Did religion play a role in Starbucks stabbing?
VANCOUVER, Wash. - The man accused of stabbing two people at a Starbucks in Vancouver may have gotten violent for religious reasons.
The crime happened around 5 p.m. Monday at the Starbucks at 11502 S.E. Mill Plain Boulevard.
Police said it all started when two men got into an argument and one of them pulled out a knife and stabbed the other man in the stomach. Another person was also stabbed during the altercation, which took place in the parking lot of the Starbucks drive-through.
One of the victims ended up with minor injuries but 70-year-old Jerry Kush was badly hurt. He is in serious, but stable condition and is on a ventilator, according to his family. Kush, who regularly stops at that particular Starbucks, did not know the attacker.
The suspect, Scott C. Fandrich, was captured at the scene. People who know him told detectives that he had said in the past that he was willing to die for Islam. They said he was talking about religion with one of the victims just before the stabbing.
I was in this place when this happened. The guy ordered his coffee and when they told him it was $6.50 (he got a couple extra flavor shots I guess) He screamed " Oh Jesus Christ", That's when the other guy came running over with a War Holler and screamed for Islam, stabbing the guy. I think I'll just go back to the bikini baristas, at least they show boobies for 10 bucks ;)
I say give him his wish. Everybody is better off that way.
It's really odd...so many people are so willing to die
for their religion, but so few are willing to live for it.
As far as I'm concerned, any religion that condones
harming another person in any way is a false religion.
Religion is dangerous; it should be banned.Â
@UnitedAndFree Â
Blanket condemnations of wide ranging philosophies
by ignorant people are just as dangerous.
After all, the danger of a religion is not the religion itself,
but the interpretation and application thereof.
Being a crazy mofo played a role in the Starbucks stabbing.
I blame the double-tall, four-pump vanilla caramel macchiato.
@Devon Nullz The Barista could be liable for over serving. ;-)
Clearly Obama's plan to rain fire from the sky is falling behind on it's implementation....this all could have been prevented if only the Government had the resources to track and monitor and kill suspected evil doers.  /snark
Isn't he out of uniform without a beard?
A perfect example of why people choose to carry firearms for self defense.
@Broadway97209Seriously? Not taking any sides here but the opposite argument can be made just as easily: this is why we need better gun control so a nut job like this can't get access to a gun the next time he gets ticked off. This story has nothing to do with firearms and trying to cram it down our throats at every possible opportunity does not help your cause.
@PhillyBuster @Broadway97209 perhaps current laws are sufficient since he didnt have one.
Or perhaps current laws are too strict since the victims didn't have one.
@PhillyBuster Someone seriously wanting to harm others will find whatever they need to do so despite all steps taken to prevent them from pursuing their goal. He had a knife. He could have just as easily had a claw hammer, a wood carving chisel, a tree saw, a long screwdriver or myriad other implements that can be picked up almost anywhere. Those wooden chopsticks you find at so many Asian fast-food places can be used quite effectively to kill someone.
Crude guns can be manufactured, and there are PLENTY of people out there who are more than willing to sell anyone a gun, no questions asked.
But aside from that, your diatribe in reply to Broadway's one-line post is just as guilty of trying to shove your philosophy down everyone's throats as well.
Touché.
OK then...we should kill him for Islam.
Time to ban assault knives!
@ZodPDXÂ "Your honor, I object. Â That comment has been made and responded to 10,000 times." Â "Objection sustained."
@Sundowner @ZodPDX HAMMERS  HAMMERS  HAMMERS  HAMMERS  HAMMERSÂ
%s
@trololol  Live sloths at 50 paces.
(By the time they get together, both parties have died of old age.)
@Sundowner @trololol Â
Remember...the primary cause of all of this violence. Just like the argument that Marijuana is a gateway drug blamed for every social ill likewise we must look to the common thread that allows people to use all these weapons to harm other people. It's obvious people...it's hands....America needs to outlaw hands because without hands it is impossible to manipulate guns, knives, rocks, scissors, paper, cars, bagpipes and every other instrument of death. Seriously, hands are the gate way to evil and destruction America needs to outlaw hands and then only outlaws will have hands.
