Legal marijuana vote raises possibility of weed tourism

Hit the slopes - and then a bong?
Marijuana legalization votes this week in Colorado and Washington state don't just set up an epic state-federal showdown on drug law for residents. The measures also open the door for marijuana tourism.
Both marijuana measures make marijuana possession in small amounts OK for all adults over 21 - not just state residents but visitors, too. Tourists may not be able to pack their bowls along with their bags, but as long as out-of-state tourists purchase and use the drug while in Colorado or Washington, they wouldn't violate the marijuana measures.
Of course, that's assuming the recreational marijuana measures take effect at all. That was very much in doubt Friday as the states awaited word on possible lawsuits from the U.S. Department of Justice asserting federal supremacy over drug law.
So the future of marijuana tourism in Colorado and Washington is hazy. But that hasn't stopped rampant speculation, especially in Colorado, where tourism is the No. 2 industry thanks to the Rocky Mountains and a vibrant ski industry.
The day after Colorado approved recreational marijuana by a wide margin, the headline in the Aspen Times asked, "Aspendam?" referring to Amsterdam's marijuana cafes.
Colorado's tourism director, Al White, tried to downplay the prospect of a new marijuana tourism boom.
"It won't be as big a deal as either side hopes or fears," White said.
Maybe not. But many are asking about marijuana tourism.
Ski resorts are "certainly watching it closely," said Jennifer Rudolph of Colorado Ski Country USA, a trade association that represents 21 Colorado resorts.
Any plans for an adults-only après lounge where skiers could get more than an Irish coffee to numb their aches?
"There's a lot that remains to be seen," Rudolph said with a chuckle. "I guess you could say we're waiting for the smoke to clear."
The Colorado counties where big ski resorts are located seem to have made up their minds. The marijuana measure passed by overwhelming margins, with more support than in less visited areas.
The home county of Aspen approved the marijuana measure more than 3-to-1. More than two-thirds approved marijuana in the home county of Colorado's largest ski resort, Vail. The home county of Telluride ski resort gave marijuana legalization its most lopsided victory, nearly 8 in 10 favoring the measure.
"Some folks might come to Colorado to enjoy some marijuana as will be their right. So what?" said Betty Aldworth, advocacy director for the Colorado marijuana campaign.
Washington state already sees a version of marijuana tourism.
Every summer on the shores of the Puget Sound, Seattle is host to "Hempfest," which according to organizers attracted around 250,000 people over three days this year. For those three days, people are largely left alone to smoke publically at a local park, even as police stand by.
"People travel to Seattle from other states and countries to attend Seattle Hempfest every year to experience the limited freedom that happens at the event," said executive director Vivian McPeak. "It's reasonable to assume that people will travel to Washington assuming that the federal government doesn't interfere."
McPeak draw parallels to Amsterdam where an annual "Cannabis Cup" attracts tourists from all over the world and Vancouver, British Columbia, which has lax marijuana rules that have borne marijuana cafes drawing travelers.
Amsterdam's marijuana tourism is in a hazy spot these days, though. The incoming Dutch government suggested a national "weed pass" that would have been available only to residents and that would have effectively banned tourists from Amsterdam's marijuana cafes. The "weed pass" idea was scrapped, but under a provisional governing pact unveiled last week, Dutch cities can bar foreigners from weed shops if they choose.
In Denver, some feared that the Colorado marijuana vote could deter tourists, not to mention business visitors.
"Colorado's brand will be damaged, and we may attract fewer conventions and see a decline in leisure travel," Visit Denver CEO Richard Scharf said in a statement before the vote.
Colorado's governor opposed the measure but said after its passage that he didn't envision marijuana tourism materializing.
"I don't think that's going to happen," Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper said. "They're going to flock here to buy marijuana as if they're going to take it back? On an airplane? That seems unlikely to me."
Colorado's measure specifically bans public use of the drug. But guidelines for commercial sales are still to be worked out. The state's 536 medical marijuana dispensaries are banned from allowing on-site consumption, but lawmakers could set different rules for recreational marijuana shops.
