Report: Holt, Heichel attended same church

So, nine days goes by and not one JW comments, sends love, well wishes, anything.  It is absolutely trannsparent how they truly feel about anyone not of their 'religion'. 

 

Disgusting behavior.  Especially considering how the world poured themselves out to THE HEICHELS FAMILY AND COMMUNITY.

 

And now there is another cases of dead kids.  No, not WATCHTOWER KIDS, but kids, nonetheless:

[ http://www.katu.com/news/national/Families-of-missing-Iowa-girls-await-IDs-of-bodies-182378521.html ]

 

And how many jws will be there for these families and members of the community, in the SAME CAPACITY MANY WERE THERE FOR YOU?

 

YOU TRULY SHOULD FEEL ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES.  ESPECIALLY CLINT AND LORILEE.

 

I am profoundly dissapointed in how you actually, factually treat people, by your negligence in even posting a comment of concern.

 

And you wonder why you are so-called 'persecuted'.  You get what you give.

 

 

So, a cover up starts.

I have direct information that Jonathan Holt was not reproved.  He stepped down from being an MS after his "episode" last year.  He had not attended meetings the past few months and his wife was getting ready to seperate from him.  This info comes from someone in the same cong. who will not be identified.  They read letters in all the congs telling ones to not be interviewed by media and refer all questions to the family spokesman.  The branch sent out 2 brothers to do comfort the cong (do damage control) and the District Overseer conducted the Memorial Service on Saturday.  All this is from reliable source.

google is your friend.  your lover, if youre lucky!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/18/us/28-million-awarded-in-jehovahs-witnesses-abuse-case.html?_r=0

 

Jehovah’s Witnesses Told to Pay in Abuse Case

 

Please, public viewers and lurkers seeking info, do your research and be sure you know where a portion of your donation will be given.

 

By the way, has any Jehovah's Witness on this forum or any other forum related to this tragedy, been to the forums to express your sympathies to the family in NY that just lost their children by the hands of their nanny?

 

Krim Murders: Yoselyn Ortega, nanny accused of slaying two children in NYC apartment, awakens in hospital

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57541955-504083/krim-murders-yoselyn-ortega-nanny-accused-of-slaying-two-children-in-nyc-apartment-awakens-in-hospital/

 

I imagine most here already know what Jehovah's Witnesses think of this story and all involved; as these people have nothing to do with your religion.  Yet, many have nothing to do with your religion on these forums for WHITNEY, and look at the phenomenal response of the nation.   A nation of people you speak of in your literature and from the podium as evil and deserving of "armageddon at the hands of Jehovah".  [It is for this fact, many know how WHITNEYS MOTHER/FAMILY TRULY FEELS ABOUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE EXPRESSED AND/ OR BEEN THERE FOR HER IN THIS EVENT...we know the lingo and we know THE TRUTH of these matters....it is the public in general who do not; thusly, we prove to try and guide them to research available to determine if indeed it is truth or lies and corruption.]

 

Any problem with this process?

 

Thank you.

Will a portion of your donations to this tragedy go to help fund the WATCHTOWER BIBLE TRACT SOCIETY in the settlement amount now being appealed; CANDACE CONTI 28 MIL. AWARDED LAWSUIT?

 

Please be cautious public viewers:

 

Conti: WTS Motion re Appeal Bond - WTS Motion 10/26, Conti's Opposition 11/02, WTS Reply 11/06

 

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/240387/2/Conti-WTS-Motion-re-Appeal-Bond-WTS-Motion-10-26-Contis-Opposition-11-02-WTS-Reply-11-06

 

Thank you for your interest in the matter of all our worlds children; whatever church their parents may be baptized into.

 

And be clear that it is a fact that many Jehovah's Witnesses have already donated to help fund this settlement.

 

GOOGLE IS YOUR BEST FRIEND IN THESE MATTERS OF TRUE AND ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE.

Here's the latest.

