Big gaps in Romney plan on pre-existing conditions

WASHINGTON (AP) - Mitt Romney's plan to help people with pre-existing medical conditions: hang on to your health insurance if you want to be protected.
The GOP presidential candidate wants to help those who maintain continuous coverage, a fraction of a much bigger group of people at risk of getting turned down because of medical problems.
Here's the catch: If you had a significant break in coverage, an insurer still could delve into your health care record, looking for anything - from a bad back to high blood pressure - that foreshadows future claims. They'd be able to turn you down.
That's a contrast to President Barack Obama's health care law, which guarantees that people in poor health can get comprehensive coverage at the same rates everybody else pays, and provides government subsidies to help low- to middle-income households pay premiums.
Starting Jan. 1, 2014, an insurer "may not impose any pre-existing condition exclusion," the law says.
Romney is stressing his pre-existing conditions plan as he works to soften his public image in the homestretch of a campaign that has tightened since his strong debate performance versus Obama.
"I do have a plan that deals with people with pre-existing conditions," he said during last week's debate.
The Romney campaign has not spelled out details other than it would help those who have maintained continuous coverage. That would entail incremental changes to insurance laws and regulations, and may or may not whittle down the number of uninsured, 49 million nationally.
"It will solve some of the problems," said health economist Gail Wilensky, a longtime adviser to Republicans. "It won't solve the problem of people having gone for a long time without health insurance."
That's because many people aren't able to keep up continuous coverage. Losing health insurance is often connected to major life upheavals like job loss or divorce that drain household budgets. More than 70 percent of the uninsured have been without coverage for a year or longer, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Obama's answer - it's the law of the land unless repealed - is more like hitting the reset button. About 30 million uninsured people would gain coverage as the U.S. moves closer to other economically advanced countries that provide health care for all citizens.
The differences between Obama and Romney reflect a fundamental disagreement about the role of government in dealing with the nation's health care woes: high costs, uneven quality, widespread waste and millions uninsured.
Republicans are looking to individual initiative and private-sector solutions that government can encourage. Under Obama, government has taken the lead, framing a grand bargain in which insurance companies will have to accept all applicants in exchange for a requirement that virtually all Americans carry coverage.
Currently about 13 percent of people age 64 and younger who apply for an individual policy are turned away for medical reasons, according to insurance industry statistics. In 2008, that amounted to more than 220,000 individuals. The denial rate rises to nearly 25 percent for people age 50 to 64.
While Republicans are united in their desire to repeal Obama's law, there is no consensus within the party on how or whether to replace it.
Romney addressed what he'd do about pre-existing conditions in a recent column for The New England Journal of Medicine. "Regulation must prevent insurers from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage," he wrote.
But most Americans already enjoy such protection under a 1996 law signed by President Bill Clinton. It works fairly seamlessly for people who switch from one job-based plan to another.
It's harder for people switching from job-based coverage to an individual plan. They first have to exhaust a coverage option known as COBRA, which allows people with job-based insurance to keep their health plan for up to 18 months after leaving the company, provided they pay the full premium. Many can't afford that.
And there's no federal protection against being turned down for a pre-existing condition if you are trying to switch from one individual plan to another.
Romney could plug those two gaps, making it easier for people to switch from job-based to individual coverage and among individual plans. His campaign has not specified how.
In his journal article, Romney also proposed to allow all consumers who purchase coverage individually to deduct the cost from their income taxes, and he expressed support for purchasing pools and for allowing insurers to sell across state lines.
His campaign says states will have the flexibility and resources to design programs for residents who cannot afford coverage on their own.
Individual insurance market expert Karen Pollitz, who served in the Obama administration as a consumer protection regulator, says the components of Romney's plan are unlikely to provide as comprehensive a guarantee as the president's Affordable Care Act.
"The ACA just says insurance companies can't discriminate against you, period," said Pollitz, now with the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. "If you've been uninsured, you can come into this market on Jan. 1, 2014, no questions asked."