Marijuana backers downplayed the impact on tourism. Aldworth pointed out that pot-smoking tourists wouldn't exactly be new. Colorado ski slopes already are dotted with "smoke shacks," old mining cabins that have been illicitly repurposed as places to smoke pot out of the cold. And the ski resort town of Breckenridge dropped criminal penalties for marijuana use two years ago.
"Some folks come to Colorado and enjoy some marijuana while they are here today," Aldworth said.
The sheriff of the county including Aspen was sanguine about the prospects of pot-smoking visitors.
"For me, it's going to be live and let live. If people want to come to Colorado because pot is legal - and that's the sole reason - it's up to them," Pitkin County Sheriff Joe DiSalvo told The Aspen Times. "I am not the lifestyle police."
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Associated Press reporter Manuel Valdes in Seattle contributed to this report.
Marijuana legalization votes this week in Colorado and Washington state don't just set up an epic state-federal showdown on drug law for residents. The measures also open the door for marijuana tourism.
Both marijuana measures make marijuana possession in small amounts OK for all adults over 21 - not just state residents but visitors, too. Tourists may not be able to pack their bowls along with their bags, but as long as out-of-state tourists purchase and use the drug while in Colorado or Washington, they wouldn't violate the marijuana measures.
Of course, that's assuming the recreational marijuana measures take effect at all. That was very much in doubt Friday as the states awaited word on possible lawsuits from the U.S. Department of Justice asserting federal supremacy over drug law.
So the future of marijuana tourism in Colorado and Washington is hazy. But that hasn't stopped rampant speculation, especially in Colorado, where tourism is the No. 2 industry thanks to the Rocky Mountains and a vibrant ski industry.
The day after Colorado approved recreational marijuana by a wide margin, the headline in the Aspen Times asked, "Aspendam?" referring to Amsterdam's marijuana cafes.
Colorado's tourism director, Al White, tried to downplay the prospect of a new marijuana tourism boom.
"It won't be as big a deal as either side hopes or fears," White said.
Maybe not. But many are asking about marijuana tourism.
Ski resorts are "certainly watching it closely," said Jennifer Rudolph of Colorado Ski Country USA, a trade association that represents 21 Colorado resorts.
Any plans for an adults-only après lounge where skiers could get more than an Irish coffee to numb their aches?
"There's a lot that remains to be seen," Rudolph said with a chuckle. "I guess you could say we're waiting for the smoke to clear."
The Colorado counties where big ski resorts are located seem to have made up their minds. The marijuana measure passed by overwhelming margins, with more support than in less visited areas.
The home county of Aspen approved the marijuana measure more than 3-to-1. More than two-thirds approved marijuana in the home county of Colorado's largest ski resort, Vail. The home county of Telluride ski resort gave marijuana legalization its most lopsided victory, nearly 8 in 10 favoring the measure.
"Some folks might come to Colorado to enjoy some marijuana as will be their right. So what?" said Betty Aldworth, advocacy director for the Colorado marijuana campaign.
Washington state already sees a version of marijuana tourism.
Every summer on the shores of the Puget Sound, Seattle is host to "Hempfest," which according to organizers attracted around 250,000 people over three days this year. For those three days, people are largely left alone to smoke publically at a local park, even as police stand by.
"People travel to Seattle from other states and countries to attend Seattle Hempfest every year to experience the limited freedom that happens at the event," said executive director Vivian McPeak. "It's reasonable to assume that people will travel to Washington assuming that the federal government doesn't interfere."
McPeak draw parallels to Amsterdam where an annual "Cannabis Cup" attracts tourists from all over the world and Vancouver, British Columbia, which has lax marijuana rules that have borne marijuana cafes drawing travelers.
Amsterdam's marijuana tourism is in a hazy spot these days, though. The incoming Dutch government suggested a national "weed pass" that would have been available only to residents and that would have effectively banned tourists from Amsterdam's marijuana cafes. The "weed pass" idea was scrapped, but under a provisional governing pact unveiled last week, Dutch cities can bar foreigners from weed shops if they choose.
In Denver, some feared that the Colorado marijuana vote could deter tourists, not to mention business visitors.
"Colorado's brand will be damaged, and we may attract fewer conventions and see a decline in leisure travel," Visit Denver CEO Richard Scharf said in a statement before the vote.
Colorado's governor opposed the measure but said after its passage that he didn't envision marijuana tourism materializing.
