Past the Tipping Point: Two teen suicides influenced by social media
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BATTLE GROUND, Wash. - What role did the Internet play in pushing two young girls past the emotional tipping point and into taking their own lives?
KATU On Your Side Investigator Anna Canzano has learned that disturbing messages and online postings on two popular websites – Facebook and Instagram – preceded the deaths of Anna Ishikawa on January 12th and Isabelle Sarkinen on December 5th.
Both of the girls were 8th graders in the Battle Ground School District.
Friends Aleia Baker and Nicole Lastiri are in a unique position to shed light on what happened to Anna and Isabelle. The two, who are stepsisters, were friends with Anna and Isabelle.
Aleia was closer to Anna and Nicole was closer to Isabelle.
“The month before she did it, Isabelle told me, ‘Nicole, they’re calling me a fat slut. Fat and ugly.’ And I was just, ‘They’re just jealous.’ But they weren’t stopping. She was like, ‘I don’t know what to do.’” Nicole said. “She told me she felt that nobody cares about all the hateful words being said to her over Facebook and nobody would do anything about it.”
Nicole said Isabelle was particularly hurt by something a boy had said to her, which was related in a Facebook message to Nicole. The boy wrote Isabelle to say things like “why would I date you?” “you don’t deserve to be treated right” and “you got dumped you deserve it.”
Other parts of the message are so disturbing and profane that we didn’t think it was prudent to publish them.
We don’t know what else Isabelle was dealing with in her life, but we do know that ten days later she killed herself. She was 13 years old.
“Isabelle was bullied a little bit - I don't know if she did it because of the bullying. Anna was bullied, too: rude name calling, people just putting them down," Nicole said.
Aleia explained that Anna was the target of criticism for, of all things, her hairstyle.
"Sometimes people called her a guy because she had that short haircut. People would talk to her, tease her, like, 'you're so weird, you're different than anybody,'" said Aleia.
"She told me in school, 'I just hate my life,’” Aleia added. “I was like 'don't say that.' And she said, 'Well, everybody is calling me a slut and saying that I'm so ugly.' A lot of people were saying that and calling her that."
Aleia said Anna also recently went through a breakup.
“Then she started cutting herself a little bit,” Aleia recounted. “Off and on for months. She had been doing it a little bit last year then she stopped. Just her fiends knew. But I saw she cut her wrist - she was wearing a long sleeve shirt over and told me not to touch her. That made me worried, so I was talking to my step-mom, making a plan."
A day later, Anna was dead – another 8th grader gone, leaving the children around her trying to unravel what went wrong.
It’s a question that the adults in these girls’ lives are also grappling with.
KATU visited a parent training session held last week in the middle school gym where mental health experts told moms and dads they need to check their kids’ phones and Internet activity. In other words, plug in to their lives and know what’s happening.
"We need to let them talk about what they are feeling,” explained Mary Jadwisiak, field coordinator with Washington’s Youth Suicide Prevention Program. “And then we need to validate those feelings."
Otherwise, Principal David Cresap explained, so-called “frenemy conflicts” can end up amplified in the echo chambers of Facebook and Instagram. The term “frenemy” in a slang term for kids who are friends one day and enemies the next.
The Battle Ground School District will also convene a “prevention committee” on Thursday night to help families cope with what is becoming a crisis.
"What we have seen is this back and forth name calling, people getting upset,” said Cresap. “But it gets magnified in a social media setting where it can go out to a whole bunch of people."
Nicole’s mother, Jennifer Lastiri, agrees.
“In our day, you'd have to insult somebody to their face, or have enough guts to call them on the phone and insult them,” Jennifer said. “Now you can text them or Facebook them and say, ‘you're a slut’ and hide behind a computer. It just makes it so much easier to hurt people and bully them without any repercussion.”
Anna’s Instagram account reveals a girl who was hurting. Multiple images and messages point to her pain.
The kids who knew these girls weren’t trained to see the signs, but they are now sharing what they know in hopes that their messages will prevent future suicides.
They are middle school students hoping to prevent more middle school deaths.