10/26/12

 

Motion Filed by The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., a Corporation, The North</form>

http://apps.alameda.courts.ca.gov/domainweb/service?ServiceName=DomainWebService&TemplateName=jsp/imgviewer.html&rofadt=10/26/12&Action=27990835 

 

Summary

If the court does not grant the property substitution, the WTS want the bond to be reduced to compensatory damages only. This, the WTS argue, is to minimize the bond premiums which the Plaintiff would be liable for if they won the appeal. They also think that the punitive damages part is more susceptible to reversal.

 

The rest is kind of as I suspected:

The $86,000 premium on the bond is annual and not refundable after December 18. Obviously, if the appeal takes two years, they'll be paying at least twice that amount, ("estimated to be $170,000 to $200,000 over the life of this appeal") hence the desire to substitute property as security instead.

 

Patterson is currently worth over $162 million. The WTS argues that using Patterson as surety will benefit the Plaintiff because it is "more that adequate security for the prompt payment of the Amended Judgment" if she prevails on appeal, as well as relieving her of the liability of having to pay back the bond premiums if she doesn't. Despite the attractiveness of that, the Plaintiff declined to agree to the substitution.

 

If the court granted the substitution of Patterson, the WTS understands that there would be an order in place not to sell, transfer title or encumber the property involved.

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Source of above text:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/240387/1/Conti-WTS-Motion-re-Appeal-Bond-WTS-Motion-10-26-Contis-Opposition-11-02-WTS-Reply-11-06

 

And to the Jehovah's Witnesses in these forums, and elsewhere online...

 

how much online time, coupled with your quoted scriptures, are you counting and will be turning in on your publishers cards?  I'm curious too, how much of that time is counted when sitting and conversing with 'apostates and opposers"?  Isn't it a fact,....that you are allowed to count these forums as 'time spent preaching'?

 

Shame on you for your deceptive ways here with the gracious public that came together for WHITNEY and her FAMILY.  Manny of us know full well how you truly feel about most offthe public that showed up that were not JW's.  Many showed up and sent well wishes who are in fact disfellowshipped, disassociated, fading out, and a host of other relations.  We are not so easily fooled by your words on a "worldly forum".  It's amazing how many of you crawled out off the woodwork though.  I'm sure WTBTS is also amazed at how many of you utilize this machine, for all reasons and excuses.

 

Thanks to WHITNEYS MOM, we are now all invited to learn about your religion.

 

Why did she extend such an invite if she really didn't mean it?

 

Just like the CATHOLIC CHURCH, PENN STATE, BOY SCOUTS,etc....the JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TO WILL BE FULLY EXAMINED AS TO THEIR ABUSE POLICIES AND WHERE THEY SEND OFFENDERS THAT ARE KNOWN TO THE ELDERS.  YOUR TIME HAS COME.

 

Try to prepare yourselves for the inevitable exposure WHITNEYS MOM has invited us to WITNESS.

 

Bless her heart.

Such a terrible story I feel so sad for Mrs. Heichel's family,  found Holt's wife Amanda here http://fandaily.info/?p=35448 and here http://showbizdaily.net/?p=1740, poor girl

"What strange tragedy that can render even the strongest man to his knees, and make the heart so faint and kidneys despair! A life so precious, so trusting, and hopeful for a bright future.....Stolen. Ceased. This pain belongs to all. This great perversion itself fills the air, offsets the very nature of all things, sets Life off-balance, and cannot go unnoticed. The very leaves on the trees wither with mold, the earth weeps with the blood of the innocent. Even behind an angel's smile lingers the shadow of a grimace. And in the high misty attic that lies just above the cold wind, a vacuum of stale silence hovers within the grey expanse of swelling tears. No sound, no wind, no motion..........and then God cries."

J.P. Rohner

Jesus Christ (pun intended) why don't you all show some respect to an innocent victim and those that will have to live with the loss for the rest of their lives. Quit arguing about some religion and who killed who and blah blah blah.Why don't you all swap email addresses so you can argue with one another to your hearts content!

