Man shot, killed by police spent time at protest on homeless issues
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PORTLAND, Ore. – For a couple days before police shot and killed him at a parking garage near the Lloyd Center, 32-year-old Santiago Cisneros III had been at a small, continuous protest to bring attention to homeless issues in front of City Hall.
Hours before he was killed by police Monday night, KATU news cameras recorded Cisneros at City Hall while working on an unrelated story about a proposed bill regarding sidewalk regulations.
Officers said they found Cisneros, an Army veteran, armed with a shotgun on the top level of a Lloyd District parking garage. They exchanged gunfire with him. Cisneros later died at the hospital.
Cisneros had been at the City Hall protest off and on in the days just before his confrontation with police and had long talks with people there.
Those same people said they had noticed something seemed wrong.
KATU's cameras captured Cisneros in the corner of its video while a reporter interviewed a man who goes by the name "99" – for the 99 percent.
Cisneros stood quietly nearby a few feet away and listened. He stayed at City Hall until just hours before the shootout.
Cisneros never said anything to the reporter, but "99" remembered him well.
"He said, 'Man you guys, you're surrounded by great people.' And I says, 'Yeah, you're one of them.'"
Jose Serrica also remembered having in-depth discussions with Cisneros.
"He felt a connection with us, because we're out here struggling over the issues that is tearing him apart," Serrica said.
Those issues are homelessness and war. Cisneros was an Iraq veteran.
During a 2009 interview in Seattle, he opened up about his struggle with post-traumatic stress disorder and his father spoke with KATU on Tuesday about the letter his son left him before he died.
"The note said, 'I will see you soon. We will talk and we will laugh. Love, Ago,'" his father, also named Santiago, said.
Serrica said he noticed sorrow in Cisneros and worried when he began giving things away.
"I spent a whole evening just crying for the guy because here was a young man who was basically screaming for help," he said.
"I think a veteran can go through treatment and get better, and then for whatever reason, something happens in their current life, and the post-traumatic stress is triggered again," said Deborah Zwetchkenbaum, assistant director for Lines for Life.
Zwetchkenbaum wants veterans to know that a recurrence of PTSD doesn't have to be the end. There is help, although, she believes there should be more.
"We train them in, we don't train them out, and that needs to change," she said.
Serrica has a similar sentiment.
"We can spend millions of dollars preparing them to go hurt people, but then when they come back, we can't heal them. It doesn't make sense," he said.
Investigators are looking at KATU's video as they continue to piece together exactly what happened and what may have motivated Cisneros. They say it's too early to confirm Cisneros planned to commit suicide by police. But they say it is a real possibility.
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I served in Iraq with Cisneros and the 40th Engineers . He was liked by everyone and was always willing to help you no matter how busy he was. Even more importantly he was a fine soldier and a good man. Its a sad ending for such a great Soldier. My love and prayers goes out to his family in their time of morning. I am sorry for your lost   Â
The VA would not help him!
The simple fact is we treat our veteran with little honor for what they have given, and are haunted by for life, each and every person commenting here could spend time at va waiting room listening, be a little kinder; please consider Wounded Warriors, helping families and our wounded from similar circumstances, entirely your choice, or just judge, which makes you feel better but helps no one.
Just another perspective. All can be blamed. The fact here is that a young man is dead. He was a soldier who served his country honorably and he is now gone. Why? Iraq? Afghanistan? For what. I knew Santiago. He was a good friend of my son. I knew him as a polite, respectable, and giving person. How it happened only God will know. I can only say that he did not hurt anyone and the police did I hope what they had to do to. Only wish there was non-lethal way to resolve the situation. Ago was dealing with demons that thank god most of us will never have to know. All I feel is sadness that this fine young man is no longer here. I hope he has finally found the peace he deserves. Imagine what must be going thru a persons mind to drive them to this ultimatum. He was not trying to hurt anyone. He just needed help that I guess he could not find. God love him.
@kevinwmoore He also shot at police. I'm not sure what any of this means.
@JTarb Probably that his PTSD got the better of him. Also Portland cops have poor record of dealing with mentally ill, who wind up dead.
@JTarb I, for one, am very thankful you took the time to tweet about this issue you admit to having no understanding of. You sir, are a true hero.
Did I miss the volunteer army.