The GOP presidential candidate wants to help those who maintain continuous coverage, a fraction of a much bigger group of people at risk of getting turned down because of medical problems.
Here's the catch: If you had a significant break in coverage, an insurer still could delve into your health care record, looking for anything - from a bad back to high blood pressure - that foreshadows future claims. They'd be able to turn you down.
That's a contrast to President Barack Obama's health care law, which guarantees that people in poor health can get comprehensive coverage at the same rates everybody else pays, and provides government subsidies to help low- to middle-income households pay premiums.
Starting Jan. 1, 2014, an insurer "may not impose any pre-existing condition exclusion," the law says.
Romney is stressing his pre-existing conditions plan as he works to soften his public image in the homestretch of a campaign that has tightened since his strong debate performance versus Obama.
"I do have a plan that deals with people with pre-existing conditions," he said during last week's debate.
The Romney campaign has not spelled out details other than it would help those who have maintained continuous coverage. That would entail incremental changes to insurance laws and regulations, and may or may not whittle down the number of uninsured, 49 million nationally.
"It will solve some of the problems," said health economist Gail Wilensky, a longtime adviser to Republicans. "It won't solve the problem of people having gone for a long time without health insurance."
That's because many people aren't able to keep up continuous coverage. Losing health insurance is often connected to major life upheavals like job loss or divorce that drain household budgets. More than 70 percent of the uninsured have been without coverage for a year or longer, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Obama's answer - it's the law of the land unless repealed - is more like hitting the reset button. About 30 million uninsured people would gain coverage as the U.S. moves closer to other economically advanced countries that provide health care for all citizens.
The differences between Obama and Romney reflect a fundamental disagreement about the role of government in dealing with the nation's health care woes: high costs, uneven quality, widespread waste and millions uninsured.
Republicans are looking to individual initiative and private-sector solutions that government can encourage. Under Obama, government has taken the lead, framing a grand bargain in which insurance companies will have to accept all applicants in exchange for a requirement that virtually all Americans carry coverage.
Currently about 13 percent of people age 64 and younger who apply for an individual policy are turned away for medical reasons, according to insurance industry statistics. In 2008, that amounted to more than 220,000 individuals. The denial rate rises to nearly 25 percent for people age 50 to 64.
While Republicans are united in their desire to repeal Obama's law, there is no consensus within the party on how or whether to replace it.
Romney addressed what he'd do about pre-existing conditions in a recent column for The New England Journal of Medicine. "Regulation must prevent insurers from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage," he wrote.
But most Americans already enjoy such protection under a 1996 law signed by President Bill Clinton. It works fairly seamlessly for people who switch from one job-based plan to another.
It's harder for people switching from job-based coverage to an individual plan. They first have to exhaust a coverage option known as COBRA, which allows people with job-based insurance to keep their health plan for up to 18 months after leaving the company, provided they pay the full premium. Many can't afford that.
And there's no federal protection against being turned down for a pre-existing condition if you are trying to switch from one individual plan to another.
Romney could plug those two gaps, making it easier for people to switch from job-based to individual coverage and among individual plans. His campaign has not specified how.
In his journal article, Romney also proposed to allow all consumers who purchase coverage individually to deduct the cost from their income taxes, and he expressed support for purchasing pools and for allowing insurers to sell across state lines.
His campaign says states will have the flexibility and resources to design programs for residents who cannot afford coverage on their own.
Individual insurance market expert Karen Pollitz, who served in the Obama administration as a consumer protection regulator, says the components of Romney's plan are unlikely to provide as comprehensive a guarantee as the president's Affordable Care Act.
"The ACA just says insurance companies can't discriminate against you, period," said Pollitz, now with the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. "If you've been uninsured, you can come into this market on Jan. 1, 2014, no questions asked."
