Shootout, fire bring end to huge manhunt for rogue ex-cop
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LOS ANGELES (AP) - There was no question. The man standing before Rick Heltebrake on a rural mountain road was Christopher Dorner.
Clad in camouflage from head to toe and wearing a bulletproof vest packed with ammunition, the most wanted man in America over the last week was just a few feet away, having emerged from a grove of trees holding a large, assault-style rifle.
As teams of officers who had sought the fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer since last week were closing in, Dorner pointed the gun at Heltebrake and ordered him to get out of his truck.
"I don't want to hurt you. Start walking and take your dog," Heltebrake recalled Dorner saying during the carjacking Tuesday.
The man, who wasn't lugging any gear, got into the truck and drove away. Heltebrake, with his 3-year-old Dalmatian Suni in tow, called police when he heard a volley of gunfire erupt soon after, and then hid behind a tree.
A short time later, police caught up with the man they believe was Dorner, surrounding a cabin in which he had taken refuge after crashing Heltebrake's truck 80 miles east of Los Angeles. A gunfight ensued in which one sheriff's deputy was killed and another wounded.
Then, as the gunfire ended, the cabin erupted in flames.
A charred body was found in the basement, along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing probe.
The coroner's office is studying the remains to positively determine the identity. It was not clear how the cabin caught fire.
Recalling his encounter, Heltebrake said Wednesday that he wasn't panicked in his meeting with Dorner because he didn't feel the fugitive wanted to hurt him. "He wasn't wild-eyed, just almost professional," he said. "He was on a mission."
"It was clear I wasn't part of his agenda and there were other people down the road that were part of his agenda," he said.
Dorner, 33, had said in a rant that authorities believe he posted on Facebook last week that he expected to die, with the police chasing him, as he embarked on a campaign of revenge against the Los Angeles Police Department for firing him.
The apparent end came in the same mountain range where Dorner's trail went cold six days earlier, after his pickup truck - with guns and camping gear inside - was found abandoned and on fire near the ski resort town of Big Bear Lake.
His footprints led away from the truck and vanished on frozen soil.
Deputies searched door-to-door in the city of Big Bear Lake and then, in a blinding snowstorm, SWAT teams with bloodhounds and high-tech equipment in tow focused on scouring hundreds of vacant cabins in the forest outside of town.
Authorities for the most part looked at cabins boarded up for the winter, said Dan Sforza, assistant chief of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, and often didn't enter occupied homes where nothing appeared amiss.
That could have been how Dorner went overlooked in a cabin just across the street from a police command post set up to capture him. It wasn't immediately known how he got into the cabin or how long he'd been there.
He as there Tuesday, however, when two women arrived to clean it, said Lt. Patrick Foy of the state fish and wildlife department.
With three killings behind him and law enforcement still on the hunt, Dorner didn't shoot them. Instead, he tied up the women and took their purple Nissan as he fled. Sparing the housekeepers ultimately would start the chain of events that would lead to his undoing.
One of the women broke free and called 911, Foy said, and the chase was on.
Two game wardens quickly spotted the car on a meandering road along a scenic lake, and deputies planned to throw down spike strips to puncture the vehicle's tires, authorities said.
The driver of the vehicle seems to anticipate the move, pulling close behind the school buses to give officers no space to drop the strips, Foy said. Dorner had warned - even boasted - in the rant that he knew their tactics and techniques as well as the officers pursuing him.
The purple Nissan then disappeared.
Heltebrake, a ranger who takes care of a Boy Scout camp nearby, said he just had lunch and was checking the perimeter of the camp for anything out of the ordinary when he saw someone emerge from the trees, and instantly recognized Dorner as the man on the news.
Officers trying to find the fugitive quickly realized he must have turned onto a side road, but for a few minutes nobody involved in the chase knew he had changed vehicles.
That was when officers saw Heltebrake's truck, and Dorner appeared to be behind the wheel. And then the shooting started.
At one point, an officer emptied a high-powered semiautomatic rifle into the truck, but Foy said he doubts the driver was hit. "If he had been struck it would have caused so much damage immediately that he (the warden) probably would have known," he said.
Out of options after crashing the pickup, the driver made a break for a cabin and barricaded himself inside.
With the standoff under way, officers lobbed tear gas canisters into the cabin. A single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, said a law enforcement official who requested anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.
