California first to ban gay teen 'conversion' therapy
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Gov. Jerry Brown has signed legislation that makes California the first state to ban a controversial form of psychotherapy that's aimed at making gay teenagers straight.
Effective Jan. 1, mental health practitioners are prohibited from performing sexual orientation change efforts - known as reparative or conversion therapy - for anyone under 18.
The therapies "have no basis in science or medicine and they will now be relegated to the dustbin of quackery," Brown said in a statement.
Mainstream associations representing psychiatrists and psychologists have dismissed reparative therapy in recent decades. A number of mental health associations in California - including the state's Board of Behavorial Sciences, the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists and the California Psychological Association - supported the legislation.
But some organizations and ministries continue to use counseling and prayer to try to help conflicted Christians rid themselves of unwanted homosexual inclinations. Gay rights activists have said the damage they inflict on individuals can be deep and lasting and can put youth at higher risk of depression and suicide.
"We're grateful to Gov. Brown for standing with California's children," the Human Rights Campaign said in a statement. "LGBT youth will now be protected from a practice that has not only been debunked as junk science, but has been proven to have drastically negative effects on their well-being."
The group called on other states to follow California's lead on the issue.
Conservative religious groups and some Republicans have argued that banning conversion therapy would hinder parents' right to provide psychological care for children experiencing gender confusion.
The Encino, Calif.-based National Association for Research and Therapy on Homosexuality said in August that the bill was a case of "legislative overreach." They said Democratic state Senator Ted Lieu's claims of harm to children were based on politics, not research.
Lieu, who sponsored the bill, said the law will stop children from being psychologically abused.
Brown signed the bill Saturday amid a busy weekend that saw him act on more than 100 pieces of legislation, including a bill he signed late Sunday that would allow some illegal immigrants to get California drivers licenses.
The bill lets the Department of Motor Vehicles issue licenses to illegal immigrants eligible for work permits under a new Obama administration policy. It requires the department to accept as proof of legal residence whatever document the federal government provides to participants in its deferred action program.
The governor also signed into law a bill that will allow parents who don't have their children vaccinated to enroll their children in school. Parents would have to obtain a waiver from a physician or a nurse practitioner saying they received information about the benefits and risks of immunization.
Brown vetoed a bill that could have protected illegal immigrants from deportation if they committed minor infractions. The bill was dubbed "anti-Arizona" legislation, a reference to that state's immigrant identification law.
He also vetoed legislation that would have provided overtime pay, meal breaks and other labor protections to an estimated 200,000 caregivers, nannies and house cleaners. The Democratic governor said they deserve fair pay and safe working conditions but said the bill "raises a number of unanswered questions."
Effective Jan. 1, mental health practitioners are prohibited from performing sexual orientation change efforts - known as reparative or conversion therapy - for anyone under 18.
The therapies "have no basis in science or medicine and they will now be relegated to the dustbin of quackery," Brown said in a statement.
Mainstream associations representing psychiatrists and psychologists have dismissed reparative therapy in recent decades. A number of mental health associations in California - including the state's Board of Behavorial Sciences, the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists and the California Psychological Association - supported the legislation.
But some organizations and ministries continue to use counseling and prayer to try to help conflicted Christians rid themselves of unwanted homosexual inclinations. Gay rights activists have said the damage they inflict on individuals can be deep and lasting and can put youth at higher risk of depression and suicide.
"We're grateful to Gov. Brown for standing with California's children," the Human Rights Campaign said in a statement. "LGBT youth will now be protected from a practice that has not only been debunked as junk science, but has been proven to have drastically negative effects on their well-being."
The group called on other states to follow California's lead on the issue.
Conservative religious groups and some Republicans have argued that banning conversion therapy would hinder parents' right to provide psychological care for children experiencing gender confusion.
The Encino, Calif.-based National Association for Research and Therapy on Homosexuality said in August that the bill was a case of "legislative overreach." They said Democratic state Senator Ted Lieu's claims of harm to children were based on politics, not research.
Lieu, who sponsored the bill, said the law will stop children from being psychologically abused.