I think some here, (apostates) take this opportunity to try and bash the good name of Jehovah's Witnesses. This is no manner a religious issue. The kid irregular attendee or not, had a mental issue or breakdown. I just think that people like to take opportunities like this to bash Witnesses. Whitney was a good person, and yet it was the very fact that she was a Witness that gave her the loving personality that she had. Like many witnesses the love that they display toward one another and to their neighbor is well documented. No Witness says that they are perfect and without sin or flaws. People that come into the congregation, bring with them the bad habits and traits that they developed when they were none witnesses. It is true that some people with medical conditions come into the congregation, and find it difficult to overcome them. Thus leading them to actions that are non christian. By no means is the action of this kid considered acceptable by Jehovahs Witnesses. Nor is it acceptable to our heavenly father Jehovah. "He hates those loving violence".

 

If we were to make this an issue about religion. Then Catholics, Baptists, Budists, Hindus, etc. etc. would not be able to stand up against critism. Look at all the years of ware and bloodshed, Catholics killing Catholics, Protestants killing protestants.....baptists murdering other baptists in the name of God. . Look at the Billions of dollars spent, on resolving cases of child abuse in the Catholic religion. Now....they do not even remove their priests from a leadership role.......they just move them on to another state or church. So that more children could be abused. It goes on and on.......!!!!

 

This situations has nothing to do with witnesses.. However, it has everything to do with one mans sickness and obsession with a girl that did nothing wrong. Who loved life and only wanted good things for her family, friends, and neighbors.

Its all about how the media plays it out.....wake up sheep. RIP Whitney's family. This is just like the senseless shooting at the movie theatre. We will only have the answers, and correct answers that the media deem fit for "their" broadcast. Sheep.

My condolence to Whitney's family and friends. No one deserves such violence. And murder is murder, a crime no matter who does it, religious or not. But the statement by the JW's KH really annoys me. But nothing new, just like any other companies or organizations the first thing they do is to wash their hands clean when come to such situation.

This article is about someone who was murdered.  This article is not about Jehovah's Witnesses, or any other religious group.  It's extremely tasteless from both sides to use the comment section as a platform for religious debate.  People have the right to practice (or dislike) whatever religion they choose. My heart goes out to everyone involved.  PEACE, people!  This is not a time to bicker!

I find it disturbing and completely tasteless that this "Jim" person is using someones death as a religious soapbox. Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself! And furthermore, copying and pasting personal wedding pictures from someones facebook....ehh what is wrong with you??? Just offer your condolences and keep your mouth shut about everything else.

Interesting here is the JWs wanted to make sure that everyone knew that Holt was "Irregular" at the meetings. Obviously if he was regular he wouldn't do such a thing. At least that is what the rank and file JWs would like to think. Sadly though there is a huge problem in their congregations. Child molestation is out of control and violent crimes are happening among the JWs all the time. Research Candace Contri and see the appeal that the Watchtower is going through after being ordered to pay 17.3 million dollars due to covering up her molestation and protecting the molester. So sad that JWs do not know what is happening right under their noses.

 @Chris Was courious about that myself. Someone maybe got them off the wifes FB before this thing blew up and she took her page offline.. that or maybe he a member of that church.

Per the medical examiner's office, Whitney died from multiple gunshot wounds.  Senseless.

He has been at my door before with another WITNESS  and they wanted to come in and show me their BIBLE...which I obviously said NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  I still remember them, and I live in Beaverton....do they witness all the way out here when they are from Gresham???????????  I do not trust any of them, and I wish there was a law to make them stop coming to people's doors.

I am assuming he was married? Have not actually seen a statement on that but from this story it sounds as though he may be?

 

Unless he was acting on teachings from his Church, lets leave the Religion aspect out of this. I really do not like Organized Religion of any kind, I feel that a personal relationship with your Creator or God is the way to go, not pushing anything on antone but leading by example. Lets wait until all the facts come out and then we can make judgements. This is a tradgedy for both families lets see what really happened before having a Trial by Media.