Proposed new gun rules would renew ban on assault weapons

WASHINGTON (AP) - One early focus of new gun regulations by President Barack Obama and some lawmakers would reinstate a federal ban on assault weapons, a law widely regarded as imperfect.
The ban, which existed for 10 years until 2004, would have made it illegal for the young gunman in Connecticut to use the 30-round magazines that allowed him to shoot so many elementary school students before he reloaded. But the ban and other U.S. gun laws wouldn't have prevented his mother's purchase of the powerful assault rifle or the especially deadly ammunition that he used to kill 26 people.
A generation of U.S. gun laws - and the inherent compromises intended to balance constitutional gun rights and public safety - reflects the intricacies of applying government policy to stem acts of mass violence.
Since July, there have been at least four mass shootings that killed 47 people and wounded dozens more in Connecticut, Colorado, Oregon and Wisconsin. The killing of 20 children and six adults in a Newtown, Conn., elementary school appears to be a tipping point that pushed Congress and the White House toward tackling new gun laws.
Obama on Wednesday directed Vice President Joe Biden to produce recommendations on new gun laws and pledged to push for them without delay.
"This time, the words need to lead to action," Obama said.
The details of such laws have long stymied lawmakers. Gun control advocates say this has left significant gaps in laws that have not had and likely would not have much impact on recent deadly shootings.
The 1994 ban outlawed specific weapons, including the Colt AR-15, UZI and TEC-9, and high-capacity magazines and clips that held more than 10 bullets. But the law didn't outlaw the caliber - the approximate internal diameter of the barrel - of any of the high-powered weapons used in the most recent mass killings.
Also, federal law bars someone who "has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution" from buying a gun. Yet Jared Loughner, who has pleaded guilty earlier this year in the deadly 2011 attack on then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Ariz., and has at times been forcefully medicated to treat his mental illness, was not ruled by a court to be mentally ill before the attack.
Investigators are still sorting out the past of 20-year-old Adam Lanza, the gunman in the Newtown school killings. But since he didn't buy the guns - his mother owned the firearms and kept them in the family's home - federal laws wouldn't have affected Lanza's access to them.
Tom Diaz, a senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center, said lawmakers should focus on a weapon's firepower. In the Colorado theater shooting and the deadly attack at a suburban Portland mall, police said the accused shooters used AR-15 assault rifles, versions of which were outlawed under the 1994 ban. Diaz said bullets fired from those types of guns are powerful enough to pierce all but the highest-grade, military-style, bullet-proof vests.
"It's designed for battlefield use," Diaz said.
Gun control long has been a politically difficult subject.
"The fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing," Obama said. "The fact that we can't prevent every act of violence doesn't mean we can't steadily reduce the violence."
The president, who expended little political capital on gun control despite a series of mass shootings in his first term, bristled at suggestions that he had been silent on the issue during his first four years in office. But he acknowledged that Friday's deadly shooting in Connecticut had been "a wake-up call for all of us."
Along with asking Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban, Obama asked lawmakers to pass legislation that would close the gun show "loophole," which allows people to purchase firearms from private dealers without a background check. Obama also said he wanted Congress to pursue the possibility of limiting high-capacity ammunition clips.
Gunmen have used high-capacity ammunition clips and magazines to kill large numbers of people quickly in this year's mass shootings. Inside Sandy Hook Elementary, police said, Lanza needed just 10 minutes to shoot and kill 20 children and six adults. Each was shot multiple times with a high-powered rifle.
The president's announcement Wednesday underscores the urgency the White House sees in formulating a response to the Newtown shooting. The massacre has prompted several congressional gun rights supporters to consider new legislation to control firearms, and there is some concern that their willingness to engage could fade as the shock and sorrow over the Newtown shooting eases.
Appealing to gun owners, Obama said he believes in the Second Amendment and the country's strong tradition of gun ownership. And he said "the vast majority of gun owners" in America are responsible.
"I am also betting that the majority, the vast majority, of responsible, law-abiding gun owners would be some of the first to say that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few from buying a weapon of war," Obama said.
The president challenged the National Rifle Association, the country's most powerful gun lobby and key backer of many Republican politicians, to join the broader effort to reduce gun violence as well.
"Hopefully they'll do some self-reflection," Obama said of the NRA.
The NRA made its first comments since the Newtown shooting on Tuesday, promising to offer "meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."
The ban, which existed for 10 years until 2004, would have made it illegal for the young gunman in Connecticut to use the 30-round magazines that allowed him to shoot so many elementary school students before he reloaded. But the ban and other U.S. gun laws wouldn't have prevented his mother's purchase of the powerful assault rifle or the especially deadly ammunition that he used to kill 26 people.