Brown signed the bill Saturday amid a busy weekend that saw him act on more than 100 pieces of legislation, including a bill he signed late Sunday that would allow some illegal immigrants to get California drivers licenses.
The bill lets the Department of Motor Vehicles issue licenses to illegal immigrants eligible for work permits under a new Obama administration policy. It requires the department to accept as proof of legal residence whatever document the federal government provides to participants in its deferred action program.
The governor also signed into law a bill that will allow parents who don't have their children vaccinated to enroll their children in school. Parents would have to obtain a waiver from a physician or a nurse practitioner saying they received information about the benefits and risks of immunization.
Brown vetoed a bill that could have protected illegal immigrants from deportation if they committed minor infractions. The bill was dubbed "anti-Arizona" legislation, a reference to that state's immigrant identification law.
He also vetoed legislation that would have provided overtime pay, meal breaks and other labor protections to an estimated 200,000 caregivers, nannies and house cleaners. The Democratic governor said they deserve fair pay and safe working conditions but said the bill "raises a number of unanswered questions."
This is How Ivew the whole gay thing and mind this is my thinking it may be right or wrong but here it is.
I have a cellphone from Verizon . It states in the book that the Apps can not be removed. they state on there sight as well, That no apps that come with the phone can be removed. Is this statement true? or is it false?
It is indeed false because those of us with a working knowledge Know that the code can be manipulated and changed to bend to our need with "super User" . those in generally go withthe flow have no use for this, but those of us who "Choose to Change our devices" can do so.Â
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lets say we have unwanted software we loathing call bloat ware oh lets say I do not Like City Id, I have no need for it so I want to remove it, but as the phone stands It can ot be removed. so I send in "Super User" and then I can proceed to remove the unwanted software by using an app called "No Bloat" people will send fear and loathing sate that stuff has viruses, no it don't
 @lee986321 Dude.  Anyone with this much interest in homosexuality should probably take some time for introspection into his possibly repressed orientation. Â
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So I am now with out an unseeded piece of software.
Si see gay as being the same thing, It is bloat that we do not need and if a person so chose to get counseling to remove the bloat from there lives then it is up to them, it is not up to us to dictate who should or should not have counseling, the people that enter in to this all agree on what can happen they can agree to leave or stay, it is not up to us to decide from them and it Sure in hell is not up to our government or political figures to decide this either. Just as it is not up to Verizon to replace my phone if I chose to render it a brick.and to be frnk i would not expect Verizon to do so.
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My Point being is we all have choices, some feel threatened by those choices others do not..
You can either agree or disagree that is your purgative, but, you can neither condemn nor condone a persons right to chose.
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@lee986321 Do you by chance read back your posts after you select "Post comment"? Oh I guess you do, it's more than just purgative vs. prerogative.
@lee986321 The post you are replying to contains 2 sentences, you couldn't even read two sentences? I addressed your correction in the second sentence, but I guess you âdoes not read everythingâ.
 @JTesla  @lee986321 YUP, just as I thought, does not read everything. you did not read the correction I made..Hmm Must be a time delay. from posting...
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@lee986321 1) What? 2) People are not a cellphone from Verizon 3) No really, what?
 @JTesla  @lee986321 it is a metaphor if you can not understand this, then your education from the state has failed you, or you are to young to be here. You maybe smart in math but that doesn't make you a wizard in other areas.
 @lee986321 âAnd we have watched the eroding of our societyâ
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Crime rate down since 1992. Teen pregnancies down since the 1991. Sources, CDC and FBI:
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Future generations will have no remorse for others, commitments will be a thing of the past and society as a whole will crumble when no one wants to work and everyone wants to make a quick buck and large portions of our youth continue to end up in prison from disregarding the law as something only losers follow. The media has made violence, unprotected sex, drug use, and horror a daily reality for children and no one stops to think, who will eventually be paying the price for all this?
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You see there is a great price that will be coming with all this.
every day we are changing the social norms and every day we are reaping the anguish from it.
we confuse our kids to the brink of insanity,
We have removed discipline and have devalued life to the point where people will pass up an injured person or die in a hospital floor..