Said Nicole, “When another girl says, ‘oh, you’re fat, you’re ugly,’ I think it hurts more than getting into a physical fight.”
“Talk to us more often,” added Aleia. “Check in, make sure we’re all right. Parents, be more protective of your children, make sure they’re not being bullied.”
Another school friend, Brandon Bishop, said adults need to be more aware of the unspoken messages they’re sending.
“I know a lot of parents who go to work, come home, do nothing – they play their Facebook games, zone out of everything – then kids are hurting in their homes,” he said. “There's still kids who are silent about it and some parents don't have the relationship with their kids to open up and talk like that. But just put yourself out there. Eventually, your kids will come and talk.”
According to the Youth Suicide Prevention Project, 39 percent of sixth graders in Washington reported feeling depression or sad most days in the past year. One out of five Washington eighth graders considered suicide in the previous year.
We want to be clear that this story is not an effort to assign blame, but rather to share lessons that could help save young lives. The parents of both girls are aware of our story and realize it is important for the public to know what happened.
We’re also not trying to blame bullying alone on social networks like Facebook or Instagram.
But what’s different than when many of us were kids is that if a child has conflict with someone at school, they can’t escape it when they head home. A mean text message or Facebook post can pop in at any time and because of technology it can spread to an entire school very quickly.
And bullying is a pervasive problem. In 2010, Washington’s Healthy Youth Survey found that 30 percent of Grade 6 and 8 students, 24 percent of Grade 10 students, and 17 percent of Grade 12 students reported being bullied in the past 30 days.
Research has shown that being a victim, perpetrator, or even a witness to bullying is associated with multiple behavioral, emotional, and social problems. According to the most recent HYS analysis of the problem:
- Nearly 1/4 of 10th graders who reported being bullied also reported having made a suicide attempt in the past 12 months
- Half of the 12th graders who reported being bullied also reported feeling sad and hopeless almost every day for two weeks in a row
- Mind Your Mind: A non-profit dedicated to providing reliable information for youth dealing with depression, anxiety, and suicide. The site contains youth-specific resources, tips for coping with mental illness issues, and the personal stories of youth who have experienced and overcome these issues.
- Reach Out: A website for youth, by youth, with information on how to help yourself or a friend who is thinking about suicide. Allows youth to share their stories about overcoming depression and suicide in an online, supportive environment.
- We Can Help Us: A collection of videos made by real teens who have gone through a variety of different challenges and overcome them. Also allows other youth to share their own stories in a supportive environment.
- The Trevor Project: A website dedicated to helping LGBTQ youth dealing with depression, anxiety, and suicide. Also operates a 24-hour crisis hotline, 1-866-4-U-TREVOR.
- The Jed Foundation: A resource for college students containing information about depression and anxiety among college students, and information about how to get help at school.
- Metanoia.org: An online resource that offers information about how to find and contact a therapist, and how to make sure your therapist is right for you. Also offers resources for connecting to a therapist online for 'e-therapy'.
- Teen forum on suicide being held in Battle Ground
Resources for parents:
- Association for Behavioral Cognitive Therapies: Offers information for parents about childhood mental health issues and advice on finding the best treatment for you and your family.
- Lok-It-Up: A campaign to promote the safe storage of firearms. Offers advice on how to safely store firearms and prevent teen firearm suicide.
- ASK Campaign: A website dedicated to gun safety. Information about firearm deaths and tips for preventing your children from gun violence.
Resources for Educators:
- Evergreen Education Association: The Evergreen Education Association is holding a "Diversity and Social Justice Conference" in February with a session that will focus on suicide prevention.
Letter from principal at Chief Umtuch Middle School:
Dear Parents of Chief Students,
As you know the past week has been difficult at Chief. Our students have been dealing with some very heavy issues. Emotions have been high and many students have had to confront themselves and how they deal with others students. For many, relationships have been “on again, off again.” A new word has even been coined: frenemy. This refers to a person who is your friend today, your enemy tomorrow, your friend the next day, and so on.