Yea, we'll get right on that. Just as soon as you get to the bottom of these few 'gaps'. Where did all of our taxpayers money [hundreds of millions] go after Obama gave it to SOLYNDRA? Where did our money go that Obama gave to General Motors [BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars] who got paid off?, and when will they pay it back? Why did you [Obama] allow terrorists to kill our ambassador in Benghazi after you refused their repeated requests for additional protection from threats? And why did you [Obama] lie to the American public day after day telling us that the four Americans died because of a utube video when the state department and others [new] that it was a carefully planned and executed Muslim Terrorist attack specifically planned on the anniversary of the 911 attack on America?Â
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Ah, can you say village idiot ?? You know , the goofball you voted TWICE for !
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"Republicans, including Bush, emphasized the program's benefits for nuclear energy and biofuels. The president touted the new energy law in his 2007 State of the Union address. His energy secretary, Samuel Bodman, regularly mentioned the loan guarantees in speeches on renewable energy. The Energy Department issued its final rules for the program in 2007, along with a list of 16 companies that made the cut for to apply for its first round of awards, and Solyndra was among them.
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As for those horrible loans, they worked out much better than the village idiots cash cow to aig, goldman sachs and those thieves !
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"In our lengthy discussions about this claim, we considered everything from Mostly True to Mostly False. Weâre not weighing Obamaâs courage or the bailoutâs success. We can say the claim the current companies "repaid their loans" is accurate but leaves out important details and context. On the larger bailout, itâs too early to say how taxpayers will make out. This statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details. We rate the claim Half True."
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As for the four individuals from the state department that lost their lives. What about the republiCON house cutting state dept. security budget.
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"Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R) of Utah (left) and House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R) of California, both claim the Benghazi consulate sought more security before the deadly Sept. 11 Libya attack, voted to cut the State Department's embassy security budget."
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4 deaths vs. 2,753.......and I'm not even counting those that died in the village idiots wars !
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And where was YOUR outcry towards the village idiot and his incompetent inner circle when they failed and the US was hit by the worst terrorist attack in history.....
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Oh ya, we can't blame stupid for that afterall he was a republiCON !
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 @sargerator Yawn.......
Romney exposed Obama as a dimwit by telling LIES! If Romney would have worshipped Obama like the rest of us, then we'd only be a year away from massive middle class tax hikes due to obama-care.
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I'm so damned tired of working people trying to keep all of their paychecks for themselves. We deserve more than free phones, free housing, free food, free medical care, and free electricity.
We liberal hate this country for good reason - we aren't getting enough free stuff from other people's labor.
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We should go destroy some parks in protest!
What gaps....he has all the bases covered. Â Are you for it....I am too.....are you against it....I am too.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0TDVZCJb9U
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Oh I'm not too worried about it, there's not enough time to explain his plan but he has one.....just trust him.....Mitt is our savior......*snicker*
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You got that right B smizzle! Did you see how he talked to Obama-Jesus? He's obviously racist.
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I hate people who are successful. Almost none of them drive a prius or an outback, or wear a super-awesome beanie in 100 degree heat. So not cool at all.
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We are so hip here in P-town. How can people not see that? Obviously they're really dumb.
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We should organize a protest by duping old ladies out of their homes and squating in them.
Leftists unite!
 @Sam Adams Can you show me anywhere in my message that I backed Obama or a liberal point of view?  I am sorry if you don't like it when someone points out the FACT that Romney "has a plan" but can't tell us any details.  There are many things wrong with Obama too and that should go without saying.....look at the state of the nation!
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Sorry, wanting to know the plan is not left or right, it is wanting to know how his plan will effect me!  You want my vote, tell me your plan.....common sense tells you the reason why he won't tell us is eitherÂ
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2. His plan is so bad for the middle class he does not want to lose their votes so he will wait until elected to show you how bad he is going to screw you over!