We think that we are bettering our selves while instead we are destroying our selves.
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And when such powers that be force an issue up on us people accept it readily just like a dog laying on there back in Submissive mode. "Don't go against this or you will be ridiculed" say some
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"You dislike the very thought of gay and you think it is revolting, you must be a hater" say some.
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SO be it, But I will stand for what I believe to be true . the the course of some 42 years I have witnessed many things, that have lead up to these very events . in fact we all have .
And we have watched the eroding of our society.
we complain and bicker about the corruption in the white house. That is because we have become a corrupt and vile nation with no morals nor values. We are about to fall. Even right now you are blind to see the coming fall rest assured it is coming rather we want it to or not.
We are about to get our collective buts handed to us. and it won't be by China or and other country. Our fall will be like that of Rome. We will fall from with in.
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So go ahead and accept what ever practices you think to be just and right.but remember.
It takes a lot of "Chopping to bring down a mighty Oak," and Who is to say what Chop will bring it down?
So as we hack away at morals and other things, just be reminded. Just like that great oak tree, Hack long enough and we will fall.
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A History Of Desensitization
In the 1950s when the Rock and Roll genre hit its peak of popularity, parents complained that the racy lyrics and sexually suggestive dance moves of huge artists like Elvis Presley and James Dean were a bad influence on their teens and would lead to a rise deviant behavior. In the 70s it was artists like Jimmy Hendricks and Janis Joplan that parents were in an uproar about, because their lyrics suggested a lifestyle that promoted regular open drug use and sexual activity without commitment. In the 90s it was Gangsta Rap. Artists like Ice T, and Snoop Dog sang about violence, murder, drug use, rape, and placed women in such a bad light that parents took their complaints all the way to Congress in an attempt to contain the monster and ban rap from store shelves forever.
Reality TV
Along with the new genres of music the 1990s had to offer, questionable influences started invading American's homes through their television sets. The rise of 'reality tv' brought the cheap antics of Johnny nobody to the boob tube and put it on display for all to see. Anybody could now be a star for doing nothing more than being themselves. But as shows evolved and television networks dug deeper and deeper to find fresh ideas for the next big show executives turned to young adults and teens to fill that void.
Nowadays all a girl has to do is be a pregnant teen to make it big and get on television. Shows like MTV's Teen Mom, portray what kids say is the hardship of being a teenage parent, but so many parents argue that the show glorifies teenage pregnancy and actually encourages teens to get pregnant for a chance to be on the show and earn their fifteen minutes of fame.
http://suite101.com/article/the-desensitization-of-young-america-a337329
The best way to change a populations way of thinking is to "Desensitize that which is normal and that which is not through education and programming"
When the Education and Programming is complete then "Desensitization has taken root, the Best way to Desensitize a group is by repeating it is normal. Eventually the populace will think it is the norm and accept it. There are those who can not be programmed and who can not be desensitized, those will remain a threat and will hold what is true,.
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desensitizingpresent participle of de·sen·si·tize (Verb)Verb:Make less sensitive.Make (someone) less likely to feel shock or distress at scenes of cruelty, violence, or suffering by overexposure to such images.
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The Desensitization of Young America and the Media
How the media is desensitizing today's young people and what you can do to stop it.
For generations parents have complained that the media has been improperly influencing our children. From rock and roll in the 1950s to gangsta rap in the 90s and the tv shows and movies of today, parents the nation over, have been urging the United States Government to step in and protect our children from all the exposure to things like sex, drug use, drinking and violence, claiming that all the attention recently circulating about all of it is desensitizing our children and condoning this once undesirable behavior as a normal part of an open lifestyle.
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For many Americans, this reality is a normal part of life. We use drugs, we drink, we enjoy sex, we live in impoverished communities and we raise our children in lower income neighborhoods, but many parents argue that our children are being exposed to these images and lifestyles through the media way too early in life and in an attempt to emulate their favorite stars, they are in fact putting themselves in an increased amount of unnecessary danger and a rapid ascension into adulthood.
