Rockets from Gaza jolt Tel Aviv area

 @B Smizzle Riiiiiight. Yeah, the "Palestinians" 'defend' themselves by firing rockets at civilians targets in Israel.

Gazans have been on the offense and Israel has been on the defense yet you continually attempt to obfuscate the reality and repeatedly suggest that both are at fault on a relatively equal basis without any basis in fact.

 @B Smizzle  BSmizzle wrote, "It takes two to tango....both parties are at fault! " True, but not remotely on an equal basis.

Israel has the right to establish a naval blockade when Gaza commits acts of war against them. Israel has the right to defend itself.

The aggressor and defender are not morally equivalent.

You have repeatedly gone far afield for your sources (including citing prisonplanet and infowars) to prove that Iran isn't a threat to anyone and that Israel is somehow at fault because Islamic fanatics are hellbent on murdering them.

 @iamtroglodite And not when you blockade a entire population from the world and treat them like prisoners on their own land!

 

Both are to blame!

 @mikew But then agian you are right....it never takes two to tango....Israel is ALWAYS right and them darn dirty arabs are just savages out for blood.....dee....derp, de.....derp!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIzivCJ9pzU

 @mikew "but they're only Jews so that doesn't really count"

No actually they do count....but unlike you and 95% of the people here I believe ALL dead people count....Palestinians included!  

 

" Imagine, Jews actually defending "

Imagine, Palestinians defending themselves....oh wait, only Israel can do that, Palestinians are always terrorists.  If you suggest otherwise you are antisemitic....my TV told me that so it's got to be true!

 

Also I never mentioned Jews, you did! 

 

 @B Smizzle  <sarcasm begin> Yeah, there may have been three civilians killed, but they're only Jews so that doesn't really count. After all, we don't like Jews and quietly hope that the fanatics succeed in their never-ending quest to murder all of them. If they retaliate, that only slows their own deaths and we can't have that, can we? Imagine, Jews actually defending themselves!  How outrageous! <sarcasm end>

 @Max Quinn  Your comment presumes that Israelis haven't considering and tried other options. How many times must one sit across a negotiating table with those who have sworn to kill you and watch their "negotiators" insist that they have a right to everything and that you have a right to nothing? How many times must they witness these murderous fanatics violate security "guarantees" before the ink is dry? How many times must the turn the other cheek before one realizes that it's a fool's errand?

No, military retaliation doesn't solve the problem. Yet, for the time being, it remains the best of a set of very poor options available to Israel.

 @KHEB  @Max Quinn "hamas you reap what you sow"

 

Should the US and Israel reap what they sow as well or does it only work one way with you?

 

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/liz-cheney-acknowledges-bushs-gaza-catastrophe

 

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804

 

http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/06/04/u-s-involvement-in-the-great-game-realpolitiks-in-gaza/

 

"Israel has more than bent over backwards,"

Can you show one time they bent over backwards?  I mean I know I have just shown above how the Palestinian's were BENT OVER after having their hands forced into democracy and look what their reward was....can you back up your claim?

 

I know you won't read any of the links you have proven a coward to facts in the past, your TV tells you all you need to know!  USA...USA.....USA......We're #1......We're #1......

 @KHEB  @Max Quinn are you suggesting that the people of Gaza turn the other cheek when Israel total cuts them off from the world?  Just because the news media in the west is not and has not be printing, showing on TV the WAR CRIMES and breaking of International law that  Israel continues day in and day our.  

 

How could Hamas be a good neighbor.  They were elected democratically in 2006 thanks to Bush pushing for elections then when Hamas won, Bush armed and gave money and training to Fatah to overthrow the democratically elected government!  What would we do if China decided to acknowledge Mitt Romney and his group as the rightful government of the US then armed them and back them with money and in the UN....what would we do?

 

It takes two to tango....both parties are at fault!  

 

"now it's time to show Hamas you reap what you sow"

Ummmm Yeah, will you take the time to read all 6 pages.....I know, American Idol is almost on and Israel is ALWAYS a victim....no need to read up on the facts....I already know you won't face facts, you have proven that in the past...and you vote....sad...so sad....no clue at all!  You won't read it because you are afraid of facts and truth!  If you do read it....honestly, what would you do if a country did this to us?

 

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804

 @iamtroglodite Exactly...how can rockets that kill 3 people threaten the existence of Israel....you just answered your own question!

 @Max Quinn ... are you suggesting Israel keep turning the other cheek?  Just because the news media is and has not been printing, showing on TV the atrocious pictures of dead and bleeding Israelis does not mean Hamas has been a good little neighbor...time for retaliation and annihilation....enough is enough.  Israel has more than bent over backwards, now it's time to show Hamas you reap what you sow....

"Can the conflict really be settle this way?" Not when you fire 150 rockets and only get 3 people. Seems to me that is not very cost effective.

It's funny how people try to re-write history to try and prove a point. Well Said mikew. Well Said!!!