And here’s what makes it worse: Facebook. Now I don’t have a Facebook account, and I don’t want to speak out of place. I’m sure some aspects of social networking have merit. But I also know what I observe each day in working with our children. For most, the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages. Kids engage in petty disagreements and small problems become large; they lose a sense of what it means to be confidential; they spend far too much time doing something that adds almost nothing to their skills and abilities in becoming productive adults. And worst of all: they tend to be meaner when they type than when they talk face to face. In most cases, in my opinion, our kids when Facebooking, are developing poor habits that diminish their ability to form and maintain positive relationships.
As you might suspect, this has great impact on our school. Nearly all Facebooking by students is done outside school walls and outside school time. Yet it comes to us each day. Before we even begin our day, some students are upset with each other because of comments made late in the evening before – often in a “conversation” that didn’t even involve them at the start. Sad.
So … I want to challenge you. For the good of all our children, please monitor closely your kids’ Facebook accounts. Limit their time; read their comments. For some, I’d even suggest closing their accounts altogether and going without. This would actually be my first choice. Hopefully the word frenemy will be short lived. May our kids learn to develop relationships where a friend today is a friend tomorrow. True, we face many challenges in helping our kids learn – not all our bad habits can be attributed to Facebook. But the challenge of controlling Facebook is immediate, and, if we succeed, the impact will be positive and great. Please, let’s accept this challenge now.
-Dave Cresap
Principal
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I think it is seriously irresponsible for any parents to let their children have facebook, myspace, etc. Even allowing a young teen to have a cellphone with capabilities beyond just being able to contact your parents and 911 is irresponsible. Kids/teens are not mature enough to handle social media and cellphones. I am 23 years old and if someone called me a fat slut or whatever mean name, I would laugh it off/ignore it. My reaction to insults is such because I am mature enough to know that stupid people will say stupid things and it really doesnt matter. Words only have as much as importance as you put on them. But you can't expect a young teen to have that same outlook and ability to handle bullying. When I was 12, 13, 14 etc, I would have an did take insulting words or bullying pretty hard because I was a child and didn't have the maturity or experience to know that these jerks don't matter. I went through depression, cried, spent a lot of time alone, etc because of stupid middle school/high school drama. I remember being in middle school and having a rumor go around that I was a lesbian because I was so athletic. It crushed me that people I thought were my friends or that "popular kids" were saying this about me. If someone accused me of being gay today, I would laugh, I wouldnt give it two seconds of my attention. KIDS AND TEENS DONT THINK LIKE THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH. Yes, a lot of kids have enough confidence and parental guidance and support that they wouldnt take bullying to heart so much but a lot of kids don't have that confidence and support. If you let your child freely have a cellphone or social media, you are irresponsible. Oh WAH WAH WAH they will cry and whine that "all my friends have a cellphone, all my friends have facebook," well who gives a damn, its time to stop doing whatever will makes your kids "happy," its time to stop giving in so your kids don't get mad at you or play guilt trips on you, its time to be a damn parent and distinguish what is healthy and necessary for a child to have access too and what is ultimately detramental. PARENTS NEED TO START BEING PARENTS! People got a long just fine without facebook and cellphones and were a hell of a lot better off before. Even adults using social media have issues, look at the divorce/infidelty statistics because of social media/other technology. The world was a better place prior to facebook and myspace and twitter and all this other BS. But ultimately it starts with the parents...
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We throw people in jail the second we notice physical abuse, the tolerance for such a thing is absolute zero and understandably why.  But what about mental abuse? why is it so ignored? why is mental abuse treated as a norm.  A husband or wife can be mentally abused for years and not be prosecuted, but a bunch of people can blatenly mentally abuse someone with evidence to convict them for it to an extent that leads someone to death and they all pay nothing for it?
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I vote for the latter.
 @kaigth Because mental abuse are difficult, often almost impossible, to prove.  What's the difference between simply ridiculing somebody and "mental abuse?"  Where do we draw the line?  If people were prosecuted and jailed to being verbally abusive, virtually every American, especially middle schoolers, will belong in jail.Â
EdgarDerby, I agree with you. There is always a conflict between the right of "life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness", and freedom of speech in all its forms. Unless a distinction can be made that one is more onerous in a case (such as yelling fire in a theatre as an example), we will have these questions. It is sad what happened but you cannot say definitively that social media was the tipping point. Underlying mental illness or numerous other factors could have played a part in these young women taking thier own lives.
