Lawmakers doing more finger-pointing than problem-solving on budget

WASHINGTON (AP) - Just about everyone in official Washington is in agreement that big across-the-board spending cuts at the Pentagon and throughout domestic federal programs on March 1 are a bad idea.
So far, however, the warring tribes in the nation's capital seem more interested in finger-pointing than problem-solving.
Top House Republicans have embarked on a PR campaign reminding the public that the idea for the across-the-board cuts originated in Obama's White House.
Senate Democrats are preparing a bill to substitute about $120 billion in alternative deficit cuts over 10 years and prevent the automatic cuts - in Washington parlance, a sequester - through the end of calendar 2013. Its biggest component is a $47 billion tax increase on the rich; that is sure to prompt a GOP filibuster, probably successful, that will give Democrats political cover - and ammo.
"We again find ourselves in sad and familiar territory," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. "Democrats sit on their hands until the last minute. Then they offer some gimmicky bill designed to fail."
Then there's President Barack Obama. He appeared before reporters at the White House last week to urge lawmakers to come up with a short-term plan to avoid the sequester. But Obama offered nothing specific, even though there are plenty of options at the ready after several recent rounds of failed Washington budget negotiations.
House Republicans do not have a plan to shut off the cuts and instead point to a spending cut bill that passed twice last year, most recently by a slender 215-209 vote in December. The GOP now controls eight fewer seats in the House and there's hardening sentiment among some tea party Republicans to allow the automatic cuts to take effect. It's not clear whether GOP leaders like Speaker John Boehner of Ohio could muster enough support to stop them.
The Senate bill would replace the automatic spending cuts with a tax increase patterned after the so-called Buffett Rule, which would require people with million-dollar incomes to pay a minimum 30 percent income tax. The rule is named after billionaire Warren Buffett, who championed it on the grounds that it wasn't fair for his secretary to pay a higher effective tax rate than him. That's because taxes on most earned or wage income are generally higher than taxes on investments.
The Buffett rule was a wedge issue in last year's campaign and was rejected by Senate Republicans in April. It's sure to prompt Republicans to scuttle the upcoming Democratic bill in a filibuster vote expected to be held just days before the cuts take effect March 1.
Republicans say the moment calls for presidential leadership.
"The president warned of grave economic consequences if the sequester were to go into effect, but he didn't announce any specific plans for how he would address it," Boehner told reporters last week. "He didn't bother to actually outline how he would replace the sequester that he suggested and insisted upon."
Senior White House aide Jason Furman said last week that any short-term plan should include "a balanced combination of spending and revenue measures." He would not elaborate. Nor have Obama and Boehner talked recently, other than pleasantries at the inauguration. Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., haven't been in touch either, even as the cuts loom ever closer.
The idea for the sequester came from the White House during negotiations in the summer of 2011 to increase the government's borrowing cap. Then, the White House pushed it as a way to avoid a second vote to increase debt limit that would have occurred in the middle of Obama's re-election campaign.
Whatever their reservations, top Republicans voted for the idea.
The sequester was intended to be so harsh that its prospect would drive a deficit-cutting "supercommittee" created by those talks toward an agreement. It did not.
The cuts were originally due to hit Jan. 1 but lawmakers gave themselves a two-month reprieve in last month's deal to avert the so-called fiscal cliff.
Many Republicans see the prospect of the sequester as their best chance to force Obama to agree to cuts in government benefit programs like Medicare, and some tea party Republicans are willing to absorb the sequester cuts if he won't go along. GOP leaders across the board say they won't agree to tax increases demanded by Democrats as part of any solution.
Obama carries the power of his office and the fact that he's more popular with the public than Capitol Hill Republicans into the battle. So Republicans already have been working overtime to remind voters that the sequester idea came from Obama's administration. Still, blaming the president for something some GOP members are embracing promises to be a tightrope exercise for Republican leaders.
So far, however, the warring tribes in the nation's capital seem more interested in finger-pointing than problem-solving.
Top House Republicans have embarked on a PR campaign reminding the public that the idea for the across-the-board cuts originated in Obama's White House.
