Condom conundrum: Porn industry ponders latex law
LOS ANGELES (AP) - The show must go on, is the entertainer's credo, and it did just that in the nation's Porn Capital even after Los Angeles County voted to require performers to use condoms when filming sex scenes.
One of the industry's biggest stars, James Deen, reported for work, condom-free as usual, just hours after voters adopted the new law.
During a break in the action Thursday, however, Deen raised the same questions on the mind of everyone in LA's billion-dollar-plus porn industry: Can a planned court challenge get the new law tossed out before it is even implemented? Or, perhaps this time next year, will he be making films like "Atomic Vixens" and "Asian Fever Sex Objects" in some place like Las Vegas or Florida?
The law, listed on the ballot as Measure B, was passed by 56 percent of voters Tuesday. It won't take effect until election results are certified, which likely will be several more days. It could take months longer before county health officials decide how to enforce it and whether they must begin dispatching prophylactic police officers to keep a close eye on actors.
The Department of Public Health issued a terse statement with no timetable for developing an enforcement plan. There was no hint of whether there would be surprise inspections or if public employees would be paid to watch porn flicks to see if actors were complying.
The nation's adult entertainment industry, which is believed to generate as much as $7 billion a year in revenue, according to the trade publication Adult Video News, vigorously opposed the new law. It argued it is unneeded because of safeguards that include monthly venereal disease checks for all working actors.
They also maintained it would be costly and difficult to enforce and could drive the business out of Los Angeles' sprawling San Fernando Valley, taking with it as many as 10,000 jobs, including actors, directors, film editors and crafts and makeup people.
The main problem, they say, is that fans don't want to see actors using condoms.
"The last time we attempted to go all condom, our industry lost sales by over 30 percent," said Deen. "That's a huge hit to our economy."
Deen, who has appeared in more than 1,000 hardcore films over the past nine years and estimates he's been in about 4,000 sex scenes, said he's never been infected with any disease and he gets tested every two weeks.
"I love condoms, I think they're great and the safest thing you can do in engaging in sexual intercourse with a stranger," he said, adding he uses them in his personal life but not onscreen.
Industry officials, meanwhile, say the last reported case of HIV linked directly to work was in 2004. Since then, they add, about 300,000 films have been made.
Michael Weinstein, the nonprofit AIDS Healthcare Foundation's founder and president, disputes those figures, saying there have been other, more recent HIV infections, not to mention numerous cases of gonorrhea, chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases.
Weinstein, whose group led a petition campaign to place the measure on the ballot, says he plans to take his campaign statewide.
In the meantime, he says implementing and enforcing the new law should be easy.
"This is no different than supervising restaurants or nail salons or barbershops," Weinstein said. "You fill out forms, you are granted a permit and, periodically, somebody goes out and does spot inspections."
Easy to implement or not, porn producers say the cost of paying for permits will likely be steep and the drop-off in sales could bankrupt them.
"Certainly this is the biggest threat that I've seen to the industry in a very, very long time," said Steven Hirsch, chief executive of Vivid Entertainment Group, one of the largest purveyors of porn films, including celebrity sex tapes and popular X-rated parodies of "Batman" and "Superman" films. "There have been obscenity prosecutions, but this is something on a whole different level."
Hirsch, who co-founded Vivid 28 years ago, said he is confident the industry will get the law overturned on the grounds it violates filmmakers' First Amendment rights of free expression.
If it isn't overturned, he said his company will simply move production out of Los Angeles County to survive.
Several people who attended an emergency meeting of the industry's advocacy group, the Free Speech Coalition, last week, said porn producers have already been in touch with officials in Las Vegas and parts of Florida. In some instances, they said, tax incentives have been offered to lure them.
Through a quirk in county law, the industry might even be able to pack up and move just a few miles down the freeway to Pasadena or Long Beach.
Those municipalities, although located in Los Angeles County, have their own health departments, and Pasadena said earlier this week it won't enforce the new law.
That would be just fine for many actors and directors, who say they don't really want to leave their home base.
"People forget that porn people are people too," said Kylie Ireland, a veteran actress and director who has appeared in such films as "Being Porn Again" and "Calipornication."
"They forget that we have families and we are married and we have kids and we have lives and jobs and hobbies just like everybody else."
