GOP eyes changes to Electoral College

BOSTON (AP) - After back-to-back presidential losses, Republicans in key states want to change the rules to make it easier for them to win.
From Wisconsin to Pennsylvania, GOP officials who control legislatures in states that supported President Barack Obama are considering changing state laws that give the winner of a state's popular vote all of its Electoral College votes, too. Instead, these officials want Electoral College votes to be divided proportionally, a move that could transform the way the country elects its president.
Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus endorsed the idea this week, and other Republican leaders support it, too, suggesting that the effort may be gaining momentum. There are other signs that Republican state legislators, governors and veteran political strategists are seriously considering making the shift as the GOP looks to rebound from presidential candidate Mitt Romney's Electoral College shellacking and the demographic changes that threaten the party's long-term political prospects.
"It's something that a lot of states that have been consistently blue that are fully controlled red ought to be looking at," Priebus told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, emphasizing that each state must decide for itself.
Democrats are outraged at the potential change.
Obama won the popular vote with 65.9 million votes, or 51.1 percent, to Romney's 60.9 million, or 47.2 percent, and won the Electoral College by a wide margin, 332-206 electoral votes. It's unclear whether he would have been re-elected under the new system, depending upon how many states adopted the change.
While some Republican officials warn of a political backlash, GOP lawmakers in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are already lining up behind proposals that would allocate electoral votes by congressional district or something similar.
Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he "could go either way" on the change and doesn't plan to push it. But he said it's a reasonable issue to debate and that he prefers that leaders discuss it well before the next presidential election.
"It could be done in a thoughtful (way) over the next couple years and people can have a thoughtful discussion," Snyder said.
Republican leaders in the Michigan Statehouse have yet to decide whether to embrace the change there. But state Rep. Peter Lund, a Republican who introduced a bill to change the allocation system two years ago, said some Republicans might be more receptive to his bill this year following the election.
"We never really pushed it before," he said, adding that the bill wasn't designed to help one party more than the other.
Democrats aren't convinced. And they warned of political consequences for Republicans who back the shift - particularly those governors up for re-election in 2014, who include the governors of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, among others.
"This is nothing more than election-rigging," said Michigan Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer.
Each state has the authority to shape its own election law. And in at least seven states - Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida and North Carolina - Republicans control both chambers of the state legislature and the governor's office.
Already, Maine and Nebraska have moved away from a winner-take-all system to one that allocates electoral votes based on congressional district.
"This is a concept that's got a lot of possibility and a lot of potential," said Washington-based Republican strategist Phil Musser, acknowledging that the debate would "incite different levels of partisan acrimony." Musser also predicted that more pressing economic issues would likely take priority in most Republican-led statehouses.
In Pennsylvania, Senate Republican leader Dominic Pileggi this week renewed his call for the Republican-controlled Legislature to revamp the way it awards electoral votes by using a method based on the popular vote that would have given Romney eight of the state's 20 votes.
Democrats quickly criticized it as partisan scheme.
"It is difficult to find the words to describe just how evil this plan is," said Pennsylvania state Sen. Daylin Leach, a Democrat. "It is an obscene scheme to cheat by rigging the elections."
Gov. Tom Corbett, who supported a related proposal from Pileggi last year, had not seen the new plan and could not say whether he supports the new version, the Republican governor's spokesman Kevin Harley said.
In Wisconsin, Republican Gov. Scott Walker has said that changing how electoral votes are allocated was an "interesting idea" but that it's not one of his priorities, nor has he decided whether he supports such a change.
It's gotten a lukewarm reception in the Republican-controlled Legislature as well. No proposal has been introduced yet and no lawmaker has announced any plans to do so, but the state Assembly speaker, Robin Vos, first proposed the change back in 2007.
"I am open to that idea," Vos said in December as lawmakers prepared for the start of their session. "But I would have to hear all the arguments."
All 10 of the state's Electoral College votes went to Obama last fall under the current system. If they were awarded based on the new system, the votes would have been evenly split between Obama and Romney.
Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett sent an email plea urging people to sign a petition against the change: "We can't sit silently by as they try to manipulate the democratic process for political advantage," Barrett wrote. "We can't let them attack the very democratic institutions and rights that others have sacrificed so much to gain - just because they don't believe they can win in a fair election fight."
So far, Republicans have only advocated for the change in states that have supported Democrats in recent elections. The view is predictably different in states where the Republican nominee is a cinch to win.
"The Electoral College has served the country quite well," said Louisiana GOP Chairman Roger Villere, who doubles as a national party vice chairman.
He continued: "This is coming from states where it might be an advantage, but I'm worried about what it means down the road. This is a system that has worked. That doesn't mean we can't talk about changes, but we have to be very careful about any actions we might take."
From Wisconsin to Pennsylvania, GOP officials who control legislatures in states that supported President Barack Obama are considering changing state laws that give the winner of a state's popular vote all of its Electoral College votes, too. Instead, these officials want Electoral College votes to be divided proportionally, a move that could transform the way the country elects its president.
Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus endorsed the idea this week, and other Republican leaders support it, too, suggesting that the effort may be gaining momentum. There are other signs that Republican state legislators, governors and veteran political strategists are seriously considering making the shift as the GOP looks to rebound from presidential candidate Mitt Romney's Electoral College shellacking and the demographic changes that threaten the party's long-term political prospects.
"It's something that a lot of states that have been consistently blue that are fully controlled red ought to be looking at," Priebus told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, emphasizing that each state must decide for itself.
Democrats are outraged at the potential change.
Obama won the popular vote with 65.9 million votes, or 51.1 percent, to Romney's 60.9 million, or 47.2 percent, and won the Electoral College by a wide margin, 332-206 electoral votes. It's unclear whether he would have been re-elected under the new system, depending upon how many states adopted the change.
While some Republican officials warn of a political backlash, GOP lawmakers in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are already lining up behind proposals that would allocate electoral votes by congressional district or something similar.
Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he "could go either way" on the change and doesn't plan to push it. But he said it's a reasonable issue to debate and that he prefers that leaders discuss it well before the next presidential election.
"It could be done in a thoughtful (way) over the next couple years and people can have a thoughtful discussion," Snyder said.
Republican leaders in the Michigan Statehouse have yet to decide whether to embrace the change there. But state Rep. Peter Lund, a Republican who introduced a bill to change the allocation system two years ago, said some Republicans might be more receptive to his bill this year following the election.
"We never really pushed it before," he said, adding that the bill wasn't designed to help one party more than the other.
Democrats aren't convinced. And they warned of political consequences for Republicans who back the shift - particularly those governors up for re-election in 2014, who include the governors of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, among others.
"This is nothing more than election-rigging," said Michigan Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer.
Each state has the authority to shape its own election law. And in at least seven states - Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida and North Carolina - Republicans control both chambers of the state legislature and the governor's office.
Already, Maine and Nebraska have moved away from a winner-take-all system to one that allocates electoral votes based on congressional district.
"This is a concept that's got a lot of possibility and a lot of potential," said Washington-based Republican strategist Phil Musser, acknowledging that the debate would "incite different levels of partisan acrimony." Musser also predicted that more pressing economic issues would likely take priority in most Republican-led statehouses.
In Pennsylvania, Senate Republican leader Dominic Pileggi this week renewed his call for the Republican-controlled Legislature to revamp the way it awards electoral votes by using a method based on the popular vote that would have given Romney eight of the state's 20 votes.
Democrats quickly criticized it as partisan scheme.
"It is difficult to find the words to describe just how evil this plan is," said Pennsylvania state Sen. Daylin Leach, a Democrat. "It is an obscene scheme to cheat by rigging the elections."
Gov. Tom Corbett, who supported a related proposal from Pileggi last year, had not seen the new plan and could not say whether he supports the new version, the Republican governor's spokesman Kevin Harley said.
In Wisconsin, Republican Gov. Scott Walker has said that changing how electoral votes are allocated was an "interesting idea" but that it's not one of his priorities, nor has he decided whether he supports such a change.
