False alarm: Police don't find armed man in Gresham store

GRESHAM, Ore. – Shoppers were asked to evacuate a Fred Meyer store in Gresham on Saturday afternoon after reports of a man with a gun in the store, although police later determined there was no threat.
Officers on the scene said they received reports of a man entering the store with a gun, but when they found the man matching the description it turned out he was not armed.
Shopper Sandy Glantz said she saw members of a police SWAT team entering the store as managers asked patrols to calmly but quickly leave the building.
“Everyone was pretty calm about it,” Glantz told KATU.
The store is located near the intersection of Powell and Burnside Street in Gresham.
Nobody was hurt during the incident.
This story will be updated
I'm off to the Fred Meyer right now. I'm carrying a (legal, concealed) .45.Â
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I'll be purchasing a birthday card and some other small items but I'm not sure to which store I'll be going. Better evacuate them all because if somebody makes me mad, I might resort to polite admonition or even mildly-hard language and if the store clerk upsets me, why, I'm going to leave my items on the counter and leave the store.
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Soccer moms are quaking in their Crocks.
I'm back. I hate to paraphrase Lars Larson...I really do, but, he touched on something today worth thinking about:Â The law prevents us from knowing what prescription drugs the shooters may have been on. Stuff like antipsychotics (one of them was known to be on an Rx)... we live in a culture where the prime time pharmaceutical ads are suddenly warning us to seek help if the product causes suicidal thoughts.
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His medical records are sealed without a court order. We'll never know whether the REAL cause might be a combination of heavy pharmaceuticals, but we're all willing to point the fingers at everything else and see if we can find ways to blame that instead. Something to think about.
I know someone who got detained cause he was wearing Cammies. I'm wondering when I'll be asked not to wear them. I like the rip stock instead of wearing blue jeans. The cammies last alot longer then any other clothes that I have or had. I will NOT change the way I dress cause of some Boneheads who terrorize people.
These cops are just itching to blow away a bad guy. One of these false alarms isn't going to end well.
Oooops!...."Police...."
Darn rent-a-fingrs.....
"Police don't fine....."???????
Who reads your copy before it gets postet, KATU? It should read...."Ploice doesn't find....."
Geesh!
If you are talking a singular policeman it would be doesn't... but, we aren't talking singular... their copy was correct...
@Blümchen roflmfao @ you correcting article w ploice
"Keep your head about you while all others are losing theirs" and we all will be just fine "Merry Christmas"
 @Ghetto Baby Exactly. Everyone remember the "White Powder" scares back in 2001 and 2002. Don't panic people. These are very rare incidents regardless of what the media tells you.
Gresham PD did a great job tonight!! I was in the store and in completely felt it was handled with the best care.
considering the nature of the situation.
I certainly felt that the community responded quickly and with certainly once the request was made and once the swat presence was seen, that seemed to move everyone even more swiftly.
Hopefully the homeless man who frightened someone into this alarming report, one can only hope he gets the help he truly needs. As i found his laughing about this disturbing,
As we were allowed to return to the store to complete our purchases and head home, we noticed that many employees were so upset and emotional not wanting to stay at work.
what a frightening afternoon. after a frightening week of events.
im just glad nothing terrible happened beyond a scare.
but that really should not have even taken place.
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You felt completely safe because the homeless man didn't have a gun and wasn't a threat.
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Now if there was an active shooter then you would be telling a different story and that is only if you survived.
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Remember that police rarely stop these lunatics. They only show up after the shooter kills himself and investigate the incident. Police will rarely keep you safe from someone who is intent on mass murder.
 @RalphCramden "RARELY"???  Having a couple officers in my family- and a few I consider good friends, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!
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There are many unsung heroes in a department that the media has made famous for their brutality than for what the job they set out to do- and do well. The reason they do not report it? Â It's just not newsworthy enough to grab the paranoid attention of the viewer!
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I'm sorry if your lackadaisical impression of these individuals are based on what the media only wants you to see, but I know full well of the hard work the MAJORITY of them do, and commend them on trying to make sure the public's safety is secure.
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Please educate yourself before spreading myths.
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This also happens with Fire&Medics.
Well Said RalphCramden!!!Well Said!!!
Thats funny that you say that about RalphCramden My2Cents. He was in Law Enforcement. I like how everyone thinks they know what everyone has done or had done.....FYI
 @RalphCramden  @My2Cents Thank you, Ralph.
 @My2Cents  @RalphCramden This should be interesting. What if Ralph was a cop?
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If somebody freaks out about a guy with a gun, the police have to react. They're required to. The problem isn't the police, it's the post-traumatic hysteria of thumb-sucking fools that gets politely referred to as "excessive vigilance" or some other pyschobabble.
 @My2Cents  @RalphCramden Yeah. Ralph is reporting what he has observed while he worked in civil service. He's right, too. The cops can't and won't be there when you need them the most. They could only do that if they were mind readers and had the resources to send out in advance to any location where a crime might be committed.
