NRA says Congress will not pass assault weapons ban

WASHINGTON (AP) - The powerful gun lobby is gauging enough support in Congress to block a law that would ban assault weapons, despite promises from the White House and senior lawmakers to make such a measure a reality.
Senators plan to introduce a bill that would ban assault weapons and limit the size of ammunition magazines, like the one used in the December shooting massacre that killed 27 people, most of them children, in Newtown, Conn. Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California has promised to push for a renewal of expired legislation.
The National Rifle Association has so far prevented passage of another assault weapons ban like the one that expired in 2004. But some lawmakers say the Newtown tragedy has transformed the country, and Americans are ready for stricter gun laws. President Barack Obama has made gun control a top priority. And on Tuesday Vice President Joe Biden is expected to give Obama a comprehensive package of recommendations for curbing gun violence.
Still, the NRA has faith that Congress would prevent a new weapons ban.
"When a president takes all the power of his office, if he's willing to expend political capital, you don't want to make predictions. You don't want to bet your house on the outcome. But I would say that the likelihood is that they are not going to be able to get an assault weapons ban through this Congress," NRA president David Keene told CNN's "State of the Union."
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., responded with a flat out "no" when asked on CBS' "Face the Nation" whether Congress would pass a ban on assault weapons.
Democratic West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, a lifelong member of the NRA has said everything should be on the table to prevent another tragedy like Newtown. But he assured gun owners he would fight for gun rights at the same time. "I would tell all of my friends in NRA, I will work extremely hard and I will guarantee you there will not be an encroachment on your Second Amendment rights," Manchin said on ABC's "This Week."
The NRA's deep pockets help bolster allies and punish lawmakers who buck them. The group spent at least $24 million in the 2012 elections - $16.8 million through its political action committee and nearly $7.5 million through its affiliated Institute for Legislative Action. Separately, the NRA spent some $4.4 million through July 1 to lobby Congress. Keene insists the group represents its members and not just the gun manufacturers, though he said the NRA would like industry to contribute more money to the association.
"We know what works and what doesn't work. And we're not willing to compromise on people's rights when there is no evidence that doing so is going to accomplish the purpose," Keene said.
The NRA, instead, is pushing for measures that would keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, until a person gets better. "If they are cured, there ought to be a way out of it," Keene said.
Currently, a person is banned from buying a gun from a licensed dealer if the person is a fugitive, a felon, convicted of substance abuse, convicted of domestic violence, living in the U.S. illegally or someone who "has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution."
States, however, are inconsistent in providing information about mentally ill residents to the federal government for background checks. And, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said some 40 percent of gun sales happen with no background checks, such as at gun shows and by private sellers over the Internet or through classified ads.
Senators plan to introduce a bill that would ban assault weapons and limit the size of ammunition magazines, like the one used in the December shooting massacre that killed 27 people, most of them children, in Newtown, Conn. Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California has promised to push for a renewal of expired legislation.
The National Rifle Association has so far prevented passage of another assault weapons ban like the one that expired in 2004. But some lawmakers say the Newtown tragedy has transformed the country, and Americans are ready for stricter gun laws. President Barack Obama has made gun control a top priority. And on Tuesday Vice President Joe Biden is expected to give Obama a comprehensive package of recommendations for curbing gun violence.
Still, the NRA has faith that Congress would prevent a new weapons ban.
"When a president takes all the power of his office, if he's willing to expend political capital, you don't want to make predictions. You don't want to bet your house on the outcome. But I would say that the likelihood is that they are not going to be able to get an assault weapons ban through this Congress," NRA president David Keene told CNN's "State of the Union."
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., responded with a flat out "no" when asked on CBS' "Face the Nation" whether Congress would pass a ban on assault weapons.
Democratic West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, a lifelong member of the NRA has said everything should be on the table to prevent another tragedy like Newtown. But he assured gun owners he would fight for gun rights at the same time. "I would tell all of my friends in NRA, I will work extremely hard and I will guarantee you there will not be an encroachment on your Second Amendment rights," Manchin said on ABC's "This Week."
