Proposed casino can keep 'Grange' name for now
TIGARD, Ore. (AP) — Developers who want to build a casino outside Portland wanted to evoke a large central gathering place, so they called their project "The Grange."
They didn't count on angering the National Grange, a fraternal organization that threatened to file a lawsuit saying the name was trademarked.
Both parties said Wednesday they've reached a truce that will allow the project to be called "The Grange" until the November election, when voters will decide on two ballot measures that would authorize the casino. After that, if the ballot measures pass, the developers can drop the name or both parties can talk again about a longer-term licensing agreement.
Casino backers apologized, saying they should've asked for permission before using the name. They agreed to pay a fee to the National Grange and include a disclaimer on campaign materials saying National Grange is not affiliated with their project. Neither side would say how much the developers are paying to use the Grange name temporarily.
"Going forward, we are committed to ensuring that the public understands that Grange is a registered trademark of The National Grange and is not endorsed or affiliated in any way with our campaign," said Jeff Parr, co-chief executive of Clairvest Group Inc., a Toronto-based private equity firm that is a primary investor in the proposed Oregon casino.
Clairvest and its partners have spent heavily promoting The Grange in television ads and glossy mail brochures. Their development would include a casino, hotel and movie theater in Wood Village, east of Portland, if voters sign off on Measures 82 and 83 later this year.
National Grange, based in Washington, oversees more than 2,000 local Grange units that do community service and advocate for rural and agricultural interests.
"We hope this resolution will allow the public to continue to see the grange as a community organization, steeped in family values, that is not involved in a casino development in the state of Oregon," said Ed Luttrell, president of the National Grange.
The organization has licensed the name to other organizations and is open to discussing a similar arrangement with the casino developers, but a final decision would be made by a national board, Luttrell said. The organization takes no position on gambling or on two Oregon ballot measures, he said.
In July, Mazen Malik, a senior economist in the Legislative Revenue Office, prepared an analysis for the Financial Estimate Committee, which includes State Treasurer Ted Wheeler and Secretary of State Kate Brown, assigned to evaluate the fiscal impact of the casino.
Only two of the six scenarios Malik ran showed a net gain for the state, ranging from $32 million to $53 million, if a smaller casino is built. Those are the numbers the committee accepted.but they are not applicable to the current plan.
Under actual accounting measures, far more money is diverted from the lottery than comes back to the state. Oregon government coffers would lose as much as $163 million a yearâeven after the casinoâs seemingly generous payment is factored in.
But their study states âWe think they are overestimating Lottery losses and underestimating economic benefits,âÂ
because most lottery players gamble within three miles of their homes and would continue to do so.Â
So they think that someone who plays video poker three miles away will continue to do so?????
And the state will Not lose that lottery income...
This is just wrong for Oregon
There are a lot of comments about not seeing the crime rates increase in areas with casinos. I too live in a county with one casino and border by two others. And it is true that crime rates do increase over a period of years.
First, crimes associated with casinos are usually property or paper crimes.  Measure 11 in the late 90s added this type of crime because of the increase in activity. Prior to the legislative vote a grad study was performed on the effects of Measure 11 crimes, which indicates that many of these crimes were plea bargains through the District Attorney's office and not accessible for review. In short, the courts are overwhelmed with activity so the public rarely sees the affects unless you check the Justice Department Statistics for Oregon.
Secondly, many gambling crimes involve multiple addictive persons (drugs, alcohol, or depression) so crimes are not always attributed to gambling compulsive behavior. Gambling has only been accepted as a compulsive addiction in the last few years.
There is a single detail here that puts me in the immediate "NO" category. Not only is the primary investor NOT in this region, it isn't in the state, or even in this country!Â
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I welcome ideas to generate new jobs, especially those with insurance. And we NEED more ways to get money to the schools - even though I have no children of my own.
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So the location before the story says "Tigard OR." Is the casino going to be built in Tigard, or was this meeting held in Tigard?
 @lped The photo indicates the press release happened at the Tigard Grange, in Tigard.
I trademarked the word "The". I will be suing too
I don't like that they are trying to trick us by calling it a "Grange." I got the pamphlet in the mail and the word casino is only on it in one place. We are going to have all this stuff.....oh, and a casino too, but don't worry about that...
