'Potrepreneurs' hoping to cash in, but big risks remain

LACEY, Wash. (AP) - Kim Ridgway and her wife, Kimberly Bliss, can well envision the shop they plan to open - where they'll put the accessories, the baked goods and the shelves stacked with their valuable product: jars of high-quality marijuana.
Like many so-called "potrepreneurs" throughout Washington and Colorado, they're scrambling to get ready for the new world of regulated, taxed marijuana sales to adults over 21 - even though the states haven't even figured out how they are going to grant licenses.
Farmers and orchardists are studying how to grow marijuana. Some medical pot dispensaries are preparing to switch to recreational sales. Labs that test the plant's potency are trying to figure out how to meet standards the states might develop.
It's a lot of work for something that might never happen.
"We don't want to devote all our time and finances to building a business, only to have the feds rip it out from under us," Bliss said. "There's a huge financial risk, and a huge personal risk. We could end up in federal prison."
While marijuana remains illegal under federal law, both states legalized the possession of up to an ounce of marijuana last November and are setting up rules to govern state-licensed growers, processors and retailers.
Attorney General Eric Holder, who appeared Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the Justice Department has not yet decided whether to sue to block the measures. State laws can be trumped if they "frustrate the purpose" of federal law.
A group of former Drug Enforcement Administration heads and the United Nations drug control group this week renewed calls for the administration to sue, and some legal scholars say it's hard to see how the schemes would survive a court challenge.
Nevertheless, tempted by dreams of changing people's perception of pot and making some decent money, Bliss and Ridgway are meeting with lawyers, recruiting investors, sketching store plans and scoping out locations - all in the hopes of a grand opening on their first wedding anniversary.
After 28 years together, they got married in December on the first day the state's new gay marriage law allowed it. They say they like the idea of becoming pioneers in the cannabis industry, too.
Hilary Bricken, a Seattle lawyer advising those interested in the marijuana industry, said she's heard from people in many walks of life. Among them are a consulting firm that wants to help state-licensed growers make their operations environmentally friendly; a plant nursery that figures it already has the greenhouses; and a struggling chocolatier who sees financial salvation in "pot chocolate."
"It's super-exciting, and it's a testament to the power of industry," she said. "It's a solution for many people that are hurting economically right now, and for better or worse, they're brave.
"These are the people who are going to push the buck to change the national conversation," Bricken said.
Her law firm, Harris and Moure, has been advising clients to write business plans that cover everything from where they're getting their seed money and insurance to their security plans and protocols describing how they'll treat their employees or shareholders.
Kristi Kelly, owner of the Good Meds dispensary chain in the Denver area, is shopping for real estate and lining up investors for a potentially big expansion to the recreational market while she awaits the DOJ's decision.
She had some words of caution for green-eyed entrepreneurs looking to cash in on pot, though.
"Whatever you think it's going to cost, it's probably going to be 10 times that," Kelly said.
Since 2009, when Colorado's medical pot industry was booming, Kelly has seen many growers and sellers go bust. The industry has declined by at least a third since then, thanks in part to federal crackdowns and natural market adjustment.
Josh Chudnofsky, a 32-year-old who grows medical marijuana for patients in Snohomish, northeast of Seattle, wants to position himself to obtain a grower's license, but isn't sure how.
"Do I try to get an agricultural license and try to transfer it to a pot license? Do I get a small-business license?" he asked. "I've been calling around but nobody has any answers."
In the meantime, he's been making tentative plans to expand his 30-plant grow operation. He has lined up investors, checked on industrial and commercial spaces he could rent and talked about buying his own building. He has no criminal record, he noted, and he doesn't want one. If he doesn't get a license, he won't do it.
Ridgway, 50, and Bliss, 52, don't have much experience in the pot business, but Ridgway is an authorized patient and said she's been around dispensaries enough to know how they work. She uses marijuana to treat arthritis and severe anxiety; Bliss uses it occasionally to relax after work.
They have another thing going for them, they said: They previously worked at a wholesale meat company run by Ridgway's family, and know what it's like to have nitpicking inspections and regulations.
Ridgway hasn't worked since the company closed in 2010, and Bliss works as a part-time bookkeeper for a restaurant. Opening a marijuana store would give them earning potential they don't otherwise have as under- or unemployed women in their 50s, they said.