The NRA's deep pockets help bolster allies and punish lawmakers who buck them. The group spent at least $24 million in the 2012 elections - $16.8 million through its political action committee and nearly $7.5 million through its affiliated Institute for Legislative Action. Separately, the NRA spent some $4.4 million through July 1 to lobby Congress. Keene insists the group represents its members and not just the gun manufacturers, though he said the NRA would like industry to contribute more money to the association.
"We know what works and what doesn't work. And we're not willing to compromise on people's rights when there is no evidence that doing so is going to accomplish the purpose," Keene said.
The NRA, instead, is pushing for measures that would keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, until a person gets better. "If they are cured, there ought to be a way out of it," Keene said.
Currently, a person is banned from buying a gun from a licensed dealer if the person is a fugitive, a felon, convicted of substance abuse, convicted of domestic violence, living in the U.S. illegally or someone who "has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution."
States, however, are inconsistent in providing information about mentally ill residents to the federal government for background checks. And, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said some 40 percent of gun sales happen with no background checks, such as at gun shows and by private sellers over the Internet or through classified ads.
This is an interesting media twist to a story. "NRA says Congress will not pass assault weapons ban"
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@Quaoptician ---- I thought that was an arrogant statement from them. They said that Obama was going to be defeated and we know how that worked out. Romney was a lousy pick as far as I'm concerned.
The NRA should have endorsed Gary Johnson for president, rather than the gun grabber Romney. They are depending on the Republicans to vote in their favor, when they can't even be counted on not to raise taxes.
Ok everybody. You got that?
The NRA tells US .. which laws we'll be able to have.Â
http://newyork.newsday.com/news/nation/journal-news-gun-permit-map-used-by-burglars-to-target-white-plains-home-1.4441678
it's ok for criminals to get what they want and be able to get away with murder. and here is our right's might be getting stripped from to be able to hunt or to be able to protect our selves and family members and after watching this video just over that stupid map some ones place got busted into back east. ://newyork.newsday.com/news/nation/journal-news-gun-permit-map-used-by-burglars-to-target-white-plains-home-1.4441678
The leaders in the NRA are out of touch with their own membership which supports limited gun control. I guess we know where their loyalties lie: not with their members, but with gun manufacturers who they are in bed with.
@Harvey 1701 --- I know a lot of NRA members and the only gun control they believe in is hitting their target. You are dead wrong.
 @The Resistance  @Harvey Do you know ALL of the NRA members? Or just a lot of them?
@Daddycool @Harvey --- I know a lot of them, like it says.
I've been thinking...when the government tries to pass any gun measures we have a 2 million person march on the capital and show them what a pissed off population looks like. Peaceful of course.
@The Resistance What if it was the will of the majority of citizens in this country that there be limits on gun ownership? And what if, as a result, Congress passed legislation to place more limits on gun ownership? Wouldn't that be democracy rather than tyranny? What would be your reaction - armed insurrection? I think this who issues should come up on a national referendum and let the chips fall where they may. Would that be okay with you or would that be tyranny? Would this incite Resistance if the referendum passed and gun limits put in place or would you lay down your banned guns like a law abiding citizen. Or do we start another Civil War?
 @The Resistance good plan but im to chicken on going lol
 @The Resistance ~  Hey, I like that idea...!  :-)
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@holymolE How about giving me a link so I can write a letter to each of my representatives letting them know I'm for placing some reasonable limits on gun ownership.Â
@holymolE --- I got that email from Ruger Friday. Great idea.
 @The Resistance I sent mine, all the leg work is done for you and it works like a charm.Â
@holymolE ---I still have my Charlton Heston is my President bumper-sticker. He had more brains with Alzheimer's than Obozo does.
