Costs of U.S. wars linger for over 100 years

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - If history is any judge, the U.S. government will be paying for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars for the next century as service members and their families grapple with the sacrifices of combat.
An Associated Press analysis of federal payment records found that the government is still making monthly payments to relatives of Civil War veterans - 148 years after the conflict ended.
At the 10 year anniversary of the start of the Iraq war, more than $40 billion a year are going to compensate veterans and survivors from the Spanish-American War from 1898, World War I and II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the two Iraq campaigns and the Afghanistan conflict. And those costs are rising rapidly.
U.S. Sen. Patty Murray said such expenses should remind the nation about war's long-lasting financial toll.
"When we decide to go to war, we have to consciously be also thinking about the cost," said Murray, D-Wash., adding that her WWII-veteran father's disability benefits helped feed their family.
Alan Simpson, a former Republican senator and veteran who co-chaired President Barack Obama's deficit committee in 2010, said government leaders working to limit the national debt should make sure that survivors of veterans need the money they are receiving.
"Without question, I would affluence-test all of those people," Simpson said.
With greater numbers of troops surviving combat injuries because of improvements in battlefield medicine and technology, the costs of disability payments are set to rise much higher.
The AP identified the disability and survivor benefits during an analysis of millions of federal payment records obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.
To gauge the post-war costs of each conflict, AP looked at four compensation programs that identify recipients by war: disabled veterans; survivors of those who died on active duty or from a service-related disability; low-income wartime vets over age 65 or disabled; and low-income survivors of wartime veterans or their disabled children.
The Iraq wars and Afghanistan
So far, the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and the first Persian Gulf conflict in the early 1990s are costing about $12 billion a year to compensate those who have left military service or family members of those who have died.
Those post-service compensation costs have totaled more than $50 billion since 2003, not including expenses of medical care and other benefits provided to veterans, and are poised to grow for many years to come.
The new veterans are filing for disabilities at historic rates, with about 45 percent of those from Iraq and Afghanistan seeking compensation for injuries. Many are seeking compensation for a variety of ailments at once.
Experts see a variety of factors driving that surge, including a bad economy that's led more jobless veterans to seek the financial benefits they've earned, troops who survive wounds of war and more awareness about head trauma and mental health.
Vietnam War
It's been 40 years since the U.S. ended its involvement in the Vietnam War, and yet payments for the conflict are still rising.
Now above $22 billion annually, Vietnam compensation costs are roughly twice the size of the FBI's annual budget. And while many disabled Vietnam vets have been compensated for post-traumatic stress disorder, hearing loss or general wounds, other ailments are positioning the war to have large costs even after veterans die.
Based on an uncertain link to the defoliant Agent Orange that was used in Vietnam, federal officials approved diabetes a decade ago as an ailment that qualifies for cash compensation - and it is now the most compensated ailment for Vietnam vets.
The VA also recently included heart disease among the Vietnam medical issues that qualify, and the agency is seeing thousands of new claims for that issue. Simpson said he has a lot of concerns about the government agreeing to automatically compensate for those diseases.
"That has been terribly abused," Simpson said.
Since heart disease is common among older Americans and is the nation's leading cause of death, the future deaths of thousands of Vietnam veterans could be linked to their service and their benefits passed along to survivors.
A congressional analysis estimated the cost of fighting the war was $738 billion in 2011 dollars, and the post-war benefits for veterans and families have separately cost some $270 billion since 1970, according to AP calculations.
World War I, World War II and the Korean War
World War I, which ended 94 years ago, continues to cost taxpayers about $20 million every year. World War II? $5 billion.
Compensation for WWII veterans and families didn't peak until 1991 - 46 years after the war ended - and annual costs since then have only declined by about 25 percent. Korean War costs appear to be leveling off at about $2.8 billion per year.
Of the 2,289 survivors drawing cash linked to WWI, about one-third are spouses and dozens of them are over 100 years in age.
Some of the other recipients are curious: Forty-seven of the spouses are under the age of 80, meaning they weren't born until years after the war ended. Many of those women were in their 20s and 30s when their aging spouses died in the 1960s and 1970s, and they've been drawing the monthly payments since.
Civil War and Spanish-American War
There are 10 living recipients of benefits tied to the 1898 Spanish-American War at a total cost of about $50,000 per year. The Civil War payments are going to two children of veterans - one in North Carolina and one in Tennessee- each for $876 per year.
Surviving spouses can qualify for lifetime benefits when troops from current wars have a service-linked death. Children under the age of 18 can also qualify, and those benefits are extended for a lifetime if the person is permanently incapable of self-support due to a disability before the age of 18.
Citing privacy, officials did not disclose the names of the two children getting the Civil War benefits.
