Poll: Science doubters say world is warming
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Nearly 4 out of 5 Americans now think temperatures are rising and that global warming will be a serious problem for the United States if nothing is done about it, a new Associated Press-GfK poll finds.
Belief and worry about climate change are inching up among Americans in general, but concern is growing faster among people who don't often trust scientists on the environment. In follow-up interviews, some of those doubters said they believe their own eyes as they've watched thermometers rise, New York City subway tunnels flood, polar ice melt and Midwestern farm fields dry up.
Overall, 78 percent of those surveyed said they thought temperatures were rising and 80 percent called it a serious problem. That's up slightly from 2009, when 75 percent thought global warming was occurring and just 73 percent thought it was a serious problem. In general, U.S. belief in global warming, according to AP-GfK and other polls, has fluctuated over the years but has stayed between about 70 and 85 percent.
The biggest change in the polling is among people who trust scientists only a little or not at all. About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.
Within that highly skeptical group, 61 percent now say temperatures have been rising over the past 100 years. That's a substantial increase from 2009, when the AP-GfK poll found that only 47 percent of those with little or no trust in scientists believed the world was getting warmer.
This is an important development because, often in the past, opinion about climate change doesn't move much in core groups - like those who deny it exists and those who firmly believe it's an alarming problem, said Jon Krosnick, a Stanford University social psychologist and pollster. Krosnick, who consulted with The Associated Press on the poll questions, said the changes the poll shows aren't in the hard-core "anti-warming" deniers, but in the next group, who had serious doubts.
"They don't believe what the scientists say, they believe what the thermometers say," Krosnick said. "Events are helping these people see what scientists thought they had been seeing all along."
Phil Adams, a retired freelance photographer from Washington, N.C., said he was "fairly cynical" about scientists and their theories. But he believes very much in climate change because of what he's seen with his own eyes.
"Having lived for 67 years, we consistently see more and more changes based upon the fact that the weather is warmer," he said. "The seasons are more severe. The climate is definitely getting warmer."
"Storms seem to be more severe," he added. Nearly half, 49 percent, of those surveyed called global warming not just serious but "very serious," up from 42 percent in 2009. More than half, 57 percent, of those surveyed thought the U.S. government should do a great deal or quite a bit about global warming, up from 52 percent three years earlier.
But only 45 percent of those surveyed think President Barack Obama will take major action to fight climate change in his second term, slightly more than the 41 percent who don't think he will act.
Overall, the 78 percent who think temperatures are rising is not the highest percentage of Americans who have believed in climate change, according to AP polling. In 2006, less than a year after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, 85 percent thought temperatures were rising. The lowest point in the past 15 years for belief in warming was in December 2009, after some snowy winters and in the middle of an uproar about climate scientists' emails that later independent investigations found showed no manipulation of data.
Broken down by political party, 83 percent of Democrats and 70 percent of Republicans say the world is getting warmer. And 77 percent of independents say temperatures are rising. Among scientists who write about the issue in peer-reviewed literature, the belief in global warming is about 97 percent, according to a 2010 scientific study.
The AP-GfK poll was conducted Nov. 29-Dec. 3 by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Corporate Communications. It involved landline and cellphone interviews with 1,002 adults nationwide. Results for the full sample have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.9 percentage points; the margin of error is larger for subgroups.
The latest AP-GfK poll jibes with other surveys and more in-depth research on global warming, said Anthony Leiserowitz, director of Yale University's Project on Climate Change Communication. He took no part in the poll.
When climate change belief was at its lowest, concerns about the economy were heightened and the country had gone through some incredible snowstorms and that may have chipped away at some belief in global warming, Leiserowitz said. Now the economy is better and the weather is warmer and worse in ways that seem easier to connect to climate change, he said.
"One extreme event after another after another," Leiserowitz said. "People have noticed. ... They're connecting the dots between climate change and this long bout of extreme weather themselves."
Thomas Coffey, 77, of Houston, said you can't help but notice it.
"We use to have mild temperatures in the fall going into winter months. Now, we have summer temperatures going into winter," Coffey said. "The whole Earth is getting warmer and when it gets warmer, the ice cap is going to melt and the ocean is going to rise."
He also said that's what he thinks is causing recent extreme weather.