We live in this District but my kids were not allowed to go to school there. There is a culture of hopelessness and until the district and parents are willing to acknowledge that what they are doing is not working nothing will change. There needs to be top down change. The culture must be changed. Build the kids esteem through actual accomplishments and words from peers don't matter. I was always the biggest kid in my class and was teased but it did not mean anything because I had a list of accomplishments that said all of the stuff they said about me was wrong. My esteem was high so other could not pull me down and those whose esteem was also high did not bother to try to tear anyone down. Work to raise everyone's esteem  and this destructive crap stops.Â
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I have worked with youth since I was a youth. I have a special place in my heart for the "freak," "Mutant," and "Weirdo" and to date I have not lost one. Because I was willing to do the tough things that teachers, parents, and friends were not.
You know, excuses for suicide supersede the real issue . Low self esteem, the truth is we don't give the kids the tools they need to cope because the state is to damn busy poking its nose in where it don't belong.
Just a suggestion as I don't actually know anything but sometimes it's time to just shut the internet off and stop listening to others opinions about personal things. Girls did you ever hear of the ugly duckling who grew into the beautiful swan? It happens for real it's not a fairy tale for some. I see some of the women i went to high school with who were the popular cheerleaders and they are just plump and plain as anybody elseâs Mom now. And then one in particular was as plain as a tween boy until she was a good 20 years old now she's as glamorous as any fashion model. hang in there kid.
Poor girls! :( These bullies in school need to get lives! If a kid kills themself then the person that was bulling should be held responsible. All you bullies out there - Why don't you grow up and focus on your school work and leave the innocent kids alone! Pick on yourself. These girls were not fat or ugly. They were beautiful and should of had long happy lives! :(
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Just terrible...These kids have to have their whole life as an open book for everyone to see, some jackarse comes in and says bad things about them and then this happens. Come you young kids, the world does not revolve around Facebook and texting, but if you make it that it does revolve around those two get a thicker skin! Something about sticks and stones........I really feel bad for both parents, but especially the one that was being proactive and talking to their daughter about suicide and she said she would never do it...and then.
We all have a chance to be kinder, our heart felt compassion for families suffering, our reminder... it is up to each and everyone of us in our daily conduct...to practice kindness, it cultivates peace and dignity.
It's a total and complete tragedy that two young and  beautiful girls are gone. Regardless of what was wrong, it's a tragedy - it just makes me want to be even kinder to my kids - gentler - and even more loving - and also to my boyfriend's kids.... life is tough for teens - hormones, self-loathing, keeping grades up, hoping kids like you - the whole thing ..... and for some they're simply more fragile - so so sad. I feel loss.... the lives of those around those girls will never ever be the same.... hind site is 20/20....Â
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take the cell phones and face book from these kid sand send them out to play! really are the partents today that frigging stupid!
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Our young people need a bully hotline to anonymously have a resource to report bullying. Naming names. Then parents, school officials could quietly monitor those bullying others. When caught parents, students and others could be required to learn more about the effect of bullying and parents to do a better job of parenting. I believe a close look at home would reveal some bullying at home. They have to take their anger out somewhere. Couldn't more be done to include the "loners", maybe try to draw then into some of their interests, photography, chess, etc. Maybe some retired grandparents could be brought in to be there for them at special occasions, maybe at an early age. Sincerely concerned.
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Very sad. If these children were so fragile that social media comments made them want to kill themselves, something else had to be significantly wrong.
 @correct Things sure have changed over the years. When I went to school in LA, kids constantly talked crap at eachother. If it went to far, we ended up fighting and it would be over. My sister was built pretty big and once in a while some girl would treat her like that. she would just beat the crap out of whoever talked crap about her, it would get around school and eveyone would leave her alone for a while. She had a lot of friends, every time there was a fight they all seemed to know and a crowd would show up. Seems now with this "social media" nobody wants to confront eachotther; cowards do it with phones instead of in person. I tought my son the old way: don't talk crap at people and if someone tries to hit you, aim your first punch to 3 inches behind the nose. After 2 fights in middle school nobody challenged him.