Their ages suggest the one in Tennessee was born around 1920 and the North Carolina survivor was born around 1930. A veteran who was young during the Civil War would likely have been roughly 70 or 80 years old when the two people were born.
That's not unheard of. At age 86, Juanita Tudor Lowrey is the daughter of a Civil War veteran. Her father, Hugh Tudor, fought in the Union army. After his first wife died, Tudor was 73 when he remarried her 33-year-old mother in 1920. Lowrey was born in 1926.
Lowrey, who lives in Kearney, Mo., suspects the marriage might have been one of convenience, with her father looking for a housekeeper and her mother looking for some security. He died a couple years after she was born, and Lowrey received pension benefits until she was 18.
Now, Lowrey said, she usually gets skepticism from people after she tells them she's a daughter of a Civil War veteran.
"We're few and far between," Lowrey said.
An Associated Press analysis of federal payment records found that the government is still making monthly payments to relatives of Civil War veterans - 148 years after the conflict ended.
At the 10 year anniversary of the start of the Iraq war, more than $40 billion a year are going to compensate veterans and survivors from the Spanish-American War from 1898, World War I and II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the two Iraq campaigns and the Afghanistan conflict. And those costs are rising rapidly.
U.S. Sen. Patty Murray said such expenses should remind the nation about war's long-lasting financial toll.
"When we decide to go to war, we have to consciously be also thinking about the cost," said Murray, D-Wash., adding that her WWII-veteran father's disability benefits helped feed their family.
Alan Simpson, a former Republican senator and veteran who co-chaired President Barack Obama's deficit committee in 2010, said government leaders working to limit the national debt should make sure that survivors of veterans need the money they are receiving.
"Without question, I would affluence-test all of those people," Simpson said.
With greater numbers of troops surviving combat injuries because of improvements in battlefield medicine and technology, the costs of disability payments are set to rise much higher.
The AP identified the disability and survivor benefits during an analysis of millions of federal payment records obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.
To gauge the post-war costs of each conflict, AP looked at four compensation programs that identify recipients by war: disabled veterans; survivors of those who died on active duty or from a service-related disability; low-income wartime vets over age 65 or disabled; and low-income survivors of wartime veterans or their disabled children.
The Iraq wars and Afghanistan
So far, the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and the first Persian Gulf conflict in the early 1990s are costing about $12 billion a year to compensate those who have left military service or family members of those who have died.
Those post-service compensation costs have totaled more than $50 billion since 2003, not including expenses of medical care and other benefits provided to veterans, and are poised to grow for many years to come.
The new veterans are filing for disabilities at historic rates, with about 45 percent of those from Iraq and Afghanistan seeking compensation for injuries. Many are seeking compensation for a variety of ailments at once.
Experts see a variety of factors driving that surge, including a bad economy that's led more jobless veterans to seek the financial benefits they've earned, troops who survive wounds of war and more awareness about head trauma and mental health.
Vietnam War
It's been 40 years since the U.S. ended its involvement in the Vietnam War, and yet payments for the conflict are still rising.
Now above $22 billion annually, Vietnam compensation costs are roughly twice the size of the FBI's annual budget. And while many disabled Vietnam vets have been compensated for post-traumatic stress disorder, hearing loss or general wounds, other ailments are positioning the war to have large costs even after veterans die.
Based on an uncertain link to the defoliant Agent Orange that was used in Vietnam, federal officials approved diabetes a decade ago as an ailment that qualifies for cash compensation - and it is now the most compensated ailment for Vietnam vets.
The VA also recently included heart disease among the Vietnam medical issues that qualify, and the agency is seeing thousands of new claims for that issue. Simpson said he has a lot of concerns about the government agreeing to automatically compensate for those diseases.
"That has been terribly abused," Simpson said.
Since heart disease is common among older Americans and is the nation's leading cause of death, the future deaths of thousands of Vietnam veterans could be linked to their service and their benefits passed along to survivors.
A congressional analysis estimated the cost of fighting the war was $738 billion in 2011 dollars, and the post-war benefits for veterans and families have separately cost some $270 billion since 1970, according to AP calculations.
World War I, World War II and the Korean War
World War I, which ended 94 years ago, continues to cost taxpayers about $20 million every year. World War II? $5 billion.
Compensation for WWII veterans and families didn't peak until 1991 - 46 years after the war ended - and annual costs since then have only declined by about 25 percent. Korean War costs appear to be leveling off at about $2.8 billion per year.
Of the 2,289 survivors drawing cash linked to WWI, about one-third are spouses and dozens of them are over 100 years in age.
Some of the other recipients are curious: Forty-seven of the spouses are under the age of 80, meaning they weren't born until years after the war ended. Many of those women were in their 20s and 30s when their aging spouses died in the 1960s and 1970s, and they've been drawing the monthly payments since.
