Manhunt for rogue ex-cop ends in flames at cabin
BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. (AP) — The manhunt for a former Los Angeles police officer suspected of going on a killing spree converged Tuesday on a mountain cabin where authorities believe he barricaded himself inside, engaged in a shootout that killed a deputy and then never emerged as the home went up in flames.
A single gunshot was heard from within, and a law enforcement official told The Associated Press Tuesday evening that officials had found a charred body. Later, San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Jodi Miller said that the remains had been found inside the burned-out cabin.
Investigators will use forensic tests to determine if the body belongs to Christopher Dorner. If the results are positive, the search for the most wanted man in America over the last week will have ended the way he had expected — death, with the police pursuing him. He is believed to have killed at least four people.
Thousands of officers had been on the hunt for the former Navy reservist since police said he launched a campaign to exact revenge against the Los Angeles Police Department for his firing. They say he threatened to bring "warfare" to officers and their families, spreading fear and setting off a search for him across the Southwest and Mexico.
"Enough is enough. It's time for you to turn yourself in. It's time to stop the bloodshed," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said at a news conference held outside police headquarters in Los Angeles, a starkly different atmosphere than last week when Dorner was on the loose and officials briefed the news media under heavy security in an underground hallway.
A short time after Smith spoke Tuesday, smoke began to rise from the cabin in the snow-covered woods near Big Bear Lake, a resort town about 80 miles east of Los Angeles. Flames then engulfed the building — images that were broadcast on live television around the world. TV helicopters showed the fire burning freely with no apparent effort to extinguish it.
"We have reason to believe that it is him," said San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Cynthia Bachman, adding that she didn't know how the fire started. She noted there was gunfire between the person in the cabin and officers around the home before the blaze began.
There were conflicting reports about whether a body had been found inside shortly after the fire, with both the Los Angeles and San Bernardino authorities disputing the find in separate news conferences. But an official later told the AP a body had been seen in the rubble. The official requested anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
Until Tuesday, authorities didn't know whether Dorner was still near Big Bear Lake, where they found his burned-out pickup last week.
It's believed that Dorner broke into a house near where his truck was found and tied two people up.
About mid-day Tuesday, wardens from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife spotted a purple Nissan car that had been reported stolen, department spokesman Lt. Patrick Foy said. The wardens recognized the driver as someone matching Dorner's description.
They pursued the driver and briefly lost him when he turned onto a side road. Three other wardens in two vehicles turned onto the road a short time later, and were searching for the car when they saw a white pickup truck driving toward them erratically and at a high rate of speed.
Wardens got a close look at the driver and realized it was Dorner, who rolled down his window and opened fire, Foy said.
The wildlife vehicle was hit numerous times, and one of the wardens was able to get out and fire at the driver, who escaped on foot after crashing his truck.
After holing up in the cabin, there was a second gunbattle with San Bernardino County deputies, two of whom were shot. One died and the other was expected to live after undergoing surgery.
"We're heartbroken," Big Bear Lake Mayor Jay Obernolte said of the deputy's death and the wounding of his colleague. "Words can't express how grateful we are for the sacrifice those men have made in defense of the community, and our thoughts and prayers are with them and their families."
The man believed to be Dorner never came out of the cabin, and a single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.
Earlier, a SWAT team surrounded the cabin and used an armored vehicle to break out the cabin windows, the official said. The officers then pumped a gas into the cabin and blasted a message over a loudspeaker: "Surrender or come out."
The armored vehicle then tore down each of the cabin's four walls, like peeling back the layers of an onion, the official said.
Police say Dorner began his run on Feb. 6 after they connected the slayings of a former police captain's daughter and her fiance with an angry Facebook rant they said he posted. Threats against the LAPD led officials to assign officers to protect officers and their families.
Within hours of the release of photos of the 6-foot, 270-pounder described as armed and "extremely dangerous," police say, Dorner unsuccessfully tried to steal a boat in San Diego to flee to Mexico and opened fire on two patrol cars in Riverside County, shooting three officers and killing one.
Jumpy officers guarding one of the targets named in the rant shot and injured two women delivering newspapers Thursday in Torrance because they mistook their pickup truck for Dorner's.
Police found weapons and camping gear inside the charred truck in Big Bear. Helicopters using heat-seeking technology searched the forest from above while scores of officers, some using bloodhounds, scoured the ground and checked hundreds of vacation cabins — many vacant this time of year — in the area.
A snowstorm hindered the search and may have helped cover his tracks, though authorities were hopeful he would leave fresh footprints if hiding in the wilderness.