A generation of U.S. gun laws - and the inherent compromises intended to balance constitutional gun rights and public safety - reflects the intricacies of applying government policy to stem acts of mass violence.
Since July, there have been at least four mass shootings that killed 47 people and wounded dozens more in Connecticut, Colorado, Oregon and Wisconsin. The killing of 20 children and six adults in a Newtown, Conn., elementary school appears to be a tipping point that pushed Congress and the White House toward tackling new gun laws.
Obama on Wednesday directed Vice President Joe Biden to produce recommendations on new gun laws and pledged to push for them without delay.
"This time, the words need to lead to action," Obama said.
The details of such laws have long stymied lawmakers. Gun control advocates say this has left significant gaps in laws that have not had and likely would not have much impact on recent deadly shootings.
The 1994 ban outlawed specific weapons, including the Colt AR-15, UZI and TEC-9, and high-capacity magazines and clips that held more than 10 bullets. But the law didn't outlaw the caliber - the approximate internal diameter of the barrel - of any of the high-powered weapons used in the most recent mass killings.
Also, federal law bars someone who "has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution" from buying a gun. Yet Jared Loughner, who has pleaded guilty earlier this year in the deadly 2011 attack on then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Ariz., and has at times been forcefully medicated to treat his mental illness, was not ruled by a court to be mentally ill before the attack.
Investigators are still sorting out the past of 20-year-old Adam Lanza, the gunman in the Newtown school killings. But since he didn't buy the guns - his mother owned the firearms and kept them in the family's home - federal laws wouldn't have affected Lanza's access to them.
Tom Diaz, a senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center, said lawmakers should focus on a weapon's firepower. In the Colorado theater shooting and the deadly attack at a suburban Portland mall, police said the accused shooters used AR-15 assault rifles, versions of which were outlawed under the 1994 ban. Diaz said bullets fired from those types of guns are powerful enough to pierce all but the highest-grade, military-style, bullet-proof vests.
"It's designed for battlefield use," Diaz said.
Gun control long has been a politically difficult subject.
"The fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing," Obama said. "The fact that we can't prevent every act of violence doesn't mean we can't steadily reduce the violence."
The president, who expended little political capital on gun control despite a series of mass shootings in his first term, bristled at suggestions that he had been silent on the issue during his first four years in office. But he acknowledged that Friday's deadly shooting in Connecticut had been "a wake-up call for all of us."
Along with asking Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban, Obama asked lawmakers to pass legislation that would close the gun show "loophole," which allows people to purchase firearms from private dealers without a background check. Obama also said he wanted Congress to pursue the possibility of limiting high-capacity ammunition clips.
Gunmen have used high-capacity ammunition clips and magazines to kill large numbers of people quickly in this year's mass shootings. Inside Sandy Hook Elementary, police said, Lanza needed just 10 minutes to shoot and kill 20 children and six adults. Each was shot multiple times with a high-powered rifle.
The president's announcement Wednesday underscores the urgency the White House sees in formulating a response to the Newtown shooting. The massacre has prompted several congressional gun rights supporters to consider new legislation to control firearms, and there is some concern that their willingness to engage could fade as the shock and sorrow over the Newtown shooting eases.
Appealing to gun owners, Obama said he believes in the Second Amendment and the country's strong tradition of gun ownership. And he said "the vast majority of gun owners" in America are responsible.
"I am also betting that the majority, the vast majority, of responsible, law-abiding gun owners would be some of the first to say that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few from buying a weapon of war," Obama said.
The president challenged the National Rifle Association, the country's most powerful gun lobby and key backer of many Republican politicians, to join the broader effort to reduce gun violence as well.
"Hopefully they'll do some self-reflection," Obama said of the NRA.
The NRA made its first comments since the Newtown shooting on Tuesday, promising to offer "meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."
 I guess I have to ask, If anyone at schools were armed and trained to use a weapon, how many of these cases would cease? OH I know it sounds like the old west days, but think about it, these Nut cases prey on the innocent places where safety is suppose to be present, I guarantee you whether they want to or not they were made to be trained with a fire arm, and this SOB started to come about,. anyone of these teachers would of taken him out with out one question ask to save these children, so I ask you do we arm or disarm? if you disarm the Nuts cases will know this and will steal or make a auto weapon they could care less, if you arm and train, they may think twice about busting in a door knowing it is now not as safe for them because now someone can shoot back, yes he may get a couple but never again this many, because I guarantee you that principal as brave as she was would not of thought twice about blowing his head off, plain and simple, not a pretty picture i know , but a lot prettier than the way IT turned out.   Â
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If gun control does not work, why don't we legalize fully automatic rifles?