Civil War and Spanish-American War
There are 10 living recipients of benefits tied to the 1898 Spanish-American War at a total cost of about $50,000 per year. The Civil War payments are going to two children of veterans - one in North Carolina and one in Tennessee- each for $876 per year.
Surviving spouses can qualify for lifetime benefits when troops from current wars have a service-linked death. Children under the age of 18 can also qualify, and those benefits are extended for a lifetime if the person is permanently incapable of self-support due to a disability before the age of 18.
Citing privacy, officials did not disclose the names of the two children getting the Civil War benefits.
Their ages suggest the one in Tennessee was born around 1920 and the North Carolina survivor was born around 1930. A veteran who was young during the Civil War would likely have been roughly 70 or 80 years old when the two people were born.
That's not unheard of. At age 86, Juanita Tudor Lowrey is the daughter of a Civil War veteran. Her father, Hugh Tudor, fought in the Union army. After his first wife died, Tudor was 73 when he remarried her 33-year-old mother in 1920. Lowrey was born in 1926.
Lowrey, who lives in Kearney, Mo., suspects the marriage might have been one of convenience, with her father looking for a housekeeper and her mother looking for some security. He died a couple years after she was born, and Lowrey received pension benefits until she was 18.
Now, Lowrey said, she usually gets skepticism from people after she tells them she's a daughter of a Civil War veteran.
"We're few and far between," Lowrey said.
So, what you're saying is that we invaded a soverign nation, deposed it's government, killed 100,000 (est) Iraqis, killed 4000+ US soldiers and tens of thousands more greviously injured, sent billions and billions to the country (a good chunk of it still cannnot be accounted for), and now we're going to continue to pay for another century?Â
Well, KBR and blackwater made billions off the blood from US and Iraqis, so it's all good.Â
But.....but.....but.....what about this
Q: Mr. Secretary, on Iraq, how much money do you think the Department of Defense would need to pay for a war with Iraq?
Rumsfeld: Well, the Office of Management and Budget, has come up come up with a number that's something under $50 billion for the cost. How much of that would be the U.S. burden, and how much would be other countries, is an open question.
Odd how this article go such a short run on the KATU front page.   KATU was a huge promoter of the war 10 years ago and dedicated many hours regurgitating the nationalistic lies that lead America to war.
@Icarus ALL news was regurgitation the lies.....the ones that weren't were simply ignored!
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
The war debt will be paid off long before obama's obamacare and other programs he and his puppets have and are going to put into place.Â
@ShadowÂ
All of America could enjoy health care just on the money that was "lost"-stolen/unaccounted for by Halliburton and the other cozy private war contractors.
BTW --- It is impossible to attempt a favorable comparison for GWB with any other US president, particularly, Obama who was willing to attempt to clean up that mess. Â
@Icarus That is where we disagree....he said he wanted to clean the mess up, but not only perpetuated it but expanded on it!
Obama and Bush are both war criminals, and I for one would love to see both tried at the Hague but using the same rules as we used during WWII!
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@Molly Head When I was a kid we had P.E. and Music and Recesses and there were only a couple of fat kids and they had health issues and couldn't play like the others. Now the majority of kids are tubby and in poor health. They cut P.E. and Music to save money on the education budget but that just shifted the costs from the education balance sheet to the more costly health care balance sheet.
Well the curse of the Four Horsemen will haunt American prosperity and standing among nations for 99 years....as I've been saying for years.
Sadly, the media that bought into the craze of Nationalism and promoted it and rejected all the valid information and facts that were readily available in 2002 continue as the street-walker press whoars of today promoting corporate agendas with government commercials and calling it "news".
The people that got it right never had to change their position or their fact while the purveyors of lies hit upon any number of evolving "facts/truths" to justify that enduring illegal attack on Iraq. However they are not immune to the regret for promoting American Nationalism nor the guilt for the only attack on civilians to rival the American genocide of the Native American....another crime against humanity sold to the public by nationalistic fervor and lies.
The fact that diabetes and heart disease qualify Vietnam vets for compensation is disgusting.  Yet I am not surprised that the selfish "ME" generation found a way to get themselves this gift.
@trololol
I blame the "Me" generation for a lot of things (the current thinking of capitalism being king the deficit, reality TV etc) but this isn't one of those.Â
I will ask you, with everything you know about Vietnam, would you have volunteered? My father did. His brothers did and one left a leg on that soil.Â
Does it bother you that people (mostly men) who served now get "free" healthcare from that? If I were king, people who served in active duty in combat zones would be guaranteed healthcare and a roof for the rest for their lives providing they were discharged with honor.Â
So yeah, grandpa gets his diabetes medication paid for (mostly at least) by us because he was a rifleman in the USMC during Vietnam. I consider it a small price to pay to not have to do it myself.Â
@Repoman @trolololÂ
Anyone honorably discharged gets VA medical (as long as they don't exceed the household income levels, which is fair).
