Democrats stiffen spine against trimming benefits

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama's re-election has stiffened Democrats' spine against cutting popular benefit programs such as Medicare and Social Security. Their new resolve could become as big a hurdle to a deal that would skirt crippling tax increases and spending cuts in January as Republicans' resistance to raising tax rates on the wealthy.
Just last year, Obama and top Democrats were willing during budget negotiations with Republicans to take politically risky steps such as reducing the annual inflation adjustment to Social Security and raising the eligibility age for Medicare.
Now, with new leverage from Obama's big election victory and a playing field for negotiations that is more favorable in other ways, too, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats are taking a harder line.
"I've made it very clear. I've told anyone that will listen, including everyone in the White House, including the president, that I am not going to be part of having Social Security as part of these talks relating to this deficit," Reid, D-Nev., told reporters.
Reid's edict would appear to take a key proposal off the table as an ingredient for a deal on avoiding the "fiscal cliff," the year-end combination of expiring President George W. Bush-era tax cuts and harsh across-the-board spending cuts.
At issue is the inflation adjustment used by the government to calculate cost-of-living adjustments for Social Security and other federal programs. A less generous inflation measure that takes into account consumers finding alternatives when prices go up could reduce deficits by more than $200 billion over the next decade.
It's a no-brainer for many budget wonks because it means gradual, less noticeable curbs to the growth of benefits. It also means about $70 billion more tax revenues over 10 years because automatic rises in tax brackets to account for inflation would be smaller.
That new inflation index, known as chained Consumer Price Index, is a magic elixir for budget writers. But it's anathema to many liberals, who say that moving to the new cost-of-living measure could cut average retiree benefits by about $600 a year a decade after taking effect and mean a cut of about $1,000 a year after 20 years.
"Think about it this way. You're standing on the deck of a boat and you're in very deep water and they want you to swim, but they're going to put a log chain around your ankle," Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, told a group of liberal activists assembled for a rally Thursday in a Senate hearing room. "That's chained CPI."
Sixteen months ago, Obama's White House took a different view during talks with House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, on a possible budget deal. A White House draft offer by top Obama aide Rob Nabors, made public by Washington Post author Bob Woodward, proposed several controversial changes to benefit programs, including the lower inflation adjustment, raising the eligibility age for Medicare and higher Medicare premiums.
Those negotiations, however, were conducted on a playing field that favored Republicans. It was less than a year after Obama's self-described "shellacking" in the 2010 elections and the president was desperate to win an increase in the government's borrowing cap and avoid a government default on its debt that should shatter financial markets. Also, Obama still faced re-election in 2012.
Now conditions favor Obama.
He decisively won re-election and Republicans seem fearful of being tagged with the blame if an impasse results in the government going over the fiscal cliff. Obama and Democrats already are portraying Republicans as hostage-takers willing let tax rates rise on everyone if the lower Bush-era tax rates are not also extended for the top 2 percent to 3 percent of earners - those with incomes above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for joint filers.
The new balance of power means that Democrats who once would have acquiesced reluctantly to GOP demands for stiff benefit cuts are now balking at ideas such as chained CPI or an increase in the Medicare retirement age, as well as demanding GOP concessions to higher taxes.
"The price for that kind of thing has gone up," said a senior House Democrat who required anonymity to speak frankly on party strategy. "Negotiations depend on the situation. No one should expect to get the same kind of deal."
Republicans have gotten the message, but insist that higher tax revenues be paired with cuts to rapidly growing programs such as Medicare and the Medicaid health care program for the poor and disabled. These programs are called "entitlements" because eligibility is based on meeting criteria such as age or income.
"Washington's problem isn't that it taxes too little, but that it spends too much," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. "But in a good-faith effort to make progress on boosting the economy and government's long-term solvency, Republicans like me have said for more than a year now that we're open to new revenue in exchange for meaningful reforms to the entitlement programs that are the primary drivers of our debt."
New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte said in the GOP's weekly radio address Saturday that "any effort to address our fiscal crisis without including entitlement reform can't be taken seriously."
No way, say many liberals.
"We're going to send a loud message to the leadership in the House, in the Senate, and President Obama: 'Do not cut Social Security, do not cut Medicare, do not cut Medicaid,'" said Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-declared socialist who aligns with Democrats. "Every now and then elections have consequences. We won."
Republicans and even some Obama allies worry that liberal demands will make it harder for the president to seal a bargain with the GOP.
Rep. Mike Quigley, D-Ill., said Obama has the same problem with his party's liberal base that Boehner has with some conservative Republicans. "Boehner has a disproportionate group of his folks skewing things too far out and the president has equally the same sort of problems with people who are horribly unreasonable," Quigley said.