I think we should start a campaign to boycott stores that sell guns like Walmart and instead shop at stores that don't sell guns like Fred Meyer and Target. Start buying your sporting goods at REI instead of Big Five, Dicks, or Sports Authority. If the majority of people who think there are way too many guns in this country (like me) they can exert their influence with their buying dollars. And start contributing to PACs like the one Gabby Giffords is starting and lets outspend the NRA. And lets start giving politicians grades based upon their support for reasonable gun control laws - much the same as the NRA grades politicians in terms of their pro-gun stance.Â
 @peckishpete Please don't include me in your "we"
 @peckishpete Because a boycott will save lives? Because a boycott will change laws? Because a boycott will help mentally unstable people? Because a boycott will make people feel safer? Money isn't everything, and by not buying your blow-up mattress from Sports Authority you are doing absolutely nothing except making yourself feel like you're making a difference.
 @ZebraFeet   But they'll have these really cool bumper stickers, too. They'll look good between my "Kerry/Edwards" sticker and the one that promises "Hope and Change". See? I'm making a difference already!
@S_O_P_A @ZebraFeet --- the hope and change sticker makes a pretty good bullseye.
 @peckishpete Sorry, but your options have decreased: Fred Meyer sells firearms in some locations.
 @ClackaSam  @peckishpete yes they do and so does DICKS lol, and walmartÂ
 @peckishpete Why don;t you move to North Korea,China, or Cuba and see how you like it there because this country is headed to be like those countries if they take our gun rights away.
yes it is a disarm every one if biden has his way. according to the nra the way that meeting went down  like the Oregon senator told me
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Jesse You are right. There is an attack on the Second Amendment and the people who might lose their rights are the people like you who are honest law-abiding citizens. Why must we pay the price for the few? I will not support any infringements on your rights, and with the support of you and the masses, we will overcome this travesty. Sincerely Alan Olsen Senator Dist. 20 -----Original Message----- From: mrniceguy121577@aol.com [mailto:mrniceguy121577@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 6:47 PM To: Sen Olsen Subject: Protect our Second Amendment Rights! Â
I don't care how much money it takes to preserve our rights, it is worth it. As an NRA Life Member and regular donator, someone has to fight for our rights, or the Mayor Bloomberg's with large personal fortunes will determine our future. Dianne Feinstein can kiss my posterior, she wants a welfare state where everything we do is controlled by the government. The government will protect me? I'm not counting on it.
 @The Resistance God bless the NRA!
 @The Resistance Maybe when your kids die, you Might be at least willing to listen to others concerns.  No one has said to disarm you.  They have said let's limit magazine sizes, lets do the background checks. Do your rights to own any type of gun you want have to supersede the rights of parents who should not have to worry about automatic guns in schools? Â
 @BCH mom  @The Resistance Here's my opinion on the gun laws. I don't really care what action the govt. takes about guns, unless they try and outlaw them altogether. Which isn't at all what anybody (except the NRA) is talking about. The NRA is the only group of people I've ever heard bring up the subject of going to the extreme of taking guns away from people. The govt. could regulate them. Or they could do absolutely nothing about guns, and I'm fine with that too. But If they try to outlaw guns altogether, then we have a problem. I'm not going to let the NRA tell me there's a problem when there isn't one.Something like limiting magazine capacity, or requiring certification in order to own an assault weapon ... is just common sense regulation. It's something smart people who are capable of seeing the big picture, and solving problems would come up with. People without problem solving skills, and who can only see the world in black and white are happily led into a frenzy to do battle on behalf of the NRA and the gun manufacturers. If you think the govt. wants to take everybody's gun rights away, and eliminate the 2nd amendment  .... then you're an idiot! And you might just be too stupid to safely operate a firearm. It's people like you that we should all be worried about. Not the guns! And definitely not the govt! The current congress can't even figure out how to meet payroll. Do you honestly think they can figure out how to get rid of the 2nd amendment? The way I look at it ... guns are guns. A gun is a tool. The govt. has no business taking away your tools. But they should probably regulate the tools that are the most dangerous. They regulate other dangerous tools. Why not guns?I think every responsible, mentally stable adult should own a firearm. (And only responsible, mentally stable adults.)Especially here in the west.Again .. it's really not an argument. That's just how things are. And how they've always been here in the west. We should all be pretty used to guns by now.Â
 @BCH mom  @The Resistance Right wing fanatics believe that their rights supersede EVERYBODY else's. They're also convinced that their votes are more valid and important than some other people's votes.They believe in small government (or zero government) for the things that they like. And HUGE, overbearing government to control the things that they don't like.The reason?: Because they truly believe that America was always meant to be exclusively for THEM. And anybody who disagrees with anything they believe in  ... is the enemy. (All of their enemies are also teamed up against them ... to take away their freedom, force them to change their lifestyles, and give up their rights.)This has nothing at all to do with the argument over guns.It's just how things are and this is what these people believe. Guns are just another one of the things they obsess over.