Your post is confusing to me. Â Your dad, his brother and your grandfather served in Vietnam? Â Certainly possible, but rare.
My problem certainly is not with your uncle getting compensation for losing his leg, it's with your granfather getting compensation for diabetes.
Don't confuse compensation with medical benefits.
Did you know, that not only 100%% of grandfathers treatment for diabetes is covered (which it should be, and theirs no mostly about it, it's 100%%), he also gets a big fat check every month because the "ME" generation say it was linked to his service in Vietnam.
Heart disease?  Everyone eventually gets heart disease, the only difference is the Vietnam vets get COMPENSATED for theirs.Â
@trolololÂ
Grandpa is the perverbial "grandpa" becuase anyone who served in Viernam is likely a grandpa by now. My grandfather served in WWII in both theatures.
I am unaware anyone get a "big fat check" for any service. From everyoneI know unless you end service with a "big fat check", you won't see a big fat check. Those are reserved for high ranking officers.Â
But i would again give a pension to anyone who served in combat. Indeed If you served in active combat, I have no issue with you being able to live on a military pension and SSI.Â
@trololol Sweet deal, guess the fed had better crank up the presses though.
@danoseknows I think you are missing the point.  It's not either or it's BOTH.  And only applies to vietnam vets.
They are treated, which is as it should be. Â They ALSO receive a cash payment.
Now they'll start getting paid for heart disease.Â
@trololol If they were honorably discharged and at some point in their lives develop diabetes, what difference does it make if it's a medical benefit, or compensation? Either way, it's a cost.
Freedom is expensive, and so is socialism. Obama's OVER spending by a trillion dollars a year. Debt currently at $16 trillion, 6.5 trillion of it is Obama's - overspending the "budget"Â by 40% every year.
@TimBurr  Half of that "over-spending" is just interest on the debt resulting from the attack on Iraq.
All of America could enjoy health care just on the money that was "lost"-stolen/unaccounted for by Halliburton and the other cozy private war contractors.
@IcarusNice myth.
"the National Debt will top $20 trillion in 2016, the final year of his second term. That would mean the Debt increased by 87 percent, or $9.34 trillion, during his two terms."
@Icarus
Yea, that interest on a war sure does add up. /eyes roll
@TimBurr   So you deny that there are cost associated with mounting an army and sending men to war. Do you deny that Americans were killed and maimed in Iraq? Â
I wish the last 13 years were just a bad dream but you should really wake up from your GOP fetish fantasy.Â
@Icarus@TimBurrWow, time for someone to re-up their psychotropics.
@TimBurr
You're right! It's costly to bring all those soldiers home....fuctard.....and the interest doesn't increase as quickly as the social cost and benefits which must be paid to the spouses of 4500 dead soldiers, the health benefits of 35,000 Purple Heart recipients, and 300,000 soldiers that returned with PSTD. The cost to pay for all those people and their dependents will continue for the next 100 years. And the benefit to the American people......nothing but hardship and stolen promise and diminished future. so you can exaggerate the deficit projections but you cannot blame the costs on Obama. He didn't start that war on lies and by whooping up nationalist fervor.
@TimBurr But thats ok, I won't be the one that has to pay it back. I probably got another 20 or 30 years left and this is going to take much longer.
It didn't help that bush cooked the books deferring budget for war from general budget, contributes massive debt to our budget Obama has served up, 2008 melt down and stimulus was not enough the damage for war that bush lied about, WMDs, will rank him worst president this century, but to get out of fix were in? nationalize oil companies, we would save the rank an file, but then no worries no cajones, so we try not to look at the man behind curtain, Holder will level no charges on banksters, Elizabeth Warren only voice of justice. oh yeah a republican administration served us this debt, and fed war, now they shun it? We are stuck.
That's amazing. You put about 100 different ideas into one paragraph!
that bush lied about, WMDs
There's some Kurds who would dispute your claim...But since they're DEAD they can't.
@Social Glimpse
This has nothing really to do with 'cooking the books". Few American's at the time of the Spanish American War would have hesitated to get involved. The same goes for world wars I and II. Indeed in both of those wars the US actually declared war and congress voted a war act.Â
This is about that even if we do all of that and plan to pay for it. it will cost. The US skimped and saved as a whole country for WWII and we still are paying the bill for it.Â
We need to decide if we go to war not only about the costs of war in terms or men and material, but money long after we win, if indeed we even do "win". Even knowing what we do know, or better BECUASE of what we know now, few would think of the expenditure of money paying for WWII was not worth the cost.Â
The trick it thinking of that cost in the heat that precludes a war.Â
don't forget the war on drugs