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My guess, and Romney would not answer when asked, is they will do away with home mortgage, property tax and state/sales tax deductions and add what your employer pays for your healthcare to your gross wages.....then they can cut your "tax rate" by 20% but increase your taxable income by 10-15k a year!  Simply put, even if Mitt were to cut all loopholes and deductions the tax policy center has said it STILL would not make the 20% tax cut revenue neutral!  Keep in mind when the tax policy center said this, Mitt (like most republicans) said this was a skewed idea by a liberal establishment.  Yet in during the republican primaries when the tax policy center went after Rick Perry, Romney used their numbers and called them independent and a good source of information.....*snicker*
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And the fact that anyone would vote for someone to become president without knowing the details of his plan to get the country and economy moving again is just plain not thinking!  Well that and the fact he will kneel and bob in front of Bibi and do anything he asks!
Bottom line, folks, is we really don't have ANYONE to vote for next month who is truly qualified ~ or motivated ~ to lead our country out of its present situation and back towards prosperity. Â Â The Repubs and Dems are all bought-and-paid-for... by different interests, probably, but both will be looking first to pay back those special interests. Â Â Â It's really a matter of which "poison" we want to choose... Â Â
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What is really sad is that people who really COULD lead us, and would hold the interests of the whole country as their first and foremost priority, are too smart to get involved in politics... and way too HONEST to ever get elected..! Â Â Â
 @margay1 We had Ron Paul, but yeah, there is no one left.
As always, The Onion has the inside story on the campaign: http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-proudly-explains-how-hes-turned-campaign-ar,29845/
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"...Romney has pulled even with President Obama, and the former Massachusetts governor credits his rejuvenated campaign to one, singular tactic: lying a lot."
 @Max Quinn Oh yes because Obama and his minions are so honest that even left leaning journalist could not continue to ignore the lies and had to pin them down own their false claims. Take off the blinders and look around once in awhile it may open you up to reality...
We know it hurts, we want tyo help you but you must want to be helped first !
Are you talking into the mirror ? Do you hear your own irony ???
isn't that pube speak rocko? I mean you are talking about yourself aren't you. That's the way of the pube. Â
 @sargerator No as an independent what hurts and is hard to understand is why so many idiots pick a side, either side, and stick with it no matter what happens around them and are so blinded by their ideology that they could not see the truth even if it it smacks them in the forehead.
false claims? did you read the story? I'd swear it's about robme's empty promises but I could be wrong, it could be about any pube.
 @swimmer Sorry but I can't take anything seriously from someone who can't complete a sentence without the word PUBE in it...Maybe grow up and come back to the site in a few years...
In other words, Romney was, is, and always will be a lying POS.
 @criticalreason Just like Obama.
Obamacare will bankrupt the country.
Ya, just cause the congressional budget office says it will save money in the next 4 years, I'd rather believe the talking heads at fauxe nooze , like you do ....yammer, yammer, yammer !! Oh my, and did you hear on hanity, our prez might be...no hold it...he IS a facist-socialist-stalinist-communist muslim
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The republiCON health care plan.....
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This AP article reads like it was written by the Obama campaign...which is going up in flames.
Some just need to vote for a white guy, even if he states he's gonna finish what the village idiot started !
finish of the middle class, that is !
 @sargerator Right....if you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist...Got it, Thanks.
 @Civ  @sargerator "He has dug this country into a hole with more debt that all other presidents combined. "
Actually this country was already in a hole, Obama has just continued to dig and so will Romney. Â
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You also fail to realize BOTH parties have been in charge so they both are equally to blame for the deficit spending of the past and present! Â Neither party deserves our votes and history proves that. Â The easiest way to send them a clear message is for everyone who is outraged and has had enough to not vote for any candidate that has a D or R behind their name! Â
"He has dug this country into a hole with more debt that all other presidents combined."
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Ok, just to take one of YOUR stated "facts" tha you have pulled from deep within your rear !
Total debt JAn. 2009 10.6 trillion....Total debt now , 16 trillion...
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You AND robdme both couldn't finish a 2nd grade math quiz !
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@sargerator I really dont care if he is black, blue , red, green or violet. The Obaminator is a failure that was elected on false promises and lies.