"I don't think that's going to happen," Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper said. "They're going to flock here to buy marijuana as if they're going to take it back? On an airplane? That seems unlikely to me."
Colorado's measure specifically bans public use of the drug. But guidelines for commercial sales are still to be worked out. The state's 536 medical marijuana dispensaries are banned from allowing on-site consumption, but lawmakers could set different rules for recreational marijuana shops.
Marijuana backers downplayed the impact on tourism. Aldworth pointed out that pot-smoking tourists wouldn't exactly be new. Colorado ski slopes already are dotted with "smoke shacks," old mining cabins that have been illicitly repurposed as places to smoke pot out of the cold. And the ski resort town of Breckenridge dropped criminal penalties for marijuana use two years ago.
"Some folks come to Colorado and enjoy some marijuana while they are here today," Aldworth said.
The sheriff of the county including Aspen was sanguine about the prospects of pot-smoking visitors.
"For me, it's going to be live and let live. If people want to come to Colorado because pot is legal - and that's the sole reason - it's up to them," Pitkin County Sheriff Joe DiSalvo told The Aspen Times. "I am not the lifestyle police."
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Associated Press reporter Manuel Valdes in Seattle contributed to this report.
That could have been us as well. Thanks, Oregon, especially the ones who didn't bother to vote.
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Portland has all those food carts and VooDoo doughnuts and chill parks; it would be a great marijuana destination town. I traveled to Amsterdam and I think Portland is better and definitely would be better if we had the "coffee shop" laws like A-dam.
"For me, it's going to be live and let live. If people want to come to Colorado because pot is legal - and that's the sole reason - it's up to them," Pitkin County Sheriff Joe DiSalvo told The Aspen Times. "I am not the lifestyle police."
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Quote of the week. Thank goodness there are people in LE like this guy who sees things straight.
 @brautigan The Seattle Police Dept posted a great blog post about what the vote means in Seattle as well. It was very informative, and pretty funny as well.
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Oh boy, tourist dollars. Wth only one down-side. More drug addicts on the roads and highways.
 @proudoldvet They are not "Drug Addicts"; they are responsible marijuana smokers!
@proudoldvet What a broad incredibly ignorant generalization. I have to worry every day about actions from people like yourself, and you are legal.
 @proudoldvet Yes, but isn't that better than Mexican gangs bringing it into the state? If it dries up their cash flow causing them to leave, wouldn't you rejoice? If it means less sex-offenders being released to make room for pot 'addicts', isn't that a good thing?
I've already told employees at my Seattle and Spokane offices that any finding of THC, alcohol, or any other intoxicant in their systems on a random drug test (condition of employment, for which they are compensated) will result in immediate termination. I have to comply with Federal Law, which unconditionally trumps the state law,
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This has been my policy for a long time (15 years), and I see no reason to change it. I've already fought and won on two "medical" marijuana users.
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Now lets make DUII for any intoxicant Attempted Murder, and Vehicular Homicide while DUII as Murder in the second degree. (New York wording is "Acting with a depraved indifference to Human Life.") And require full restitution to any victims before release.
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There are so many conflicting laws concerning so many things that it's hard to keep up.
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Pot is one of those laws. The feds say it's illegal and a schedule 1 drug. OSHA says that if you don't ban it from the work place you can be criminally liable if someone gets hurt and pot was a factor in the incident. Insurance companies say you have to have an active drug program if you don't want to pay the highest premiums.
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So many rules and no clear direction from any level of government. Private enterprise is pretty clear. Smoke pot and expect to be unemployed. The reason is that few companies have had any issues with not hiring a pot smoker or firing one for having a dirty UA. But if they have known pot related injuries they are on the hook and liable for all kinds of damages and fines.
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It really is confusing.
 @ShallowEnder Depending on what industry you're in, the Feds don't mandate drug testing, it's insurance companies that want it. My CA based employer excludes pot from it's drug tests.
@deejm2112 @ShallowEnder Thats correct, he'll get cheaper insurance premiums if he can show that his company workforce can urinating in a cup on command. I wonder if he chooses to follow state or federal law in regards to over-time compenation or any other of the varying laws.
 @OliverNicholas  @deejm2112 Our liability insurance is cheaper because of the policies, as is our bonding. I pass those savings on as profit sharing (100%).