It is estimated that by the time the average child reaches the sixth grade, they will have seen about 100,000 acts of violence, which will include up to 8,000 simulated murders. The music they listen to, the shows they watch, the movies and video games we put out and the increasingly easy access to porn has overloaded young children and made them old before their time. This much exposure could cause children to be less concerned about the pain and suffering of others, become more aggressive towards others and/or become more afraid of the outside world, a problem that has increased dramatically over the years.
@lee986321 LOL now that is good. You are going to question my education and/or age. Really? I'm not one to nitpick spelling and grammar, I just let it slide, so no... I wonât go there with you. However, you really shouldnât question the education level of others after you make posts like that.
http://www.towleroad.com/2011/10/michelle-bachmanns-friend-claims-shes-no-longer-a-lesbian.html
Janet Boynes used to be a lesbian. No longer! She's over that now. The before-and-after pictures prove it. And she's helping others get over their homosexuality at Janet Boynes Ministries.
Interviewed on a radio show, Boynes was more than happy to talk about her past drug and alcohol addictions, her failed engagement to a man, and her painful experiences with rape. But don't ask her if she's friends with Michele and Marcus Bachmann - because that's personal.
"You know, if you have a question for Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, I think you need to contact her. Anything about Michele Bachmann or Marcus Bachmann has nothing to do with my ministry. That's my personal life and we're not talking about my personal life. Anything dealing with my personal life, I choose not to talk about."
"There are certain things I believe the propel us to go into a life of homosexuality, just like any other type of addiction that we have a tendency for going into. I was raised in a family of seven kids and had four different fathers. The man that my mother married, who was not my father, molested me and then I was molested by an altar boy. I never felt that men treated me right. I watched my mother be abused by my step-father."
She says statistics show that 90% of lesbians were molested, so she thinks they chose to give up men.
"We make a choice to either become heterosexual or homosexual. You don't come out of your mother's womb as an addict or a pedophile, you make a choice to do that, right?"
Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2011/10/michelle-bachmanns-friend-claims-shes-no-longer-a-lesbian.html#ixzz285LjwAZY
@lee986321 âThe before-and-after pictures prove itâ Oh, of course you can detect lesbianism by looking at pictures. I don't need to see those pictures to know that. Why just look at Portia de Rossi, umm wait I mean look at Anna Paquin. Hmm nope. Granted Anna isnât a lesbian sheâs bisexual, something that showcases how blurred the lines of human sexuality are. Many in your camp would like to think that there are clearly defined boxes, one marked gay and one marked straight when it is actually more like a line with a bell-curve. I don't even need to deal with the rest of the drivel, I know where that gets me... 5 more posts with links to articles that you Googled. Iâve been down this road before, I donât know why I even bother⦠oh because it allowed me to Google pictures of Portia and Anna, thatâs right.
 @JTesla  @lee986321 actaully I have Google to be tightening the reigns an such topics, but then Google has its political issues, I never use Google to find things on this area..I pity the person who only uses Google for everything.
@lee986321 Talking about yourself? Because you went all in with search engine in your last post and I touched on search engine and then went back to Portia... the lesbian... not fitting the "before-and-after pictures" concept. You make this too easy, that's why I suggested to you in the past to maybe try to focus a little more narrowly. Don't shotgun your posts, maybe try a more surgical strike posting style.
 @JTesla  @lee986321 poor lad, can't stay on topic.
@lee986321 Yeah, I like Bing too... in fact I should Bing pictures of Portia just in case there are some I haven't seen yet.
KATU di not tell the full Story, it does go on to say that this pace of legislation is indeed illegal as it interferes with a persons right to chose, The governor is being taken to court over this.
Republicans opposed the bill as a state intrusion into the decision of parents about how to raise their children. The conservative Pacific Justice Institute has said it will file a lawsuit alleging that the measure violates constitutional protections, including the free-speech rights of therapists and the right of patients to get access to information.
