more actual information than any of KATU's reporting. And if the allowed, I could provide more.
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I won't argue with you about the 8 seconds. You are taking a claim of observation and taking it technical. A watch pot does indeed boil, but you tell me it if takes "longer" than it not being watched. Oh and 8 seconds a person CAN run 70+ yards, even I can. I can also pull out a weapon, stab a person dead or travel 10 feet and put multiple stab wounds into a person. All of which means 8 seconds, as immutable amount of real time it is, is far more than enough to be lethal with or without a firearm.
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And I stand by my statements Oregon has the best Fire, Police and EMS in the nation. I defy anyone to prove me different. Show me who has better standardizations, training requirements or even records. You think WCSO has a poor record of people abuse? Have you looked at any other state? You show me in definitive terms a state with better standards and I will step off my claim. But you yourself have "clearly" not made the case.
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 @Agent Sydney Bristow Sorry, Agent, but you're wrong. Eight seconds in a high stress environment with a real threat of deadly force is a very long time. Your comment makes clear that you simply don't understand basic tactical situations and while you mean well, you simply don't know what you're talking about.
@Agent Sydney Bristow @Repoman . In those 8 seconds, The kid could have put down the knife and stopped the situation right there.
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He is dead because of his own actions ,not the officers. Now the mother has made a profit of the death of her son( just lika Arron Cambells' Mom and Travon Maritin's Mom is trying to do now).
 @Agent Sydney Bristow  @Repoman It is obvious that you have never been in a situation where your adrenalin is flooding your veins. I have been in such a situation, and my sense of time was DRAMATICALLY altered. Even though the incident occupied only a few seconds of "real-world time," to me it was like everything was moving in slow motion, and I had all of the time in the world to deal with the situation.
 @Altazi Same here. Just last September.  It's amazing how much I can clearly think and remember in the 1-2 seconds that I had when I was in the backseat of a car that was hit by a tanker truck doing 60 mph.  I looked up, this thing was 100-200 feet away, coming right at me.I clearly remember thinking "Freightliner" and seeing the thing trying to steer away before we were hit, knowing in that micro-second that I couldn't jump out in time, and curling myself in a ball with my arms around the back of my neck.It was only 1-2 seconds.With 8 seconds in a dynamic and changing situation with an out of control kid with a knife, there weren't a lot of options for the officers.  I think it was justified.Â
i wasn't there, and I wasn't even in the courtroom to hear all the evidence. But from the news stories (and my own three experiences with really chaotic situations) it always seemed to me that your take on the case was the correct one.
A hopped up kid (and an athlete, at that) can cover a lot of ground really fast. The kid gets hit with the bean bags but still doesn't drop the knife. Instead, he keeps threatening people.Â
It seems to me that WashCo should appeal this one. I feel for the family's loss, but I believe the deputies did what they had to do.
His Mom calls and reports that he is dangerous. What did she expect the police to do? Come by and hold his hand? Sing campfire songs? Perhaps perform some meditation with aroma-therapy?
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If you are so frightened that you need to call the police to deal with your child, there are some major problems. You shouldn't be shocked when LE deals with them as you requested.
Washington county cops are out of control
 @sunshine2 All cops are out of control and trigger happy.
 @Jim330rifle What a wonderfully simplistic world you must live in. Perhaps someday you might join us in the real world where one needs to use one's brain a bit more than that.
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Yeah shooting dangerous people who have weapons when less lethal didn't stop them from charging at people.
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We need to keep those cops from keeping people safe!
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Kayla have you ever spoken to multiple witnesses of a crime? Have you ever hear testimony of those witnesses on the stand?
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There is an adage in law enforcement (a joke but it makes the point); The only thing worse than no witnesses or more than one.
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Witnesses always disagree. Point a view, when people saw what, what they were doing to distract them, all of this means witness accounts always different to some degree and are HUGELY disparate from one or another.
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Now if the officers had all said the same thing, THAT would be suspicious, like they had rehearsed what to say to make sure their stories âall match upâ.
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So take those differences with a grain of salt. If anything it lends credibility to their statements. They were willing to say different things, because they felt what they were saying is the truth as they knew it.