"That's why you see New York and New Jersey," he said, referring to Superstorm Sandy and its devastation in late October. "When you have a flood like that, flooding tunnels like that. And look at how long the tunnel has been there."
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Associated Press Director of Polling Jennifer Agiesta, News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius and writer Stacy A. Anderson contributed to this report.
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Online: The poll: http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com
Belief and worry about climate change are inching up among Americans in general, but concern is growing faster among people who don't often trust scientists on the environment. In follow-up interviews, some of those doubters said they believe their own eyes as they've watched thermometers rise, New York City subway tunnels flood, polar ice melt and Midwestern farm fields dry up.
Overall, 78 percent of those surveyed said they thought temperatures were rising and 80 percent called it a serious problem. That's up slightly from 2009, when 75 percent thought global warming was occurring and just 73 percent thought it was a serious problem. In general, U.S. belief in global warming, according to AP-GfK and other polls, has fluctuated over the years but has stayed between about 70 and 85 percent.
The biggest change in the polling is among people who trust scientists only a little or not at all. About 1 in 3 of the people surveyed fell into that category.
Within that highly skeptical group, 61 percent now say temperatures have been rising over the past 100 years. That's a substantial increase from 2009, when the AP-GfK poll found that only 47 percent of those with little or no trust in scientists believed the world was getting warmer.
This is an important development because, often in the past, opinion about climate change doesn't move much in core groups - like those who deny it exists and those who firmly believe it's an alarming problem, said Jon Krosnick, a Stanford University social psychologist and pollster. Krosnick, who consulted with The Associated Press on the poll questions, said the changes the poll shows aren't in the hard-core "anti-warming" deniers, but in the next group, who had serious doubts.
"They don't believe what the scientists say, they believe what the thermometers say," Krosnick said. "Events are helping these people see what scientists thought they had been seeing all along."
Phil Adams, a retired freelance photographer from Washington, N.C., said he was "fairly cynical" about scientists and their theories. But he believes very much in climate change because of what he's seen with his own eyes.
"Having lived for 67 years, we consistently see more and more changes based upon the fact that the weather is warmer," he said. "The seasons are more severe. The climate is definitely getting warmer."
"Storms seem to be more severe," he added. Nearly half, 49 percent, of those surveyed called global warming not just serious but "very serious," up from 42 percent in 2009. More than half, 57 percent, of those surveyed thought the U.S. government should do a great deal or quite a bit about global warming, up from 52 percent three years earlier.
But only 45 percent of those surveyed think President Barack Obama will take major action to fight climate change in his second term, slightly more than the 41 percent who don't think he will act.
Overall, the 78 percent who think temperatures are rising is not the highest percentage of Americans who have believed in climate change, according to AP polling. In 2006, less than a year after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, 85 percent thought temperatures were rising. The lowest point in the past 15 years for belief in warming was in December 2009, after some snowy winters and in the middle of an uproar about climate scientists' emails that later independent investigations found showed no manipulation of data.
Broken down by political party, 83 percent of Democrats and 70 percent of Republicans say the world is getting warmer. And 77 percent of independents say temperatures are rising. Among scientists who write about the issue in peer-reviewed literature, the belief in global warming is about 97 percent, according to a 2010 scientific study.
The AP-GfK poll was conducted Nov. 29-Dec. 3 by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Corporate Communications. It involved landline and cellphone interviews with 1,002 adults nationwide. Results for the full sample have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.9 percentage points; the margin of error is larger for subgroups.
The latest AP-GfK poll jibes with other surveys and more in-depth research on global warming, said Anthony Leiserowitz, director of Yale University's Project on Climate Change Communication. He took no part in the poll.
When climate change belief was at its lowest, concerns about the economy were heightened and the country had gone through some incredible snowstorms and that may have chipped away at some belief in global warming, Leiserowitz said. Now the economy is better and the weather is warmer and worse in ways that seem easier to connect to climate change, he said.
"One extreme event after another after another," Leiserowitz said. "People have noticed. ... They're connecting the dots between climate change and this long bout of extreme weather themselves."
Thomas Coffey, 77, of Houston, said you can't help but notice it.