Dorner's anger with the department dated back at least five years, when he was fired for filing a false report accusing his training officer of kicking a mentally ill suspect. Dorner, who is black, claimed in the rant that he was the subject of racism by the department and fired for doing the right thing.
He said he would get even with those who wronged him as part of his plan to reclaim his good name.
"You're going to see what a whistleblower can do when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!" the rant said. "You have awoken a sleeping giant."
Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed the allegations in the rant, said he reopened the investigation into his firing — not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which long had a fractured relationship with police that has improved in recent years.
One of the targets listed in the manifesto was former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan, who represented Dorner before the disciplinary board. Dorner claimed he put the interests of the department above his.
The first victims were Quan's daughter, Monica Quan, 28, a college basketball coach, and her fiance, Keith Lawrence, 27. They were shot multiple times in their car in a parking garage near their Orange County condo.
Dorner served in the Navy, earning a rifle marksman ribbon and pistol expert medal. He was assigned to a naval undersea warfare unit and various aviation training units, according to military records. He took leave from the LAPD for a six-month deployment to Bahrain in 2006 and 2007.
He left the service on Feb. 1.
Copyright 2013 The Associated Press.
A single gunshot was heard from within, and a law enforcement official told The Associated Press Tuesday evening that officials had found a charred body. Later, San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Jodi Miller said that the remains had been found inside the burned-out cabin.
Investigators will use forensic tests to determine if the body belongs to Christopher Dorner. If the results are positive, the search for the most wanted man in America over the last week will have ended the way he had expected — death, with the police pursuing him. He is believed to have killed at least four people.
Thousands of officers had been on the hunt for the former Navy reservist since police said he launched a campaign to exact revenge against the Los Angeles Police Department for his firing. They say he threatened to bring "warfare" to officers and their families, spreading fear and setting off a search for him across the Southwest and Mexico.
"Enough is enough. It's time for you to turn yourself in. It's time to stop the bloodshed," LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith said at a news conference held outside police headquarters in Los Angeles, a starkly different atmosphere than last week when Dorner was on the loose and officials briefed the news media under heavy security in an underground hallway.
A short time after Smith spoke Tuesday, smoke began to rise from the cabin in the snow-covered woods near Big Bear Lake, a resort town about 80 miles east of Los Angeles. Flames then engulfed the building — images that were broadcast on live television around the world. TV helicopters showed the fire burning freely with no apparent effort to extinguish it.
"We have reason to believe that it is him," said San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Cynthia Bachman, adding that she didn't know how the fire started. She noted there was gunfire between the person in the cabin and officers around the home before the blaze began.
There were conflicting reports about whether a body had been found inside shortly after the fire, with both the Los Angeles and San Bernardino authorities disputing the find in separate news conferences. But an official later told the AP a body had been seen in the rubble. The official requested anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
Until Tuesday, authorities didn't know whether Dorner was still near Big Bear Lake, where they found his burned-out pickup last week.
It's believed that Dorner broke into a house near where his truck was found and tied two people up.
About mid-day Tuesday, wardens from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife spotted a purple Nissan car that had been reported stolen, department spokesman Lt. Patrick Foy said. The wardens recognized the driver as someone matching Dorner's description.
They pursued the driver and briefly lost him when he turned onto a side road. Three other wardens in two vehicles turned onto the road a short time later, and were searching for the car when they saw a white pickup truck driving toward them erratically and at a high rate of speed.
Wardens got a close look at the driver and realized it was Dorner, who rolled down his window and opened fire, Foy said.
The wildlife vehicle was hit numerous times, and one of the wardens was able to get out and fire at the driver, who escaped on foot after crashing his truck.
After holing up in the cabin, there was a second gunbattle with San Bernardino County deputies, two of whom were shot. One died and the other was expected to live after undergoing surgery.
"We're heartbroken," Big Bear Lake Mayor Jay Obernolte said of the deputy's death and the wounding of his colleague. "Words can't express how grateful we are for the sacrifice those men have made in defense of the community, and our thoughts and prayers are with them and their families."
The man believed to be Dorner never came out of the cabin, and a single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.
Earlier, a SWAT team surrounded the cabin and used an armored vehicle to break out the cabin windows, the official said. The officers then pumped a gas into the cabin and blasted a message over a loudspeaker: "Surrender or come out."
The armored vehicle then tore down each of the cabin's four walls, like peeling back the layers of an onion, the official said.
Police say Dorner began his run on Feb. 6 after they connected the slayings of a former police captain's daughter and her fiance with an angry Facebook rant they said he posted. Threats against the LAPD led officials to assign officers to protect officers and their families.