Just last year, Obama and top Democrats were willing during budget negotiations with Republicans to take politically risky steps such as reducing the annual inflation adjustment to Social Security and raising the eligibility age for Medicare.
Now, with new leverage from Obama's big election victory and a playing field for negotiations that is more favorable in other ways, too, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats are taking a harder line.
"I've made it very clear. I've told anyone that will listen, including everyone in the White House, including the president, that I am not going to be part of having Social Security as part of these talks relating to this deficit," Reid, D-Nev., told reporters.
Reid's edict would appear to take a key proposal off the table as an ingredient for a deal on avoiding the "fiscal cliff," the year-end combination of expiring President George W. Bush-era tax cuts and harsh across-the-board spending cuts.
At issue is the inflation adjustment used by the government to calculate cost-of-living adjustments for Social Security and other federal programs. A less generous inflation measure that takes into account consumers finding alternatives when prices go up could reduce deficits by more than $200 billion over the next decade.
It's a no-brainer for many budget wonks because it means gradual, less noticeable curbs to the growth of benefits. It also means about $70 billion more tax revenues over 10 years because automatic rises in tax brackets to account for inflation would be smaller.
That new inflation index, known as chained Consumer Price Index, is a magic elixir for budget writers. But it's anathema to many liberals, who say that moving to the new cost-of-living measure could cut average retiree benefits by about $600 a year a decade after taking effect and mean a cut of about $1,000 a year after 20 years.
"Think about it this way. You're standing on the deck of a boat and you're in very deep water and they want you to swim, but they're going to put a log chain around your ankle," Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, told a group of liberal activists assembled for a rally Thursday in a Senate hearing room. "That's chained CPI."
Sixteen months ago, Obama's White House took a different view during talks with House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, on a possible budget deal. A White House draft offer by top Obama aide Rob Nabors, made public by Washington Post author Bob Woodward, proposed several controversial changes to benefit programs, including the lower inflation adjustment, raising the eligibility age for Medicare and higher Medicare premiums.
Those negotiations, however, were conducted on a playing field that favored Republicans. It was less than a year after Obama's self-described "shellacking" in the 2010 elections and the president was desperate to win an increase in the government's borrowing cap and avoid a government default on its debt that should shatter financial markets. Also, Obama still faced re-election in 2012.
Now conditions favor Obama.
He decisively won re-election and Republicans seem fearful of being tagged with the blame if an impasse results in the government going over the fiscal cliff. Obama and Democrats already are portraying Republicans as hostage-takers willing let tax rates rise on everyone if the lower Bush-era tax rates are not also extended for the top 2 percent to 3 percent of earners - those with incomes above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for joint filers.
The new balance of power means that Democrats who once would have acquiesced reluctantly to GOP demands for stiff benefit cuts are now balking at ideas such as chained CPI or an increase in the Medicare retirement age, as well as demanding GOP concessions to higher taxes.
"The price for that kind of thing has gone up," said a senior House Democrat who required anonymity to speak frankly on party strategy. "Negotiations depend on the situation. No one should expect to get the same kind of deal."
Republicans have gotten the message, but insist that higher tax revenues be paired with cuts to rapidly growing programs such as Medicare and the Medicaid health care program for the poor and disabled. These programs are called "entitlements" because eligibility is based on meeting criteria such as age or income.
"Washington's problem isn't that it taxes too little, but that it spends too much," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. "But in a good-faith effort to make progress on boosting the economy and government's long-term solvency, Republicans like me have said for more than a year now that we're open to new revenue in exchange for meaningful reforms to the entitlement programs that are the primary drivers of our debt."
New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte said in the GOP's weekly radio address Saturday that "any effort to address our fiscal crisis without including entitlement reform can't be taken seriously."
No way, say many liberals.
"We're going to send a loud message to the leadership in the House, in the Senate, and President Obama: 'Do not cut Social Security, do not cut Medicare, do not cut Medicaid,'" said Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-declared socialist who aligns with Democrats. "Every now and then elections have consequences. We won."
Republicans and even some Obama allies worry that liberal demands will make it harder for the president to seal a bargain with the GOP.
Rep. Mike Quigley, D-Ill., said Obama has the same problem with his party's liberal base that Boehner has with some conservative Republicans. "Boehner has a disproportionate group of his folks skewing things too far out and the president has equally the same sort of problems with people who are horribly unreasonable," Quigley said.
'He decisively won re-election and Republicans seem fearful of being tagged with the blame if an impasse results in the government going over the fiscal cliff.'