It wasn't known what kind of gas the officers used, but one common variety, CS gas, is carried by many officers for crowd control and is more prone to causing a fire if launched into a building, said Gregory D. Lee, a retired federal drug enforcement agent.
If the body found there proves to be Dorner's, the death toll from the rampage would be four, including a Riverside police officer.
Police said Dorner began his run on Feb. 6 after they connected the Feb. 3 slayings of a former police captain's daughter and her fiance with his angry manifesto.
Dorner blamed former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan for providing poor representation before a police disciplinary board that fired him for filing a false report. Dorner, who is black, claimed he was the subject of racism by the department and was targeted for reporting misconduct.
Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed his allegations, said he would reopen the investigation into his firing - not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which had a tense relationship with police that has improved in recent years.
LAPD Lt. Andrew Neiman said his agency had returned to normal patrol operations Wednesday but about a dozen targets Dorner threatened to go after would continue to be protected until the remains are positively identified.
"This really is not a celebration," he said.
Clad in camouflage from head to toe and wearing a bulletproof vest packed with ammunition, the most wanted man in America over the last week was just a few feet away, having emerged from a grove of trees holding a large, assault-style rifle.
As teams of officers who had sought the fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer since last week were closing in, Dorner pointed the gun at Heltebrake and ordered him to get out of his truck.
"I don't want to hurt you. Start walking and take your dog," Heltebrake recalled Dorner saying during the carjacking Tuesday.
The man, who wasn't lugging any gear, got into the truck and drove away. Heltebrake, with his 3-year-old Dalmatian Suni in tow, called police when he heard a volley of gunfire erupt soon after, and then hid behind a tree.
A short time later, police caught up with the man they believe was Dorner, surrounding a cabin in which he had taken refuge after crashing Heltebrake's truck 80 miles east of Los Angeles. A gunfight ensued in which one sheriff's deputy was killed and another wounded.
Then, as the gunfire ended, the cabin erupted in flames.
A charred body was found in the basement, along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing probe.
The coroner's office is studying the remains to positively determine the identity. It was not clear how the cabin caught fire.
Recalling his encounter, Heltebrake said Wednesday that he wasn't panicked in his meeting with Dorner because he didn't feel the fugitive wanted to hurt him. "He wasn't wild-eyed, just almost professional," he said. "He was on a mission."
"It was clear I wasn't part of his agenda and there were other people down the road that were part of his agenda," he said.
Dorner, 33, had said in a rant that authorities believe he posted on Facebook last week that he expected to die, with the police chasing him, as he embarked on a campaign of revenge against the Los Angeles Police Department for firing him.
The apparent end came in the same mountain range where Dorner's trail went cold six days earlier, after his pickup truck - with guns and camping gear inside - was found abandoned and on fire near the ski resort town of Big Bear Lake.
His footprints led away from the truck and vanished on frozen soil.
Deputies searched door-to-door in the city of Big Bear Lake and then, in a blinding snowstorm, SWAT teams with bloodhounds and high-tech equipment in tow focused on scouring hundreds of vacant cabins in the forest outside of town.
Authorities for the most part looked at cabins boarded up for the winter, said Dan Sforza, assistant chief of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, and often didn't enter occupied homes where nothing appeared amiss.
That could have been how Dorner went overlooked in a cabin just across the street from a police command post set up to capture him. It wasn't immediately known how he got into the cabin or how long he'd been there.
He as there Tuesday, however, when two women arrived to clean it, said Lt. Patrick Foy of the state fish and wildlife department.
With three killings behind him and law enforcement still on the hunt, Dorner didn't shoot them. Instead, he tied up the women and took their purple Nissan as he fled. Sparing the housekeepers ultimately would start the chain of events that would lead to his undoing.
One of the women broke free and called 911, Foy said, and the chase was on.
Two game wardens quickly spotted the car on a meandering road along a scenic lake, and deputies planned to throw down spike strips to puncture the vehicle's tires, authorities said.
The driver of the vehicle seems to anticipate the move, pulling close behind the school buses to give officers no space to drop the strips, Foy said. Dorner had warned - even boasted - in the rant that he knew their tactics and techniques as well as the officers pursuing him.
The purple Nissan then disappeared.
Heltebrake, a ranger who takes care of a Boy Scout camp nearby, said he just had lunch and was checking the perimeter of the camp for anything out of the ordinary when he saw someone emerge from the trees, and instantly recognized Dorner as the man on the news.