@Repoman @sunshine2 If you don't know what actually happened then don't speak. It's really irritated reading peoples comments who really have no clue what happened and only have the perception of what the 2 second media stories show. He had a pocket knife, not a real knife. He didn't charge at anyone. He was drunk and suicidal, he would never hurt his family. The cops were there for less than 4 minutes. And in a matter of seconds (I beleive it was less than 2 seconds) shot 8 bean bag rounds and 11 lethal of which 8 hit Luke. There were Tigard and Wa County cops there, the Wa County cops were the ones that shot him. There was no time between bean bag and lethal. He had a pocket knife, a pocket knife!  If you are too ignorant, the fact that the head honcho for wa county and the wa county cops doctored the police reports should say enough. Why falsify information if you don't think you were in the wrong? Â
 @Kayla H "He had a pocket knife, not a real knife." A pocket knife is a real knife that is quite capable of killing people. "He was drunk and suicidal, he would never hurt his family." You seem very certain of your guess but make no mistake - it is only a guess. There are numerous documented cases of intoxicated, suicidal people killing people. You don't know that and the responding officers can't assume that. " And in a matter of seconds..." Again, the span of time is completely irrelevant. Those who are educated about handling high stress tactical scenarios know that the relevant question is - does the subject pose an immediate threat of death or serious bodily injury to someone (including family members, bystanders and responding officers)? If yes, then deadly force is appropriate. If no, then deadly force is not appropriate. You are correct when you say that the ignorant should not comment. The problem here is that you don't know enough to understand that you are ignorant.
 @Kayla H  @Repoman  @sunshine2 Kayla you are an idiot.  A pocket knife is a real knife.  It is a lethal weapon.  He was out of control by everyones account, and refusing to drop the knife.  Lets meet up, you stand still and I'll come at you with a pocket knife.  Let's see how much damage I can do to you in a few seconds.
 Another example of your ignorance is no one "doctored" the police reports.  You watch too much T.V. and let your imagination run away with you.
And why lie through your teeth in court.... every account was different. Why didn't any of the officers keep the same story? Oh that's right, because they lied.
Caspertoo, the police could of just used the beanbags, but decided to act in haste. It sounds like to me that some people need to get educated in "what the effects alcohol does to the mind when you have too much".  I've witness the nicest people when they are sober but when they have too much, they are totally a different person. I don't want to hear, well it is Luke's doing because he drank, he was a teen. This could of been the first time he drank, I don't know, but I feel in my heart that if he didn't have that alcohol in his system this wouldn't have happened.Â
 @Joella S. The problem with your comment is that it demonstrates a fundamental lack of knowledge about handling high-stress, tactical situations. When deciding whether to use deadly force, the question is does the subject pose an immediate threat of death or serious bodily injury to someone (including family members, bystanders and responding law enforcement officers)? If yes, deadly force should be used. If no, then it should not be used. The amount of time elapsed is not relevant. When you wrote "I feel in my heart", that is exactly the problem. Facts and logic are rational, feelings often are not. When deciding questions of legal responsibility, the rational mind is what is needed. Emotion clouds the issue. Many seem to feel that the cops should have given Mr. Glenn more time because they "felt" or believe" that he did not pose a threat. While these beliefs may be strongly felt, they are guesses and nothing more. Responding officers cannot trust to guesses if they are to be able to return home to their families at the end of their shifts. They have to act on what they know. What they know is that in situations like this, people do get seriously injured and killed. To expect them to put themselves at greater personal danger because of your unfounded "belief" is in effect to elevate the life of the out-of-control person above the lives of the bystanders and the lives of responding officers. That is both an irrational and immoral position.
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If you knew anything about this story, you would know they used 6 beanbags (emptied a shotgun) on this kid before they fired anything live.
Another bad civil law suit....The only people who are hurt are the innocent tax payer. Â So giving the family money is just wrong.
I AM shocked at the comments made here.. First, if this were your brother or son would you feel the same..
Second, this boy had a knife, a knife .. he did not stab anyone, he was delusional and angry, bean bags would have brought him down.. but no, this all happened in 8 seconds... REALLY ? Our police are monsters when it comes to this type of thing, then of course lying and claiming public safety.. Come on now.. I am so happy a jury could see right though those lies and bull... It's disgusting to see the sheriffs office calls this an on going training situation.. REALLY! You shot and killed an 18 year old boy and did not have to , further, they did it all in 8 seconds.. I think they should have paid her 20 million !