"The privacy concerns are fairly significant," said Matthew McReynolds, a staff attorney for the institute. "In our view, it's an intrusion beyond what the government has done before."
http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2019309124_gaytherapy01.html?prmid=head_main
Either do the story in full or don't write it.
Liberty Counsel will sue on behalf of counselors, parents, and minors who provide, refer, or who receive and have found change therapy to be beneficial," Mat Staver, Liberty Counsel's founder and chairman, is quoted as saying. "Under this bill, the counselor will be forced to disregard the clientâs religious beliefs or change them. This bill will harm minors, undermine parental rights, and interfere with the rights of counselors. This bill and the ethical codes of all of the licensing boards in California are on an inevitable collision course."
Staver then concludes: "The implications of the government determining what counseling treatments are acceptable should concern every counselor and citizen. That decision should be left to the patient, the parents, and the doctors. The government has no place in that conversation."
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@lee986321 @Max Quinn "people to this day can chose rather or not to convert to one or the other" Funny, try as I might I just canât stop being heterosexual. I mean, who wouldnât want to double their chances? Unfortunately, it's just not in the cards for me, I just canât change what Iâm attracted to.
 @Max Quinn What nonsense is this? what you don't seem to understand under the gay to straight conversion is being gay is not a scientifically proven fact and people to this day can chose rather or not to convert to one or the other and if you find this offensive, then I do indeed pity the likes of you for you are only stuck on but one mind set. Further more it is only recently the question has been fare raised. Oh and in the 60's there was even Commercials on this..at any rate, Rome Fell from with in not from an out side force attacking it. and people could argue the same for Pedophiles and others if they were so inclined to do so. Who knows, there might be a genetic trace to those that commit rape on children. there never has been a study on that one, Only so called study in the gay community because it is of more political upstanding, besides if such a study was found and pedophiles were that way in genetic form, then we would have a mess on hand, now wouldn't we?
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and as for you link to Flat Earth society, it plainly states:
(20 February 2012) - It's official!  The Flat Earth Society has inherited a massive archive of materials from former FES president Samuel Shenton!  Books, letters, newspaper articles, manuscripts, posters.. it's an amazing collection courtesy of the Science Fiction Foundation at the University of Liverpool. Key words being " Science Fiction Foundation"
If you were duped into believing this, then you are the one who is wearing the Gesture's Garb.
 @lee986321 Here's a link to a site that proves men have never been to the moon: http://moonmovie.com/moonmovie/default.asp
Here's a link to the Flat Earth society. They prove that the Earth is not round: http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
This link proves that the Earth is hollow: http://www.hollowearththeory.com/
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You can find a lot of stuff on the web!
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The current leader of this movement is Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D., director of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. A lifelong heterosexual, Nicolosi makes no pretense of hiding his biases. "Nature made man complementary to woman, and to cling to the sameness of one's own sex is to look at the world with one eye," he writes in his book Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Jason Aronson, 1991). "I do not believe that any man can ever be truly at peace in living out a homosexual orientation." To Nicolosi and his followers, gay male sexuality stems directly from a poor relationship between a boy and his father. If a father isn't a strong influence on the family, and if he doesn't provide emotional support and physical affection, then the child won't learn to identify with adult men. As he grows older, the boy will start looking for the maleness he never acquired, and his search will take on sexual overtones. "People are gendered. We are naturally gendered into male and female. So the male homosexual is trying to find his unfulfilled masculinity," Nicolosi declares. "His homosexual attractions are a symptom of his desire to find his masculine identification and same-sex emotional needs."
