Two injured in Clackamas Fred Meyer shooting
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CLACKAMAS, Ore. - Two people were taken to the hospital after a shooting inside a Fred Meyer at 16301 S.E. 82nd Drive Tuesday afternoon, according to the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office.
Sheriff's office spokesman Adam Phillips said there are no suspects at large.
The shooting happened just before 4 p.m.
The shooting victim suffered a non-life-threatening wound to his leg, Phillips said. The man suspected of shooting him was also taken to the hospital. Police said he had an "unspecified injury."
Phillips said there was some sort of argument near the checkout lines before the shooting started. Arriving law enforcement personnel quickly secured the scene and Oregon State Police assisted the sheriff's office, according to Phillips.
The investigation is ongoing and police are still interviewing witnesses and reviewing store surveillance video.
Fred Meyer spokeswoman Melinda Merrill said store employees responded "by the book" to the situation and they receive training for these types of incidents.
She said the store will provide employees with counselors.
Joann Rothi was shopping in the meat section when the shooting happened.
"To me it sounded like a book dropping on the ground - just a funny little sound," she said.
She said she saw employees quickly moving toward the back of the store and "gathering people with them as they went."
Rothi said in the uncertainty she and other customers took shelter in the back of the store.
"The gal right beside me - her kids were still out there somewhere. She was with us back in the storage unit. She was scared, she was worried," Rothi said. "What's she going to do? She doesn't know where they're at, she can't wander looking for them."
The Fred Meyer was closed for several hours as police investigated. It reopened around 8 p.m.
This Fred Meyer is just south of Highway 212.
KATU News reporter Patrick Preston contributed to this report.
I've thought of pulling my gun when an old lady in front of me in the express lane dumps a cart load on the "about 12 items" conveyer belt (just kidding all you anti-gunners who also rushed to judgment in this caser).
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The person trying to see the PIN is also the shooter, so you can bet your liberal party card that he was carring illegally and is dirty in other ways. The victim in every respect was the guy who got shot trying to protect himself from idenity theft. I hope this makes him rich.
I guess I lose my first bet, as the shooter was the alledged victim of the identity theft. The outcome of this one may be tricky.
 @Chase It sounds like the courts are going to have sort this one out.  I wonder if the shooting "recipient" was also arrested.  None of these articles say.
http://pdxtraffic.blogspot.com/2012/08/ccso-photo-attached-suspect-and-victim.html
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A 66 year old CHL holder shot a 59 year old customer.Â
From what I heard it started when 1 man looked at the others PIN # as he was punching it in the card machine.
49 comments and only one of them says anything sympathetic about the victim. This says a great deal about the people here. Hope the poor guy makes a complete recovery.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most likely the person with the gun was the true criminal. The gun will probably either be illegal, carried illegally, or stolen.
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Sure hope the guy who got shot makes a full recovery.
@Owt_Raged Jump to conclusions much?
 @I812 Yep, I do. So far I haven't sprained an ankle doing it. Thanks for caring! ;-)
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But with this new information, now I'm questioning what really led up to him pulling out his gun...
That's not what the initial reports reported.
 @doejane Dang! Someone took a chainsaw to my limb!!!
Well, this would definitely explain the dozen or so emergency vehicles we saw racing towards that area around 3:45pm, as we drove along 212 at that time. I've never seen so many police & fire vehicles driving so frantically, jumping up over curbs, driving on top of the median curb just east of 82nd on 212, speeding down the wrong direction, etc. Now that I look back at it, it seems like complete overkill for one gunshot to a leg, but I guess at the time, they didn't know it was that little, since I'm sure there were numerous calls of shots fired to 9-1-1.
Melinda Merril said employees responded by the book and we recieve training for these types of situations, lol I call bs on the training part.Â
People better behave themselves in Felony Flats or stuff like this happens.
@Billy Batts The boundaries of Felony Flats must be rapidly expanding. Pretty soon the whole metro area will be one big cesspool of degradation, unless the area can be flushed of vermin really soon.
 @Kachina  @Billy No kidding. Pretty soon it's going to look like Woodburn and Salem. When I was younger I was in this industrial band... Portland was easy. The SCARY places to play were always Bend, Albany and Springfield. Nothing more dangerous than drunk tweaker cowboys (wannabees) at a metal show. One time in Roseburg this guy sprayed lighter fluid all over himself and lit himself on fire because he was mad at the police, and he wasn't even there for the music.
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You know what they did in Portland and Seattle? Sing along.
@Billy Batts THat is not the felony flats fred meyer.
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Gun or no gun this is an attitude that indicates the decay of our society. This decay seems to be accelerating in recent times. No empathy or care for our fellow human beings. Instead we are being systematically divided. One must ask what force is capable of achieving this level of evil. The answer should be obvious.