Officers trying to find the fugitive quickly realized he must have turned onto a side road, but for a few minutes nobody involved in the chase knew he had changed vehicles.
That was when officers saw Heltebrake's truck, and Dorner appeared to be behind the wheel. And then the shooting started.
At one point, an officer emptied a high-powered semiautomatic rifle into the truck, but Foy said he doubts the driver was hit. "If he had been struck it would have caused so much damage immediately that he (the warden) probably would have known," he said.
Out of options after crashing the pickup, the driver made a break for a cabin and barricaded himself inside.
With the standoff under way, officers lobbed tear gas canisters into the cabin. A single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, said a law enforcement official who requested anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.
It wasn't known what kind of gas the officers used, but one common variety, CS gas, is carried by many officers for crowd control and is more prone to causing a fire if launched into a building, said Gregory D. Lee, a retired federal drug enforcement agent.
If the body found there proves to be Dorner's, the death toll from the rampage would be four, including a Riverside police officer.
Police said Dorner began his run on Feb. 6 after they connected the Feb. 3 slayings of a former police captain's daughter and her fiance with his angry manifesto.
Dorner blamed former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan for providing poor representation before a police disciplinary board that fired him for filing a false report. Dorner, who is black, claimed he was the subject of racism by the department and was targeted for reporting misconduct.
Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed his allegations, said he would reopen the investigation into his firing - not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which had a tense relationship with police that has improved in recent years.
LAPD Lt. Andrew Neiman said his agency had returned to normal patrol operations Wednesday but about a dozen targets Dorner threatened to go after would continue to be protected until the remains are positively identified.
"This really is not a celebration," he said.
I am surprised, that an officer and tied a high powered semiautomatic rifle into the truck and no one! This person seriously needs their license revoked.
I used windows eight speech recognition and the above paragraph. Surprisingly, it is very accurate. I'm surprised that Microsoft actually did something correct. At the east I will have perfect spelling.
@lee986321Â You will have perfect spelling at the west too.
@lee986321 It is an improvement, and if it is easier for you keep at it. I will not knock you any more on it.
What is really nice is I can use my own words without having to worry about taking carpal tunnel. Well, I guess the computer can't win them all.
anyone shooting a fully loaded semi automatic rifle into a truck and not heating anyone or anything need to have a firearms license revoked.
@lee986321Â If you are trying to heat a truck with a semi-automatic rifle, then you are doing something wrong.
@JTesla @lee986321 E slight computer glitch. We'll be working on it. It was supposed to say 'hurt'.
"At one point, an officer emptied a high-powered semiautomatic rifle into the truck, but Foy said he doubts the driver was hit."
-This statement, if accurate, appears to defy logic.
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The coroner's office is studying the remains to positively determine the identity. It was not clear how the cabin caught fire....
It Ain't over till he quits smoking. Channel 6 has an interesting story. Â http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Fugitive-ex-cop-may-have-hidden-near-police/FsEuZQ5bk0W_uurIEKfiJQ.cspx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qr1OhTtduc4
for the sake of argument let's say he is not dead then what?
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@Dr. Rawdog This guy, it seems, definitely went off the deep end.  But this entire story needs an expert brought in to administer a Smell Test.....there's something not quite right about it all, IMO.
@Sundowner @Dr. Rawdog A piece of ID surrounded in layers of leather and clothing will survive a fire long after the carrier is deceased. This is not new to forensic science.
...but I'm not comfortable with the audio of them yelling to "bring up the burners."Â Klan style.
@Sundowner @Playanekes @jpk Be careful you might sound like me. You might think like me. That is dangers.Â
@Sundowner @Playanekes @Dr. Rawdog No, you're starting to sound like a rational human being.Â
@Playanekes @jpk Just read this quote elsewhere:  "San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said Wednesday the fire was not set on purpose.  "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," he said."  Of course they didn't, because they never had any intention of getting him out alive.  That stupid saying, "Dead men tell no tales" keeps coming to mind.  Just an interesting bit of news I ran across.
@Playanekes  @Dr. Rawdog Realizing, of course, that he was armed to the hilt, I still think it odd that no effort was made to capture him alive.  Was that ever in their plan?  Doesn't seem like it since they shot innocent, non-involved people in their effort to find him.  You'd think they'd want to give him a thorough psych exam, if nothing else.  Maybe they just didn't think he had any information of value to their "investigation".  Ewww---now even I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy whacko.Â
eh, is this still the fire thing I have a weird "new message" that pops up. at any rate, I am glad it is over and done with.
