Man kills mother, then 26 at Conn. grade school
NEWTOWN, Conn. (AP) — A man killed his mother at their home and then opened fire Friday inside an elementary school, massacring 26 people, including 20 children, as youngsters cowered in fear to the sound of gunshots reverberating through the building and screams echoing over the intercom.
The 20-year-old killer, carrying at least two handguns, committed suicide at the school, bringing the death toll to 28, authorities said.
The rampage, coming less than two weeks before Christmas, was the nation's second-deadliest school shooting, exceeded only by the Virginia Tech massacre that claimed 33 lives in 2007.
"Our hearts are broken today," a tearful President Barack Obama, struggling to maintain his composure, said at the White House. He called for "meaningful action" to prevent such shootings, saying, "As a country, we have been through this too many times."
Police shed no light on the motive for the attack. The gunman, Adam Lanza, was believed to suffer from a personality disorder and lived with his mother, said a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation but was not authorized to discuss it.
Panicked parents looking for their children raced to Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, a prosperous New England community of about 27,000 people 60 miles northeast of New York City. Police told youngsters at the kindergarten-through-fourth-grade school to close their eyes as they were led from the building so that they wouldn't see the blood and broken glass.
Schoolchildren — some crying, others looking frightened — were escorted through a parking lot in a line, hands on each other's shoulders.
Law enforcement officials speaking on condition of anonymity said that Lanza killed his mother, Nancy Lanza, then drove to the school in her car with at least three guns, including a high-powered rifle that he apparently left in the back of the vehicle, and shot up two classrooms around 9:30 a.m.
Authorities gave no details on exactly how the attack unfolded, but police radio traffic indicated the shooting lasted only a few minutes.
A custodian ran through the halls, warning of a gunman on the loose, and someone switched on the intercom, alerting people in the building to the attack — and perhaps saving many lives — by letting them hear the hysteria going on in the school office, a teacher said. Teachers locked their doors and ordered children to huddle in a corner or hide in closets as shots echoed through the building.
State police Lt. Paul Vance said 28 people in all were killed, including the gunman, and a woman who worked at the school was wounded. The school's principal was believed to be among the dead.
A law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity said investigators believe Lanza attended the school several years ago but appeared to have no recent connection to the place.
At least one parent said Lanza's mother was a substitute teacher there. But her name did not appear on a staff list. And the law enforcement official said investigators were unable to establish any connection so far between her and the school.
Lanza's older brother, 24-year-old Ryan, of Hoboken, N.J., was being questioned, but a law enforcement official said he was not believed to have had a role in the rampage. Investigators were searching his computers and phone records, but he told law enforcement he had not been in touch with his brother since about 2010.
The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the unfolding investigation.
At one point, a law enforcement official mistakenly identified the gunman as Ryan Lanza. Brett Wilshe, a friend of Ryan Lanza's, said Lanza told him the gunman may have had his identification. Ryan Lanza apparently posted Facebook page updates Friday afternoon that read, "It wasn't me" and "I was at work."
Robert Licata said his 6-year-old son was in class when the gunman burst in and shot the teacher. "That's when my son grabbed a bunch of his friends and ran out the door," he said. "He was very brave. He waited for his friends."
He said the shooter didn't utter a word.
Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs. Teachers told her to get in a corner, he said. "It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said. His daughter was uninjured.
Theodore Varga was in a meeting with other fourth-grade teachers when he heard the gunfire. He said someone had turned on the intercom so that "you could hear people in the office. You could hear the hysteria that was going on. I think whoever did that saved a lot of people. Everyone in the school was listening to the terror that was transpiring."
Also, a custodian ran around, warning people there was someone with a gun, Varga said.
"He said, 'Guys! Get down! Hide!'" Varga said. "So he was actually a hero." The teacher said he did not know if the custodian survived.
Mergim Bajraliu, 17, said he heard the gunshots echo from his home and ran to check on his 9-year-old sister at the school. He said his sister, who was uninjured, heard a scream come over the intercom. He said teachers were shaking and crying as they came out of the building.
"Everyone was just traumatized," he said.