Senate Democrats are preparing a bill to substitute about $120 billion in alternative deficit cuts over 10 years and prevent the automatic cuts - in Washington parlance, a sequester - through the end of calendar 2013. Its biggest component is a $47 billion tax increase on the rich; that is sure to prompt a GOP filibuster, probably successful, that will give Democrats political cover - and ammo.
"We again find ourselves in sad and familiar territory," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. "Democrats sit on their hands until the last minute. Then they offer some gimmicky bill designed to fail."
Then there's President Barack Obama. He appeared before reporters at the White House last week to urge lawmakers to come up with a short-term plan to avoid the sequester. But Obama offered nothing specific, even though there are plenty of options at the ready after several recent rounds of failed Washington budget negotiations.
House Republicans do not have a plan to shut off the cuts and instead point to a spending cut bill that passed twice last year, most recently by a slender 215-209 vote in December. The GOP now controls eight fewer seats in the House and there's hardening sentiment among some tea party Republicans to allow the automatic cuts to take effect. It's not clear whether GOP leaders like Speaker John Boehner of Ohio could muster enough support to stop them.
The Senate bill would replace the automatic spending cuts with a tax increase patterned after the so-called Buffett Rule, which would require people with million-dollar incomes to pay a minimum 30 percent income tax. The rule is named after billionaire Warren Buffett, who championed it on the grounds that it wasn't fair for his secretary to pay a higher effective tax rate than him. That's because taxes on most earned or wage income are generally higher than taxes on investments.
The Buffett rule was a wedge issue in last year's campaign and was rejected by Senate Republicans in April. It's sure to prompt Republicans to scuttle the upcoming Democratic bill in a filibuster vote expected to be held just days before the cuts take effect March 1.
Republicans say the moment calls for presidential leadership.
"The president warned of grave economic consequences if the sequester were to go into effect, but he didn't announce any specific plans for how he would address it," Boehner told reporters last week. "He didn't bother to actually outline how he would replace the sequester that he suggested and insisted upon."
Senior White House aide Jason Furman said last week that any short-term plan should include "a balanced combination of spending and revenue measures." He would not elaborate. Nor have Obama and Boehner talked recently, other than pleasantries at the inauguration. Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., haven't been in touch either, even as the cuts loom ever closer.
The idea for the sequester came from the White House during negotiations in the summer of 2011 to increase the government's borrowing cap. Then, the White House pushed it as a way to avoid a second vote to increase debt limit that would have occurred in the middle of Obama's re-election campaign.
Whatever their reservations, top Republicans voted for the idea.
The sequester was intended to be so harsh that its prospect would drive a deficit-cutting "supercommittee" created by those talks toward an agreement. It did not.
The cuts were originally due to hit Jan. 1 but lawmakers gave themselves a two-month reprieve in last month's deal to avert the so-called fiscal cliff.
Many Republicans see the prospect of the sequester as their best chance to force Obama to agree to cuts in government benefit programs like Medicare, and some tea party Republicans are willing to absorb the sequester cuts if he won't go along. GOP leaders across the board say they won't agree to tax increases demanded by Democrats as part of any solution.
Obama carries the power of his office and the fact that he's more popular with the public than Capitol Hill Republicans into the battle. So Republicans already have been working overtime to remind voters that the sequester idea came from Obama's administration. Still, blaming the president for something some GOP members are embracing promises to be a tightrope exercise for Republican leaders.
So, what you're telling me is that the GOP blames the DNC and vice-versa. And that the end result of this partisan ideological logjam is that nothing is getting done in Washington, DC?
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'Lawmakers doing more finger-pointing than problem-solving on budget'
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What are the odds of Obama saying anything about his gang problem? Will he announce that most gang members look like they could have been his son? He may as well. Most of what Obama will say is just rhetorical bs anyway. Nothing of any substance, no concrete plan, no budget, and no reductions in spending. But he will, without a doubt, blame the coming "sequester" on the Congress. Even though the idea originated in his administration, Obama will lie, and blame the Congress. If Obama takes credit for the sequester, I'll apologize on this page, and -never- comment again.