But their primary goal is to help change attitudes by helping to teach people how useful cannabis can be in its medical, recreational and industrial uses. Bliss said it will not only increase state tax revenue but benefit the entire community.
Smiling, she added: "I'm not going to be used to having that kind of money."
Wow.....Surprise, surprise.... KATU puts a picture of a lesbian couple that is promoting selling dope. Government sanctioned, legalized drug dealers? Â Seriously?..... Â Some people will never get the difference between right and wrong.
Aside from that. Â This stuff is just stupid. Â Ralph, you are so right on this one. Â MORE crime will result from this. Home invasions, shootings, burglaries.....more serious drug offenses.
Anyone that doesn't believe/admit that marijuana is a gateway drug is probably a user, dealer, or both.
Please go live your lives of degeneracy somewhere else, far away from the decent population. Â
For all of you dope smokers and promoters out there, stop trying to rationalize your habit.  You know it is wrong, just as smoking cigarettes is wrong.  It is UNHEALTHY to smoke ANYTHING, and even worse if you are a recreational user, and don't have some, "Excuse" for using.  Not that ANY excuse is valid in my medical opinion.  Get real.  Stop trying to legitimize this stupidity.
@Reeldeal101 " Some people will never get the difference between right and wrong."
You, for example, hate freedom.
"Anyone that doesn't believe/admit that marijuana is a gateway drug is probably a user, dealer, or both."
Alcohol and cigarettes are the gateway drugs. We used to shoulder-tap for Everclear in high school, because it lasted longer. Of course, with a note from mom and dad, you could smoke out behind the school.
"For all of you dope smokers and promoters out there, stop trying to rationalize your habit"
I'm not a smoker, but, you're sounding like an anti-gunner here. Stop telling people what to do, and mind your own f--king business.
@Playanekes @Reeldeal101I don't hate anything. I just don't like stupidity, or people who condone stupid behavior.  I also don't like people being able to promote behavior that they KNOW is WRONG!!!!!!! That is not freedom.  That is ignorance and focusing on self-gratification.  It appears that you don't actually think about things that much. I AM minding my own business. It is my business to keep this crap out of the lives of my children. If you want to be a contributor, promoter, or user, fine, but keep that crap out of my life.  I want nothing to do with promoting stupidity. Â
What do you teach your children? Â That smoking pot is ok? Â That being gay is ok? Â I do NOT see either of those as ok, and I will NOT promote, encourage, or endorse them. Maybe you don't have any children, but I do, and I will do everything that I can to protect them from this stuff.
Like I said, it IS a gateway drug, and anyone that doesn't believe that or recognize it is either a promoter, dealer, user, or all of the above...
I would probably find you more interesting if I had studied Psychology....
Telling me to stop telling people what to do is pretty darn hypocritical, is it not? Â That was not me telling anyone what to do, It was more of a plea to use some freaking reason and common sense.
@Fuct @Reeldeal101 Yep, probably not.  Don't plan on going there. Thanks for the invite though...
Once the money starts rolling in from these "legal" establishments in Washington / Colorado, the local governments will quickly begin to depend on this money to help pay the bills. Â
At that point I believe the federal government will have to back off to the local voting population that voted for these new laws.
Its going to be very interesting to see if the legalization of marijuana mirrors the repeal of prohibition.
For me, gimme a local microbrew
I see a lot of potential for a lot of scams, robberies and crimes related to legal growing operations.
It will be interesting for sure.
@RalphCramden You mean just like it is now....
@deejm2112
Legalizing it was supposed to fix the crime issue. The law will do nothing to stop that. But instead of sending people to jail for pot they will go to jail for armed robbery, home invasions and theft.
As long as there is demand for something, especially drugs, there will be crime.
@RalphCramden @deejm2112 The fallacy here is your apparent suggestion that there wasn't already marijuana in Washington. Now suddenly that it's more available, there's gonna be more crime?
Hell, there's already new Jimi Hendrix. Oh, no!
@john Went once when we were in Phoenix.  I work Sundays so my husband is a bigger fan and I've kinda given up TV, but I peek my head around the corner when he TiVos it and I watch the finals. Â
@sundowner we have something in common after all! how can you not love john force? ive followed him for years, we go to seattle every year, but now i find im becoming a ron capps fan as well, so close for so many years but no cigar as they say!