On Friday night, hundreds of people packed a Newtown church and stood outside in a vigil for the victims. People held hands, lit candles and sang "Silent Night" at St. Rose of Lima church. Anthony Bloss, whose three daughters survived the shootings, said they are doing better than he is. "I'm numb. I'm completely numb," he said at the vigil.
Mary Pendergast said her 9-year-old nephew was in the school at the time of the shooting but wasn't hurt after his music teacher helped him take cover in a closet.
Richard Wilford's 7-year-old son, Richie, told him that he heard a noise that sounded like "cans falling." The boy said a teacher went out to check on the noise, came back in, locked the door and had the children huddle in the corner until police arrived.
"There's no words," Wilford said. "It's sheer terror, a sense of imminent danger, to get to your child and be there to protect him."
On Friday afternoon, family members were led away from a firehouse that was being used as a staging area, some of them weeping. One man, wearing a T-shirt without a jacket, put his arms around a woman as they walked down the middle of the street, oblivious to everything around them. Another woman with tears rolling down her face walked by, carrying a car seat with a baby inside.
"Evil visited this community today and it's too early to speak of recovery, but each parent, each sibling, each member of the family has to understand that Connecticut — we're all in this together. We'll do whatever we can to overcome this event," Gov. Dannel Malloy said.
Adam Lanza and his mother lived in a well-to-do part of Newtown where neighbors are doctors or hold white-collar positions at companies such as General Electric, Pepsi and IBM.
At least three guns were found — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols, inside the school, and a .223-caliber rifle in the back of a car, authorities said. A law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity said some of the guns used in the attack may have belonged to Lanza's mother, who had legally bought five weapons.
The shootings instantly brought to mind such tragedies as the Columbine High School massacre that killed 15 in 1999 and the July shootings at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., that left 12 dead.
"You go to a movie theater in Aurora and all of a sudden your life is taken," Columbine Principal Frank DeAngelis said. "You're at a shopping mall in Portland, Ore., and your life is taken. This morning, when parents kissed their kids goodbye knowing that they are going to be home to celebrate the holiday season coming up, you don't expect this to happen."
He added: "It has to stop, these senseless deaths."
Obama's comments on the tragedy amounted to one of the most outwardly emotional moments of his presidency.
"The majority of those who died were children — beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old," Obama said.
He paused for several seconds to keep his composure as he teared up and wiped an eye. Nearby, two aides cried and held hands as they listened to Obama.
"They had their entire lives ahead of them — birthdays, graduations, wedding, kids of their own," Obama continued about the victims. "Among the fallen were also teachers, men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children."
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Associated Press writers Jim Fitzgerald and Pat Eaton-Robb in Newtown, Bridget Murphy in Boston, Samantha Henry in Newark, N.J., Pete Yost in Washington and Michael Melia in Hartford contributed to this report, as did the AP News Research Center.
The 20-year-old killer, carrying at least two handguns, committed suicide at the school, bringing the death toll to 28, authorities said.
The rampage, coming less than two weeks before Christmas, was the nation's second-deadliest school shooting, exceeded only by the Virginia Tech massacre that claimed 33 lives in 2007.
"Our hearts are broken today," a tearful President Barack Obama, struggling to maintain his composure, said at the White House. He called for "meaningful action" to prevent such shootings, saying, "As a country, we have been through this too many times."
Police shed no light on the motive for the attack. The gunman, Adam Lanza, was believed to suffer from a personality disorder and lived with his mother, said a law enforcement official who was briefed on the investigation but was not authorized to discuss it.
Panicked parents looking for their children raced to Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, a prosperous New England community of about 27,000 people 60 miles northeast of New York City. Police told youngsters at the kindergarten-through-fourth-grade school to close their eyes as they were led from the building so that they wouldn't see the blood and broken glass.
Schoolchildren — some crying, others looking frightened — were escorted through a parking lot in a line, hands on each other's shoulders.
Law enforcement officials speaking on condition of anonymity said that Lanza killed his mother, Nancy Lanza, then drove to the school in her car with at least three guns, including a high-powered rifle that he apparently left in the back of the vehicle, and shot up two classrooms around 9:30 a.m.
Authorities gave no details on exactly how the attack unfolded, but police radio traffic indicated the shooting lasted only a few minutes.