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He has dug this country into a hole with more debt that all other presidents combined. Â
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Go on and keep telling yourself he is the best thing since sliced bread . The rest of us out there know who and what we are voting for. Less government, less taxes and free enterprise ( Not like GM and Chrysler who were bailed out when they should have gone under like any othe business, Now Chrysler is owned by an Italian Co. so who is sending our money overseas????)
 @sargerator Ha ha usually I reserve my laugh of the day comment for something witty but your line of "If the black guy has slowly gotten us back on our feet" just trumped anything anybody else could possibly come up with today! You are truly hilarious!
If the black guy has slowly gotten us back on our feet,(afterall it took 8 years of village idiotism to get us there and obama can't fix it in less than 4...jeeeeze, what a looser) taking us from thhe brink of a catastrophic deppression....has gotten us just about out of iraq and soon aphfganistan and is letting trade sanctions take care of the iran problem (which it is)
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The white guy wants to double down on trickle down economics (and we see where thats gotten us)....Let the wealthy even pay less, sink medicare and social security....deregulate wall street, cause thats what was wrong, too many regs (sarcasm for the sarcasm impared)Â And beat the wars drums for other peoples sons (he defered to france and none of his 5 boyz ever served) to march on to do the corporate wars in iran and syria !!
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Ya ! then YOU'RE not racist....ya....really ....ya....so we call you craig t. nelson ??
You sound as though you don't read or watch anything but what is put out by Fox news. Obama campaign up in flames? Obama did, in fact, get blindsided by one of many Romney impersonators. There are so many of them that no one knows which one, if any, is real. Romney backed down from every position he has ever held. He and Ryan will be called out on their changing positions and changing "facts" in the future.
 @Mechanic "There are so many of them that no one knows which one, if any, is real."
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 @Mechanic HA! If I didn't read or watch anything but Fox, I wouldn't be here now would I? So predictable.
 @FreedomRocks  @criticalreason  @sargerator "I don't care if I give all my freedoms and rights away to the left just give me my free stufff "
Funny.....the Republicans let Bush flush the 1st and 4th amendments down the toilet and they didn't even get a friggen phone for their troubles!  I thought they were supposed to be the smart ones!
 @criticalreason  @sargerator Wah wah those mean republicans, wah wah I want my free stuff!!! wah wah... I don't care if I give all my freedoms and rights away to the left just give me my free stufff wah wah...
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I think Romneys left pinkie finger has more ethics and morals then Obama and all the people he put in power and the longer he is in office the more evidence there is to support that.
 @sargerator Haha!!!!!!! Brilliant. I hadn't seen that. SO right on. Idiot republicans.
This is you, right .....right ! HA !
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The Romney Health Care Plan? If you can't afford the good health insurance, call your Mormon Bishop, have him and some brethren come over with holy oil to give you a blessing, and if that doesn't work, then your faith in god isn't strong enough.
This article is a joke, poorly written and very poorly researched!
 @franksbeans Propaganda from the lefts largest supporters after the unions our wonderful media!
Under the Romney plan, if you are over 50 and under 65 and have ever had so much as a head cold...you are F'd.
What a biased article!
It uses facts and logic to evaluate Willard's statements about his plan for pre-existing conditions. How is that fair? He has stated unequivocally that his plan takes care of such people. If we accept him at his word, then there's no problem. But, this article has to go digging into the details to see if the plan matches reality - that's almost the definition of liberalism!
 @Max Quinn Don't you have to pass his plan to find out what's in it like the real liberals do?
 @FreedomRocks What?
 @FreedomRocks  @Max Quinn So the House has been flush with sanity since January 2011? That's probably why it's gotten so much accomplished...
 @Max Quinn Actually the idiot was in charge until 2010 when some of the other people started to wake up and put some sanity back into the house.
 @Max Quinn You know like the wonderful leader of our House from 2004-2008 said about Obama care when no one had time to read it before voting on it.