 @dougrpdx With all due respect, dougrpdx, your comment demonstrates that you have no realistic understanding of how to handle a high-stress, tactical situation. "if this were your brother or son would you feel the same.." How one might feel isn't relevant. Deciding on legal responsibility is a rational question of facts and logic. Emotion is often irrational and has no place in such a a judgment. "this boy had a knife" Correct, the subject possessed a knife held in a threatening manner. A knife which is a very lethal weapon. "bean bags would have brought him down.." Yet, they did not. "this all happened in 8 seconds..." When deciding whether or not to use deadly force, the question is - Does the subject present an immediate threat of death or serious bodily injury to someone (including family members, bystanders and responding law enforcement officers)? If yes, deadly force should be used. If no, it should not be used. The time period is irrelevant. "You shot and killed an 18 year old boy and did not have to" Did not have to? Says who? You say so because somehow you're "sure" he wouldn't have hurt anyone with that deadly weapon he was threatening with? You may feel strongly about your guess but it remains merely a guess. The fact is that many such situations do result in death and/or serious injuries. Responding officers cannot make assumptions, they must act upon the facts in front of them. If Mr. Glenn presented an immediate threat of death or serious bodily injury to someone then the law enforcement officers were correct to shoot him.
Bean bags DID NOT bring him down. He was close enough to be a real danger. And even a pocket knife is a real knife. Mine is really sharp and it really cuts. The test for when it is sharp enough comes when it will easily shave hair off my arm.Â
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Eight seconds is MORE than enough time for Lukus to close the distance between himself and the police. Maybe the shooting wasn't justified. The jury said it wasn't, but two judges and a grand jury said it was. And two cops who had received extensive training and who had been in many prior stressful and dangerous situations and who were right there, felt it was.
 @dougrpdx I don't know how I would feel if it were my son or brother, but I would hardly be an unbiased opinion at that point.
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The mother told the police she feared for her safety. Â She made them believe he was a real threat. Â She holds at least some of the responsibility here, along with raising a son that went a little bit crazy one night.Â
Where is the shared responsibility here. Â Surely the parents part in this is at least a 50-50 split.
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I can't stand that juries in this country just award money when it is not merited because they think that it grows on trees.
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The actual only training learned from this is to not tell citizens on the phone anymore about what actually happened until after the AAR is complete.
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Using less lethal and when that fails, lethal with a person with a weapon is still the standard.
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The only thing that has changed is this family won the civil suit lottery.
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I am so happy for this boys family.. There is no way he should have been shot and killed.. I hope his mother can find some peace just knowing that a jury finds that her son should have lived.. How sad, no one really wins but at least this vindicates the family somewhat..
2nd Baseman you must live a shallow life. I did not know Luke but I followed this story when it first came out. Luke did not have to be shot. The criminal is the one that is behind the trigger and shoots another more than once. 8 times is overkill. I am glad the jury voted they way they did. Alcohol played a big part in this, which I think you don't understand. When you drink too much it alters your thinking. The policemen involved did not have to kill him. My prayers are with the Glenn family and blessings to the jury.
 @Joella S. You seem to mean well and your compassion for the loss suffered by this family does you credit yet your comment also exposes an appalling ignorance about handling high-stress tactical situations. "Luke did not have to be shot." Really? The question is, did he present an immediate threat of death or serious bodily injury to someone? If yes, then they should have shot him. If not, then they should not have shot him. Do you know of any facts known to the officers at the time that would PROVE that Mr. Glenn did not pose an immediate threat of death or serious bodily injury even though he held a deadly weapon in a threatening manner? Of course you don't. You simply have a guess (that for some reason you feel very confident in) and you're willing to bet the lives and health of the law enforcement officers on that gut feeling of yours. In other words, you treat Mr. Glenn's life as more valuable than the lives of bystanders and the lives of the responding officers. That is both an irrational and immoral position.
I sure hope Washington County appeals this decision.......