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All of my employees are contracted as salaried, (although I do give comp-time for OT) and I try very hard to avoid OT at all. (experience has shown me it is often counter-productive).
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I could pick and choose amongst the state and federal laws in some situations, but again, it is counter productive. I learned in 26 years in the Army that two-way loyalty and fairness produces better bottom line results and a very happy workforce. That's why I was ready for the recession and the attendant opportunities, while my competitors got caught crying the blues with layoffs and hours/benefit cuts.
@ShallowEnder You must very be proud of your hollow victories.
 @OliverNicholas Not hollow, unless you think having a ten figure net worth hollow. I've climbed the ladder the old fashioned way, and I have less then 4% annual turnover of my employees.
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The contract is clear and it's fair. Don't like it? Don't sign. If you do sign and ignore it, I follow through on the implications.
@ShallowEnder I was refering to your hollow victories over the medical cannabis patients. Where you chose to ignore state law providing them with this basic right to medicate and enforced federal law when convenient to have an insurance that has lower premiums.Â
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I know they signed a contract, but you have to look beyond that for future employees of yours to be considered more than just an employer like you are claiming to be, but an entrepreneur improving lives through rewarded work. Â
@ShallowEnder @OliverNicholas Money figures is by no means a measure of character.
 @ShallowEnder Alcohol is detectable in the urine for several days.  Is it then your policy that your employees cannot have a couple of beers on their days off?
 @Festivus Alcohol level is the key. I'm aware that there are OTC products containing alcohol. The standard in our contracts is 0.25. So they can have their beers on their day off, but not at lunch.
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Again, no one is coerced into signing a contract to work for me. I offer really good salary and benefits (and I have a very low turnover of employees), and I do compensate every employee who gets called for a random test (fair is fair). If you don't like the rules, dn't sign. Simple enough.
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I may miss out on some really good people, but I decided to take that risk.
 @Festivus "Take enough time off to recover. Getting well is your current assignment." And I'd keep him/her on salary until recovered.
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All my employees know I'm very accommodating for things life throws at people. Its called two-way loyalty. I value my employees, pay them according to that value (including all the benefits starting with 100% paid medical for the entire family, true profit sharing, and ending with a genuine fully funded pension plan), and want all to healthy and engaged. Result is low turnover and high productivity.
 @ShallowEnder Ok.  Your original post said "any finding of THC, alcohol, or any other intoxicant in their systems..."
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I had to take a single pre-hire drug test two months ago to get my current job, but I would probably pass on one requiring random testing, even though I don't use anything other than the odd glass of wine. Â It just crosses my personal privacy boundary, especially for something like weed where there's absolutely no objective test for impairment.
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How do you handle someone returning from surgery with a valid oxycontin prescription?
 @Festivus She/he in fact is exactly how I described "...You're in my book two-faced and would discriminate against sick employees based on type of prescription prescribed by a doctor. You must be a real wet blanket, conceited and suffer from superiority complex." ridiculous. She/he is full of manure.
 @ShallowEnder Full of yourself much: Pertaining to "I've already fought and won on two "medical" marijuana users." so in your world prescriptions have zero validity? You do realize marijuana is a valid prescription? I don't know the attorneys the employees had hired, but I have seen the employer sued and the employees win. You're in my book two-faced and would discriminate against sick employees based on type of prescription prescribed by a doctor. You must be a real wet blanket, conceited and suffer from superiority complex.  Â
 @Funky-Munky Am I against prescription medications? Yes, if they interfere with the ability to do a job. When I hire someone, the rules are spelled out very clearly. If they are taking a prescription med, they need to consult with their manager. I'm very flexible on that. Pot is, however, illegal (federal law, period), and we do business with the feds and with other states. I am under no obligation to risk my business for their convenience.
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You don't like it? Don't ask me for a job. The rules are very straight-forward.
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 @ShallowEnder I have to agree with the DUII, A friend of the family was MURDERED by a drunk who was driving a tractor and truck, it Killed her up on impact, we couldn't even ID the car because there was no car to identify. It was destroyed.
Personally I don't care who smokes it, but hit me in my car and your arse is mine, Legally that is, because I will throw everything at you that the law allows me to .