One of the industry's biggest stars, James Deen, reported for work, condom-free as usual, just hours after voters adopted the new law.
During a break in the action Thursday, however, Deen raised the same questions on the mind of everyone in LA's billion-dollar-plus porn industry: Can a planned court challenge get the new law tossed out before it is even implemented? Or, perhaps this time next year, will he be making films like "Atomic Vixens" and "Asian Fever Sex Objects" in some place like Las Vegas or Florida?
The law, listed on the ballot as Measure B, was passed by 56 percent of voters Tuesday. It won't take effect until election results are certified, which likely will be several more days. It could take months longer before county health officials decide how to enforce it and whether they must begin dispatching prophylactic police officers to keep a close eye on actors.
The Department of Public Health issued a terse statement with no timetable for developing an enforcement plan. There was no hint of whether there would be surprise inspections or if public employees would be paid to watch porn flicks to see if actors were complying.
The nation's adult entertainment industry, which is believed to generate as much as $7 billion a year in revenue, according to the trade publication Adult Video News, vigorously opposed the new law. It argued it is unneeded because of safeguards that include monthly venereal disease checks for all working actors.
They also maintained it would be costly and difficult to enforce and could drive the business out of Los Angeles' sprawling San Fernando Valley, taking with it as many as 10,000 jobs, including actors, directors, film editors and crafts and makeup people.
The main problem, they say, is that fans don't want to see actors using condoms.
"The last time we attempted to go all condom, our industry lost sales by over 30 percent," said Deen. "That's a huge hit to our economy."
Deen, who has appeared in more than 1,000 hardcore films over the past nine years and estimates he's been in about 4,000 sex scenes, said he's never been infected with any disease and he gets tested every two weeks.
"I love condoms, I think they're great and the safest thing you can do in engaging in sexual intercourse with a stranger," he said, adding he uses them in his personal life but not onscreen.
Industry officials, meanwhile, say the last reported case of HIV linked directly to work was in 2004. Since then, they add, about 300,000 films have been made.
Michael Weinstein, the nonprofit AIDS Healthcare Foundation's founder and president, disputes those figures, saying there have been other, more recent HIV infections, not to mention numerous cases of gonorrhea, chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases.
Weinstein, whose group led a petition campaign to place the measure on the ballot, says he plans to take his campaign statewide.
In the meantime, he says implementing and enforcing the new law should be easy.
"This is no different than supervising restaurants or nail salons or barbershops," Weinstein said. "You fill out forms, you are granted a permit and, periodically, somebody goes out and does spot inspections."
Easy to implement or not, porn producers say the cost of paying for permits will likely be steep and the drop-off in sales could bankrupt them.
"Certainly this is the biggest threat that I've seen to the industry in a very, very long time," said Steven Hirsch, chief executive of Vivid Entertainment Group, one of the largest purveyors of porn films, including celebrity sex tapes and popular X-rated parodies of "Batman" and "Superman" films. "There have been obscenity prosecutions, but this is something on a whole different level."
Hirsch, who co-founded Vivid 28 years ago, said he is confident the industry will get the law overturned on the grounds it violates filmmakers' First Amendment rights of free expression.
If it isn't overturned, he said his company will simply move production out of Los Angeles County to survive.
Several people who attended an emergency meeting of the industry's advocacy group, the Free Speech Coalition, last week, said porn producers have already been in touch with officials in Las Vegas and parts of Florida. In some instances, they said, tax incentives have been offered to lure them.
Through a quirk in county law, the industry might even be able to pack up and move just a few miles down the freeway to Pasadena or Long Beach.
Those municipalities, although located in Los Angeles County, have their own health departments, and Pasadena said earlier this week it won't enforce the new law.
That would be just fine for many actors and directors, who say they don't really want to leave their home base.
"People forget that porn people are people too," said Kylie Ireland, a veteran actress and director who has appeared in such films as "Being Porn Again" and "Calipornication."
"They forget that we have families and we are married and we have kids and we have lives and jobs and hobbies just like everybody else."
So, when they say "Let's wrap this up" or "Thats a wrap", it doesn't mean they are done shooting anymore?
In all fairness, the gays should also fall under this law. Â They spread deadly disease's also, but I'm sure the Hollywood crowd wouldn't like it if they were also affected by the new law.