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Good LOL...but it seems that America is charting new waters in the realm of abusive vitriol intended to dehumanize the opposition in political and social debate. Part of it is the remoteness and facelessness and gracelessness of communication but also it seems that people willing to just be more nasty because it is a badge of honor among their faction to be the most extreme.Â
BTW, Dave Cresap is spot on, and I applaud him for what he wrote. Parents everywhere should take his advice.
Eight graders. EIGHTH GRADERS? Keep it real, parents. Be your child's most important person. And keep in touch with who their friends are too. Talk to their teachers. Talk to them. Do activities with them. Don't let a day go by without knowing how they are feeling.Â
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No one knows but these two beautiful girls - why they chose to end their lives. All of us older and wiser human beings know that being in EIGHTH grade goes away - as soon as NINTH GRADE comes around. And 10TH grade too. And on and on.Â
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I am a 76 year old dinosaur who knows basically nothing about Facebook or any others of the so-called "social media", which seem to me from what I read here and elsewhere to be very anti-social media. So please explain, does Facebook and the others not have an off switch? Are these teens who are being abused forced to read this awful stuff because they can't turn it off, or do they voluntarily read it as a form of self-abuse? Is there something hypnotic about it? If a kid is voluntarily reading this stuff, doesn't that mean s/he is pretty sick to start with? Just curious.
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 @Benjamin Schniffle  @TomWF Wow, a lot of assumptions. Yes, I am 76. I work on-line, but all I know about Facebook et al is what a few younger relatives tell me (while rolling their eyes) and the dreadful stories I read, like this one, about its gross misuse. So, I await some constructive answers to my questions, rather than egregious put-downs.
 @Benjamin Schniffle This (what you wrote) is why we can't have nice things.  Your response to Tom is a great example of the beginnings of online bullying.  It almost seems as though you may have had a less than positive conversation with Tom in the past and are perpetuating a negative situation. There are more positive ways to express your opinions and/or questions that may benefit you.
 @Benjamin Schniffle  @TomWF Lol, thanks for making Tom's point:
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We lived in BG for a 2 years and within month realized it was not the kind of place we wanted to raise our kids. The vast majority of parents work, and kids are not being raised well. I think the comment in this article by Brandon Bishop was dead on... âI know a lot of parents who go to work, come home, do nothing â they play their Facebook games, zone out of everything â then kids are hurting in their homes,â he said. âThere's still kids who are silent about it and some parents don't have the relationship with their kids to open up and talk like that. But just put yourself out there. Eventually, your kids will come and talk.â
Parents are not engaged in their kids lives anymore. Parents care more about cars, money, tv's, houses, then their own kids and how they turn out. Kids are raising themselves, learning from peers, or from school. Even if a child has friends to support them, it is hard to handle others putting you down. My children did not complete even one full year in the Battle Ground School District. That district has some serious issues, and my mommy senses knew my kids were not in a safe environment. I do not know what the answer is to help that community, other then God. I do hope those in the community that do care, can rally together to find a solution, and stop the pain that is very apparent in the Battle Ground youth.
I also believe if there is proof on a Facebook page, that one child was bullying another, then there should be some form of criminal charges that can be brought up against the bully.Â
Stated in the article... The boy wrote Isabelle to say things like âwhy would I date you?â âyou donât deserve to be treated rightâ and âyou got dumped you deserve it.â Â
Has anyone talked to this young man, or his parents about his actions. I would be interested to see what his parents think. I bet you, they see nothing wrong with his actions, and that is the biggest problem of all. How can you expect youth to behave with compassion and kindness, when they are not taught it at home?
 @Jennifer It's weird. For years and years and years BG was the place people wanted to raise their families because the school district was full of good teachers and good people. I graduated just 3 years ago and I NEVER experienced any of the kind of bullying that is apparently going on now and I was not popular by any means.Â
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BG has always been a 'nicer' district than most of the others surrounding it. I don't really know when that changed and its sad to me.