Now that is out of the way,
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I see some good too I wouldn't mind building a house out of the bards that can be Press from the stuff. I wouldn't mind wearing a nice set of rugged clothes made from the stuff either. Why does it have be used for getting high off of? Why not use it for other things as well?
 @lee986321 Simple -- it's competition the people who are making money off of cotton don't want.
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It's also competition to the drug companies. They REALLY don't want it, heh. I mean REALLY, REALLY don't want to see marijuana legalized. It replaces sooooo many meds -- we're talking billions of dollars every year they'll lose out on.
I don't see many people arguing about the use of industrial hemp, something we could desperately use in this economy.
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The Hemp industry alone could bring in millions of dollars for the state as well as sustainibility that would boggle the mind. A State, incredibly self sufficient and able to provide fuel, food, building materials, clothing, medicine etc. - not to mention the jobs associated to this industry.Â
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Please reconsider your choice to retain prohibition, please look at the consequences for keeping this incredibly useful plant illegal.  If you Agree to prohibition of cannabis/hemp you are in agreement with black market criminals and the worst possible scenario that we can impose on our society.Â
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Be skeptical of arguments from authority, be skeptical of the DEA when they have vested interest in keeping with prohibition, they are bias in regards to budget retention. Government grows like a cancer on society and does not shrink when no longer needed unless held in check by an educated and informed citizenry
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A 40 year war and we have nothing but death, debt, and continued ignorance to show for it, we have to take responsibility and move forward. We must improve society, government is directly inproportional to society and its time we all learn this. We are allowing government through ignorance and fear to police us to death.
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As Americans, I would expect nothing less than skepticism and doubt in authority and constant inquiry into the truth. Unless I defined wrongly what we all aspire to be, even in the absence of vocalization to our dearest.
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What I like is that I can now possibly legally puff in Washington state...just a bridge away. Additionally, this could completely reinvigorate Vancouver which had the least amount of people I have ever seen in a central business district!
 @portlandborn83 Do you worry about it, now? I sure as hell don't. If I want to use weed, I'll do so, in my home, in Oregon, under the current laws. I'd feel more at 'risk' (if you can call it that) driving into a state that might want to give me a blood test, and charge me with a DUI, even if it had been hours and hours since I smoked. I think the only barrier most users have are employment. Switch brands if you're paranoid. lol.
 @Lips Don't drive stoned or smell like a skunk. (problem solved) If you're pulled over a Field Sobriety test can be given to judge impairment. If you're still forced to submit to a blood test the Field Sobriety test given and if passed can be used in court to prove innocence. Millions of people drive stoned or have smoked marijuana recently already and are currently driving on the road right now. My point nothing has changed or will change with the passing of Washington State's I-502. Quit fear mongering or sky is falling.
 @Funky-Munky Since I'm not sick, guess I'm an outlaw. lol .Okay Funky, have a great day. =)
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 @Lips No, others apparently not yourself are afraid of the thc. content and being pulled over in Washington State. I have a feeling you're one of those cuties that can smile and go on your way! Washington State I-502 doesn't go into effect until December 6th. I believe. I live in Washington State and the new law means zero to me in addition. It will be forever before things change pertaining to marijuana and where you can get it. Nobody I know can figure out how to even get one of the 250 licenses to grow for the state even. It's a complete cluster flub and you're better off taking care of your own the usual way. Outlaw or MMC holder there really is no other choice if you smoke. Ha!
 @Funky-Munky Pretty sure you're reading me wrong. I have zero fear when it comes to the use of MJ. I wouldn't make a special trip across the river to smoke, just because it's 'legal'. And I didn't refrain when I went to Seattle, two weekends ago. I don't care. LE is welcome to hit me with their best shot. I'm thrilled to see the prohibition this close to ending, though. And you're right, nothing has changed. It still is and will remain a barrier to employment for many people. The only real barrier to moderate users.
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 @Thebigboot The big difference: Bulk tobacco is grown with radioactive pesticides. Cannabis is typically grown completely organically.
 @poopstainmonkey  @Thebigboot Some of it how ever is laced and also developed for more Potent uses.
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The more potent strains are grown for their varying levels of canabinoids, whether if be for pain relief, mood enchancing, or other varying benefits gained for overall health.