It's gotten a lukewarm reception in the Republican-controlled Legislature as well. No proposal has been introduced yet and no lawmaker has announced any plans to do so, but the state Assembly speaker, Robin Vos, first proposed the change back in 2007.
"I am open to that idea," Vos said in December as lawmakers prepared for the start of their session. "But I would have to hear all the arguments."
All 10 of the state's Electoral College votes went to Obama last fall under the current system. If they were awarded based on the new system, the votes would have been evenly split between Obama and Romney.
Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett sent an email plea urging people to sign a petition against the change: "We can't sit silently by as they try to manipulate the democratic process for political advantage," Barrett wrote. "We can't let them attack the very democratic institutions and rights that others have sacrificed so much to gain - just because they don't believe they can win in a fair election fight."
So far, Republicans have only advocated for the change in states that have supported Democrats in recent elections. The view is predictably different in states where the Republican nominee is a cinch to win.
"The Electoral College has served the country quite well," said Louisiana GOP Chairman Roger Villere, who doubles as a national party vice chairman.
He continued: "This is coming from states where it might be an advantage, but I'm worried about what it means down the road. This is a system that has worked. That doesn't mean we can't talk about changes, but we have to be very careful about any actions we might take."
The national popular vote should be what elects the president.
That picture of Reince Priebus looks just like the used car sales guys my dad used to warn me about.
I think that would be a fair way to assign electoral college votes. And if there were ever three parties, they should also be included, all proportionally assigned. Either that, or leave it to the direct popular vote to decide.
 @jpk Keep dreaming. I like the idea, but neither party would let it happen in nationwide.Â
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For example, In OR, CA and WA the DNC will push back against the idea. They count on metro areas deciding national elections for the electoral college of several states (OR among them). For example, in the 2012 elections, Barack Obama received 970,488 votes, or 54.24%
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Oregon has 7 EC votes. Using a parted out voting award, Obama would have gotten 4, and Mitt would have received 3.Â
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Now, do that math nationwide and the race changes. Which, is why the DNC wants no part of it.Â
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Of course, if such a system would provide an advantage to the DNC, the GOP would oppose it. Such is the nature of our two party system. The other point to be made is that under such a system, 3rd party candidates could also receive electoral votes awarded to them. Which is why the GOP is only pushing for it in select states, and I flat-out guarantee that the wording of any proposed changes would have a threshold that a candidate would need to meet (which, coincidentially would be just a bit more than any 3rd party candidates did receive) in order to be awarded votes.Â
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I think it's a good idea, but only if its done in ALL STATES. It would at least move the race closer to being based on the popular vote, which is how it should be. Although, I'm pretty sure the Repubs wouldn't like my idea of it being EVERYWHERE, because they would have still lost the presidency last fall.
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 @OSUx2 Or, we could just get rid of the electoral college altogether. Back in the 1800's when Ma and Pa couldn't make it into town from the farm  to vote there was a reason for it. That reason has expired, and been replaced by wholesale manipulation by the two party monopoly in federal government.Â
I'd be all for that. The EC is a complete waste of time, anymore. Might actually get some attention when they see even 10% of the national popular vote went to non-R or non-D's.
Of course, in this two party system that we have, where the two parties both stink (just perhaps in varying degrees of stench), it doesn't really matter who wins the Presidency. The middle class is screwed either way.
Republicans are the cheaters!!
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So many on here say that would be a win for dems....ah, reread......"key states want to change"....not ALL states....so here we go again, the republiCONs want to "cheat to win", you know, like for uncle ronny and twice for the village idiot ! !
I like how the RNC opts to look at changing the system rather than examining the real reason for losing and altering their platform and approach.
If you canât win the game change the rules. The RNC should hire Lance Armstrong as an advisor.
 @JTesla Wouldn't happen. The RNC would never want someone around with more balls than they do.
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Someone on Gawker pointed out the greatest thing about Reince Priebus. If you remove all of the vowels from his name, you are left with RNC PR BS.
HA ! great one and true too !