Within hours of the release of photos of the 6-foot, 270-pounder described as armed and "extremely dangerous," police say, Dorner unsuccessfully tried to steal a boat in San Diego to flee to Mexico and opened fire on two patrol cars in Riverside County, shooting three officers and killing one.
Jumpy officers guarding one of the targets named in the rant shot and injured two women delivering newspapers Thursday in Torrance because they mistook their pickup truck for Dorner's.
Police found weapons and camping gear inside the charred truck in Big Bear. Helicopters using heat-seeking technology searched the forest from above while scores of officers, some using bloodhounds, scoured the ground and checked hundreds of vacation cabins — many vacant this time of year — in the area.
A snowstorm hindered the search and may have helped cover his tracks, though authorities were hopeful he would leave fresh footprints if hiding in the wilderness.
Dorner's anger with the department dated back at least five years, when he was fired for filing a false report accusing his training officer of kicking a mentally ill suspect. Dorner, who is black, claimed in the rant that he was the subject of racism by the department and fired for doing the right thing.
He said he would get even with those who wronged him as part of his plan to reclaim his good name.
"You're going to see what a whistleblower can do when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!" the rant said. "You have awoken a sleeping giant."
Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed the allegations in the rant, said he reopened the investigation into his firing — not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which long had a fractured relationship with police that has improved in recent years.
One of the targets listed in the manifesto was former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan, who represented Dorner before the disciplinary board. Dorner claimed he put the interests of the department above his.
The first victims were Quan's daughter, Monica Quan, 28, a college basketball coach, and her fiance, Keith Lawrence, 27. They were shot multiple times in their car in a parking garage near their Orange County condo.
Dorner served in the Navy, earning a rifle marksman ribbon and pistol expert medal. He was assigned to a naval undersea warfare unit and various aviation training units, according to military records. He took leave from the LAPD for a six-month deployment to Bahrain in 2006 and 2007.
He left the service on Feb. 1.
Copyright 2013 The Associated Press.
It is Ash Wednesday and least Christopher Dorner quit smoking and got that little bit of ash on his forehead to show his faith...Â
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@Dr. Rawdog Sir, do you even know what a 'burner' is? Mistaken shootings happen more in the civilian world than they do in the police world. Fortunately we have the U.S. Supreme Court to sort it all out...
BEST news all week! Rot in hell you monster!
"At the concerted signal the storming party moved quickly to the door and commenced the attack. The fire engines within the house had been placed by the besieged close to the doors. The doors were fastened by ropes, the spring of which prevented their being broken by the blows of the hammers. The men were therefore ordered to drop the hammers, and, with a portion of the reserve, to use as a battering-ram a heavy ladder, with which they dashed in a part of the door and gave admittance to the storming party."Â ... no, wait. That was Colonel Robert E. Lee, USA, on the capture of John Brown.
Seriously? Charred remains of the body, but his drivers license was intact? Is anyone fact checking on that?
 @Chuck Coons well, there is one way It can survive..I have seen it once when we were cleaning up a mess in a camp ground up at MT hood.
 @Chuck Coons It would have to be in a leather wallet. and a thick one at that.
@lee986321Â @Chuck Coons Well from the reports it sounds like it was laying next to him. So I guess his last thought while choking to death in the smoke & fire was to lay his drivers license next to himself. Maybe it was in an Aluma-Wallet?
 @Chuck Coons Or it could have been one of those metal Wallets that use to protect from RFID being read. those are the only 2 plausible conclusions I can come up with.
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"Jim, He is dead"
Too bad he burned on Earth. He deserved to burn in Hell.
So the LAPD pull a Waco and burn the cabin to the ground. The police know full well tear gas canisters routinely start fires. Funny how there is audio of them talking about (intentionally) burning it down.
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He's murdered 4 people and has vowed to take out many more. Does it really matter how they kill him? If a sniper had a clear shot and they'd said "shoot him" would you care? Why does the weapon used matter? You use whatever weapon that is available and will work.
 @Scotty9  @axpman well while I agree with you on that, use of fire has always been and will always be used as a weapon. it is how sieges are won..or sometimes lost.
 @Scotty9 Except in this case the police weren't 100% certain it was him.
@axpman @Scotty9 True, only 99.999% certain. and even if it wasn't him, whoever it was had already shot and killed 1 officer and was continuing to fire and refusing to surrender. deadly force not only authorized but necessary.
@axpman I would've been fine with them using napalm.......