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Sadly, Battle Ground is a "tame" environment compared to many places where kids are abandoned to their own "lord of the flies" world.
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I like the letter that Principle Dave Cresap wrote. Having worked with kids before Facebook and computers, I couldn't agree more. Too much quality time of actual in-person human contact is going missing from these kids lives. The teens years are a time for learning more personal interaction and communication skills which includes the emotional vulnerability and emotional intimacy of in-person conversations  which include body-language and nuance. Gluing into a computer endlessly sucks away time for other non-computer-oriented pursuits that make for a well-rounded life.Â
I notice a huge decay in the halfway decent ability to even spell or compose a sentence by the text  phenomenon as well.
Yea, right. Give everyone access to social mediums that make them do crazy things like killing over some comment or committing suicide in the extreme. It appears that technology really has outstripped all of humanities philosophies when it comes to common sense and living life. I do feel for the two young girls and their families since these tragedies will continue as parents ignore and mediums do whatever it takes to indoctrinate our kids...
Eesh, the little girl on the left looks so much like my own, right down to that sweet, sarcastic, funny expression. I keep looking at it thinking "this is Amanda in 3 years".
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Seems like the best lesson we can teach our kids at this point is how temporary all this drama is. It's finite. The SECOND they move on to college or on from high school, it gets better. And the most popular people in school are often not the successful ones in life.
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What a waste of innocent, beautiful lives. This is very sad.
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Yeah, and the one on the right looks much like my Amanda, who is now 21. Thankfully. All three of mine made it to adulthood. Now I worry about the grand kids and what they will face. Really feel for kids these days. So much different than it was for us.
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My deepest condolences to the loved ones of these girls.
Anna, please also check into the popular teen and young adult website Tumblr. When I joined the site a few months ago, my eyes were opened to the real life of troubled teens. The life they hide from the adult world. Teens regularly post images of graphic sex, self harming, suicide notes, and drug usage on Tumblr . In addition, anonymous users regularly post on member profiles, taunting them to kill themselves and telling the suicidal teen that they do not deserve to live. They treat it like a game as numbers of them gang up on a particular teen who has threatened suicide and try to convince them to do it. These teens are secure in the knowledge that their parents are ignorant about what they do on the internet all day long, because the parents have no knowledge about Tumblr or other sites their kids frequent. Unlike facebook, there are NO filters on Tumblr against porn or violent images, so even kids as young as 12-13 are exposed to internet bullying, pornography, pedophilia and other disturbing subject matter. It breaks my heart to see this behavior, so I hope you and team will continue this important investigation.
 @Bonnie Anne Yiiii! That is horrible. Thanks for letting us know.
This has to stop. Start holding these bullies accountable for something! Quite frankly, throw them in jail and they can deal with the consequences of their actions. Enough of this junk about kids being kids. Make them scared to pull this bully and hate talk stuff and maybe we will actually see something change.
I have a 7 year old daughter that will be 8 in March, I have said it over and over, she will not have a social media page. Kids are the worst kind of bullies. When we are going through puberty we feel so awkward, and unsure of who we are, and having bullies saying things like your fat, ugly, stupid how else are these kids supposed to react, when they can't even understand their bodies, emotions and all the other stuff that comes with being a teenager. So they feel lost and do not know what to do. I know I am a survivor of teenage suicide, and thank god I lived and my parents did not have to bury me. They put me in a hospital for a few months with a lot of therapy, and it helped a little , but time and growing into who you are is what really helped me. I feel for all these kids out here that are bullied everyday, it breaks my heart. God bless these two beautiful girls, they would have grown up to be something great!!!!
The term "frenemy" is not new. I agree with the principal that the advent of social media brings out the worst in people. I am much, much older than these girls and over the past year *I* have had "frenemies"! I have been the recipient of the friends today-enemies-the-next-friends again type treatment. It took me a long while to come to grips with this, but I made a firm policy for myself....people who act like "frenemies" are cut loose and then ignored 100%. Unfortunately, it takes awhile to understand that you have frenemies, but once you do realize it, you should stop all interaction with them and be happy with the decision.