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How many people are willing to make the case that if Adam Lanza had a machine gun then the body count would still be the same?
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That's what you are arguing when you say that the guns are not part of the problem. The guns didn't make him do it, but they gave him the necessary firepower to accomplish what he did.
Gun control does not work!Leave my gun rights alone you worthless do nothing libs!
Wow, a lot of misinformation in this article.
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First, while you can fire AR15's quickly, especially in close range - using a rifle such as a children-s variation (small stock) Remington 700, in .30-06 would make each shot taken at close range a fatal shot. There would be no need to fire multiple times into a victim. Particularly if hitting anywhere in the torso.
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This is reinforced by the fact it took Lee Harvey Oswald approximately 6 seconds to fire 4 shots at John Kennedy - at a distance. He murdered a POTUS and critically wounded a Governor. Charles Whitman used a Remington 700 to murder most of the people in his rampage.
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I find it very disturbing that people seem to ignore high-power rifles, but focus on "military rifles" only. I'm not sure how people don't think that hunting rifles are just as dangerous as automatic rifles. Just because you can't fire as fast doesn't mean that each shot out of that vastly more powerful hunting rifle is far more deadly. Like the girl who was shot in the chest with the recent CTC shooting - she would have died on the scene had she been hit with a .30-06 round - and most likely, that would have passed right through her and killed one other person as well.
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-Mass shootings has not increased in frequency over time.
-2 people killed at a mall is not a mass shooting.
-The media is sensationalizing gun control and this story.
-Sandy hook was mentioned in the batman movie
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@portlandborn83 "Sandy hook was mentioned in the batman movie" I would have been disappointed if you didn't bring that up.
OMG!!!! The proposed law would have made it illegal for the cowardly SOB to use a 30-round magazine? THAT would have have stopped him.
Stock up on weapons, ammo and magazines. The US is suspending habeas corpus. They can some and take you away at anytime and toss you in prison. No trial, no charges, no attorney and no communication with anyone.
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 @RalphCramden When are the sheeple going to wake the **** up and realize what's happened under countless regimes throughout history really COULD happen here. And these people keep voting for the regime.
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Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Amin, Pol Pot etc. were all chosen by the people.
Ralph - I couldn't agree more. People need to wake up and look around. Things are spinning out of control at a faster rate all the time. There's not enough space here to mention how many ways. Sounds like you get it though. I wish more people did. WIthin the last few days I understand a huge number of citizens are arming themselves to which I say FANTASTIC! Keep talking about it with everyone you know and maybe a few more people can have an awakening. A well thought out statement or arguement can go a long way. I've got a good friend who has now changed her mind about firearms. A few months ago she was afraid to have a gun in her house. I let her handle my personal carry weapon (unloaded) so she could get a feel for it and not be so afraid. Then their truck was broken into right in their driveaway and her husband finally bought a hand gun. There had been a number of break ins in their area and he wanted to be able to protect his family. He has taken her out to target practice and now she wants a gun of her own. Awesome. BTW, I didn't vote for the regime. I did a "write in". Couldn't bring myself to vote for either of the Presidential candidates.
 @Conspirator  @RalphCramden I agree with you Conspirator.They want to dis arm us so it can happen here.The sheeple will never wake up until it is too late.
@Jim330rifle You realize that the main thing you are replying to here is in regards to the NDAA which is also supported by many conservatives, right? Who's the "sheeple" now?
 @Conspirator  @RalphCramden Hitler was not chosen by the people. Neither was Stalin or Mao. Where did you get that hairbrained non-fact?
@RalphCramden Nothing new, the refusal to remove it is new, but I've been voicing opposition to the NDAA for quite some time. It was hard for me to get traction during the election as both major candidates supported it.
Gun sale are at an all time high. More guns being sold than ever before in the history of the US.
who's the old man playing with his tie. Does he even know where he is and whats going on?
@LostSoul Give him a break, they just woke him up from a 2 month slumber, and they weren't supposed to wake him until mid January.
again- guns laws will work about as good as the war on drugs! FAILURE
@LostSoul So let's get rid of drug laws.
 @JTesla  @LostSoul Many are trying as a matter of fact were you not one of those supporting MJ in Oregon being legal?
@FreedomRocks I actually support removing the ban of all drug laws, makes it easier seeing as how they are a failure. However, I'm usually not overly vocal regarding marijuana. Sure I support legalization I just have a problem with some of the most vocal supporters of legalization (not on these forums, but in person).
Joe Biden producing "recommendations". That's laughable. That's like putting the lunatics in charge of the asylum. In this case......a crazy man trying to figure out why crazy people do crazy things.