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I really, really don't get why this lie keeps getting repeated. The Presidents win was neither 'decisive' or 'a strong statement of support'.Â
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Were it not for electoral college grandstanding and vote gathering, I sincerely doubt he would have won.Â
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I do sincerely believe that Mr Romney 'lost' the election moreso than President Obama 'won' it. Either way, there was no obvious 'decisive' element to his victory.Â
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But.... as I predicted, here we go with another 2 years of absolutely nothing getting done in our dysfunctional, partisan log jammed Congress. The D's will blame the R's and likewise on the inverse.Â
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Speaking of special rights and favoritism by Obama towards Muslims, does anyone know, will Muslims be FORCED to pay for Obamacare just as the rest of us or can they opt out do to their religion? If they are allowed to opt out, I've got an old towel for a head wrap. Â
How about trimming their own benefits and budgets. If SS and Obamacare is good enough for everyone else, it's good enough for them. I hate it that they can exempt themselves from the laws imposed on the general population.
Liberals will never learn....there isnt any money.
@sortbait thus the reason that revenue needs to be increased.
 @Ramsesthegreat  @sortbait yeah, increased while slashing this wild spending.
 @sortbait At the same time Obama is increasing the DoD budget. No, there isn't any money.
 @Jamie  @sortbait So, in this time when terrorist hate us and want to kill us all, you want to decrease our military strength? Yea, that makes a lot of sense.Â
 @scoreboard  @sortbait Considering we're massively in debt, yes. How do you plan to pay for all the toys and bombs the military uses? Borrowing the money from China eventually has to be paid back.. at some point China is going to foreclose on this country.
 @Jamie  @sortbait So because of that we should cut our military spending?
 @scoreboard  @sortbait They'll always hate us. All the military adventurism(tm) has only made things worse and driven this country into massive debt we'll probably never get out of -- well unless we turn this place into the United States of China.Â
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Half the reason we're in such debt is because of the private federal reserve creating "money" out of thin air, not to mention going off the gold standard system. Of course our fiat currency is worthless, nothing backs it up like it use to.
So much for compromise! It seems that Obama thinks compromise is when everyone agrees with him. The Democrats think that it means everyone should agree with them. And the Republicans are left feeling that if no one else is willing to bend for the sake of compromise they shouldn't either. We are left with stalemate again. It doesn't look like their will be any improvement from the last four years, at least not for the better.
@Freedom1267 you mean like all the times that Democrats compromised with Republicans, gave them everything they asked for and Republicans still voted no just to attempt to make the President look bad?
@Ramsesthegreat No.. I think he means more like when the dems had a supermajority and Pres Obama used it to shove health care reform down our throats.
 @scared_citizen  @Ramsesthegreat if they really wanted to shove health care reform as progressives would have wanted, there would have been a single payer option instead of this watered down version.
 @scared_citizen  @Ramsesthegreat Exactly...a health care bill that has a ton of crap in it that has nothing to do with health care.
We have started down the slippery slope towards Socialism and Communism.
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Why bother getting a job at all, when you will make just a little more than welfare? Might as well milk the system, like the people that voted for Obama.
 @Lo Pan because working to make more than welfare is still preferable to living off the minimum of government cheese?
@Lo Pan  You have a pretty good grasp on what is happening. To bad so many people dont see it.....yet.
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Historic tax rates by year and income group. Â I can't find any data that supports your argument. Â Can you?
@darren vandervort @Lo Pan  Your argument does not take into consideration the enormous variable of tax credits, deductions, writeoffs, capital gains, carry overs, etc. These numbers have no real reflection on actual individual out of pocket IRS obligations unless the full taxable amount was paid......unlikely.
Bingo !!!    For example, a tax rate of 100% is meaningless if you never enter that bracket.  Â
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Remember it is lawyers that write our laws and tax code.  You go down and get a lawyer that forms a trust, a corporation, a couple of partnerships and then nests them.     I imagine a sharp lawyer could find almost anything . . .
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Here is some more data.   It shows the composition of congress for the period of your graph.    It shows that the very ones complaining about tax breaks to the rich were the very ones with the votes for writing and passing those very same tax laws:.   Sure does cause pause for thought  . . . .   Â
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Here's where to start. Start with every single 'Omamaphone', take them back, then shut down ALL subsidies. That's right, ALL of them, big Oil, big Wind, big Solar, and the not so big, planed parenthood, PBS, OPB, shut it all off. That's a start.
 @last boyscout you still want to go with 'obamaphone' when i'm sure you know that the program was started under reagan and was expanded by clinton and bush?Â
@diddy_bop @last boyscout Sure, everyone knows the program was started under Bush, expanded under Obama. Do you really think the recipients care that a Republican president gave them their phones? No, they credit Obama with it and with "taking care" of them through entitlements.. Facts don't matter to the takers only the perceptions, and that's where they place their loyalties.