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Wow do you never watch any news that is not left biased?
@Max Quinn Fact is, Obama's "plan" was poorly planned. It will bankrupt the US, and like any other federally run program, is doomed from the start. Where is the media asking him the tough questions? His answer to the butt_whooping he got is that "Romney is a liar, big fat liar, pants on fire"....sounds like kids on the playground. And look at how many people on this thread are REPEATING the left talking points, calling names.  Romney called out Obama, and Obama choked, plain and simple.  But the people on the left will follow him right over the cliff, illustrating the dumbing down of America, by a guy who had no experience coming into office, but knows everything about everything. Â
 @Kachina  @Max Shhh if the media asked their token dictator a tough question it would expose how really really qualified he is to be president.
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It always amazes me the loons on this site that scream liar liar about Romney when the guy in office lied about 98% of what he would do for us and has done the opposite of most of his promises but they are so dug in to their beliefs they can't even see it.
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Kinda reminds me of the religious fanatics who kill people for not believing like they do even though they can't be prove there way is right.
 @Kachina  @Max The article isn't about Obama's debate performance - which was terrible.
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It's about people with pre-existing conditions getting insurance coverage. Governor Romney's plan does not offer protection for people with such conditions (unless they already have insurance and don't lose it). Yet, Romney claimed that pre-existing conditions are covered in his plan. They are not.
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And if Obamacare is going to bankrupt the country, you better let the CBO know - they say it will reduce the deficit.
And you're here to save us from the CBO, ya right, now moms calling you from the kitchen, your pizzas ready !
@Max Quinn @Max The CBO can't keep their numbers straight, but it would be hard with a law that required 2700 pages of details. Pre-existing conditions have NEVER had protection, they require a waiting period. But now, Obama has convinced everyone that this is essentially a basic right. The insurance companies will waive it, but it will no doubt be very costly to the consumer. I'm not sure anything has been gained.Â
Absolutely. Republicans would have us live in the fact free zone they have created for themselves.
 @Max Quinn  "If we accept him at his word, then there's no problem."  With that statement, you have hit the nail on the head.  Can we take him for his word.  He has flip-flopped so many times, pandering to his audience; can we take him at his word?Â
Flip-flopping isn't the half of it. He has flat LIED so many times it would be laughable if he had no chance of becoming President. "I filed my taxes as a Massachusetts resident, trust me," he said when running for Governor. Oops. Maybe Utah, where the taxes are less? He keeps saying that if there is incorrect information in his ads, he corrects it. Yet he keeps running the ad with the lie that Obama eliminated the work requirement in Welfare. His very first ad was an out of context clip of Obama quoting John McCain. The ad was presented as if the words were Obama's.
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John Huntsman nailed it: Romney "is the perfectly lubricated weather vane."
 @Mechanic GIve me a break 90% of everything that came out of Obama for this and past election was a complete lie. Take the blinders off and look around...
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That IS the definition of liberalism to many.
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Fox spoke on the âWar on Christmasâ, but I think there is a real âWar on Scienceâ. Most of that is the idea that questioning everything is somehow anti-religion, anti-patriotic, and ant-American. The core of this is the notion that rational data is manipulation and that people should âgo with their gutâ. Well I have news for you, your gut is WRONG.
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As part of a series of studies I did to earn my mathematics degree, I took statistical data and applied to a number of anecdotal observations from even professionals. What I found, nearly all of them were wrong.
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Crime does not happen more or less on a full moon than not. The severity of crimes does not change significantly either. (This was believed by law enforcement)
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People do not die in any discernable numbers. Twoâs, threes, or more (as many as 10). There is no statistical significance to the grouping of celebrity deaths. (This has been quoted more than once by TMZ)
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Babies are not born by gender in any statistically significant way. No boy-girl-boy, no grouping of boys or girls (as few as three as many as five) and time of day of birth does not affect gender. (This was widely believed by area OB nurses)
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