A custodian ran through the halls, warning of a gunman on the loose, and someone switched on the intercom, alerting people in the building to the attack — and perhaps saving many lives — by letting them hear the hysteria going on in the school office, a teacher said. Teachers locked their doors and ordered children to huddle in a corner or hide in closets as shots echoed through the building.
State police Lt. Paul Vance said 28 people in all were killed, including the gunman, and a woman who worked at the school was wounded. The school's principal was believed to be among the dead.
A law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity said investigators believe Lanza attended the school several years ago but appeared to have no recent connection to the place.
At least one parent said Lanza's mother was a substitute teacher there. But her name did not appear on a staff list. And the law enforcement official said investigators were unable to establish any connection so far between her and the school.
Lanza's older brother, 24-year-old Ryan, of Hoboken, N.J., was being questioned, but a law enforcement official said he was not believed to have had a role in the rampage. Investigators were searching his computers and phone records, but he told law enforcement he had not been in touch with his brother since about 2010.
The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the unfolding investigation.
At one point, a law enforcement official mistakenly identified the gunman as Ryan Lanza. Brett Wilshe, a friend of Ryan Lanza's, said Lanza told him the gunman may have had his identification. Ryan Lanza apparently posted Facebook page updates Friday afternoon that read, "It wasn't me" and "I was at work."
Robert Licata said his 6-year-old son was in class when the gunman burst in and shot the teacher. "That's when my son grabbed a bunch of his friends and ran out the door," he said. "He was very brave. He waited for his friends."
He said the shooter didn't utter a word.
Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs. Teachers told her to get in a corner, he said. "It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America," he said. His daughter was uninjured.
Theodore Varga was in a meeting with other fourth-grade teachers when he heard the gunfire. He said someone had turned on the intercom so that "you could hear people in the office. You could hear the hysteria that was going on. I think whoever did that saved a lot of people. Everyone in the school was listening to the terror that was transpiring."
Also, a custodian ran around, warning people there was someone with a gun, Varga said.
"He said, 'Guys! Get down! Hide!'" Varga said. "So he was actually a hero." The teacher said he did not know if the custodian survived.
Mergim Bajraliu, 17, said he heard the gunshots echo from his home and ran to check on his 9-year-old sister at the school. He said his sister, who was uninjured, heard a scream come over the intercom. He said teachers were shaking and crying as they came out of the building.
"Everyone was just traumatized," he said.
On Friday night, hundreds of people packed a Newtown church and stood outside in a vigil for the victims. People held hands, lit candles and sang "Silent Night" at St. Rose of Lima church. Anthony Bloss, whose three daughters survived the shootings, said they are doing better than he is. "I'm numb. I'm completely numb," he said at the vigil.
Mary Pendergast said her 9-year-old nephew was in the school at the time of the shooting but wasn't hurt after his music teacher helped him take cover in a closet.
Richard Wilford's 7-year-old son, Richie, told him that he heard a noise that sounded like "cans falling." The boy said a teacher went out to check on the noise, came back in, locked the door and had the children huddle in the corner until police arrived.
"There's no words," Wilford said. "It's sheer terror, a sense of imminent danger, to get to your child and be there to protect him."
On Friday afternoon, family members were led away from a firehouse that was being used as a staging area, some of them weeping. One man, wearing a T-shirt without a jacket, put his arms around a woman as they walked down the middle of the street, oblivious to everything around them. Another woman with tears rolling down her face walked by, carrying a car seat with a baby inside.
"Evil visited this community today and it's too early to speak of recovery, but each parent, each sibling, each member of the family has to understand that Connecticut — we're all in this together. We'll do whatever we can to overcome this event," Gov. Dannel Malloy said.
Adam Lanza and his mother lived in a well-to-do part of Newtown where neighbors are doctors or hold white-collar positions at companies such as General Electric, Pepsi and IBM.
At least three guns were found — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols, inside the school, and a .223-caliber rifle in the back of a car, authorities said. A law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity said some of the guns used in the attack may have belonged to Lanza's mother, who had legally bought five weapons.