All homeless people want is attention. Â They don't want jobs or responsibility. Â They have been promised by the current occupier of the White House that they are entitled to part of every working person's income. Â Because of that, they don't think they should work, and our worthless politicians and do-gooders are letting them get away with it. Â Â It's pretty scary when losers like these guys can determine who is president of the United States. Â This once great country is going down the toilet.
@Shadow Just wait until the economy and government colapse and they can't live off of us anymore.
Mighty big of you to slap this vet down, especially after his death...thanks for your thoughts of compassion...consider yourself christian ?
@sargerator HEY! Don't give pagans a bad name by lumping the Shadow in with us! The Buddha believes in compassion. Send Shadow to Westboro Baptist Church!!!
No, I was just lumping him with those that you mentioned...you know, good christians, as long as "you're" one of them !
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@Welfair Chick homeless people aren't getting food stamps or free health care. obviously not serious.
@Welfair Chick The maximum amount for one person in the SNAP program (food) is 200/mo. If you had 800 in "income" from the state and you are homeless so have no shelter costs, you would not be entitled to 200/mo as your income would be enough to cover food costs. This just doesn't ring true at all.
so he will occupy no more!
@franksbeansÂ
Is that your idea of a joke? Â A man serves his country and then can't get the help he needs to get right, so he commits suicide by cop, and your response is a dig at Occupy? Â I bet you also call yourself a "patriot," am I right?
maybe the answer is to  Stop........"training them in.................
Getting involved in social issues can cause a lot of stress. One of the reasons I stay out of them for the most part.
"Getting involved in social issues"...including wars !
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@feral  Arming low IQ's with guns and badges, then promoting from within. What could go wrong?
      You can stage all the federal investigations you want, they're still gonna kill citizens.
Also make destruction of PUBLIC property and interfering with police a crme... oh wait...
@feral Sending them to war and having them kill themselves when they get back is not against the law though.
Should it be???
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@Welfair Chick @uknow2 Obama thinks football is too dangerous
Another Hispanic died to keep you white folk free.Â
@lousecrapton He died shooting at cops, which isn't exactly dying while trying to keep anyone free. Had he not fired, he'd still be alive and doing whatever. Now if mean he he served in the theater of war for our freedom, then I suggest you state it that way (or similar).
He was using one of "Euclid postulates" or the distributive law theory. This young man, the war and leading up to his death are ALL realated !
We showed up at marches, at City Hall, welcomed homeless veterans at the camp and did what we could to draw attention to these problems and other problems resulting from the 1%'s stranglehold on the 99%.  The powers that be - and a lot of other folks- decided the presence of those who would fight for resources for men like this was not wanted, might kill some grass. Plenty of people cheered when we were run out forcefully by the police. People who wanted to keep fighting were intimidated by the police into staying home and giving up. Don't say you hated Occupy but feel sorry for this veteran. You're either a part of the problem or the solution. I remember this man and he didn't deserve this end.
@motherhawk So in other words, his death is YOUR fault.
@motherhawk Living in the city park is a solution? Do you think about the 1% when watching professional sports?
@motherhawk so heres an idea, instead of spending the time to march down town, do something productive find a job, invent something, create a service others will pay for and you will see what it is like to be self reliant and who knows with the right idea and a little luck you could be one of the 1%, as for the 99% I think the occupiers math is waaaaaaay off, a majority of people work and like the feeling of being self reliant its more of a 30-40% that like to feed off the government and become a cancer to our society
@franksbeans @motherhawk Did motherhawk say she was unemployed and that's why she spent time being involved in the Occupy movement?  I don't think so.  There were many, many gainfully-employed people involved.  Just sayin'.
@motherhawk Ok MH....THIS discussion isn't about your political agenda and you should be ashamed of yourself. Before you go getting all self-righteous as folks like you tend to do....know that ALL people have the fundamental right to life and the fundamental right to live safely. Also know that this man choose to arm himself in a public place with a shotgun and died because he pulled the trigger first. I recognize that PTSD (which is a terrible monster to confront and see in your loved ones) and possibly other illnesses were involved and likely played a heavy part in influencing his conscious decisions.
I think we should look much closer at the issues he supported (homelessness for example) and at the larger picture of what his situation as a veteran was. We should focus on those things....and NOT on berating the police officers who had to shoot him. BTW MH....all of those officers have now taken a life in the line of duty and will have their own brand of PTSD to work through. No one is untouched by violence....unless you're already dead.