It makes me angry. Even I was going to consider it, the way they are already trying to put a mask on it makes me nervous and I don't trust the developers at all!
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That being said, I kind of get why the National Grange doesn't want to be affiliated with the project, but I think it's stupid to say there is some kind of trademark on the word "grange." I call the bingo hall a "grange" and I have heard of a place where people go to dance being called a "grange". It just means it's a gathering place.
 @kumitekat "I call the bingo hall a "grange" and I have heard of a place where people go to dance being called a "grange". It just means it's a gathering place."
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Way back when, that's exactly what happened at Granges. They were large gathering places and provided an alternative gathering place than a church. It was so long ago that the name stuck or became part of the vernacular culture of the area but, as we lose Grange Halls and our agricultural way of life, the original identity gets lost.
I'd like the proponents of the debacle to actually sign a contract with Metro to do what they're advertising if the measures pass. Of course, they won't.
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Once the measures pass, they'll be able to build only what they want (minimal casino) that will produce only minimum wage jobs (actually displace for other venues, so NO jobs "Created"). The water park will quickly be axed, as will the concert venue, the farmer's market,etc. (Reality check: these people are in it for the money, and those things are not money makers and won't actually attract people to the casino, based on the experience of Las Vegas).
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If it passes, what will be built is NOT what they are advertising.
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I'm voting NO on both.
I wondered about that the first time I heard a commercial for that place, a "Grange" is historically a union hall for agriculture. If it's a casino, call it that!Â
I'm voting NO on this.  All that I see this casino doing is funneling money away from the Oregon Lottery (and thus state resources and jobs) and sending that money out of state.  Oregon doesn't need more low paying service industry jobs.  We need jobs that actually produce a product.
@UtterReality ....sending it where? "produce a product"..........??? Manufacturing in the U.S. requires labor that is usually unionized. and that doesn't work economically.
 @Rob C Reality check: less then 6% of American workers are unionized. In manufacturing, the number is still only 12%. (Source: AFL-CIO, US Dept of Labor, US Chamber of Commerce).
 @Rob C  @UtterReality Boeing jobs produce products in the same community and the wages are much better.
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Stop asking the same question over and over. The money will go to Canadian and Lake Oswego investors, state bureaucrats, and rural agencies that get handouts because they can't pay for their own schools.
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Build a casino in YOUR neighborhood if you want one. Fairview and Wood Village ALREADY TOLD THE CASINO PEOPLE TO POUND SAND. WE DON'T WANT IT HERE.
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What they need is a MAX line to Lake Oswego. To hell with them if they don't want it and it introduces crime? You see, it'll create JOBS. Funny how LO types tell everybody else how to operate their community but take a stand when people try to do it to them.
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They can call it anything they like. The measures will both fail.
VOTE YES on 82 and 83!! There are at least 5 casinos that I know of in Oregon(Lincoln City, Grande Ronde, Canyonville, Pendleton, Coos Bay), and I don't think that there is much crime associated with the casinos in and around those areas. The Portland area is already crime-ridden, but I don't think a casino in Wood Village would make the crime problem here much worse. This is a win-win for the area, the money it could raise and for the thousands that it would employ. So VOTE YES on 82 and 83!!
 @bobcatboy1984 Build it in YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THEN. We already told you people to take a freakin' hike, and, by the way, we're putting our kid through private school, so, low-income jobs to build poorly-run public schools for welfare families doesn't interest me.
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What we need is a methadone clinic, some strip clubs and a marijuana grow operation in YOUR community. JOBS, PROFITS, TAXES...Â
I thought that the civil discussion was useful. Now you've turned it into a bitter rant that serves no ones purpose but your own !
 @bobcatboy1984  "the money it could raise"
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Raise for whom? Â The article says a Toronto-based equity firm is the a primary investor. Â That means more money leaving the state and the country. Â Who else are the stakeholders? Â Any Oregon companies? Â Â And, yes, it will provide jobs but these are service industry jobs which typically don't pay that great. Â
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For me there are too many questions unanswered and too many answers I don't like to get behind this. Â
Why does that mean more money leaving the state and the country?
 @Rob C  I'm talking about profits, not taxes, leaving the state/country.  But since you mention taxes, I'd like to know if the companies building & operating this facility are receiving tax breaks.
