Boy Scouts delay decision on admitting gays

IRVING, Texas (AP) - Faced with intense pressure from two flanks, the Boy Scouts of America said Wednesday it needed more time for consultations before deciding whether to move away from its divisive policy of excluding gays as scouts or adult leaders.
Possible changes in the policy - such as a proposal to allow sponsors of local troops to decide for themselves on gay membership - will not be voted on until the organization's annual meeting in May, the national executive board said at the conclusion of closed-door deliberations.
As the board met over three days at a hotel in Irving, near Dallas, it became clear that the proposed change would be unacceptable to large numbers of Scouting families and advocacy groups on the left and right. Gay-rights supporters said no Scout units should be allowed to exclude gays, while some conservatives, including religious leaders whose churches sponsor troops, warned of mass defections if the ban was eased.
"In the past two weeks, Scouting has received an outpouring of feedback from the American public," said the BSA's national spokesman, Deron Smith. "It reinforces how deeply people care about Scouting and how passionate they are about the organization."
Smith said the executive board "concluded that due to the complexity of this issue, the organization needs time for a more deliberate review of its membership policy." The board will prepare a resolution to be voted on by the 1,400 voting members of the national council at a meeting in Grapevine, Texas, he said.
The BSA announced last week it was considering allowing scout troops to decide whether to allow gay membership. That news placed a spotlight on the executive board meeting that began Monday in Irving, where the BSA headquarters is located, but the deliberations were closed to the news media and the public.
Early reaction to the delay from gay-rights supporters was harshly critical of the BSA.
"A Scout is supposed to be brave, and the Boy Scouts failed to be brave today," said Jennifer Tyrrell, a Ohio mother ousted from her post as a Cub Scout volunteer because she's a lesbian. "The Boy Scouts had the chance to help countless young people and devoted parents, but they've failed us yet again."
Brad Hankins, campaign director of Scouts for Equality, said the delay would have a direct impact on young men already in the scouting movement.
"By postponing this decision, thousands of currently active Scouts still remain uncertain about their future in the program and are shamed into silence. We understand that this change is a huge paradigm shift for some, but this isn't a religious issue. It's simply one of human morality, and that is something common to all faiths."
A handful of Scouts and leaders delivered petitions to the BSA headquarters on Monday in support of letting gay members join.
Shortly after the delay was announced, conservative supporters of the ban held a rally and prayer vigil Wednesday at the headquarters, carrying signs reading, "Don't Invite Sin Into the Camp," and "The only voice that matters is God!"
One protester, Maggie Wright, 67, from Burleson, said she was disappointed that the movement didn't decide straight away to maintain the ban. She said she has two grandsons who are active in the scouting movement, one aged 11 and a 20-year-old Eagle Scout, and that she is concerned about homosexuals teaching the young men.
"We're not condoning or hating," she added.
President Barack Obama, an opponent of the policy, and Texas Gov. Rick Perry, an Eagle Scout who supports it, both have weighed in.
"My attitude is that gays and lesbians should have access and opportunity the same way everybody else does in every institution and walk of life," said Obama, who as U.S. president is the honorary president of BSA, in a Sunday interview with CBS.
Perry, the author of the book "On My Honor: Why the American Values of the Boy Scouts Are Worth Fighting For," said in a speech Saturday that "to have popular culture impact 100 years of their standards is inappropriate."
The board faces several choices, none of which is likely to quell the controversy. Standing pat would go against the public wishes of two high-profile board members - Ernst & Young CEO James Turley and AT&T Inc. CEO Randall Stephenson - who run companies with nondiscrimination policies and have said they would work from within to change the Scouts' policy.
Conservatives have warned of mass defections if Scouting allows gay membership to be determined by troops. Local and regional leaders, as well as the leadership of churches that sponsor troops, would be forced to consider their own policies. And policy opponents who delivered four boxes of signatures to BSA headquarters Monday said they wouldn't be satisfied by only a partial acceptance of gay scouts and leaders.
"We don't want to see Scouting gerrymandered into blue and red districts," said Brad Hankins, campaign director of Scouts for Equality.