 so believing in the constitution = right wing fanatic????? People like you are the reason we're so polarized in this very sad era of the US
@BCH mom @The Resistance --- I'm all for background checks. As far as I know, no automatic guns that I know of have been used in schools. In fact, in case you missed it, automatic guns have restricted for years. I have a CCW, a number of semi-auto firearms and never had any urge to commit any crimes, nor has anyone I know. I support improving efforts to identify the mentally ill, clearing death row, converting plea bargained life in prison to death sentences, severe penalties for straw purchasers, starting with Eric Holder. I can reload my 10 round or less mags unbelievably fast, so HiCaps are a no issue. Finally, I pray none of my relatives are ever harmed by murders, drunk drivers, medical negligence, terrorist acts, etc. There is a reason defendants show up for arraignment in bullet proof vests.
 @The Resistance Im not an NRA Member but you all have my full support. But we do need to do whatever we can to protect our kids and out of the hands of the criminals and mentally ill people that are trying to cause harm on them selves and on others.Â
Wounded Knee A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT.......December 29, 2012 marked the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by Federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms âfor their own safety and protectionâ. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry's death squad were deemed âNational Heroesâ and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism. We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized âOfficial Government Explanationâ. And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day. Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people. Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, âhuntingâ was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and âtarget shootingâ was an unheard of concept. Musket balls were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on âtarget shootingâ. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States. As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or âlibertyâ. Far too many times, unjust gun control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of âfor your safetyâ or âfor protectionâ. The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush, was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy for âsafetyâ. Now, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms, all in the name of âour safetyâ. Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something for just one minute- Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will. Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible one of the first stories is that of Cain killing Abel. We can not legislate âevilâ into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element will always find a way around it. Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is âevilâ and âmalevolenceâ most often found? In the hands of those with the power, the governments. That greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed to governments. Who do the governments always target? âScapegoatsâ and âenemiesâ within their own bordersâ¦but only after they have been disarmed to the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer âWe were disarmed before it happenedâ. Ask any Jew what Hitlerâs first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was- confiscation of firearms from the people. Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.
 @John83864 Are you saying that the Sioux were American citizens who had their 2nd amendment rights violated?
@John83864 You almost got through that without a Nazi reference.... And it's wrong, of course. The first step to the Holocaust was Hitler winning an election.
@Max Quinn Actually, HItler didn't win an election to get into office. He was appointed. The election win came after that.
@John83864 --- I agree, but that was a little long winded for this forum.
 @John83864 So if we allow any further gun restrictions, the 7th Cavalry will kill us. Got it.
JTesla What's that old saying about those who don't know history are doomed to something something.........
Dude, Really???? Ever thought of writing a novel? I fell asleep half way through that!!!
dont matter if it's M-16 or a musket or a knife there all weapons even your car and right now if those orders goes through might very well kiss your amendments good by. I love hunting and I should have the right to protect my self within my own home and all I have is a 5 round bolt action rifle for hunting and a 22 revolver now looks like I might lose those and I never done a thing wrong in my life. Now there making us responseable owners like criminals and it scares me if they can touch that second amendment what stops them from taking the whole Constitution. it really scares me
 @dark31 Because you LIKE being scared.