@boomer I hate to break this to you, but they are talking about the porn industry, not just one aspect of it.
 @boomer What an ignorant comment. Anything to seize an opportunity to slam the gays, huh? You do spend an awful lot of time thinking about them, don't you?
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First of all, if it's gay porn, then obviously this law applies, just like it does if it's hetero back-door action. Secondly, I thought reactionary conservatives were for less government and against birth control? Now you want to mandate the use of contraception? Your hatred of the gay community is clouding your judgement. Might be time to come out of the closet, boomer.
 @boomer how would you know?
"It could take months longer before county health officials decide how to enforce it and whether they must begin dispatching prophylactic police officers to keep a close eye on actors."
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Wooboy, can you imagine being an inspector in that role? What would you tell your friends/family? "I watch porn stars have sex to ensure they are wearing condoms." You'd be the envy of millions.
@OSUx2 your wife might not like you doing it, though.
*facepalm*
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Seems the text of the law doesn't state where the condoms must be worn:
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"The measure would require the use of condoms for all acts of anal or vaginal sex during the production of adult films, as well as the posting of both the public health permit and a notice to performers regarding condom use. "
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Time for the industry to get creative.
@Festivus  hey Festy, thanks for the laugh of the day...... I guess people will know porn filmed 12/12 and after as it  will have condoms worn on the big toe of the participants :)
 @kramr To start, but you know how porn works.  Pretty soon that won't be edgy enough.  Have you ever seen someone pull a surgical glove over their head and inflate it through their nose?  The possibilities are endless.
@Festivus  Now thats what you call thinking outside the "box" :)
"""""They forget that we have families and we are married and we have kids and we have lives and jobs and hobbies just like everybody else""""""
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I'm sure most spouses will ask the hard working actor at the dinner table with the kids around....... Honey, who did you #$@k at work today.
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Although to be honest, I guess spouses of attorneys could ask the same question :)
 @kramr Actually, my first thought was - that would be an interesting PTA meeting.
@kramr the same could be said about the spouses of CEOs too except it would be "Honey, how many employees did you #$@k over today?"
@Ramsesthegreat class envy is just sad......
@Ramsesthegreat  """"""o you're saying that a CEO killing thousands of jobs in order to keep his millions in bonus money coming in each year is screwing over employees for his own gain?""""""
    one can only be screwed over if the person allows it. If you don't like what papa john is paying, quit and find a better job
@Ramsesthegreat    IMHO, the retards who passed BarryCare without even reading it much less discussing the ramifications of the law are to blame. Taxes have consequences so yes MANY MANY businesses are going to limit workers hours to 30hrs or less.....DUH. On low paying jobs, 30hrs a week is pretty much going to be the new full time...... its too expensive to add benefits to low paying jobs.  the brain dead politicians should have known that.
I doubt the owner of papa johns lives in a 600 million dollar home. IMHO, if you don't like how papa john is treating you.... go find a better job and tell papa john to F off. if enough people quit because of low wages he will be forced to pay more. Â
I'll tell you what, you invest all your IRA in papa johns stock and then watch the stock tank after having to absorb the cost of BarryCare..... that might be enough to change your mind but I doubt it.
BTW, I couldn't care less what toys the owner of papa johns has you shouldn't either...... its nothing but class envy. He has a lot of money invested in the business and I would hope he gets a good return on his money.
@kramr or how about the owner of Papa Johns cutting employees hours so he doesn't have to provide healthcare while living in a $600,000,000 "castle house" with his own private golf course, 23 car garage and other useless, extravagant things. Seems like he can easily afford healthcare for his employees but refuses due to his own extreme greed.
@kramr so you're saying that a CEO killing thousands of jobs in order to keep his millions in bonus money coming in each year is screwing over employees for his own gain?
Porn people are people too.
@NiKnowZ  Hey Nik .... what name are you posting under these days? Just curious. I have a few guesses. ;)
My breakfast just came up.
 @felines99 You, of course in a polite public forum such as this, are telling us that your butler or day maid just brought up your breakfast tray complete with a hot cup of brisk Earl Grey tea and with a vase with a fresh flower in it from the downstairs kitchen, aren't you? Miss Manners and I are both sure this is exactly what you mean to share with the rest of your fellow readers who are also enjoying nice meals while we read the forum.