Maybe we can just move on... Talking about him isn't going to change things. It is time for closure. Talking about how police did things, isn't going to change things. He is dead, the only thing left is that the LAPD probably is still probably corrupt. Try have recruiting Sergent change paper work to fill the quota. Think it hasn't been done? Ps I like this new format.
Anyone else notice that the Klan members on here who nominated themselves to represent conservatives everywhere are kind of mourning this cop killer?  We've got conspiracy theories, weird recriminations, and even a claim that Dorner's actually still alive and this is a feint by him to throw the law off his trail.  Seriously, the American Taliban is absolutely DESPERATE for a hero, man.  It's just sad.
@Diogenes " . . . and even a claim that Dorner's actually still alive and this is a feint by him to throw the law off his trail." If you are referring to my post, Diogenes, I did NOT claim Dorner was still alive. I just stated that I had this thought that wouldn't go away. Definately NOT the same as claiming Dorner is still alive.
@Diogenes Wait a minute, what? You're claiming now that:
1. Conservatives, and not liberals were rooting for this guy?
2. The Klan, a democrat invention, are now conservatives mourning this criminal?
3. Slide in a snide comment about "the American Taliban" being who? Conservatives??
Talk about conspiracy theories..
@NotAChance @DiogenesÂ
HAHAHAHA! Â I LOVE it when you guys pull out the old "Democrats are the REAL racist party, Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN!" Â Is it that you're ignorant, stupid, or dishonest? Â Is it even possible for a person with access to the Internet not to know that the Dixiecrats, the racist core of the Democratic Party, switched en masse to the Republican Party in 1965? Â Could it be that you didn't know that? Â Because it's pretty basic history that anyone who graduated high school should have learned while studying the Civil Rights Movement.
And try Google if you've never heard the phrase "American Taliban." Â In fact, do a little research before you post ANYTHING, since you apparently don't have a high school education. Â As for who was rooting for this guy, the evidence is pretty clear on this site, at least. Â The conservatives like Playanekes, theprodigal, and axpman are all wearing widow's weeds and rending their garments over the death of Christopher Dorner.
@Diogenes @NotAChance A CLOWN nothing less.  A worthless POS.
@NotAChance Â
Ah, but I'm an EDUCATED utter clown, not a frothing idiot with no sense of history or talent for debate. Â See, I'd MUCH rather be me than you. Â Brains beat stupid every time.
@Diogenes @Owt_Raged And take your pandering POTUS and shove it RIGHT up your...
@Diogenes @Owt_Raged You're nothing but a complete and utter CLOWN. Worthy of nothing but contempt and derision from this moment forth.
@Owt_Raged @DiogenesÂ
Aaaaaaaaaaand again with the complete indifference to actual history and logic. Â There's a REASON the Democrats don't even have to campaign in Latino and African American enclaves in this country, and that's because the Republican Party was overtaken by racists about 50 years ago and is still run by racists now. Â But hey, please do continue with the denial and the oblivion. Â We love it when you guys lose bigger and bigger shares of the minority vote every single cycle. Â We're shooting for 100% of the black vote in 2014.
@Diogenes You do realize that the first republican party in Texas was founded by a few white guys and 150 black men, right?
 You have heard the lie that the parties switched so many times, that you actually believe it's true.
GeauxOSU,Â
Really? confusion? Â This had Waco written all over it. Â I could have told you as I did a few others. Â Clearly they were e going to burn him out. Â Confusion? Â far from it. Â Â
Anyone besides me note the amount of confusion that the media created this morning over this news report? First, there was a body, then no, there wasn't a body and now, yes, there is a body that was reportedly found in the basement. Why can't the news media get their facts straight before reporting it?
Because they want to be first - right or wrong. They are not held to any ridicule anymore by speculating - so its whatever the market (public) will bear when it comes to the truth or verification of facts. Reality TV meet your 21st Century journalist.
I'm sorry but The Clackamas shooting, Sandy Hook and this event increasingly look like staged events. How convenient is it that the storyline pops up: "Rogue cop goes down in flames and a hail of gunfire" and then they cut to the president giving a speech about gun control?Â
It looks like people behind the scenes are running mind control experiments on the American people.Â
You know that sounds really crazy? Right? Are you thinking that the government killed 20 kids as part of some conspiracy?