@Beti ......significant portion? That's based on what part of the tax code? Won't property taxes, payroll taxes, income taxes, license fee's, business taxes all stay here?
 @Rob C The investment firm is in Canada, therefore profits (not all necessarily but some significant portion) will be going to Canada. Â
 @bobcatboy1984 I also see less traffic on Highway 18, which means less terrible car accidents. More tax money for the state as well as more jobs. So I agree with you on this.
 @Yamhill354 Whoever designed the roads at Spirit Mountain did a VERY good job. Right turns only. I grew up on the coast and visit monthly, and I've been at the 22/18 junction at Valley Junction, sitting for 2-3 minutes, waiting to turn left as the traffic just keeps coming. No worries there at Spirit Mountain. Knowing where they want to put the new casino, I hope they do the same there should the measures pass.
A casino in the Gorge, that will now never happen now, wasn't such a bad idea was it Portlanders!
These guys are a total sham. Notice that they're from Canada and Lake Oswego, stealing the name from the Grange, having a meeting in Tigard... Tigard? ...hey, maybe they ought to actually come out to Wood Village some time.
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I got their glossy election propaganda in the mail. It's slick, and shows the proposed casino. What the slick, glossy proposal shows, though, is forest right where Gresham, Wood Village, Fairview and Fairview Village or the nursery across the street should be. It doesn't show the Lowe's, the Kohl's, the Fred Meyer right next to it. Conveniently ERASED from the propaganda and replaced by a forest that doesn't exist.
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If you people believe they're doing it for the good of the community, then explain to us voters why they're not doing it in THEIR community. This part of town doesn't need drunks, gambling addicts, drunk drivers, panhandlers, minimum-wage casino-employee families, the associated riff-raff, and the inevitable poverty that happens when the casino finally fails.
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It could be a theme park, or a family fun center. A school. A performing arts or community sports complex, a public pool, all of the above. Right now the parking lot gets used for motorcycle safety courses, public auctions and the occasional traveling carnival. Lots of things better for the community than a casino but we all know it's not about Wood Village or Fairview because these have been conveniently erased from the concept imagery on their glossy brochures. This is a group of outside investors who think they can snow the stupid, poor, desperate people they presume us to be with their glossy propaganda and "community" BS.Â
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Most of the employees would be brought in from elsewhere because Wood Village doesn't have the kind of population to staff a casino. So, all they're doing is bringing in minimum-wage workers from someplace else. In no way does overpopulation by under-earning families help a community.
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I hope they lose their backsides on this one. What part of NO! GET LOST! TAKE A HIKE! WE SAID NO ALREADY! do they pretend to not understand?
@Dienekes4160 .....also, is it important where they are from? What significance do you attach to that other then yor assertion that profits end up in Canada? I don't get it.
 @Rob C  @Dienekes4160 It is important because according to the enlightened KATU community, bad things come from places where white people generally aren't from, like Mexico. Imagine if a couple of Mexican entrepreneurs wanted to build a casino. These thought-provoking message boards would be having many different conversations.Â
 @Rob C "What significance do you attach to that other then yor assertion that profits end up in Canada?"
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 @Beti  @Rob C Exactly. You answer the question, and they pretend to ignore the answer. If this was a locally-owned enterprise I might have a different opinion but, maybe not.
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 @Rob C  @Dienekes4160 "also, is it important where they are from?"
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I dunno. What if they were Chinese, Iranian, Russian or North Korean? Suddenly, it matters, doesn't it. Yes, it's important where they're from Not Here.
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The thing you're not acknowledging is that the local community already told them to go to hell. We Don't Want It Here. Do you finally understand?
 @Dienekes4160 Of course they're not doing for the good of the community, they're doing it to line their pockets.
 @molotovmouse  @Dienekes4160 It's the KATU way. At least for themselves.
@molotovmouse .......I don't have a dog in this hunt but profit and gain aren't bad things !
@molotovmouse ......you and me both !!!
 @Rob C  @molotovmouse Exactly. If I had the money I 'd probably try and open a casino as well.
Moot point since neither measure will pass and hopefully for the last time.Hey fellas, if you want it so badly, build it in Lake O. We don't want it here.
@Mazda84 .......where would you build it in Lake O ?? Where is their a dilapidated propert there sitting idle that could be put to this use?