@john I am.  I know who the Snake is...but I'm a John Force fan.
@ tree wizard, no sir i am happily married for 30 years, i was refering to >>>
âSUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SEE TOM âTHE MONGOOSEâ MCEWEN TAKE ON DON âTHE SNAKEâ PRUDHOMME IN A BEST OF 3 ALL-OUT MATCH RACE!"@john I thought you were asking me on a date to a dragrace. Obviously, there was some misscommunication.Â
whats a movie coming out
@treewizard, you asked if i was hitting on you? why would you say that?
@john What?
ummm  why would you say that?
@feral @TreeWizard @john Well, that looks like pure nonsense.Â
@john You have lost me.
ok, then i miss understood the snake vs mongoose post, sorry
@john Nope. Are you hitting on me?
@tree wizard  are you a dragracing fan?
@feral @TreeWizard I am the Mongoose to your snake.
@feral @RalphCramden @deejm2112 You make it sound like it is anti-American to not support Wells Fargo's money laundering to the Mexican cartels and cartel members beheading people at the border.Â
Folks, I can't believe what I read in the news here.. First I have to say since I moved to Portland I have noticed all of you , yes I said all, are to cowardly to make comments like these to my face, you do this behind folks backs...
For a city that claims it progressive it's astonishing to see how many of you are bigots about gay people in the year of 2013... I would expect that kind of reaction from a back woods area of West Virginia or Kentucky, not in a city this size... Anyone with negative things to say about gays are just ignorant billies who refuse to get educated on the subject, period !
@dougrpdxDon't worry, most of those folks are not people you will meet in real life. Â Judging from their communication skills there is very little change they have meaningful relationships with people.
@darren vandervort @dougrpdx Speak for yourself, Mr. very little, "Change."
I would add, that your statement is partially true, in that SOME of these people have very poor communication skills indeed.
@dougrpdx Why to be bigoted against back woods West Vurginians and Kuntuckians.
@dougrpdxÂ
The bottom line is that people are free to like or dislike whatever they want to. It will never end.
Personally I don't like gnomes for lawn ornaments. Or flamingos for that matter.
@RalphCramden @dougrpdx I kinda detest living close to anyone who LOVES wind chimes.  They're fine in small doses, but I live in a canyon where the wind comes up every day....I'm glad my 'neighbors' are far away, but at night I can hear them....grrrrr.
@RalphCramden I can handle the bamboo ones -- it's kind of a muffled peaceful sound.  But those glass tinkly ones give me goose bumps....not the good kind of goosebumps, the fingernails-on-a-blackboard kind.  Where I live it's an oddity to even hear a plane fly over and we hear sirens about twice a year when someone on the golf course has a heart attack.  Quite often I hear a train whistle from about 4 miles away -- very nice.  There -- did I make you feel better?  LOL!
@Sundowner @dougrpdxÂ
Now you did it. You got me started. My wife loves wind chimes. I have had her remove them several times because they drive me nuts. I like peace and quiet and just like to hear the wind howling during a storm. I don't need to hear it with the wind chimes.
Thanks, thanks a bunch for getting me started on that one....8-}
@dougrpdx I have to say I agree with you based on this story.  I was here earlier today & while they started that way, the majority of the posts at least had something to do with the topic of the actual story.  I googled one of these ladies names to see what other stories must be out there.  First story was a re-print of this AP story complete with pictures & tagged to the "Faith" section of The Blaze.  It's shocking and appalling to see KATU comments seem to mirror Glen Beck followers.  Only really pathetic people see this as a story to grab onto for pro-religion & anti gay commentary. Â
@auditor @dougrpdx I truly believe some get so carried away because they lack flexibility, compassion and more than anything a willingness to accept people as they are.
@doug   where would you like to met? i can help you see the error of your ways!
@john You know John, the one I really feel sorry for is you wife... This poor woman thought she was marrying a man, instead she married a gay man who is full of hate towards gays because he can't face his own demons, sad for her, sad for you and a tragedy for your children...Â
@djshimon  lover her who her?  huh?
@hokeywolf @john That is because the gays used to be ashamed of doing what they do, not praised for it.. Why would you openly talk about something that you didn't think should be occurring?
@john She, We are to Love Her!
@dougrpdx @john LOL, don't look now, but you are sounding like one of them back wooders.