Possible changes in the policy - such as a proposal to allow sponsors of local troops to decide for themselves on gay membership - will not be voted on until the organization's annual meeting in May, the national executive board said at the conclusion of closed-door deliberations.
As the board met over three days at a hotel in Irving, near Dallas, it became clear that the proposed change would be unacceptable to large numbers of Scouting families and advocacy groups on the left and right. Gay-rights supporters said no Scout units should be allowed to exclude gays, while some conservatives, including religious leaders whose churches sponsor troops, warned of mass defections if the ban was eased.
"In the past two weeks, Scouting has received an outpouring of feedback from the American public," said the BSA's national spokesman, Deron Smith. "It reinforces how deeply people care about Scouting and how passionate they are about the organization."
Smith said the executive board "concluded that due to the complexity of this issue, the organization needs time for a more deliberate review of its membership policy." The board will prepare a resolution to be voted on by the 1,400 voting members of the national council at a meeting in Grapevine, Texas, he said.
The BSA announced last week it was considering allowing scout troops to decide whether to allow gay membership. That news placed a spotlight on the executive board meeting that began Monday in Irving, where the BSA headquarters is located, but the deliberations were closed to the news media and the public.
Early reaction to the delay from gay-rights supporters was harshly critical of the BSA.
"A Scout is supposed to be brave, and the Boy Scouts failed to be brave today," said Jennifer Tyrrell, a Ohio mother ousted from her post as a Cub Scout volunteer because she's a lesbian. "The Boy Scouts had the chance to help countless young people and devoted parents, but they've failed us yet again."
Brad Hankins, campaign director of Scouts for Equality, said the delay would have a direct impact on young men already in the scouting movement.
"By postponing this decision, thousands of currently active Scouts still remain uncertain about their future in the program and are shamed into silence. We understand that this change is a huge paradigm shift for some, but this isn't a religious issue. It's simply one of human morality, and that is something common to all faiths."
A handful of Scouts and leaders delivered petitions to the BSA headquarters on Monday in support of letting gay members join.
Shortly after the delay was announced, conservative supporters of the ban held a rally and prayer vigil Wednesday at the headquarters, carrying signs reading, "Don't Invite Sin Into the Camp," and "The only voice that matters is God!"
One protester, Maggie Wright, 67, from Burleson, said she was disappointed that the movement didn't decide straight away to maintain the ban. She said she has two grandsons who are active in the scouting movement, one aged 11 and a 20-year-old Eagle Scout, and that she is concerned about homosexuals teaching the young men.
"We're not condoning or hating," she added.
President Barack Obama, an opponent of the policy, and Texas Gov. Rick Perry, an Eagle Scout who supports it, both have weighed in.
"My attitude is that gays and lesbians should have access and opportunity the same way everybody else does in every institution and walk of life," said Obama, who as U.S. president is the honorary president of BSA, in a Sunday interview with CBS.
Perry, the author of the book "On My Honor: Why the American Values of the Boy Scouts Are Worth Fighting For," said in a speech Saturday that "to have popular culture impact 100 years of their standards is inappropriate."
The board faces several choices, none of which is likely to quell the controversy. Standing pat would go against the public wishes of two high-profile board members - Ernst & Young CEO James Turley and AT&T Inc. CEO Randall Stephenson - who run companies with nondiscrimination policies and have said they would work from within to change the Scouts' policy.
Conservatives have warned of mass defections if Scouting allows gay membership to be determined by troops. Local and regional leaders, as well as the leadership of churches that sponsor troops, would be forced to consider their own policies. And policy opponents who delivered four boxes of signatures to BSA headquarters Monday said they wouldn't be satisfied by only a partial acceptance of gay scouts and leaders.
"We don't want to see Scouting gerrymandered into blue and red districts," said Brad Hankins, campaign director of Scouts for Equality.
Is the Boy Scouts a religious, public or private organization?
People CAN be morally straight without being straight.
People CAN believe in God without being straight.
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Sounds like it's just a bunch of religious bigots trying to keep themselves "pure".
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Which is what they will do. Because then the LOCAL chapters will either have to allow or shutdown, if they refuse to allow membership, the gays will SUE them and thus, the BSA keeps their revenue,.
will they let straights in the Gay Scouts?