 @Thebigboot People seem to like second hand smoke for MJ it makes the cheetos that much better:)
My friend who has a construction business in eastern Washington has warned all his employees that they have a zero tolerance drug policy (for any drug that alters mental status) and if they are injured and the drug test shows positive for marijuana they will be fired and denied workmans comp.
 @RalphCramden Just as it should be.
 @RalphCramden Seems like a reasonable policy if Nicotine and Alcohol are included in your friend's definition of  "mind altering".  Otherwise, it's hypocritical.
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I agree with policies such as this for jobs where other's safety relies on your mental state but it should include ALL substances including medications. Â If you can't comply, you're not fit to work that particular job and should choose between your personal comfort and being paid.Â
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Tobacco use is not tolerated and they make them sign an agreement that they do not use tobacco products and will not use them while employed at his company.
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As for alcohol it is covered under the policy in that they will not use alcohol 8 hours prior to the work shift and will be at zero on a drug test, and will not appear to be hung over.
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He is trying to keep his OJI's to a minimum which can be costly for a small business.
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On another note he will be laying off at least 20% of his work force when 0bamacare kicks in so that he can get down below the 50 employees so that he doesn't fit the criteria for mandatory coverage. One of his foreman's is starting a business and will hire those folks and subcontract with my friend when he needs more help.
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My cousin is just moving his whole business to China to avoid all the taxes, regulations and high labor costs. His competition is undercutting him so bad because that is what they did. He has no choice if he wants to stay in business. He sent out his federally mandated notices yesterday that all employees are at risk for layoffs.
 @RalphCramden  @negativerep Your friend is not a very good manager is he's blaming the gvt for a layoff....not like it's surprise to anyone.
 @RalphCramden Sneaky Ralph..... Have you gone as far as to have a Passport at the ready and a quick flight/boat or other form of travel out of the United States when the poo hits the fan? Living arrangements etc.? Room for another fellow American ready to flee? Ha!
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I really don't care what the government does. I have stuck money into foreign accounts so the feds can't grab them whenever they want to.
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That being said the won't dare to close the loopholes. Too many Americans live overseas and would fight this tooth and nail. Companies would also fight any attempt to close tax loopholes as they would have to close up shop if they were forced to operate only in the US and compete worldwide. No one can survive in a global market if they stay in the US.
 @RalphCramden  @negativerep Insofar as they consider it their business how the US government is run or to which benefits to which they are entitled, they should be obligated to live within its borders.  If you're living oversees, it should be in the service of this country if you expect a monthly check.
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As my opinion is not directly translatable into federal law, you have no worries.
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Those aren't loopholes. It is my money and I will do with is as I please. I paid into the system and it's my money.
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Now if the government decides to change the rules, which is can, then people will consider other options.
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There is no guarantee that government has to continue to pay out on SS, Medicare or anything else for that matter. They can stop all programs tomorrow if they didn't fear getting assassinated. Not a lot of folks would take kindly to getting cut off on a program they paid into for decades.
 @RalphCramden  @negativerep The ones that allow you to take up residence in a foreign country while still voting in and collecting benefits from the United States Federal Government. Â
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What loopholes would those be?
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And welfare will run out once the companies have left the US and there is no one to pay taxes to give out the welfare.
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We really are doomed.
And so it goes ... industry by industry because the American consumer can't see past today's sale price. Relax though. The experts say that it's all about job creation and not wealth creation anymore. Besides, there's always welfare ...
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Just about everything you use and buy today was made in China or had parts made in China. One of my engineer friends goes to China once a month or so to check on the GE plants that make parts for jet engines.
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The computer I am typing this on was manufactured in China, my camera I am taking pictures with was made in China, my DeWalt chop saw was made in China, even the car I am driving has a lot of parts that are made in China including the parts to reduce pollution. My wife bought some wall light sconces the other day and they are very nicely crafted and made in China.
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Bottom line is that you can't get away from China unless of course you want to pay double for pretty much everything.
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The US tried the Made in the US promotion but that didn't work. Even the Made in Oregon store has stuff that was made in China.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Many-items-in-the-Made-in-Oregon-store-made-overseas-135774438.html
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-6148-downtown_made_in_oregon_store.html
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Folks do what they have to do to survive and with us being part of a world market the US has made itself uncompetitive.