 @Max Quinn ~  That IS funny..!  Wonder how long is took somebody to figure that one out..!  :-)
@Max Quinn  thats funny.......
If every state goes to proportional representation in the Electoral College, that's pretty much it for Republican presidents. Since 2000, the Republicans have won the popular vote once.Â
 @Max Quinn They don't want it in every state, only the ones where it would give them an advantage.  Sort of like the way they redid districts to hold onto control in the House.  Every time I think the Republican party can sink no further, I'm proven wrong.  My grandfather, the Republican banker from the old school is absolutely spinning in his grave.
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Absolutely. The thinking that they can win using this tactic will end up costing us ALL.
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Proportional voting is about the only thing keeping Republicans in power and if they do away with it, it means the end of anyone but Democrats for a long time.
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I don't think that is positive for the US.
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 @Repoman I do. Being a Democrat, I know that the Dems will screw it up. Doing away with the Electoral College might give some other parties a chance.
@Max Quinn If every state goes proportional in the Electoral College there wouldn't need to be an electoral college.
 @I812 Exactly.
While the Electoral College is tradition, perhaps its usefulness as a levening agent has been outlived.Â
 I disagree, its need now as much as ever. Using Oregon for example. In a popular vote only scenario, policy would be dictated by the Portland Metro area. The rest of the state wouldn't have a chance. I think its actually a good idea to micro down further from the state level to the district level.
 @Leroy Jenkins >' In a popular vote only scenario, policy would be dictated by the Portland Metro area. "
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Umm.... I don't know how to break this to you, but the PMA already DOES dictate elections for the state of OR. Federal and State elections.Â
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Because the peoples republic of Portland does not have 1/2 of the states population, the argument could be made that doing away with the electoral college would make it less likely that the PMA would decide OR federal elections.Â
@Leroy Jenkins In other words, you don't support majority rules.
Idle whining? or pure comedic brilliance?
I thought they wanted to Electoral College after the 2000 victory of Bush winning the Electoral College, but losing the popular vote.
I am all for changing the presidential vote to a popular vote despite these two words..... President Gore
You mean you wouldn't have a "do over" after experiencing the "village idiot" fiasco of ignoring PDB's, defunding ALL the regulatory agencies on finance, 2 unfunded OFF BUDGET wars that only pushed the "IOU's" onto the next admin AND the economic killer tax breaks for the ubber wealthy....really, REALLY ?
If they are going to do anything to the Electoral College, get rid of it completely. We should go strictly by the popular vote.Â
what a bunch of sore losers... didn't win so they want to change the rules... they are like my father-in-law when playing rummy, changes the rules when he is losing and then conveniently forgets these changes when it would benefit others and make him lose.
This will backfire.
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Democrats win in urban, high population areas where Republicans win in low population areas. The more districts in an area, the likely the higher density of the population is. Thus one could argue the more Democratic it is.
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The more you make the vote about the general population, and less about the balance of population and statehood, the more advantage you give to the Democratic party.
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Breaking up the electoral college might seem like an idea to help republicans, but it will likely help democrats. Less populated areas won't get any representation, and the state as a hole my be ignored by both candidates knowing that there is less to win there than in a single place like Florida.
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@Repoman  IMHO, changing from EC to popular vote wouldn't change anthing you mentioned.Â
The idea of the EC was to force candidates to visit more of the country vs just concentrate in the big cities. Well, this last election the candidates didn't even do that..... they just concentrated in the few battleground states and for the most part ignored the rest of the country.
 @kramr >'The idea of the EC was to force candidates to visit more of the country vs just concentrate in the big cities.  '
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True we are mostly ignored, but if we go to a "popular vote" it will be exponentially worse.
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Think of this, more than 50% of the population lives in Texas, California and New York.
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30% live in California and New York alone.
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Thus Democrats need only to get Ohio, or Illinois and they win.
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Republicans would need to get every other state plus split Ohio AND Illinois to win.
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If i ewer Republican (and I am not) or even a person who likes the idea the presidency changes partied no less often than once every three election cycles (and I do), then I would NOT want a popular vote nation wide.
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