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http://www.barryyeoman.com/articles/gaynomore.html
 @Max Quinn SIMMONS' IS ONE OF THE REAL-LIFE STORIES behind the "ex-gay" movement, a loose alliance of secular counselors, renegade psychoanalysts and Christian ministries that believe homosexuality is a pathology that can be overcome. Though no statistics exist on the number of men and women who have tried to change their orientations, Exodus International, the Christian ex-gay umbrella organization, estimates it has fielded 200,000 inquiries from homosexuals and their families since the 1970s, according to director Bob Davies. Exodus and its member ministries now draw more than 400 inquiries a month. Operating quietly for many years, the movement suddenly burst into notoriety last summer, when 15 conservative organizations began a $400,000 advertising blitz in the New York Times, the Washington Post, USA Today and other major newspapers. The ads feature photos of men and women who have struggled with same-sex attraction and have a text that reads, "Thousands of ex-gays like these have walked away from their homosexual identities. While the paths each took into homosexuality may vary, their stories of hope and healing through the transforming love of Jesus Christ are the same." The ads have spearked of controversy, with lesbian and gay activists accusing the sponsors, including the Christian Coalition, of exploiting sexually confused individuals to promote an ideological agenda. It has been a made-for-media issue, and the press has focused on the political debate.
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 @Max Quinn oh and the reason some do not is because some that have changed have been threaten, beat up, or other wise intimidated to remain gay.
 @Max Quinn if you are speaking on the one where theere will be a lawsuit, then your quite wrong, my dear fiend, you can call BS on what ever, the fact remains that if some one wants help they can get it. the truth is people can change.
 @JTesla  @lee986321 the teen girl, yeah I added that one.
 @lee986321 Don't have to. Read it all before and it's still Bu115hit.
atm Medications are causing my eyes to blur in and out.. so having a hard time with everying, having to maginfiy screen 10x
Paul Martin said the message of Exodus ministry, "...stems from the idea that homosexuality stems from a childhood love-deficit, that you weren't loved enough by your father and so crave love from men, or that you were sexually abused; basically that homosexuality comes from a bad place, that homosexuals are damaged people, and that Exodus will heal your brokenness...Ex-gay ministries [like Exodus] see homosexuality as a sin, as something that is evil, and a disorder that can be cured.â Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/313527#ixzz285AGxhLt
@lee986321 One of these posts is not like the others, can you tell which one?
A 15-year-old from Columbus, Indiana, has started her high schoolâs first gay-straight alliance, after seeing her gay friends being bullied for years
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/09/25/us-high-school-student-starts-gay-straight-alliance/
The real heart of the matter is that the LGBT community is very scared of this as it destroys a theory.People should and always have a choice. and if they want out of the LGBT ideal then it is there God Given right.to get the help hey need or want.
I am conservative, and I think this is silly. Conversion therapy for teens who are gay? That's like conversion therapy for someone of a different race, you are who you are and all the therapy in the world isn't going to change it. Parents need to get a grip. Love your children for who they are.
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I am more concerned about Gov. Brown allowing parents to sign waivers and let their unimmunized children attend school. Have you noticed an increase in pertussis/whooping cough? Likely from unimmunized children infecting others around them. Are things like polio, measles, mumps....are they going to make a come back.
So then conservative parents will have their kids go to "Summer Camp" when they get the "therapy" they need for their "condition".
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This only means these practitioners will move to the Nevada desert and start programs there.
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I am not sure exactly what is involved in this "conversion therapy" but here's what I think: If the counselor has made it very clear they use Bible-based counseling and prayer, the patient can opt for another practitioner. If conversion therapy is just Bible-based counseling and prayer, this bill has infringed on people's right to the free practice of their religion.
@theprodigal  The 'patient' in question is a minor and cannot choose another practitioner. This law prevents this type of therapy on minors. Anyone over 18 can choose to have conversion thereapy if he/she chooses. This does not interfere with people's right to practice their religion.  It interferes with religious child abuse.
@oh4FS Did you not notice I stated "If conversion therapy is just Bible-based counseling and prayer . . ."Â Indeed, if that is all conversion therapy is, then free practice of religion has been denied.
Ya but it worked on haggert right ??? D'OH !
Dang Nanny State! It's just like when the government made companies take the lead out of gasoline because some scientist somewhere said lead is bad for kids. I say let the free market decide. If conversion therapy is really harmful, suicides will spike, and the therapists will lose customers and go out of business.
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Besides, conversion therapy worked for Michelle Bachmann's husband (pretty much).
This bill simply outlaws a certain form of (medical) quackery from being practiced on those eighteen and younger. It is a step in the right direction.