 It is about time that the police in Portland get served a notice! They should actually use the bean bag things instead of real bullets....maybe now they'll have a couple staff meetings about it! This was a troubled person who should still be alive. Good work jury! I'm only surprised that the dude was white--Portland police usually give the white people a pass! Oh wait. forgot  Mr.Chasse.
@Philip Marlowe  """It is about time that the police in Portland get served a notice! ................. Portland police usually give the white people a pass!"""""
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 @occupyH8R Your responses say more about yourself than about the people you're trying to antagonize.
 @occupyH8R occupyH8R - looks like the admin doesn't like your inflammatory comments. buh-bye!
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@2nd Baseman If you are talking about Luke... he was a minor who was drunk and suicidal... not a criminalÂ
 @Kayla H He was a minor who had consumed alcohol in violation of the law. He was threatening others with a deadly weapon which is against the law. In other words, he was in the act of committing crime.
 @Kayla H  @2nd So being a drunk minor isn't criminal?  His own mother called and said she was afraid not only for his safety, but for others around him.I suppose that others like you think that the cops should have showed up, and been a real pal, you know, pass him a joint to in an effort to get him to calm down, then lovingly put him into custody with furry handcuffs and then taken him him for a psych evaluation.The officers responded in force because of what they were told by the dispatcher who got the information from the mother.I know you like to think that bean bags and pepper spray is all that is needed for someone that is being violent, but what if the bean bags and the pepper spray didn't work and he went back inside and started cutting people up?  How do you know he wasn't going in to do that?  You don't.Then the story would be about how the cops didn't do enough, how beanbags are not a guaranteed method of subduing someone, or how people can shrug off pepper spray, especially if someone is on certain drugs.If the cops were as bloodthirsty as you people seem to think they are, then why aren't we hearing about cops killing 15 or 20 people everyday around here?Face it, you disrespect the law, you disrespect the police, and because of it, all of your opinions are immediately against the police, and you stand up for a drunk knife-wielding teenager that is crazy and has made even his mother fear for others' safety.Because of that, I could care less about what your raging against regarding this situation and any other police-involved shootings. Â
 @Kayla H  @2nd Y0u have got to be kidding. The police did exactly as they should have under the circumstances. I hope for an appeal that is then reversed. Maybe if Luke had been drunk and killed one of your relations you would see the officer's dillima. You people that think the officers are out to kill for the "fun of it" need to be put in their shoes.   Suicidal people kill innocents all the time - read the news.
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 @Kayla H You guess that he wouldn't have hurt anyone. That's a guess. A guess upon which you expect other people to bet their lives. Sorry - that is not a rational position.
 @SilverGuardian You seem to be a well-meaning person and your compassion does you credit yet your comment exposes an incredible degree of ignorance about how to handle high-stress, tactical situations. "The idea that the cops can kill someone simply because they are suicidal and holding a weapon is ridiculous." That isn't the issue and never has been. When deciding whether to use deadly force, the question is does the subject present an immediate threat of death or serious bodily injury to someone else? (including bystanders, family members and law enforcement officers) A knife is a deadly weapon and a person (particularly an athletic person) within 20+ feet of someone is capable of killing very rapidly. You seem to believe that Mr. Glenn wouldn't have hurt anyone but while you may be confident in that guess - it remains only a guess. Law enforcement officers cannot rely on a guess - they must decide what to do based on the facts. You may think Mr. Glenn meant no harm yet the facts are that such situations do result in death and/or serious injury to others in many cases. But you are prepared to gamble the lives of the officers based upon your hunch. In other words, you treat Mr. Glenn's life as being more important than the lives of bystanders and the lives of law enforcement officers. That is both an irrational and an immoral position.
 @lee986321 "A knife can be easily taken from a person with the proper training and execution of specialized training" That has to be one of the silliest comments that I've seen in a long time. When I was younger, I trained in both Japanese Jujitsu and Krav Maga and learned techniques for disarming someone attacking with an edged weapon. However, these techniques are a "last resort" response. If one can escape the situation or if one has a weapon also, it is far better to respond that way. One would need to be an utter fool to voluntarily step into a position in which one would be forced to disarm someone attacking with an edged weapon. No matter how skilled one might be, it is an extremely dangerous undertaking.