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I vote we declare eminent domain, drain it, pave it, and build the casino there. Who cares what the Lake Oswego community says about it. It'll create JOBS, and TAXES, and it's a much wealthier community out there so it's a much better business proposal.
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If this passes, the next time around I'm voting for unlimited public access to Lake Oswego. Besides, that place stinks. Have you smelled it lately? Donald Trump and a bunch of chlorine could really clean the place up. You could put in a fountain...
How about a floating casino? Â :)
@UtterReality ....would not physically work. Shallow. Moorage.
Oh man, whatever. Home home on the grange...
How can the word Grange be Trademarked the word has been used for centuries in England. It means a country house with farm building attached. By the way I will vote yes to the Grange.
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It's the name of organization in _this_ country. Â Not just a description of a building.
 @Arther Daily This is not England.
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If this passes, I'm going to vote for every prison, drag strip, airport, strip club, nuke plant, bike lane, MAX line, oil refinery and industrial development I possibly can that might possibly be located in your peoples' backyard. They should build a casino in YOUR neighborhood and create all those low-income service-industry jobs. The idea that Wood Village is going to become some sort of profitable tourist destination is an absolute freakin' joke. Most Oregonians are afraid to visit this part of the county. People who buy that BS must also think that developing MAX out through Rockwood and Gresham helped improve things there.
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In fact, I don't think English will be the default language of the service employees of the casino, if you get my drift.
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"They should build a casino in YOUR neighborhood and create all those low-income service-industry jobs"
Actually there already are low-income service-industry jobs in everyone's neighborhood....ever heard of Wal-Mart?  Target?  McDonalds?  Taco Bell?  Jack in the Box?  Should I continue?  The casino jobs come with benefits, something a lot of the others don't, and don't forget the tips those in the casino will be makign!
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"Â The idea that Wood Village is going to become some sort of profitable tourist destination is an absolute freakin' joke."
Hmmm, do you know what the number 1 tourist destination is in Oregon?  Any idea at all?  Spirit Mt. Casino.....and that is in the middle of no where.  A casino in Portland, bigger and newer than Spirit Mt., with a water slide park, a bowling alley and a roof top bar/restaurant is going to be a gold mine.  Also the local economy (the economy in YOUR neighborhood) will get a boost as well with people staying at local motels, eating at local restaurants, buying gas at your local stations.  If this casino get's built, I would bet everything I have that in it's first year of existence it will beat Spirit Mt. as the #1 tourist destination in Oregon.
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"Most Oregonians are afraid to visit this part of the county"
Yet Portland has the most tourist visits out of any other city in Oregon. Â
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 @Dienekes4160  @Arther Daily Well I live in a community with a Casino and see none of the problems you are yelling about.. And even the lowest paid make more than minimum wage, plus have insurance. Have you bothered to check the job listings for Chinook Winds in Lincoln City or Spirit Mt in Grand Ronde?   We are not talking about a Carnival hiring people for 3 days to a week at minimum wage. As far as the Casino not being "Good Enough" for Wood Village, it used to be a dog race track for heavens sake, talk about something bringing in a bad crowd, now it seems to me that would be it.Â
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"Good to know, but, you don't live a mile from the MAX line."
I thought we were talking about the casino. Â What does MAX have to do with the casino?
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"We already told you we don't want it, is it that hard to understand?"
1. So you speak for everyone in your neighborhood now? Â How self-righteous of you!
2. The voters get to vote on it, is it that hard to understand?
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"Maybe yours needs a strip club or a porn store."
Maybe they do, and I would welcome it....unlike you, I am not ruled by emotions but by reality!  By the way, there are porn stores in every neighborhood...it's called the internet!  Maybe your own house fell under that category some late and lonely Saturday night?
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 @Yamhill354  @Arther Daily "Well I live in a community with a Casino and see none of the problems you are yelling about.."
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Good to know, but, you don't live a mile from the MAX line. I didn't force you to accept a casino in your community, so, how about you don't force one on mine? We already told you all we don't want it. Is that hard to understand?