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And they can only take action as a crime is being committed that they are witness to or after a crime has occurred.
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He didn't say officers were bad. He didn't say they were good, either. I'm sure you meet a few on either side of that line -- just like anywhere else you might work or people you might encounter in your daily activities.
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You might think Ralph's image is jaded. Well, for him, it is. I don't always see eye to eye with Mr. Cramden, but I definitely understand what he is saying here (of course that doesn't mean I'll be carrying a weapon any time soon but that is my legal choice).
 @My2Cents  @RalphCramden Yeah, rural folks are so protected.. if your lucky there *may* be a cop close by.. otherwise average response time is 1 1/2 hours to 2 or 3 here...    And even in the city's you will be shot, stabbed or *inset here what ever* before a cop can get there..  Â
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Not only that there is no legal precedent that requires police to protect you. They don't even have to respond to your call if they don't want to.
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I was on a shooting and staged two blocks away. It took over 20 minutes for more support. Police are told not to go in alone in a shooting situation.
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In both recent cases the police were, once again, too late. In both cases they did not fire a shot. It's not their fault, it is just that by the time they are notified the incident is over.
 @My2Cents The police have never saved anyone when there is an active shooter. They show up later with their swat teams and fill out paper work and take pictures. The police nor the government will not save you.  Unless you force everyone to walk around naked shootings, stabbings will still happen.
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I mean take for example the lunatic in Canada (another anti-gun country) on a Greyhound bus that killed the guy in front of him and then started to eat him.
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Sick crimes will happen regardless. You can't protect everyone from everything. Â
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Yup. My2cents doesn't get it.
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Average response time in Multnomah county is 8-12 minutes. An active shooter can fire 100 rounds before the phone is answered at 911.
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Well it appears you have no idea what I did for 30 years.
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You are deceived. Police only show up after the crime is committed and just investigate the mess. But the time they get called a mass murderer has killed a lot of people and has more than likely ended his own life.
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Police are not hero's. Hero's are ordinary folks who do extraordinary things in very bad situations.
 @My2Cents  @RalphCramden What myths? The only myth here is that the police can get to you faster than the criminal's bullet.
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This has nothing to do with how great or heroic the police are or aren't, it's just plain and simple game of telephone followed by the law of physics.
the guy did not have a gun of any kind, he is a mentally challenged homeless man in the area that likes to pretend he is a soldier the most I've seen him with is a piece of cardboard he pretends is a gun, obvious it is not, it is about an 8x16 rectangular piece of cardboard, who ever called that in was not very bright or paranoid out of their skull
 @franksbeans What do you expect? The media continues to stir up the paranoia and most people fall for the propaganda.Â
 @axpman  @franksbeans Exactly. Fear is an excellent commodity.
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I bought a lime and a case of Corona from the Fred Meyer in Clackamas yesterday while carrying a concealed .45. The serial number doesn't trace to me, nor does the ammo sale, and it doesn't matter whether I have my CHL or not because nobody knew about it.
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But some homeless guy got put up against the wall and searched because some soccer mom freaked out and called the cops. I won't say whoever did was a liberal, but let's just say the average CoD-playing gunshow junkie knows the difference between a handgun and some cardboard.
Oregon is an Open-Carry state. You only need a permit to CONCEAL the weapon. Â The way things have been going lately, I think ANYBODY carrying a gun LEGALLY would get taken down. Which is just sad. I am a CHL holder and I am a mentally stable person. If someone sees me and calls 911 to report me as an armed person, I'm going down, for doing nothing wrong. It's sad. Just sad. Â On the flip side though, I totally understand people's fear of guns. I would just hope that law enforcement can somehow recognise the difference between someone like me and someone who might actually be a threat. But HOW can they actually realisticly make that determination? Â This person that they hand in handcuffs... how do we know he didn't stash his weapon somewhere before the cops got to him? I have mixed emotions about these situations. On one hand, People are flipping Nuts and we are a Nation on edge. On the other hand, being super paranoid takes away the rights of those of us who are legal and non-threatening. I don't know what to think or feel anymore.
 @kalbinwhy "I would just hope that law enforcement can somehow recognise the difference between someone like me and someone who might actually be a threat. But HOW can they actually realisticly make that determination?"
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Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment but they way police differentiate is when the sane and legally-carrying person puts the gun down when directed by police. Â The crazy (or drunk or whatever) person probably will not. Â
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Even after all the violence of this week, officers are not just going to go in and start shooting without attempting to contact the person carrying (despite what many Portlanders think). Â If you are legally carrying and sane, you'll comply with their directions. Â They'll talk with you. Â You'll show them your CHL and everyone will go home safe.