@old_dollor Please look at my posting a little farther up. Governments have few compulsions against killing their own people.
 @PeterAWolf The only ones running the mind control experiments are the ones that have convinced you that what you are saying is plausible.
@darren vandervort @PeterAWolf Please look up Project MK Ultra. There is a good article on Wikipedia.
@PeterAWolf @darren vandervort I am well versed in conspiracy theories, I find most entertaining, some even plausible.  This conspiracy theory is neither.
Reminds me somewhat of the movie "Running Man". Manufactured villans and a willingly duped public. That is what we are turning into - a "willingly duped" populace. The technology (special effects) are there now to virtually create any scenario needed to sway public opioion. We are on the way there now with ideologs of all stripes willing to believe anyhting presented to them. The gun debate is just the most recent.Â
 @darren vandervort  Thanks -- wish I would have said it that well.
 @PeterAWolf Do you hear what you're saying?  That the government staged the Sandy Hook event, killing young innocent children, to further a gun control agenda?  I don't care whether you're pro- or anti-gun, you need to stop listening to whoever you're listening to.  You're scary.
Oh, and I think for myself and do my own research and look for original documentation.
@Sundowner @PeterAWolf Sandy Hook was on Saturnalia an old Roman Holiday on which children were sacrificed . Also look up the Wounded Knee massacre or The Trail of Tears from US history. Also look up the sinking of the battleship Mane; Hurst sent a reporter to Havana to report on a war. The reporter cabled back "there's no war going on" Hurst replied "you wait and I'll supply the war" days later the Mane exploded in Havana harbor and the Spanish American was was on.Â
Governments have few compulsions against killing their own people.
@PeterAWolf @Sundowner I agree with Sundowner but one must acknowledge America's history when the cavalry gets it's blood up about something. It happens. I don't think it's happening now but we must always be vigilant and watchful.
It doesn't matter to me if they took their tactical playbook straight from the Klan...nobody expected otherwise from LAPD. They didn't burn him alive, they simply forced him to commit suicide.
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Nathan Bedford Forrest's ghost just rose up and said "I told you so."
 @Playanekes They would have been more than happy to burn him alive, and aside from the fact he was armed and 'offed himself, they pretty much tried to burn him alive.
I have no real reason to believe the body found isn't Dorner's. That being said, I wonder if it is. Perhaps I have read too many mysteries, seen too many cop shows, etc., but I have this thought that just won't go away. Part of me is thinking the body belongs to someone else and Dorner left his ID in an attempt to mislead LE. These thoughts will probably not go away until the body is officially identified.
 @theprodigal I could have sworn they found his ID last week at the site where he tried to steal that boat??? Who has more than one DL from the same state with the same name?
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He may have had the metal wallet that protects against RFID scanners. That is also a probability. or at thick wallet made of leather. leather does not burn well.
@Owt_Raged @Dr. Rawdog Remember in 9/11, they Had  Found the terrorists IDs. That too, was intriguing to say the least.Â
@Dr. Rawdog I suppose that could be. I find it strange that his body is so charred he can't be identified, yet his ID was so intact it could be read. I guess stranger things have happened....
 @theprodigal Another question is, if there were -more- bodies in the house, would the California police admit to it, or fabricate evidence to suggest they were already deceased. The LAPD has a -wildly- problematic PR record, especially now that they just torched a counter-culture hero Mississippi-style.
 @Playanekes They would have fabricated a story blaming Dorner. Even though he wasn't out to hurt those he considered innocent, take for example the couple that was found tied up.
@axpman @Playanekes I just know that stuff doesn't add up, that a LOT of people have expressed more fear of the LAPD and California police than the shooter, (which, to be fair, they also did with Manson who was a hippie hero briefly)
Other than the people he targeted, he appears to have treated civilians better than the police who opened fire on the newspaper delivery women did.
DHS, of course, just bought 7000 new AR-15 "Personal Defense Weapons" and I don't trust them either.
@Playanekes " . . . would the California police admit to it . . . " I really don't know, Playanekes. I have been looking askance at our government in general ever since Bush created the Department of Homeland Security. I really wouldn't put it past the LAPD to do something like you suggested.