 @dark31 Nothing has ever been said about a full gun ban. It's lunacy to even think that it would work. However, people certainly are jumping the gun, so to speak, and rushing right to that conclusion. In a gun owning society such as ours, there is no way a full gun ban would even make it through the House or even get there for that matter. Any politician who voices it is an idiot who doesn't know this country or its history and is, figuratively, shooting themselves in the foot. I am not a gun lover but I know the numbers and there is no way a full gun ban would ever be feasible.
 @Kymberlie2873  @dark31 BS
 @Kymberlie2873 I was out a few days ago just trying to buy a new scope for my hunting rifle and every place I went to was all bought out all ammo was bought out. I bought a new stock for my hunting rifle and the rifle i have was my grandfathers rifle and i'm trying to fix it up because I think he would want me to do that.  all stocks were bought out even online I'm a hunter and I believe in my second amendments but when I see people rushing to just buy pistols I mean they were not even buying the rifles or shotguns, They were going for the compact stuff. Even the optics were all sold out I was just lucky to be able to find what I was looking for and some how that scope was the last one they had same thing with that stock I found online. I believe in that second amendment but going that hog wild on all of that stuff is crazy. I don't expect any bill to pass because they tried that and it didn't work. But I as a hunter and some one that believes in protecting my home and protecting others. I don't under stand why would any hunter would want a 30 round magazine for house protection or for hunting. A little over kill. But it's there right to own that stuff. But I do agree they do need to do whatever they can to go after the media about video games, movies and TV shows that has violent in them and we need to do whatever we can to protect our kids and they need to help the mentally ill people that are trying to hurt some one ells or them selves. How I look at it.. It's responsibly and common sense if you don't have either one then a person does not need a gun and I do agree with the NRA about school safety and schools should hire and contract out a security agency. Better safe then sorry that's what I always say
 @dark31  @Kymberlie2873 How much better is 'safe' than 'sorry'?  Is safe so much better than sorry ... that you would be willing to pay more income tax to hire rent a cops for all of our schools? Or would you just like to talk about hiring people and having more security .... and then skip out on the bill when it comes due?  When it came time to start paying out on the bonds we would issue in order to buy this enhanced security for the schools ... would you squawk about the "librul government having a spending problem"?  Would you insist that in order to borrow the money to honor those govt. bonds and keep the nation's credit intact ... that you need $3 in spending cuts for every $1 we borrow?  Or does extreme political BS about govt. spending sound as ridiculous to you, as it does to me ?We've already had a huge problem  with letting an extremely paranoid group of people beef up America's "security" ... and then refuse to pay for it while blaming it all on the next guy. It's not gonna happen again.  We won't stand for people who are obsessed with "security" .... trying to force our elderly, our children, our poor, and our handicapped  to make most of the sacrifice required to pay for it.. I guess you didn't get the memo. Extremists in America are getting the boot! We have no use for extremism. We won't have anybody who thinks the govt. is going to scoop up their hunting rifle and their .22 pistol ... to make decisions about how and where to spend our tax dollars. People like you apparently have a problem drawing the line between reality and fantasy. From now on, we need  the important reality based decisions to be made by people who can think and problem solve. Rather than by people who blindly follow whatever the radio tells them to do.
 @Kymberlie2873 Jesse You are right. There is an attack on the Second Amendment and the people who might lose their rights are the people like you who are honest law-abiding citizens. Why must we pay the price for the few? I will not support any infringements on your rights, and with the support of you and the masses, we will overcome this travesty. Sincerely Alan Olsen Senator Dist. 20 -----Original Message----- From: mrniceguy121577@aol.com [mailto:mrniceguy121577@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 6:47 PM To: Sen Olsen Subject: Protect our Second Amendment Rights! Â
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thats what the reply from the senator told me because I wrote to our state and federal senators