99% of the veterans committing suicide are not doing it before VA mental health help.....BUT AFTER VA MENTAL HELP....The VA's PRISON-LIKE & DISRESPECTING 12-Step religious AA/NA cult programs ...ARE KILLING THE VETERANS!
All veterans want are REAL HOUSING, REAL CAREER/TRADE TRAINING, and REAL JOBS.....IT'S THAT SIMPLE!
@August100Â It is very hard to get a vet a real housing and a real job ones the vet gets messed up on drugs. I believe though, that the feds finally realized the problem.
There are now programs, beefed with money, to help the vets. Just to reach them. Thoug, that's the problem
@faith @August100 My job is to serve homeless veterans. Drugs has not been the issue with over 95% of my case load.
@franksbeans @Cindy B. @faith @August100 Maybe I need to clarify: I am a veteran. I work for an organization which serves veterans. I do not work for the VA and we are not funded by the VA.
100% of the veterans on my case load are homeless. They find us however they find us. We do outreach and the VA sends veterans to us. How they find us is secondary to the fact that they are reaching out for assistance.
AGAIN: 95% of my caseload do not/have not had issues with drugs. They most certainly have issues ... just not drugs.
@Cindy B. Are you serving them alcohol? If not, you should. I think they'd appreciate it and probably give you better tips too.
@franksbeans Well at least Cindy is doing something. What the heck are you doing about it? Just complaining? Have you even served? Instead of attacking someone who is helping why don't you try doing something yourself?
@Cindy B. @faith @August100 So this is kind of your fault
@Cindy B. @faith @August100 so 95% of the ones that reach you? What about the ones that get messed up and never find there way to you? What percent does that make up of all vets? I bet your math is way off on that too!
Did you people know the Portland VA places homeless veterans WHO HAVE NO CRIMINAL RECORD on 8-hour mats inches away from TPI, Inc.'s JUST RELEASED CHILD RAPISTS, CRACK & METH-HEADS, and TRANSSEXUAL STREET-HUSTLERS who like to spread HIV to everyone?...
YES....THE PORTLAND VA sends homeless veterans into that type of HELL-HOLE!@August100 It's too bad you chose to bury and minimize your rather important message and credibility in drama with your remark about people "who like to spread HIV to everyone..."
@August100 "TRANSSEXUAL STREET-HUSTLERS who like to spread HIV to everyone?..."
They actually LIKE to spread HIV to everyone? Look at you go.
The ABSOLUTE HORRIFYING ABUSE OF AMERICAN VERTERANS has got to STOP...
NO MORE PRISON-LIKE 12-Step religious AA/NA CULT shelters...REAL HOUSING FOR ALL VETERANS!
@August100 You "want" the "abuse" of veterans to stop and your only solution offering is to submit that we should do away with a system of support that has been in place helping people of all different walks of life, shades of color and backgrounds for decades?
Breaking News Flash August...AA/NA and the other 12 step programs don't just help veterans.
Hmmm....how about we start creating "real" exploratory diologe by requiring commenters to take a IQ, Logic and composition tests before being able to post stupid comments?
@honorbound  diologe- you flunked  your own requirement
dio...italian for god.......loge...front section of the lowest balcony seperated from others.
maybe he wanted everyone to look for god in the balcony ??
@August100Â AA and NA have helped countless thousands. Go to a meeting with an open mind and listen to the folks who have got their life and families back. Â It's far from a religious cult. You are free to come and go so it's not like a prison. The Universe gives us choices and we are given the consequences of those choices. Good luck fella.
@Robbie Robinson @August100 Their god is a "higher power"' which is whatever a person in the program chooses the "higher power" to be.  It no doubt can teach substance abusers to follow sequentialy follow 10 steps which I cannot quote you, as a suggested method for those who have failed on their own power.  Ideally it would.be a high school with sobriety with self control degree awarded and a changed heart not desiring intoxication or a drug high.  In reality many selfidentify as same addicts and drunks but functioning dry and sober.      Â
@Harry Merkin @Ramona Youre toofunny!  An  his "higher power" is nodoubt recharged monthly...
@Ramona My higher power is my landlord, who lives upstairs. But he's fun to drink with, so that doesn't really help me.
@August100 Obamacare will make the Veterans Administration redundant. It also shows citizens what they get to look forward to when you leave health care in the hands of bureaucracy.