 @Obongo Geddon I kinda see your point but, historically speaking, I'm not ready to say that we've "decayed" from much, or, at least, how far we've decayed. Extermination of the indians, enslavement, civil rights---when I was a kid in Gulfport, MS one summer in 1975, I saw the police harassing three traveling Christians because they looked like hippies. I think that while the polite society has decayed (the internet and media are hugely culpable), we have also made huge advancements on how we treat the mentally ill, veterans, the poor, minorities, women and children. If there was a better time, I wonder when it was, how long it lasted, what caused it to happen and what caused it to fail.Times are tough, and it's hot, and I think that brings out the worst in everybody. I -really- hope that's all it is. I don't think society is worse now than it was in the 1980s or the 1920s. Well, maybe some are, relatively, but I think the rest of us are all increasingly aware of an intolerant of abuse and violence.
@Obongo Geddon actually there were some interesting studies done for political purposes, the most charitable and least violent states all happen to be right wing states, least charitable and most violent happen to be left wing states. just sayin
 @franksbeans  @Obongo I ALWAYS believe unsourced studies done for political purposes that I read on the internet, don't you?
Please cite those studies. Red states most charitable? You must be kidding. And according to KGW the guy who did the shooting was trying to steal the victims pin number. Victim confronted the guy in the line and was shot.
 @franksbeans  @StonedRanger LOL! That's not the way debate has ever worked. You don't make some arbitrary claim and then tell other people to go research it for you. You can try, but, people will naturally consider it a rhetorical failure.
@StonedRanger google it I dont want to feed you with my information you will see that dc is the only blue state in the top 5 charitable
 @Obongo Geddon Ooooooo, you said empathy. That's a bad word. At least according to the media because, ya know, Hitler was "empathetic". Lol jk, I actually agree with the statement. Big things are coming though. Get ready for the ride.
@Obongo Geddon Seriously...I don't normally agree with much on here, but I have to say, I do agree with you. There's something systemic going on. On the one hand we have people who will help out to the point of being taken advantage of for thousands of dollars...and on the other we have this sort of thing. When were people told that they were entitled to this kind of behavior? I would so like to know what caused this shooting. Cutting in line? Some comment made about a food stamp recipient? I've seen both...and I'm amazed that it happens at all.
 @Obongo Geddon Dr. Evil?
If only all the customers and employees were also carrying guns, why, instead of disarming and subduing the shooter, he would have 50 bullet holes in him. And probably a couple dozen bullet holes in innocent bystanders as well. Yep. Everybody should carry a gun. That would stop gun violence. fer sure.Â
 @Kennyboy No to mention a lot of damaged merchandise.
Come on K2, get the perp's photo and description for us -- inquiring minds want to know.
 @ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsPhredE $5 says that it was a white meth addict.
Hey folks, check out the OregonLive description of events:
http://www.oregonlive.com/happy-valley/index.ssf/2012/08/shoppers_overpower_gunman_who.html
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If all true, this is a great case of 'citizen initiative'.
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@ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsPhredE AAahhhhh....now I see. Yes..YES!! Citizen initriative all the way. I totally agree with you. This guy needs to keys thrown away.
 @Bewitchin1 Here's the telling line (from the OregonLive link above):
"He suffered a non-life threatening head wound in a struggle with another customer"
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Hehehehehehe! Too bad he survived though..
@ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsPhredE @Bewitchin1 The customer who clocked him in the head probably had to use whatever was available at the checkout line.....one of those little sticks that separate your groceries from the next person in line possibly?? Guess they need to keep heavier merchandise at the end of the checkstands for just such an emergency? I suggest dumbells, in the 3-5 pound weight range. A well place thunk would bring someone down for the count.
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@portlandborn83  Uhmmm....and you'd be sitting in jail for God knows how long to prove that you killing someone was worth the effort. Someone was trying to steal your card ID...according to OregonLive. I don't think I'd want to kill someone over that...but I'd sure want him hurt majorly :)
 @portlandborn83 Who got away . . ? There was an arrest . . .
"Cleanup on Aisle 7."
 @xilef regnu Carry out needed. Check stand 7. Courtesy clerk to check stand 7, carry out needed.
@Cindy B. It was funny from the original poster. Your copycat attempt failed.
 @I812  @Cindy Wasn't really funny in the first place. People witnessed a shooting. Human lives were endangered, and somebody was shot. Maybe we shouldn't laugh about it until we know what in hell actually happened.
@xilef regnu     LMAO!!! That's a good one :D...TOO FUNNY!! LOL
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I heard what must have been 2 units from CCSO responding - and let me tell you.. there were M-O-V-I-N-G real fast.
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CCSO does a great job. Thanks Sheriff Roberts and a big thanks to the entire dept. You are doing a very good job.
Fred Meyer locates on SE 82nd DRIVE not AVENUE. It is about at least 2 miles north to Clackamas Town Center. Intersection of Hwy 224/212 and SE 82nd Drive. Be careful what will you be saying.Â
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 @bobcatboy1984 Yeah, it's the old 82nd Drive. I know because I bought a gun at the Gun Zone only a few blocks away; good deals and nice people.
 @seriously2 No.
 @Allan That's the Gun Store with the Hispanic owner . . . right . . ?
"Oooh. Guns, guns, guns. C'mon, Sal. The Tigers are playing...tonight. I never miss a game."
What ever happened to "Let's take this outside"?