The shootings instantly brought to mind such tragedies as the Columbine High School massacre that killed 15 in 1999 and the July shootings at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., that left 12 dead.
"You go to a movie theater in Aurora and all of a sudden your life is taken," Columbine Principal Frank DeAngelis said. "You're at a shopping mall in Portland, Ore., and your life is taken. This morning, when parents kissed their kids goodbye knowing that they are going to be home to celebrate the holiday season coming up, you don't expect this to happen."
He added: "It has to stop, these senseless deaths."
Obama's comments on the tragedy amounted to one of the most outwardly emotional moments of his presidency.
"The majority of those who died were children — beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old," Obama said.
He paused for several seconds to keep his composure as he teared up and wiped an eye. Nearby, two aides cried and held hands as they listened to Obama.
"They had their entire lives ahead of them — birthdays, graduations, wedding, kids of their own," Obama continued about the victims. "Among the fallen were also teachers, men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children."
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Associated Press writers Jim Fitzgerald and Pat Eaton-Robb in Newtown, Bridget Murphy in Boston, Samantha Henry in Newark, N.J., Pete Yost in Washington and Michael Melia in Hartford contributed to this report, as did the AP News Research Center.
Obama was obviously saddened, but his "bedside manner" speaking ability is as comforting as a pipe wrench.
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@HarryJuku Is it gun madness, or just political fear? The guy shot his way into a secured school and there was nobody that could stop him. It's also coming out that the guy in the Town Center did run into a concealed carry person that had his weapon ready, and had taken a defensive position behind a pillar (didn't run), and when the shooter saw him with his weapon, he shot himself, possibly stopping the senseless killing of hundreds! Tell us more about your fears of shadows, walking under ladders, black cats, the dark, and what ever else.........cause nobody really cares what you think as you have no valid arguments or debate skills!
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Hate the idea. F YOU. troll
@WebFootSTi no eff u   lol
God dam. The mofo hated his mom so much that he didin't just just kill her he tried to wipe out the inosints around her.
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This has me so upset that I called my dad last night that I was thinking of getting a.38. Gun show this weekend. Untracable.
@WebFootSTi  Atta boy!  carry and kill!
The only ban on firearms should be on the administration further arming violent, criminal organizations in Mexico.
Tomorrow, Dec 16th @ 8pm Central time, we should all stop what we are doing for 5 min and dedicate that time to the children and families of those that lost their lives in yesterdays shooting. We should all show our love and support for them. Pass this on so we can make it happen!!
why central time
@the rover .......does it flipping matter??
@chitwnlady12 .......great idea !
Alright, NRA and Pink Pistols: What should America do to stop further school and mall shootings?
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Since there are almost 300 million firearms in this country and magically getting them to disappear is impossible, then we need to deal with the fact that guns are here to stay.  Then we have to decide if there are ways of limiting their lethality in these types of crimes. Lower capacity magazines have been argued, but that's really debatable value. Inserting a 10 round magazine is fast and simple. need more ammo? Carry more magazines. Plus, there are millions of high capacity magazines out there already. Ban "assault rifles". again millions out there, but will it really stop these types of crimes? No. Clackamas town center is a perfect example. Guy with assault rifle sprays 60 bullets from a rifle and hits 3 people. Guy in CT kills 28 people with two hand guns.
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So what are our options? As with all rights comes the responsibility to exercise those rights responsibly. The mentally ill should not have access to guns, period. that's up to the authorities, gun sellers and most of all, families to ensure. Even if this is done, criminals and the mentally ill can still get guns if they try hard enough. Of course higher security and policies need to be in force for specific areas like schools, but that only goes so far. Remember, laws are for those that choose to follow them. So that leads us back to where we started and why we have the right to protect ourselves with guns.
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This is really going to tick you off, but it's the only thing that is logical and doable. We need to arm more citizens. And I'm not talking about just giving teachers guns or every day citizens; I'm talking about screening, training and arming people. Take the Concealed handgun class and blow it up into a real training course and licensing. In almost all of these mass shooting had ordinary, but armed citizens been nearby these situations could have been reduced significantly.
The police are never close enough to stop these things. The shooter has spent his wrath and ammo and saved the last bullet for himself.