That isn't very brave.Â
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It is really great that the Boy Scouts teach that Americans selectively support the American values of Equality for All and create a culture that inspires and educates future bigots.
Next we'll force the Masons to allow women into their ranks,
@John Wilks Who is we, and what force is that "we" using?
guess they will have to start camping on broke back mnt
If no one knows what "Royal Rangers" are , Google it. and I Loved the black powder shooting contests and ax throwing contests....at....15 years old. yup you heard right we fired muskets and guns and threw axes...
We also did a lot of community work, and did a lot of other things like the scouts.
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 @TheUglyTruth Agreed it seems that there is a difference between equal rights and then being raped into submission by special interest groups.
 @lee986321 Those are some ugly words there. The only special interest groups that did any raping within the BS of America, were Scout Leaders who raped boys, and then were protected by either the Mormon Church or the BS of America
well, the way I see it, mass exits would force the scouts out of business.and then what? There is always the "Royal Rangers" and they do not budge matters of this sort.
The ONLY way this might not be an absolute nightmare - for Scout officials and parents both - is to require absolutely honesty from the leaders, and make them required to inform parents. Then the PARENTS could choose whether or not to place their child in that troop. relieving the Scouts of some liability [they did warn] - and likely making it clear within a short amount of time whether or not those troops were even viable.
This is just another Scout witch hunt.
Scouts is one of the few remaining strongholds for those who desire to impart true character and leadership qualities to their sons and sometimes, even those who don't have their own fathers active in Scouts.
They allow gays in, officially, it will be a short amount of time before a new rise in claims of molestation come along... and that's their entire purpose - to destroy Scouting.
@starshadow I take offense to this because it insinuates that gays lack true character and leadership qualities. I also take offense that you seem to think that each and every gay person molests children.
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You really need to get out more often.... I certainly do not and I am insulted that you would accuse me so. I too can make generalizations concerning christians and their attitudes. Do you think this would help the issue?
 @starshadow Hmmm, the BS of America. Actually, my dad had spent over 3 decades involved with the organization, and I will vouch that it does have some particularly useful tools. With that said, imparting true character, to me, implies that everyone should have equal opportunity to partake in the program if they so choose to do so. I don't think that allowing gays to participate in the scouting program will lead to a new rise in claims of molestation. A lot of those claims are from decades ago, by the way. And let's be honest, straight, gay, bisexual, tri-sexual, purple, blue or polka-dot, I think it's unwise for one scout leader to be one-on-one with any scout, when I was growing up, there were always multiple scouts around, and in most cases, multiple scout leaders, with no one-on-one alone time.
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 @starshadow The large majority of child molesters go after female victims, so suggesting being gay equates to being a child molester just shows your ignorance.Â
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If the Boy Scouts organization wants to protect itself from sex offenders, the solution is easy: Never allow any adult to be alone with any child at any time. For the safety of the organization and the participants, every scouting activity should be supervised by two or more adults. This protects kids from predators and protects adults from false accusations. Â
@starshadow Yeah, because the scouts didn't have a problem with molestation when they kept the gays out.
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It wasn't the molestation that they considered a problem. The biggest problem the Boy Scouts confronted was identifying ways to conceal the truth and avoid pubic scrutiny while promoting an anti-gay agenda and acculturating each new generation into a world view that "Equality for All" is a joke.
Once you go grey, you'll always go gay.
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@myopinion240 I'm calling BS.
@JTesla  Check out their website. It's very interesting.
@JTesla I deleted my privious statement, because it quite frankly made me ill. It( NAMBLA)Â is a legitimate website and organization. One that the gay community has tried to sweep under the rug.
@myopinion240 1) I have doubts as to it being a legitimate website 2) No. I won't visit it, even out of curiosity, or to try to verify it's authenticity. I'll just take your word for it. 3) The premise that this sick indidual puts forth, or the prankster, is based on his opinion and not facts or scientific findings.
why not start their own scouts. why would anyone want to join something they are not wanted in anyway.
 @LostSoulBecause BS of America is old enough, it's practically an insitution, plus, it would be incredibly difficult to try to create a separate organization on a nationwide basis, to be similar, without infringing on the BS's proprietary aspects.