Flat tax: Everyone's favorite number seems to be 15% and the logic is that you pay 15% of your income, no deductions.
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In the previous election, Willard's effective tax rate hovered around 14%. So the flat tax won't mean much to him. But for a family of 4 living off of $40,000, it will be an effective tax increase.
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Also, wage earners are subject to withholding - the IRS tracks what you make and "helps" you meet your tax burden paycheck-by-paycheck. First, I don't understand the notion that suddenly the IRS will be disbanded because of a flat tax. Also, income from investments and other non-wage compensation are not subject to such assistance - without such tracking, we rely on the honor of the taxpayer and his tax attorneys (which he can afford) to tell us what his income is. If you think this is a small matter, um.... I'd argue differently.
@Max Quinn    """"""In the previous election, Willard's effective tax rate hovered around 14%. So the flat tax won't mean much to him. But for a family of 4 living off of $40,000, it will be an effective tax increase.""""""
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I don't know what version of the flat tax you are talking about.... but the version put out by Steve Forbes,  a  family would NOT start paying federal taxes until $25-$35k a year so NO they would not be paying any more.
The Forbes flat tax is slightly progressive in that  an individual earning $20K would pay no taxes, someone earning $40k would about half the flat tax rate (effective rate) and someone making $80K would pay about 3/4 the flat tax rate and so on.
I may be off a bit on the numbers, but I think I pretty close.
 @kramr Then it's not really a flat tax, is it?
 @Max Quinn A true and fairly written uniform tax code would be the best way to solve a myriad of problems that currently exist with regards to governmental income. Another would be dedicated source funding (as in, Soc Sec taxes are only spend on Soc Security). And yet another would be the elimination of so called 'earmark' spending.Â
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What do all three of these proposals have in common?
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None of them have a snowballs chance in hades of becoming law. Two realities come into play with either. The influence of money on washington, and (as Samuel Clemmons so wisely quipped) the fundamental problem with laws is they are written by lawyers.Â
@MarkKpic @Max Quinn  """"""None of them have a snowballs chance in hades of becoming law."""""
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Sadly, that is all too true...... the politicians will never willing give up the kind of power manipulating the tax code gives them.
 @Max Quinn As long as Obamacare is around, the IRS will be around to police it.
 @TimBurr Spectacular, Timmy. Really useful. Thanks.
 @Max Quinn There are a lot of ways to police the money. We can't disband the IRS, but we could reduce it.
As for Mr. Mitty, his numbers are incomplete at best. We know that a lot of his reduction in tax was due to very large charitable donations, and we don't really know about all his investments and their payouts. (Substantial evidence exists that he did a lot of equity trading off shore in order to hide profits when reinvesting, which is NOT illegal currently, but would be under a flat tax scheme.)
 @ShallowEnder  @Max Quinn He has $102 million in his IRA: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/whats-really-going-on-with-mitt-romneys-102-million-ira/261500/
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Under the flat tax scheme as you see it, do IRAs exist?
 @ShallowEnder How about payroll taxes for SS and Medicare? Does the FT replace them? Just curious.
 @Max Quinn I'd say no as a tax deferral vehicle. As an after tax vehicle, there probably isn't any reason for them.
One less layer of complexity, and one less way for the financial industry to rob you.
great video on federal spending......
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ
We still haven't had a budget for the last 2 years...how much are we paying these politicians?
 @portlandborn83 You mean last 4 years...
Instant balanaced budget:
1) Make all federal contracts FIXED PRICE (Bid $10 get paid $10, no "cost overruns"). Instantly cuts federal spending by 22%.
2) Flat 15% tax on all income, no exclusions, exemptions, or deductions. (Both the lefties and the righties just had apoplexy . . . .)
3) Means test Social Security and Medicare. Income over $40,000? you get $0.
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According to three studies, this will balance the budget RIGHT NOW.
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Of course, since the sacred cows of both the left and right are getting gored, it won't happen.
 @ShallowEnder So you just turned social security into more welfare by excluding most of the people who paid into from ever getting anything out. I have always figured I would be means tested out for actually saving 10% of my income from my first job until now for retirement.