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My community is within earshot of the old dog tracks. Maybe yours needs a strip club or a porn store. The whole state could vote on it, and we could use the money to fund schools. Plus, hey... ...jobs, right?Â
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And I and my many friends will be voting a resounding "NO"
@Mazda84 ......why? I'm undecided
@B Smizzle ......I was trying to have a better understanding of this issue but dienekes turned into a personal tirade. And unfortunately the huge "not in my backyard" response took over.
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âMy grandfather was a captain of the Multnomah County Reserves, owned houses in the neighborhood, and patrolled there. My dad and I both I learned to drive on those streets."
Great, what does that have to do with pointing out there was gambling and drinking at MKC....the same thing you lament the Casino is going to do?Â
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"I live there. Are you telling me not to drive in my own neighborhood? Do YOU live here?"
No that is not what I am telling you, and if you had bothered to read the rest of the sentence and quote it (I noticed you didn't) you would see that I said UNLESS YOU LIVE THERE don't drive on those streets. Sucks that you live by there and will have to deal with traffic but you don't own the roads, we all do. Sucks to live in a big city and deal with traffic, if you don't like it MOVE!
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"They built MAX, subisidized housing"
Yawn, what does that have to do with a casino. You said building a casino will run down Woodvillage just like Rockwood....again, what casino brought down Rockwood. Trying to compare a methadone clinic to a casino is quite a stretch! You said "and there was no lottery or gambling. It was actually a really nice place. (Remember when Rockwood was safe at night?) " Again what lottery or gambling brought down Rockwood's safety? Also it is subsidized not subisidzed!
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"There are THREE schools within two blocks of the proposed casino site that don't show up in the artists' rendering. If somebody proposes a strip club there, most of you people would absolutely blow a gasket. But, a casino next to a day care, elementary and middle school...gee, what a FINE IDEA."
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What exactly will be so bad and happen to these schools if a casino is built close by? Come on give us specifics not just gambling by a school is bad! After all there is already gambling and drinking by the schools.
Also how come you don't talk about the Water Park or Bowling alley they will build....you know, family friendly fun?Â
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IfIi lived close by I MIGHT feel like you due to traffic but that's it. You need to get control of your emotions as that is the only argument you have EMOTIONAL....to the point you don't even read everything I say and misquote me!
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"Not sure if you realize this or not but MKC used to allow gambling and drinking and did crime rise because of it.."
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My grandfather was a captain of the Multnomah County Reserves, owned houses in the neighborhood, and patrolled there. My dad and I both I learned to drive on those streets.
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"Don't drive along Halsey, Glisan or along 223rd,"
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I live there. Are you telling me not to drive in my own neighborhood? Do YOU live here?
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"What casino did they build in Rockwood that lead to it's decline exactly?"
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They built MAX, subisidized housing ( a real estate tycoon sold them the land), and a methadone clinic. All of these, you know, created opportunities and jobs, blahblahblah... ...just think of how many jobs bike lane building creates.Â
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There are THREE schools within two blocks of the proposed casino site that don't show up in the artists' rendering. If somebody proposes a strip club there, most of you people would absolutely blow a gasket. But, a casino next to a day care, elementary and middle school...gee, what a FINE IDEA.
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Funny that nobody's talking about the schools, isn't it? Most peculiar, don't you think? You can see two of them from the parking lot. The third is blocked by some trees.
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"You mean, the taxes they pay"? Where might "elsewhere" be? Â The taxes they pay will go to the state,"
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It's funny how when they legalized the lottery they said how much it would benefit the schools and yet, the schools are worse now than ever. Isn't it. If you want to gamble, there is already a Dotty's in every strip mall in the state.
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 "Don't you think a project of this size would generate jobs"
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That's like saying MAX generates construction jobs. Once the construction jobs are gone, everybody is laid off but the lowest-paying workers.
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"But...a job is a job and there are enough out of work folks in east county who would love to have a job."
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They should move back to where the jobs are. Most of them weren't born here, if you get my drift. Yes, I've seen the MKC building lately. I live right up the hill. It doesn't bother me. But thanks for sticking up for my interests.
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"As for drunks, this place will have a security staff to deal with unruly people as the current tax free Indian casinos currently have."
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My family has lived in this neighborhood, within eyesight of the dog tracks except for the trees, for five generations. (Trivia: The original property deed has a white-only clause.)Â We remember the traffic chaos, the rude behavior, the trash, left behind when the races were out. It wasn't a better community because of it. That idea is a bunch of crap. Might as well say that the Reynolds district sucks now because the dog tracks shut down when actually, it was all the freakin' immigrants who moved here expecting jobs.