"We use to have mild temperatures in the fall going into winter months. Now, we have summer temperatures going into winter," Coffey said. "The whole Earth is getting warmer and when it gets warmer, the ice cap is going to melt and the ocean is going to rise."
He also said that's what he thinks is causing recent extreme weather.
"That's why you see New York and New Jersey," he said, referring to Superstorm Sandy and its devastation in late October. "When you have a flood like that, flooding tunnels like that. And look at how long the tunnel has been there."
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Associated Press Director of Polling Jennifer Agiesta, News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius and writer Stacy A. Anderson contributed to this report.
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Online: The poll: http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com
Fantastic! must mean Greenland just may be green once again, like it was long ago when the Norsemen lived and farmed there.
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They dont believe what the so called Scientists say because scientists are always changing their mind..Intelligent people question things,, they dont just follow.
Wo gives a damn about the doubters. Look at Mt. Hood, or ask an old climber.
This is not actually very good news. Â People are "believing" in global warming for all the wrong reasons and attributing to it outcomes that aren't accurate. Â Which means that they'll just go back to disbelieving if we have two or three years of relatively quiet weather.
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They need to believe it because of the verifiable science, not a "gut feeling".
So what happened to that dry winter? Its snowing here this morning also and has done nothing but pour for weeks..
@Khre'Riov Ael i-Mhiessan t'Rllaillieu some people are intellectually incapable of distinguishing between local weather, regional climate, and global temperatures.
 @Playanekes This world is ever changing and re-arranging itself. Something it will continue to do and always has done.. Â
@Khre'Riov Ael i-Mhiessan t'Rllaillieu wow. That's profound. Did you come up with this theory yourself or is this something those evil, manipulative scientists told you?
It is hard to think about it while I am looking out the window watching it snow right now. It is in the 20s and kind of cold at the moment. Maybe tomorrow it will be warmer in my part of the globe?
In June 1778, the British retreated from Philadelphia back to New jersey. they marched through 105° weather, and many fell out because of the heat. What caused that unusual temperature?Temps go up. temps go down. To say it's manmade is the height of hubris.
If anyone can show any conclusive data that shows hurricane Sandy was caused by global warming, I would like to see it. I think its ridiculous to link this event to global warming and the data simply does not exist!
More complete BS global warming propoganda , They want more taxes, more regulations, less people.... Google UN ,agenda 21.
@FrankCastle I don't want any of that. You sound like one of those anti-gun clowns telling me all about gun safety while kids are being stabbed in China. You all need to stop assigning ideas and values to people with whom you disagree.
 @FrankCastle Yeah, AP's stats are suspect too. "4 out of 5 Americans"??? Bull hockey.Â
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What the hell does that mean?
I believe in global warming. I don't believe in anthropogenic global warming.
@RalphCramden I believe in limited anthropogenic global warming but I think it's reversible and there's room to debate at part. The science behind this has barely been published and I'll look forward to having a civil discussion about this in a year or so.
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I am certainly willing to look at data. I love data.
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One of the interesting things is that as glaciers retreat they are finding settlements buried there. They are permanent settlements that were abandoned after excessive snowfall. Maybe in times past the earth was warmer and is now headed back to that temperature.
@RalphCramden true about the settlements! Did you hear about the 33,000-year-old dog fossil they found, ritually buried with a mastodon bone in his mouth? Our view of the world is changing so rapidly.
 @RalphCramden You'll live long enough to have your mind changed, as long as you keep it open.
Iâm not as scientist or a climatologist but Iâm pretty confident in saying the flooding which occurred in New York was storm surge and not the melting of the poles. Â
@606 I have not heard anyone claiming that the flooding in New York was caused by the melting of the poles. No, people are pretty much universally blaming the storm surge for that.
 @606 The melting pole means fresh water  being dumped into the ocean, which has a direct effect on currents. currents play a huge role on the type of weather we are seeing.
 @Danny Stephen  @606 Like Lake Agassiz?
 @Danny Stephen  @606 Actually the hurricane Sandy event was brought about by a southerly aberration in the jet stream, and a cold front moving through the appalachian states just as the hurricane passed the Carolinas. These combined to suck it into New England instead of routing it out to sea. Currents have very little to do with it. This is not the first hurricane to hit NYC.