 @lee986321  @occupyH8R  @Kayla H Lee, I don't know what kind of secret squirrel stuff you may have been part of, in real life. or in your imagination, but you are wrong.  I do know of what I speak, and it was not years ago that I just witnessed something.
Also neither you, nor I, are elite writers, so don't be attempting to slam occupyH8R for their writing. Â Your feelings will get hurt when some one corrects your comments and writing.
 @lee986321  @occupyH8R  @Kayla H Lee, you are wrong.  I do have specialized training, and disarming someone with a knife is not easily done.  One can always expect to be cut or stabbed when attempting to engage some one with a knife, often times more than once.  Pepper spay would not have made him drop the knife, plus some one would have to get too close to him to apply it.  Bean bag rounds do not fly true.  There is no way they could have shot it out of his hand as you suggest.  Plus they did used bean bag rounds, and they didn't work on him.  You do not know what you are talking about.
It seems that both you and Kayla get your "expert" training and knowledge about these "specialized trainings" from Hollywood. Â Let me let you in a little secret, Â that crap is not real, it's fake.
he did not, Repeat not follow officer orders to drop the knife. Thge officers did the correcyt thing by putting the down. Very simple , drop the knife you live, Dont follow instructions and then try to run to the very location that the person who calleed 911 is , you die.
 @Civ The problem with this excuse is that he was not charging the officers. He was in FACT trying to get back into the house, trying to avoid being hit by the bean bags.
IF he was charging the officers, then sure this would apply, but you failed to connect the two. If I recall correctly, he was shot in the BACK.
@Agent Sydney Bristow @Caspertoo No Offivcer are not trained to disarm someone with a knife here is the standard to which LEOs train: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
 @Agent Sydney Bristow  @Caspertoo They are only trained to disarm a person with a knife if they themselves are being attacked. They aren't going to just walk up to someone who is threatening with a knife and try to disarm them.
Look like lee986321, is an expert in the Teuller drill( not).
@lee986321 @occupyH8R @Kayla H . That is a bunch bs. No trained person LE or otherwise will get within 20 feet of someone with an edged weapon. Get pout of living in the Media inspired dream world. I would have shot the kid dead as well if he did not drop the knife( I really dont care if he was drunk or not).
@Caspertoo @lee986321 @occupyH8R lol you're an idiot. He didn't want to kill the cops, he was suicidal... didn't want to hurt anyone but himself... can you not comprehend that
 @Caspertoo For a master mechanic, disassembling a carburetor is easy compared to someone who isn't a mechanic.
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Several police officers could have EASILY overwhelmed a drunk teenager and taken the knife from him. You're trying to make it sound like this ONE drunk teenager somehow had an advantage over ALL of the police officers on the scene.
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 @Caspertoo - Police officers are trained to handle knife fights. They are trained to disarm suspects with knives.
 @occupyH8R  @Kayla H He did not lunge at them, and the chances of him throwing a knife at one of them and killing him was negligible.  The idea that the cops can kill someone simply because they are suicidal and holding a weapon is ridiculous.  I have always held the utmost regard for policemen, but killing someone in order to keep him from hurting himself with a knife is retarded.
 @lee986321  @Kayla H HUH?
 @occupyH8R  @Kayla H OccupyH8R by judging you so called elite writing , Your not so as elite as you think you are. I been to seem of there trainings, I have witnessed first hand how they train, though it was many years ago I have seen an witnessed training that they had at a militarily post in Oregon, and that is all the information I can and will give as it is to sensitive to share with anyone especially to the likes of YOU. So before you go bashing a Person, you have not one clue as to where I have or have not been.Nor have you a clue as to what I have nor have not witnessed.
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 @Agent Sydney Bristow  @lee986321  @Kayla H WOW, so many people there that night...
 @occupyH8R  @lee986321  @Kayla H That's right, occupyH8R - YOU were there and nobody else was.
 @lee986321  @Kayla H I guess you were there as well??
 @occupyH8R  @Kayla H A knife can be easily taken from a person with the proper training and execution of specialized training, 8 Weapons were used, that was over kill. Not to mention they could have used Pepper spray or one bean bag gun to knock the knife from his hands, this was clear and and present case of Excessive force.