 @Jeepers  @axpman That's bad for the environment. I was expecting a cruise missile, or an A-10 strike.
ok confused.. cabin's to hot..but they tear walls down using armored rigs...???
 @lee986321 link?
 @str1ngb3nd3r The armored vehicle then tore down each of the cabin's four walls, like peeling back the layers of an onion, the official said
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 @lee986321 If its not the right body, then they just committed murder.
 @str1ngb3nd3r sksk
 @str1ngb3nd3r you know what police say about guilty party.
those who are guilty keep changing there story...
 @str1ngb3nd3r if body was found then say we have yet to id it, don't hide it...I bet something was said of the scanner and some one reported what they heard of the scanner...well it is getting late..I do not think LAPD has changed.
 @str1ngb3nd3r I hate double talk..what do they have to hide if they found a body then better to say the
 @str1ngb3nd3r double talk..
 @lee986321 The official later told the AP that a charred body was found in the burned cabin and reiterated that even after Los Angeles and San Bernardino authorities disputed it in news conferences.
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 @str1ngb3nd3r isn't that tampering with a crime scene?
I hope the lost deputie's family receives a gigantic financial compensation for this!
@Kate why?
 @TreeWizard  'Cause he was killed in the line of duty after the LAPD and California's Finest failed to catch the guy?
Ok, now that I have killed everything, There is no way any one could have escaped what occurred. Simply put, the only way to have left that area, would be well something they haven't invented yet like some kind of cloaking bullet proof suit.
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How on earth could some one miss that big of a target would be unbelievable. He can't out run a bullet, a chopper in the air would see him..and to be frank I think he killed himself. Unless of coarse that one final shot was to throw every one off thinking he was dead. Maybe he got all shot up and then got burned to a crisp. all I know is that there is no way, any one could walk away from that. and if he did, heads need to roll and California needs some new officers . I jsut can not help but think, that any one could be fool enough to fail to see him.. Unless some one on the force aided his escape.
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I firmly believe that he is dead in the cabin..He is not Superman. He could not have survived that.
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If he survived that with out getting a bullet, then hey.. by all means..be my guest...
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But I have good reason to believe he is dead. can any one tell me how he can not be dead?
to think he made it out alive..That would be stating Aliens exist here on earth.
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HE is Dead..He can not have lived..what are the odds of surviving fire and Gun fire?
In the movies ok that happens..In real life..it does not.
This man is Dead.
If any one thinks he is alive, lets debate how he possibly could pull it off.. If he is dead.. then, there is no need for debate.
 @lee986321 Glad you finally caught up with the rest of us.
 @JTesla how about you , do you think he is dead or alive?
 @str1ngb3nd3r well, i see they updated the story..they now admit to using armored vehicles for "peeling away the walls"..now if they ran over him...and there stating to hot?
 @lee986321 I don't see any resemblance.
 @str1ngb3nd3r this guy never made the story
Christopher Dorner look-alike is the most cautious guy in Los Angeles
http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-look-alike-wears-t-shirt-saying-not-to-shoot-him
 @str1ngb3nd3r But you do bring up a point..Did Donor Possibly have PTSD?
 @str1ngb3nd3r any one with PTSD has the potential to become a threat to society, be they a soldier or not. that is all I have to say on the matter..
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 @str1ngb3nd3r Vets with PTSD..No one will ever know the hell of PTSD unless they live it..and not just vets have it. People severely abused can have it as well. people witnessing a horrific crime, or accident on first hand account can squire PTSD.. Trust me.. its something one does not want. I have seen first hand at what it does.
 @str1ngb3nd3r It means that the tipping point of lies , hiding things, and fracking with peoples lives will have serious consequences. nd if this is the beginning.. then.. I dare not say more.
 @str1ngb3nd3r if this is the case, then, were in a boat load of trouble.
 @str1ngb3nd3r No, I was just discharged from service with an RE 3 with some wierd Erroneous/uncharacteristic Discharge, so I know a little about...getting fracked for no reason.. I know what happens when people mess with paper work for there personal gain with out regards for others..I ahd a recurring Sergent that did it to me.. this Story..just brings to light at the goings on..
yea, it just does not happen in the police force it happens in all areas of government.
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And yes, He was a captain.. I do not condone his methods. But his actions confuse me.. Why take out the people he did.
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I am not sure what is scarier.. Him.. or every one else that might be out there that have been wronged.
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 @lee986321 I'm not defending his actions...just would like to know the truth about why his actions caused him to be dismissed. He's not that stupid to lie about police abuse, or is he...after all you said he was a captain.