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A homeless shelter, by the way, is another example of a really bad idea, just like the subsidized housing and methadone clinics in Rockwood. Just about all of the retailers had to pack up and leave.
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1. Trying to link gambling to population growth is quite a reach!
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2. What casino did they build in Rockwood that lead to it's decline exactly?
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3. Not sure if you realize this or not but MKC used to allow gambling and drinking and did crime rise because of it....NO so I think that argument is shot down!
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4. Don't drive along Halsey, Glisan or along 223rd, Portland is big enough that unless you live on one of those streets, there are plenty of different ways to get around that are. Â Also MKC had EVERYONE show up at the same time and leave at the same time, the casino will be a 24 hour operation.Â
 @Dienekes4160  @Rob C  @Mazda84 I certainly respect your right to voice your comments relative to this issue.  However, most of the negative comments I read here ,are pure conjecture full of "what if's" .  Many speak authoritatively on what will happen if this project is approved but fail to back up their thoughts with facts.  Case in point:  Your comment "the taxes they raise will go elsewhere".  You mean, the taxes they pay"? Where might "elsewhere" be?  The taxes they pay will go to the state, county, cities in the area and of course, schools.  "They're going to flood the community with low income casino families".  Look around east county.  Don't you see any low income families now?  "If the casino fails, all those families will become welfare dependent".  I doubt very seriously this project (which is more than just a casino) will fail.  Don't you think a project of this size would generate jobs which just might take some of those on the welfare rolls now...off.  Not all the jobs are minimum wage (or so the backers say).  But...a job is a job and there are enough out of work folks in east county who would love to have a job.  Another poster recently wrote about all the drugs and drunks this place would attract.  Unfortunately, drugs are already a part of life in east county.  As for drunks, this place will have a security staff to deal with unruly people as the current tax free Indian casinos currently have.  I have visited Spirit Mountain Casino and several others throughout the years and have yet to see any trouble either inside or outside the casino campus.  Remember, this proposed project is more than just a casino.  As for "creating gambling addictions", there's a Dotty's Deli just around the corner.  You refer to the dog racing track many years ago generating traffic gridlocks.  I use to "moonlight" at the old MKC and the traffic problems after closing were perhaps only one hour.  this was most probably due to the fact that 223rd and Glisan were only two lane roads at the time.  Have you driven by the old MKC building lately?  I did just a few days ago.  It looks like hell.  I really can't think of anyone else who is willing to put up several million bucks to turn this into something else.  Someone suggested a homeless shelter.  Wow...great idea.  Talk about generating problems in the community.  Anyway, the backers of this project have made some lofty projections (promises).  It's up to the elected officials in the affected cities to hold their feet to the fire if the voters give their approval.  I don't think it'll pass but even so, I'll give it a "yes" vote.   Â
@Dienekes4160 "the taxes go elsewhere" .....how so? Won't there be county taxes, property taxes, income taxes by employees, development fees? And the old Kennel club is a dilapidated property doing nothing for anyone.
 @Rob C  @Mazda84 Because they're going to reap the profits, the taxes they raise will go elsewhere, and they're going to flood the community with low-income casino families and workers brought in from elsewhere. It won't benefit the community, it'll benefit a private organization in Canada. If the casino fails, all of those families will become welfare dependent but they won't be able to afford to leave the community.
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It'll be a matter of time before they need to extend MAX down 223rd to provide access to all of the gambling addicts and panhandlers, or widen the streets to make way for the Granny Buses and touring coaches. You'll pay for that because they'll lie to you about how many jobs it will create and how greatly it will reduce casino traffic.Â
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Wood Village wasn't any better off when it was the Multnomah Kennel Club. Each night when the races were over, Halsey and Glisan along 223rd were total nightmares. Not enough cops in the community to pull over all the drunk drivers coming out of that place.Â
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As a native Oregonian, you probably understand that Oregon wasn't worse off when it had half the population it has now, and there was no lottery or gambling. It was actually a really nice place. (Remember when Rockwood was safe at night?)Â That's how people like me who grew up in the east county feel about Oregon, Portland, and Wood Village.
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Hope that helps.