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Chief Joseph is quoted: "Be a friend to all, but let no one abuse you". Everyone, Â no matter what your age, should protect against abusive treatment. The BEST thing is to cut these people out of your life and not look back. Don't react to anything that they do or say. That is what I have done and I know it drives my "frenemies" nuts. They want a reaction. Don't give them any. (I write all this with the deep understanding that people 13 years old don't generally have the type of emotional wherewithall to do as I've advised....but parents should and must teach how to stand up against abuse!)
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 @Philip Marlowe what you say makes  good solid sense but I  do think it is important for the school and parents to step in further and makes changes as they can to make a healthier school community.
anna and isabel were really great friends of mine and we dont know why thaty had to do this but they did and we alll miss them
 @Tj D Allen Be sure to read the replies to YouAreTheHeart below.
I'm pretty sure that if I say what's on my mind, KATU would shut me down, so I'm just going to say I have a daughter, and a friend who's daughter attends that school. It would be worth jail, is what I'm getting at.
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"That material, obtained during the course of our investigation, includes images directly related to suicide."That has a weird, coppery ring to it which makes me feel like it was very difficult for the reporter to compose that sentence, and if so, that was exceptionally well-handled.
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 @gunnutz  @Playanekes  @parrot456 Yeah. My kid goes to a private school in Portland. I'm not going to tell you where my daughter goes to school because you're starting to get a little more than just weird here.
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A troll whining about being trolled. That's not irony that's fate.
 @gunnutz  @Falyne  @Playanekes It makes perfect sense, as the point of the sentence was to show the two types of emotional connection they have to the case. They have a daughter, so they can imagine what those other parents are going through. They have a friend whose daughter actually attends that school, so this hits them close to home. Again, it could have been less ambiguously written, but you're going waaaaay out of your way to interpret it uncharitably.
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"I have a dog, and a cat who has been declawed", in a conversation about pets, would not indicate that the dog has also been declawed.
 @gunnutz  @Falyne  @Playanekes The comma would be grammatically incorrect, in that case. It separates the two clauses: I have a daughter, and I have a friend [whose] daughter attends that school. Dropping a second "I have" in a list like that is fairly common, but leaving it in would have made it clearer that these are two different things.
 @gunnutz  @Falyne  @Playanekes Wow,you caught me making a grammatical mistake.  Does that make you feel better about yourself, stalker?  What IS wrong with you?
 @Falyne  @gunnutz Gunnutz has been stalking me across about four discussions now. Your interpretation of my comment is correct.
 @gunnutz  @Playanekes  They said they had a daughter, and that their FRIEND'S daughter goes to this school. There's a comma there.
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 @gunnutz  @Playanekes Yep. Good one. I wrote AR-15 instead of M-16A2. The differences are subtle; mainly the 3-round burst mode. I don't expect you to understand how fundamentally similar the two rifles are. You're getting a little creepy, man.
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It doesn't matter Mort if you chose a side or not because anyone absolutely must appreciate the greatest episode of "Troll V. Troll" EVER! Even MAD magazine in 40 years or more of publication never created a Spy V. Spy that was so entertaining. MAD really should take note of that exchange and update the magazine to reflect the times. Â
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 @Playanekes  @gunnutz I was fairly explicit that I wasn't commenting on your disagreement. Only the play on words!
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I do find it kind of strange how the other person is stalking you and being rude, particualrly on an article about cyber bullying. Hmm...
 @Morticae  @gunnutz And unoriginal, but, he's eking it for all the mileage he can get.
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He's stalking me because he's an anti-gun freak doesn't like my opinion, so, he and another guy have been trying to challenge my military service.   I believe it's called "Swiftboating."I'm happy that it amuses you.
 @gunnutz  @Playanekes Why don't you tell me the differences in the bolt housing group or upper receiver between an M16 and an A-15, there, stalker.
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What IS your problem?
 @gunnutz  @Playanekes I have no interest or knowledge of this argument, but the term "Semper Faux" was clever and amusing.