 @Danny Stephen  @606 Oh like the thermalhaline System?
Shh were not suppose to talk about that, no one knows what it is or what it does, we have to keep them in the dark.
@lee986321 You're the only one in the dark.
Warming trend is pretty definite over the past 50-200 years.
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Human causation? Fully open to debate. (No definitive proof one way or the other.)
The climate has always been changing. There are lots of graphs that show it has gone up and done for millions of years. We are actually fairly low compared to times in the past. But if one only shows a graph that spans 1000 years, they can easily create hype.
@Dirtman wrong. Ice samples show data going back 800,000 years illustrate the specific TYPES of carbon in the atmosphere over the entire history of humanity. One type of carbon matches the dramatic increase in carbon in the atmosphere. NASA doesn't need to run their atmospheric carbon theories past the politicians because NASA has robots on Mars and orbiting the sun, and politicians have elections to win, but no robots.
 @Dirtman Huge amounts of emission released world wide, massive amounts of forest being cleared, stripping the land of organic matter, spilling huge amounts of oil into the ocean and fresh water supplies, fertilizers pouring into waterways, fracking, radioactive matrials dumped into the ocean.......nahhh we have no impact
@Danny Stephen @Dirtman Hello danny,
Can you explain why we have had "global warming" for over 3000 years? Remember there used to be palm trees near Egypt, but now there is not very many...
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Can you explain how the sun warming does not cause global warming? The sun is the hottest it has ever been!
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Can you explain how nuclear tests in outer space does not cause global warming?
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I bet you support a carbon tax system as well! You are brainwashed, you think we are causing global warming when it is happening naturall!
@Festivus @portlandborn83 @JTesla I've heard this from climate researchers in Alaska to NASA scientists in Virginia but unless Rush Limbaugh and Lars Larson approve of it--what with their science credentials--it isn't valid. We gotta ignore NASA too...those people don't understand ANYTHING about planetary climate science.
 @portlandborn83  @JTesla So f'ing what?
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If the cause of previous warming events is not the same as today's cause, your point is moot.
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All you have to understand is that Carbon in the atmosphere is the cause, and the human fingerprint on C02 is fully traceable. Â
@portlandborn83 By the way, thanks for the link to the Stanford site in that sunspot chart. I don't know what your point was with that, but from reading their site "the Sun may play some small role, 'it is nevertheless much smaller than the estimated radiative forcing due to anthropogenic changes.'" http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html is the specific page where you can read that gem and more.
@portlandborn83 How about a real graph, from NOAA: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/ipcc2007/fig614.png one that acknowledges that the âMedieval Warm Periodâ was relatively localized. More information can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
@JTesla Here is data showing the correlation between sun temperature and CO2:
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http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/600px-Temp-sunspot-co2.svg.png
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and here is a graph that shows that the earth has been hotter before than today:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/library/pics/2000-years-of-global-temperature.jpg
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@Scruffy Scirocco Nice twisting of the discussion. We're talking 3,000 years, if you need to add 9,000 years onto that to make a point then there is something wrong with your argument. Otherwise, by all means provide links to your claims regarding the suns warming trend, I find no data to support that.
 @JTesla  @portlandborn83 Ah, no, the sun has been in a warming trend until 1998, at which point it leveled off and has been dipping slightly down - as have global surface temperatures.12,000 years ago the planet was locked in an ice age. We are in an interglacial warming period, and if the pattern holds up, we're nearly at the end of it now. Not warming? Tell it to the Mammoths.You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
@portlandborn83 "The sun is the hottest it has ever been!" No. It's been in a slight cooling trend since 1978 "we have had "global warming" for over 3000 years" Again, no. I'll support you in fighting any carbon tax system, but you are simply incorrect regarding your statements regarding warming/cooling trends over the last 3000 years and regarding the suns solar output.
@Danny Stephen it amazes me all the geniuses on here that still think what is happening with the planet is not our fault. The human race is a parasite to this world. People are ignorant of something they cannot see or that doesnt fill their pocketbooks. One day reality will set in for the people of this planet, but by then it will be too late. THe planet will reclaim itself and wipe out the human parasite. maybe thats a good thing. But as for me, I try to live my life to make a difference.