 @lee986321 Yeah, but you didn't have to go through what Donor went through...
 @str1ngb3nd3r well, not in this form..I would go killing any one..I shut Naron town in down..with out violence a few years ago. They tried to pin a missing 50 inch projector tv on me..Like really that is going to fit in to a Matador? at any rate I called in the state the sent a not so old elderly woman ( if you get my drift) with cam and such.. at any rate.. the place was shut down.. the person was smoking while preparing food, using food stamps illegally and something to do with prescription drugs which was illegal as well. I didn't go threatening to kill the guy, at any rate... seaching through links on other computer.. there are 4 links to that story you know lol
 @lee986321 I guess it's not a good idea to be a whistleblower if you're an LAPD cop, eh?
 @str1ngb3nd3r oh.. no not hijacking , just trying to figure out where the if part comes in.. and any rate...this whole story has me a little irate.
 @lee986321 Just trying to be considerate in light of Lips, JTesla and Badcat comment about hijacking...thread
 @str1ngb3nd3r or I could speak on this one and the other one using 2 computers/.
 @lee986321 Hey, post on the old article where you last left off, ( tthe cake one...make a post there and I follow you there and we can continue so that others may speak on this article, ok?
 @lee986321 off topic - how the hell do you type so fast...or are you using software?
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 @JTesla I jsut don't know why they don't send sum on in wearing Nomex and vibram souls.
 @str1ngb3nd3r You have no argument from there.
 @lee986321 Quan's death was a bad thing...I'm sure she was a good person.
 @lee986321 God Damn the doctor that pumped your stomach and revived you.
 @str1ngb3nd3r Self Preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago on 1/2/09. I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I refuse to accept that.
 @str1ngb3nd3r and there have been no reports of any one helping him. Unless and the only theory I could come up with is..the person doing the shooting was his "Cover" and it was a distraction. to get people off his rear.
at any rate, His manifesto is now null and void now that he is dead..that is one long wall of text.
 @str1ngb3nd3r Lee can't read. He only knows how to cut & paste clips that disprove his own theories.
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Have you read Donor's manifesto?
http://thecreditreportwithbilllewis.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/christopher-dorner-uncensored-manifesto-of-a-deranged-former-lapd-officer/
 @str1ngb3nd3r In all honesty I can not see the "IF" unless it was some one aiding him.
 @str1ngb3nd3r ok "If" he survived that and got a way, he would have to be the luckiest man on earth, or exceedingly intelligent.. And we all know that criminals are not very smart. they make mistalkes, they slip up, they make errors, they get *Censor " so why then is there an "IF"
 @str1ngb3nd3r This never was a debate. It's a monkey flinging poo.
 @str1ngb3nd3r If leaves room open for him being alive.
 @lee986321 "Like I said this guy is Dead."
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 @lee986321 "If he is dead.. then, there is no need for debate."
 @JTesla Like I said this guy is Dead.
 @JTesla  @lee986321 Bye.  Just can't do it.
 @JTesla I have 450 comments scattered on here. Including one link winch I refer to a "Silencer" in which some said I had no clue as to what I was stalking about.
 So my question stands..If they can not Confirm a target, then why where they shooting? some said a silencer made no difference.. I sated that it did. point in fact, 1 officer dead, and one in the hospital.
So what where they doing shooting blindly?
 @JTesla  @lee986321 Hi.
 @lee986321 Sorry, I'm prevented from answering that fine question by a forum rule that says if only two people are involved in a discussion of 13 or more posts, they must cease and desist until two other people join the conversation.
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I don't write the rules, I just follow them. I could have sworn I read that somewhere.
 @JTesla And what ever happened to verify your target before shooting?
 @lee986321 Scroll down and re-read your own posts. Then you'll understand.
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No, you probably won't, but it would be a good exercise for you.
 @JTesla I apologize on my grouchy behavior.
 @JTesla and there won't be much of a body to "confirm"
 @JTesla The ranger ID him, he was hiding in there..Who in Hell else would shoot at the police? Mary Popins?
 @JTesla I know what the hell confirmed means don't go telling me I don't understand... OK! Don't play me like that.. really getting sick of it.
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 @lee986321 No they said that it couldn't be confirmed. You didn't understand what that meant so you filled in the blanks with something you did understand.
 @JTesla I knew he was dead, but they on then ews keep saying he might be alive..
 @lee986321 I thought he was dead hours ago, why it took you this long to come to the same conclusion is... well it's to be expected now.
When I Say "I killed " I am speaking of all feeds from other stations other then KATU.