@Sundowner @trololol You for got PAPER. those cuts hurt when they attack
@trololol CARS CARS CARS CARS ROCKS ROCKS ROCKS SCISSORS SCISSORS SCISSORS FISTS FISTS.....blechhhh -- it gets sooo old.
While I find the whole "Religion of Peace"Â hoohaw and Islam in general to be problomatic I'm thinking this guys main relgion is from crazy town that being said I am also perfectly willing for him to die for islam
A wanna be Islamic jihadist!
@Liberty4_WAÂ Â Most people are wannabes for their faith.
When push comes to shove, most will deny their beliefs in favor of a few more breaths.
As we all know, the media will interview the man's family and they'll say "he's changed over the past few years or .... he has mental issues.... something to that effect which means... he simply isn't right in the head" so therefore, all should be forgiven or go easy on the guy.Â
@GeauxOSUÂ In fact, he was perfectly fine until just the other day when he was in a grocery store and someone sprayed pepper spray and he inhaled it.
*facepalm*
Well, I suppose if we can blame guns for shootings it's not too far a leap to blame religeon for a stabbing.Â
The real beauty is that the whole of the headline is based upon speculative comments offered by 'people who knew him'.
"People who know him told detectives that he had said in the past that he was willing to die for Islam. They said he was talking about religion with one of the victims just before the stabbing."
Okay, livefyre, you got your reliegon headline for the day. Now, we can just sit back and wait for the ones about homosexuality, guns and child abuse of some sort.Â
@MarkKpic Didn't you here? We have a new Pope. That takes care of homosexuality and child abuse.
The headline is a question so the whole point is speculation.
The religion of peace strikes again.
Maybe i should stop doodling muhamad characatures at the jack in the box
So you are drawing some random Arab of short stature in American terms?
People need to start using the word religion in a more literal sense rather than a slur. Religion is more than a faith preference. Religion is the relationship to God and the created. People deviate from this or just have a bad relationship. No one should critcize the idea of relationships, just because some have a bad one. Only a fool would condemn a faith because of the resluts of when people fail to to believe in or practice any combination of teachings or interpretations.
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@TheUglyTruth Wow....that is a very novel idea and clearly worthy of study. So like when Geo. Bush claims to be a good Christian to appeal to religious America just to get elected and then sells America out to the highest bidder like a total corporate street walker (you can't say: whooore here) you think that his religious faith might have been insincere and that could have an affect on the way that people perceive religion? Or when politicians reject all rational scientific proof in preference for stone age religious dogma to determine public policy that harms American prosperity or the rights of women that too might affect how people understand the role of religion in modern society?
@Jaefar SABNWQuoran, Sura 9:5 ...But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them ...
@Julie @Jaefar SABNW Â
And, by pagans I mean hot chicks and by slay them I mean....
@Agness P Weatherby @Julie @Jaefar SABNW Buy them a dress?
I know it was just a typo, but "resluts" was amusing to me.
@Oregon7812Â I think he actually did mean resluts.
Resluts: Someone who was very promiscuous, then stopped being promiscuous, the started being promiscuous again.
"Got violent for religious reasons."
I suppose that's only following the example of thousands of years of religious history.Â
@Oregon7812 How about hundreds of years. Islam was started in the 7th century.
Is Islam the only religion that's ever existed then? My bad.
Yes, you're done 'fishing' because you're wrong.
@Oregon7812Â But if they used that headline then the polically correct nazis would be after them.
Ok, I'm done fishing :)
Yes, it briefly references Islam, but also makes more general references to religion as well. Otherwise the title would be "Did Islam play a role in Starbucks stabbing?"
@Oregon7812Â No you didn't but the artical you commented on is referencing Islam.
My post made no specific reference to Islam.
@Oregon7812Â Well since the subject is on Islam then yes, your bad.
Well Mr. Frandrich.... I guess an eye for an eye is the only fitting punishment for you. Good luck in prison.
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@Dr. Rawdog @MlwkieRage Not really. The actual saying is take only an eye for an eye. I do think a rapest will get raped more than one time.... not that I'm complaining about that. Just saying.
To let violent punishments be up to the fellow prisoners is detrimental to the crime rates and increases the burden on society. Public punishments and reduced jail sentences are proving effective.