Truth is, gays have been in the Boy Scouts since the beginning, just as they've always existed in every sphere of society. The Boy Scouts should focus on their values of being trustworthy, loyal, helpful, etc., rather than who someone chooses as a life partner. I've known gay partnerships that have lasted decades longer than hetero marriages, so obviously being straight doesn't make someone loyal, kind, etc. Geez, get over it.
 @StealthActivist If a gay is in Scouts at this time despite the prohibition, then they are NOT of acceptable character to be a Scout in the first place; they clearly lack the primary value requirements.
 @starshadow I'm still waiting for your "primary value requirements".
Without knowing a person, you judge their value. Does holding a bible in your hand give you the right to make such judgements? What are your qualifications to do so?
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I would not get too comfortable planting your buttocks on god's throne of judgement. He needs it back as that is his job.
 @starshadow Please enlighten me on the "primary value requirements".
 @starshadow  @StealthActivist  My bad. I didn't realize bigotry was a core value of the Boy Scouts.
Why not start a new scouting group for gays only? They could do what they wish without any possible feelings of animosity from the non gay members. Wouldn't it feel more comfortable for everyone involved?
 @Pointblank  Jim Crow-style segregation? Really? Gays "doing what they wish" while engaged in scouting activities means just that, scouting activities. If non-gay members feel animosity toward gays, they they're not living up to the values of the Boy Scouts and probably shouldn't be there anyway.
 @StealthActivist Unfortunately, You cannot change the way that some people feel. I was simply making a suggestion that might work for both groups. I was not being derogatory toward gays or non gays.
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According to the bible, Jesus did not practice hatred, or have a habit of trying to exclude people from the fold.
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Quite true, he went around forgiving others of their sins and told them "Go and sin no more"
 @JTesla I tried reading it, but you can't make sense out of non-sense. And I have yet to see anything in the bible that says 1-man + 1-woman. The only thing remotely close that I've seen is when populations are dwindling, and they are talking about not casting away the "seed" because, well, they need men to use their seed to make babies with women. Other than that context, there's no mention of it.
 @lee986321 Hmmm, let's take a look at Jesus' actions, shall we? He preached, love thy neighbor, and let's not forget Mary Magdalene. According to the bible, Jesus did not practice hatred, or have a habit of trying to exclude people from the fold. In my world, actions speak louder than words, and the actions of Jesus says a lot more to me than the written words of man.
@lee986321 That's our Lee!
 @pdxd  @StealthActivist You are so wrong on so many accounts
Since Jesus approved of His Fatherâs plan [i.e., one man, one woman, one flesh,] could we correctly say that Jesus condemned homosexuality? 2. âFor if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?â (John 5:46-47.) Questions: What law was Jesus born under? What law did He live under? Answer: The Law of Moses (cf. Gal. 4:4.) Did Jesus endorse and follow the Law of Moses? What did the Law of Moses say about homosexuality? (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Deut. 23:17.) Consider: Since Jesus was born and lived under the Law of Moses, and since He endorsed the Law of Moses, and since the Law of Moses explicitly condemned homosexuality, then could we correctly say that Jesus also condemned it? 3. âI still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for he will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to youâ (John 16:12-15.)
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What did the apostle Paul [by Christâs authority] say about the practice of homosexuality? (Rom. 1:26-27; 1 Cor. 6:9-10.
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the only way to be accepted is by choosing to leave the life style.
and yes, you have a choice. But then you have been given over to a reprobate mind.
 @StealthActivist I agree. I'm reactive to the topic as well, and I'm also reactive to the thought that people are able to use contributions to organizations or churches that practice exclusion rather than inclusion as tax-deductions. And let's be honest, BS of America is said to be an organization that has a strong faith in Christ, and I think Christ would be disappointed in the exclusion of girls, gays, or anyone else that BS of America doesn't want in their group.
 @Pointblank Sorry. Having gay family members makes me a bit reactive in this area. I just think the best solution for the Boy Scouts is tolerance of others' differences.
Gay leaders are fine, as long as they stay in the closet and/or tents. What hypocrites using religion as an excuse for bigotry.
@david_42 Wait... what?