 @Kachina  @diddy_bop  @last here's another one for you:
"The president has no direct impact on the program, and one could hardly call these devices 'Obama Phones'"
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/
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fact checking, be damned...
 @Kachina  @diddy_bop  @last it's funny that you talk about perception considering it was right leaning sources that were perpetuating the idea that it's the 'obama phone'.  sources on obama expanding the program? it was reagan that started the program for landlines and bush that expanded it to include cell phones, but you don't care about facts, do you?
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maybe the GOP should have used that to their advantage by claiming the Lifeline program was indeed a republican idea instead of reinforcing a lie for the uninformed voters of the right and alienating the uninformed voters on the left.
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/31/adam-putnam/putnam-obama-campaign-gives-free-cell-phones-suppo/
@diddy_bop shhh, Republicans hate facts.
@last boyscout But the conservatives do the same thing. Telling lies to the "less than intelligent voting bloc" is not a tactic that is unique to liberals.
 @scoreboard  @Ramsesthegreat do you work for the CIA and have access to classified information about the attack? thought so.
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how about you try reading about petraeus' testimony on the attack and why they didn't want to tip off the terrorists by naming them.
 @Ramsesthegreat What we disagree with are liberals that intentionally lie to their less than intelligent voting bloc just to gain their favor, and their vote for more free goods.
 @Ramsesthegreat  @diddy_bop Yea....you mean the facts about Benghazi that the Democrats are trying to cover up? Those kinds of facts?Â
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Social Security is not an entitlement. I (we) have paid into it all of our working lives. The only reason it is in trouble is the govt. put the money in the general fund. (took it from the lock box it was originally meant for.) Guess what!! They spent it ALL. The govt. has not paid back a dime. They have robbed the people they were sworn to represent. Both party's.
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Peoples eyes glaze over, and all they hear is "entitlement" program and they think FREE, FREE.
I find it surprising that many of the middle aged and younger individuals really don't know how SOS, SSDI, Medicare, or Medicade works. Â
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 SOS is a prepaid (for most) fund, that has been abused and expandes to provide hand outs to way too many who shoud not be receiving it.. SSDI, is for Disabled, Medicare is a Federal insurance plan for health care after age 65 that has multiple levels of care with monthly costs for premiums, co pays, deductables, prescriptions etc. Medicaid is a State funded health care plan, based on income, Subsidized by the Federal government. Â
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There is an enormous amount of fraud in all plans. The Feds are useless at tracking their data. Anther reason to cut Government back to what it was designed to do, and let the States manage themselves.
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@shadowwalker  I have news for you. Not everyone drawing social security paid in to it.
 @scared_citizen Exactly....like all those flipping illegals that Obama granted amnesty to just to get votes.
 @shadowwalker I htink there talking about SSDI aka SSI as well. Now there are those who can not work and need something to fall on..Hey why not just go to a Cash/Credit/debt free society?
The American people (plus illegals) have spoken. "We want our handouts (gifts) !!" And the Democrats (as usual) are all to happy to comply.
 @TimBurr sources on illegals voting please.
 @diddy_bop  @TimBurr Ever since Obama has said there is no need to show ID and proof of citizenship, there's no way to trace whether illegals are voting or not.
 @scoreboard  @TimBurr considering voter fraud is so prevalent, i thought you'd offer up some proof.  nothing, really? not even something from a far right publication?
@scoreboard @diddy_bop @TimBurr   Plus Democrat Party and Super Pac's even used federal data, including IRS filings to get tax credit refunds for extra children, (they don't need a SOS number or a valid green card to do so)  to mail them voter ID cards........no photo ID needed, no registration needed,, just vote, and oh by the way did you know you are entitled to a phone?Â
@diddy_bop facts? He doesn't need them. He believes in the Romney method of lie about something enough that people start to believe it as act.
 @scoreboard  @Ramsesthegreat it must be hard not to be able to counter with anything other than to blame it on the 'liberal lamestream media' even when it comes from the mouth of petraeus himself
 @diddy_bop  @Ramsesthegreat As the song by Journey say, "Don't stop believin'"
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As in don't stop believing what the liberal/left, lamestream media tells you what to believe. Don't stop believing the lies coming from Obama's mouth.
 @scoreboard  @Ramsesthegreat how about  the administration not wanting to tip off terrorist groups by not naming them? just ask john mccain whether he wants to continue with his conspiracy theories after petraeus' testimony.
 @Ramsesthegreat  @diddy_bop So tell me more about Benghazi.....you know what I'm talking about.....
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Obama, along with the lamestream media that you seem to love, have been lying about that all along.