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Ya gotta love a country that loves to reward people for not being responsible. Live in an area where you're likely to have your house destroyed by a catastrophe. Don't bother to buy insurance for your largest asset just let the government pay for it when it gets destroyed. After all it appears to be the new American way...
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Canada did put in a 12% sales tax on top of all the other taxes to help the debt and at least some of it made it there...
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I do like making it so everyone pays the same percentage so we all suffer by voting in complete idiots to spend like drunken idiots though. It should hurt everyone having morons running the country but right now it really only hurts about half the people.
 @FreedomRocks So you think people like my father (retired in 1980 having been military for 44 years and died in 2011 having received 279% of what he paid in) are OK? Isn't that welfare for underpaid workers (like USMC,USN,USCG,etc.?) Yes, he also received his Marines pension and the lifetime health care from the VA. And his investments did really well over the years. So he didn't need it. (Which is my point.)
The amounts paid into Social Security don't come close to covering the payouts. If you don't want it means tested, then we need to remove the upper income cap on the social security tax.
So quit Fing with the country and pass a Flat Tax initiative.Â
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Flat tax on wage income, pick a percentage - 15%? Â Everyone pays, period.
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Then to appease the twits who play games in Washington, a separate tax on investment income above $10K/year.
That mimics the graduated tax system the Dems so dearly love
The Repug's can say they preserved the fat cat protections
The little people like us can have something to look forward to by earning more and keeping it (removes the disincentive to excel)
Washington twits can still play games with incentives for pet markets by playing with the investment tax schedules while the government and nation run far more smoothly and fairly by relying on a flat tax.
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Plus we could FIRE almost the entire IRS! Â Glory Day!
@Umhal  I agree, I really like the flat tax.  However I  prefer the fair tax only because it makes it more difficult for the politicians to monkey with the tax structure with their social engineering.
I just don't believe the politicians would  leave the flat tax alone.......... they would just continue with their social engineering like they do today.
And the fair tax would do away with the IRS as well!
Republicans say the moment calls for presidential leadership.
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Well nice to see things haven't changed in D.C.Â
YET.....boehner said "He didn't bother to actually outline how he would replace the sequester that he suggested and insisted upon."
Is it hard to Yell hell no you won't!!
While twiddling your thumbs ????
John says he can......
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"So far, however, the warring tribes in the nation's capital seem more interested in finger-pointing than problem-solving."
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And this is why we are doomed. Some don't consider the debt a problem, some see it very clearly, most will do nothing about it because they want to get reelected.
"Just about everyone in official Washington"
Does this mean that there is also an "unofficial" Washington? Sheesh, even the AP reporters appear to need a brush up on the English language.
As to the story...let the cuts happen. Our Commander of Disaster is never going to do anything to fix this mess we're in. Sometimes you must endure great pains before any meaningful healing can occur.
So after Obama's administration threatens a sequester, now these clowns say it wasn't their ides? BS. Bob Woodard's new book spells it out.Â
 @last boyscout Does it also show how bob took a $450,000 payout by the republicans ??
Thought not....
 @uknow2 Genius. Was the so called payout illegal? Thought not....
Why pass a budget and be limited in how we spend when we could just dilly dally for another 4 years and increase the country's debt by another record $5 trillion.
 @TimBurr Because where would we be as a nation if we could not coddle the corporate ultra world rich.???
America needs to just shut up and say yesum massur tax us and cut Grandma's benefits so the rich can keep their billions...
Oh... and yes we will send our soldiers made poor from the economy in to harms way to defend their corporate interests...
Because this is Corporate America.... I mean America...
Well what ever they call it in D.C....Â
 @uknow2  @TimBurr Oh you mean the ultra rich that pay 50% of the current bill followed by the moderately rich which pay 25% more followed by the well off which pay and 20% leaving about 5% for the other 95% to worry about...Ya lets just bash their heads in a take it all!!!
 @TimBurr ~  ...which is probably just what they'll end up doing...  I think you nailed it, TimBurr...