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 @kalbinwhy From what I am gathering, and from what I saw... it would seem that this was possibly someone who was carrying a gun, legally. I was very pleased that the police did not get in a hurry, but handled things as they did, and the person was released with no charges and no harm to anyone. Not that I wasn't happy that I hadn't decided at the last minute not to take my girls with me to Fred Meyer's. Seeing the police and their weapons would, no doubt, have scared them. Thankfully, that wasn't the case. And, while I had a tremendous case of goosebumps, myself... I have to say that because of how the police handled it, I was not afraid... and I saw what was unfolding for probably close to 10 minutes before the evacuation was announced. I could check my texts to be sure. I texted a friend through the whole thing, as it was clear that things weren't as they should be for a normal Freddies shopping trip.Â
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It is my hope... for your sake and the sake of others who carry, legally... that this would always be the case when someone is suspected of carrying a gun, who is not openly threatening anyone with it. I don't carry myself... but, know others who do... and I know why they do... How? Well, I have asked one of them... and his answer was about the best anyone could give... because it might could help him save a life, if it came down to it. That person saw his own father step into a murder. He knows exactly why he wants to keep his right to carry a gun. And, I greatly appreciate that.
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I was there... I was in the store for a while before it all began. The police handled it, very, very well. They were calm, there was no alarm. They were so "quiet" about their presence, that it took me seeing for or five of the police with their obvious weapons for me to really decide that something might be wrong. Then, when I heard the announcement to evacuate calmly, that's just what I did along with everyone else. Everyone handled the situation all very, very well.
The SWAT teams all across the US will be working a lot of OT in the future.
 @RalphCramden Yup. Justifying the endless militarization of police departments.  How much longer until malls, parking lots, gas stations etc have machine gun nests with .50 caliber constantly pointed at people? The endless paranoia and dependance on police and government to save them will be their undoing since government has historically never saved a soul.Â
 @axpman  @RalphCramden When ONE public shopping or entertainment complex has "machine guns nests with .50 caliber constantly pointed at people", your argument won't sound like utter screeching tin-hat hysteria.
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Sorry. In all cases, I calls 'em as I sees 'em.  Machine guns nests in malls is like extraterrestrial beings. Until you can show me that one exists, you're either nuts or trying to sell me something.
 @Playanekes  @RalphCramden We're half way there with the militarization of police around the country. It may sound insane now, but 15 years ago who would have believed you couldn't bring your own bottled water through security at the airport, but yet can buy it right after you are done? Except what might have been considered an insane thought at the time is now a reality.
 @RalphCramden All over the world , If you think about it. :-)Â
 @RalphCramden And 'we' were all so surprised when it turned out that Medford, of all places, was ahead of the curve with the Gorilla of all SWAT response vehicles, right?! Â
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As if they needed a vehicle like that to deal with a shooter inside a building.
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All they needed to get the team there is an SUV. It's a nice rig but way overkill unless things get way out of hand. And that may happen if the economy tanks in which case they will need hundreds of those kinds of vehicles.
I am guessing this will happen a lot in the coming months.
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People will be paranoid of everything especially those who are not prepared by packing a gun.
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Or it could just be the new trend in pranks. Like SWATTING the house of a celebrity for fun. Somebody annoys another person in a public place and they get swatted with an accurate description just to exploit the whole "on alert" apparatus and paranoia. You like computers Ralph, it's just a social hack exploiting the over-the-top para-military apparatus and supreme paranoia encourage by media for petty revenge. The whole exploit depends on the notion that there is never anything such as over reaction just preparedness. It's the same mentality that authorized the purchase of that armored urban and citizen assault vehicle was authorized in Medford; you could confidently bet your boots that PPB has sent a few of the boys and any number of volunteers from the Police Union to go look at that bad boy and it will be in the essential budget by 2014 even if it has to squeeze out some community policing program..
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Everyone will use these shootings as an excuse to push their agenda. It is human nature.
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Government is looking for ways to expand their control over the citizens and it will be a two pronged attack.
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One is to reduce firearms in the hands of the citizens. Government is afraid of armed citizens.
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The second is to build up their police forces to look more like the military. The Medford SWAT vehicle is exactly that and I can tell you that Portland is jealous.
It was over 3000 miles away. FYI
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CTWU....I don't think its a question of when in the past.. its a question of when (in the future) they push us far enough..   And they have been pushing buttons a lot.
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 @RalphCramden  @Khre'Riov Ael i-Mhiessan t'Rllaillieu  @Icarus But, if they are so afraid of citizens being armed, when (in recent history) have citizens in the US taken up arms against the government for any legitimate reason anyway?
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And the government seems to not have any difficulty getting its citizens to take prescription meds. Mind control is much easier than gun control. ;)
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Armed citizens keep a check on excessive government. One of the reasons that the government wants to limit gun ownership.
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One is to reduce firearms in the hands of the citizens. Government is afraid of armed citizens.
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 @RalphCramden Exactly. I have no doubt the next mayor here will be applying  for Homeland Security grants to buy more toys for the police.Â