Repoman then who is is it that fires rockets everyday into Isreal? Every time Isreal sits down to Talk peace, someone on the other side don't like what is said and Hamus orders a rocket strike against Isreal. The last bad rocket strike targeted a school bus full of kids. Also Iran and the Palestinians also preach on a day to day basis the distruction of Isreal. They also say that the Holocost never happened and it is a lie to keep people on the jews side. I also think you should see who started the Isreal war in 73.

@B Smizzle  It's amusing how you sidestepped the question. Here it is again -

"Please give me a single example of a modern nation state who, when attacked by neighboring nations bent on genocide, has defeated the aggressors and captured territory during counterattacks and then has been required by the international community to return the captured territory to the aggressor nation(s)."

BSmizzle also wrote, "International law dictates you can not claim land from war conquest!" True, but no reasonable reading of modern Middle Eastern history (with particular emphasis on the 1967 Six Day War) would hold that Israel embarked on a war on conquest. They were defending themselves against three larger, wealthier nations who invaded with the express purpose of driving the Jews into the Sea. Israel was the defender and there never was any conquest (because the aggressors lost!)

 @Repoman Repoman wrote, "Israel will finish off the last of the peoples who once lived in what was the state of Palestine"

1. There has never been a "state of Palestine"

2. There is no basis in fact for your assertion that" Israel will finish off the last of the peoples." Israel does not engage in mass murder. That is the hallmark of the Islamic extremists. To the contrary, Israeli forces take great pains to minimize civilian casualties that might result from their retaliatory strikes.

 @mikew  @Repoman International law dictates you can not claim land from war conquest!  

 

http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/internationallaw/studyguides/sgil3a.htm

 

 

Holding Israel to standards the rest of the world is held to IS NOT antisemitism.  Speaking the truth about Israel is also not antisemitism and to even imply such basically proves you have no argument.   The victim card is soooooooooooooooooooo played!

 

Even notice how it is always the Palestinians that need to do something to make peace but never, ever Israel!

 

 

 

 @Repoman  @mikew Except that was never a state of Palestine, just like a Palestinian is not an nationality, but there was definitely a state of Israel that existed thousands of years ago and exists today and is populated predominantly by people of Jewish nationality, who give equal freedoms to all other nationalities that legally live in Israel.

 @Repoman  @scared_citizen Actually, Israel accepted the two state solution back in 1948, but was immediately attacked by 5 Arab armies. The two state solution was NEVER implemented - no one could ever get the Arabs to agree to anything that would legitimize the state of Israel. Don't be silly - read up on history.

 @mikew 

 

If you're going to bring up Britain, we should talk about WWI.

 

What the Brits did to that region is no better. France taking its share of spoils in the form of Syria, Britain its spoils.

 

All from the deposed Ottomans.

 

So yeah, this region has been carved up by people who don't live there since the Ancient Egyptians.

 

Israelis and the "west" are just the most recent folks to do it.

 

 @mikew 

 

I never said they should return it. I never said they should not have taken it.

 

I am telling the folks who say Palestinians should compromise are missing why they are behaving so badly.

 

But the ONLY reason why this is an issue is because Israel sprang out of EUROPE and landed on the Palestinians.

 

So good or bad, this is the bed the Israelis made themselves, intentionally.

 

Does anyone doubt if there were no technological advantages between the white settlers and Native Americans we would not see the same thing here?

 

This will resolve itself. Israel will finish off the last of the peoples who once lived in what was the state of Palestine and those people will filter into the populations of various countries. Eventually profit will outweigh ancient rivalries and these peoples will work together.

 

Just think about it, Mediterranean casinos on Palestinian “reservations”. Or something like it just might happen. Look at the turn around Lebanon has had since the occupation of it has ended?

 @Repoman  Please give me a single example of a modern nation state who, when attacked by neighboring nations bent on genocide, has defeated the aggressors and captured territory during counterattacks and then has been required by the international community to return the captured territory to the aggressor nation(s).

Holding Israel to a standard that no other modern nation-state is held IS antisemitism.

 @B Smizzle  The Native Americans have been a separate, distinct community for thousands of years (based on anthropological evidence.) The Jews have been an identifiably separate group for other 3,500 years. The "Palestinians" have been an identifiably separate group from other Arabs throughout the region since shortly after the Arabs lost the 1967 Six Day War (and certainly not before Israel's founding in 1948.)

If you dispute this, then please answer a few questions: Prior to that, who was their President, Prime Minister or King? Who were their cultural and social leaders? What was their agenda? Where was their capital? What were their differences with neighboring Arabs in Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and other nations? Who were their ambassadors and with what other nations did they meet? What were their goals?

 @Julie  @Repoman  @scared_citizen American Indians had no nationality to speak of....did we steal their land or did they not exist?

 

"Just like Jews, they were offered a part of the land (aka two state solution),"

If your family lived in an area for generations and another people came in and said we are taking over half the land with only 20% of the people would YOU go along with it?

 

What would you do if China came into Portland and said God promised it to them, and the UN said "yep it's theirs" and then they displaced you, moved into your house, neighborhoods and took your land, would you feel as you do now or would you reject it?

 

Thought so.......