The 1st amendment to our Constitution is not absolute. There are reasonable limits placed on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Why can't there by some reasonable limits placed on the 2nd amendment right to own a gun? It makes perfect sense to me so let's get some reasonable limits to gun ownership in place. No one is saying you can't own a gun to protect your family or bag an elk.Â
If Reagan and other Republicans supported it, there has to be some credence to it. These weapons were made for the military for taking out mass people, which they do quite well. There is a distinction between a gun for hunting or target practice and an Assault Weapon.
 @Shannon OLSEN Not really. The only real distinction is in it's fire mode: semi-auto, bolt-action vs. fully automatic.   Without a special license, ordinary citizens cannot own fully automatic weapons.  I've heard many people in the pro gun control mindset, purposefully and erroneously blur the distinction between the two.  Semi-auto are not considered 'assault' rifles.Â
At the same time, many branches of the military train snipers using an array of bolt action (but the varying magazine capacity) rifles. Â The Remington 700 is frequently used for example. Â Is that an 'assault rifle'? Â The point being, that the only weapons that fully and accurately meet that criteria are fully automatic weapons (pistols included) and they are currently illegal.
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"Â These weapons were made for the military for taking out mass people.."
Many weapons (not just firearms) possess that potential.
 @Shannon OLSEN No they were not they are civilian versions of weapons made for the military. You can't buy the military versions. A civilian version looks the same but is only semi auto like 95% of the other guns sold that no one seems to want to ban.
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The real issue is people like you who no nothing about what they are talking about think one scary looking gun at the local gun store is the same as the scary looking gun they see on the soldiers. They are not the same but quit different in function.
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So the reality of this is lets ban scary looking guns for the not so bright portion of our population feels safer.
An article poking at the silliness of repeating the prior ban on âassault weaponsâ, where are the cries regarding KATU's bias now?
 Nothing like seeing the  POTUS rushing to use these tragedies to his political advantage
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Nothing like fools telling us kids can't be safe in their classrooms. WTF do you need a thirty round clip for? You that bad a shot and you're afraid the deer might charge? And a .223 is NOT an effing hunting weapon. It was designed so that the bullets are unstable and start to tumble (not just mushroom) on impact for maximimum tissue damage. That is not something a hunter wants. A hunter wants MINIMUM tissue damage.
 @Mechanic WTF does someone need 5 rounds of .30-06 for in a carbine? That's enough to fell almos ta half dozen elk, or kill a dozen human beings (especially when they are huddled up). I say ban all guns.
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nothing like naive fools who don't realize criminals don't give a rats arse about gun laws.  The guns used in the recent killing were "semi-automatic"..... so you ban semi automatic assault style rifles, then a killer wears a vest that holds five semi automatic  hand guns w/10 rounds each.... the reality is the killer would get off pretty much as many shots as with one weapon.
You guys are just fooling yourselves if you thing restricting guns for law abiding citizens will to anything to deter criminal activity.
Apparently our politicians don't have the guts  to take guns from criminals, but just keep messing with honest people.  Criminals don't care about laws, and don't buy guns at gun shows or gun shops.  I bought my AR-15 about 5 years ago in a backyard sale, how will they stop that?  That's how criminals also do it.
@RandyH Maybe the crooks don't get them at gun shows (I believe they do, actually.), but crazy people do, and crooks buy them from people who buy them at gun shows.
 @Mechanic  Sorry but you can't buy a gun at any gun show without all the same checks as the local gun store. If caught buying one out of someones trunk in the parking lot both people would likely end up in jail.
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Again if you don't know what you are talking about maybe you should just be listening and not talking?
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Now if you changed the law to say private party sales had to be handled by a valid FFL holder for a small fee currently usually $50 dollars. That might actually make a difference but again only for the law fearing people not the criminals.
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I don't sell my guns to anyone but an FFL just for piece of mind even though I know I am losing $100-200 or more every time I do it. They need to be able to take it in make sure it works fine and sell it for a profit.
Joe Biden looks like he's just about to break down in tears...Â
@margay1 ........mentally deranged people sometimes do that, Margay.
"""""Hopefully they'll do some self-reflection," Obama said of the NRA."""""
And if its thoughtful logical reflection as opposed to the emotional knee jerk response from the left..... the NRA would come to the logical conclusion that restricting the rights of law abiding citizens DOES NOTHING to stop mass killers as they almost always have aquired their weapons ILLEGALLY
 @kramr So right!
@kramr It would stop SOME mass killings and it would stop a lot of killings such as the one in Colorado where a guy convicted of domestic violence goes and buys a brand new gun and kills his ex-girl friend and two people trying to help her.
@Mechanic  So you are naive enough to think that if he could not buy a  gun at a gun  store, he'd just give up trying to find a gun....... I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you, cheap....