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The sad part is that few get it. Even Jeffrey Immelt, CEO of GE, and head of 0bama's Job Council is moving to China.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/bam_angry_adviser_YOANZQkGODYVqFDAsI9LjP
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You can't stop it. Companies will move to where they can still make a profit. Few will care about the environment when the economy is in the tank. They will care about food, water, shelter and security. Nothing else will matter.
 @RalphCramden I get it.  My problem is with China or any other communist nation that has zero environmental laws.  Moving jobs out of country is a direct result of government policy and the economy in general but moving to China is unforgivable.
 @RalphCramden  @negativerep Wow, what a terrible employer.
 @RalphCramden  @negativerep I call them disingenuous freeloaders myself.  With a little luck, we can get those loopholes closed. Â
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My cousin has no choice. His customers are pretty loyal but keep telling him they can get his products cheaper from XYZ which is totally based in China and is cheaper than he is by 30%.
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He has cut every cost he can and now his government subsidies are running out. He has no other option but to lay off every one and either retire or move to China. Since he likes to be busy and likes the challenges of business he is learning Chinese at the local community college to prepare for his move to China which will happen in 2013.
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Folks do what they have to do. What do you think of all the retirees that are moving to Costa Rica to avoid all the US taxes and yet they are getting PERS, SS and other government retirement paychecks? They can live a much nicer life there for less than half of what it costs to live in the US.
 @RalphCramden Your friend's policies are good for his industry.
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Your cousin is a sack of excrement though. Â No excuses for moving to friggen China. Â Blame whatever government policies you want, if he feels China is his only option then he's a fool and gets no sympathy nor respect from me.
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 @RalphCramden Too bad his policy is grossly non-selective at best.
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There is currently no test for marijuana impairment, only for a past history of use. Â Smoke on a Saturday, injure yourself on a Wednesday, and you're done. Â
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This (in general) is going to wind up in some messy court cases. Â
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 @Festivus  @RalphCramden Yet, people can get drunk the night before and come into work probably still buzzed, have an accident, take a drug test a few hours later and all the cocaine and booze will be out of their system.
@RalphCramden @Festivus @poopstainmonkey You act as if once it becomes legal we all lose our reasoning capabilities. If a doctor would be willing to consume cannabis right before a procedure I would be willing to bet he would consume whether it was legal or not. We dont ban beer every time we arrest a drunk driver.
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We are keeping it illegal the very same way the anti-firearm crowd wants to make firearms illegal. People that choose to be negligent will do so regardless of the established law. If we made firearms illegal, you'd have responsible adults that own and have trained how to use these firearms for recreation or self defense become criminals overnight, incredibly unjust.  While the true criminals do what true criminals do.Â
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Its silly to think we all throw our responsibility hats off if cannabis were to become legal, this is the same fearful nonsense people were clammering on about right towards the end of alcohol prohibition.
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Every drug policy I have ever seen covers legal and illegal drugs that can cause altered mental status and those include anti psychotics that can cause drowsiness. I don't want a pilot on any medications that can cause drowsiness when I am on a plane of if it's fling over my house. I don't want any surgeon operating on any of my loved ones while stoned on anything.
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The drugs that are exempt are drugs like NSAIDS, antibiotics and a few others that don't cause altered mental status.
 @RalphCramden  @poopstainmonkey " It has been challenged up to the SCOTUS and has been proven reasonable and not an invasion of privacy."
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And now that pot is (for now) a legal substance in two states, it will be revisited again, and likely by the Supreme Court.
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Loss of a job over evidence of a now-legal substance in your system with no other positive test for actual impairment, unlike for alcohol, seems to be a compelling case for a lawsuit unless you specifically signed on to that agreement before your hire.
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The system isn't perfect but it is the system in place in the majority of the companies nationwide. It has been challenged up to the SCOTUS and has been proven reasonable and not an invasion of privacy.
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My friend does not hire anyone with any kind of record like DUII, drug convictions, domestic violence, license suspensions and so on. He keeps a very clean work crew and if there is any suspected drug use the will do a UA or a blood test. If they refuse they are fired on the spot.
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