@hokey  yes there are many false gods but only one true god, and we are to love only him!
@hokey  we christians have a sense of humor as well, we even poke fun at each other too!
@feral  no ill pass on that, but i will shake his hand when we meet
@john That reminds me which god are you talking about? You do know that the 1st commandment implies that there are more than one god.
@feral @hokeywolf @john I said that the old testament (which I know I'm misspelling) is the book for the jews. See Jon Stuart. As he said that's his book.
@hokey yes thats correct we do love everyone! but we hate  the sin against god!
@feral @dougrpdx @john Sorry but I love to poke fun at christians.
@john No that's old testament. That's for the Jews. You need to read the new testament. Which says love everyone.
why yes hokey, by the way i loved that cartoon,  we do, and no he didnt say anything about gays, that term came 2000 years after he died, it is written that man shall not lie down with man, and woman shall not lie doen with woman in the bible!
@john I thought christians followed the teachings of Jesus? I don't recall Jesus ever saying anything about gays.Â
@doug, again with the name calling? i dont know what to tell you i havent already, as a christian, i dont hate a gay person, in fact i have several gay friends, as a christian i hate the sin, now do you understand?
@john John... where would you like to met ? really ? Grammar 101, where would you like to meet ?  Thanks for playing back woods West by God Virginian !
@playanekes,   why would they block our accounts? and people meet every day! i dont see your point?
@reeldeal, i couldnt agree more sir! thats why im here to help him! all he has to do is ask for it!
@dougrpdx @john Careful, guys. The forum admin will block both of your accounts for arranging this kind of meet-and-greet.
@dougrpdx @john Seriously dude? Grow the heck up. Stop insulting and attempting to antagonize people just because you don't like yourself.  People don't dislike you for being a degenerate, they dislike you for being an a**.Â
somewhere in portland? a mcmenamins perhaps?
@doug grammer 101? where is that? se portland?  what do they serve?
@john Right... .... Sure you would
@playanekes     really? do i sound like a terrorist? do you think i want to kill people?
@john In other words, you think you're some kind of Osama Bin Laden.
@treewizard  what is right? believing in the lord our god and obeying his commandments, that sir is whats right!
@ doug i wouldnt bet your house on that! really i wouldnt!
thats the way i am most civil indeed, you will never see me do what they do!
@The Resistance @john I think Doug confused Portland with San Francisco.Â
@john --- jealousy John. Kudos for keeping it civil.
huh?
@dougrpdx @john --- bring on the names when people disagree with you, typical lib tactic.
@The Resistance @dougrpdx @john What is right?
@dougrpdx @john --- that's the problem, too many people kept their mouth shut when they should have stood up for what's right.
im sure you chose that name with the show in mind right?
@johnÂ
You have me confused with Ralph Kramden. I get that a lot. But my name is spelled with a "C".
@RalphCramden @dougrpdx I might have said "cheap fiddle", but close enough!
one of these days alice!  pow! right in the kisser!
@dougrpdx
I can't believe you are falling for this troll. He is playing you like a violin.
@doug, who did you post this to? i assume it cant be for me, my wife of 30 years loves me as she did 30 years ago, and my two sons as well of course, we stiil see each other many times a week, so unless you meant someone else, again you are wrong sir!
@doug, why the name calling sir? i have not resorted to that, why do you? i am not a hateful person, just an average christian at best
@john Spoken like the hateful bigot you are... Pathetic man is what you are !
@doug, no sir on the contrary i am compelled to help spread the word to those who choose the wrong way, so in other words, i will not shut up, i will speak out to help!
I would bet my house your marriage is in shambles, you wife hates you and your kids don't want to ever see you again.. Sound about right ?
@john You duty is to shut up.. read ur good book boy !
@sundowner i never said that, but god did make 3 perfect people, you can figure that one out right?
@doug  no im not a fairy! i married a woman, but i will help you if you want, its my duty as a christian
@john Careful there, john -- you've just said God screwed up and wasn't perfect in how he made us.  And I thought God was perf.....never mind.
@john Really.. you and your fairy in the sky have it all figured out... Sure you do.. Think about that.. Think Really thinkÂ
yes, im here to help people like you understand what is the right and true way the lord intended for us all!
@dougrpdx This is the wild wild west! Welcome!