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I know you would like to wave a magic wand and make all guns disappear, but that's fairy land.
What kind of law would you pass to prevent this from happening?
 @oodathunked No more FRYING KID'S BRAINS with Psycho-Wacko prescrobed EXTREMELY TOXIC meds...
Like i said is just the beginning that alot things that coming i wrote alot comments about those kind of things will gonna happens but peopel just dont believe  things vision is my curse, this bastard is burning in the hell for eternity, humanity created his own destruction since the moment they began to invent weapons, created his own destruction from the moment they began to believe that money was the most valuable an important, Since he began creating bacteria to enrich their pockets "a sword will pierce your heart", the pain of mothers who lost their children does not compare to the pain of death in their own life, you say "i'm sorry for your lost" I feel much more for the people who are still alive, because they are always worried about everything that flows through your head, who said that artificial drugs have no side effects??when God said artificial replace the natural?? people have always been on the defensive of the True Law,  that's why man created his own law to their convenience,  is why humanity will be punished not by God, by their own creations, the truth is always there just no one wants to see it,  Don't judge, lest you be judged, best weapon of a person is the mouth. the only heaven the humanity will know will be the stars, mostly suffering and his biggest fear will be the same species. Peace.
@tha last shadow LOL
 @tha last shadow Um......Yeeeeeaaahhhhh....and Moving on....Â
 @tha last shadow Been out on the town tonight?? You sound drunk because your comment makes no sense whatsoever.
 @leapfrogger alcohol its not my fav drink but alot people like that, make a comment with no sense??mmmmmm i don't know "eyes see what they want to see". Peace.
It's time to ensure schools are safe for our children. This act is unexceptable. We need to take a stand to protect our children. My heart goes out to all of the families affected by this tragedy. They were children for pete sake. We need to do something about the guns and make sure just any one can't walk into a school and do this ever again. We must do something to put a stop to this senceless violence. My god those poor kids had their whole lives ahead of them. The president needs to step up and do something. There is nothing worse in the world than loosing a child. Our schools need protection. We need make stricter gun laws. Those poor families need closure and need to know this will never be forgotten and something will get done to enforce what is necessary to protect our kids and everyone else who has been harmed in violent gun acts.
@Cairy Anne Westerbur As much as I share in both your grief and wishes for an end to this, stopping it from ever happening again is truly impossible unless you make the schools a prison type environment and the kids stay there for the whole term. Put up metal detectors with armed guards and have complete pat downs if you will. What will stop a crazed human from stealing a gun from the local Nat.Guard Armory, and shooting the guard at the doors on the way in? Do you even know how many guns disappear from those armories each year? A lot! And all of these guys have commited suicide so that tells you an armed guard isn't going to stop them from trying. Why gun laws with no mention of mental health laws? Oh, because that would be bullying..... Well, this push for gun laws is actually bullying honest, lawabiding gun owners who didn't do anything illegal or morally incorrect.
 @MickRoh  @Cairy I agree but something has to be done. I was thinking of security guards to check ID's at schools so people cant just walk in without being noticed before its to late. And yes I also believe that mental health laws should go hand in hand with the gun laws. and I understand that a lot weapons get stolen. This is just so freaking horrible once again. We have to do something to make it safer.
 @Holli  @Cairy Anne Westerbur  @Cairy I'll volunteer to be a security guard.  I bet you could find 5 parents in every school willing to give up a day a week, if it meant that they could help ensure their kids were safe.  It sounds like he forced his way in anyways, but maybe someone could have slowed him down, or called police a little sooner.  It seems to me there is no way to stop this sort of thing completely, which is terrifying, but maybe we can slow it down a bit.
@Cairy Anne Westerbur@Cairy Anne Westerbur : Unfortunately, there is no money for that. You would need more than one security guard to check ID's because many schools (like the one I work out) consist of multiple buildings and multiple entrances that need to remain unlocked or else kids couldn't get to their classes in a reasonable amount of time. So, more ID checkers means less money for teachers and supplies. And, what if the shooter is someone is belongs to the school, like an enrolled student or staff member? And @MickRoh, even if we banned guns from being sold to mentally ill people, there are two problems with that: A) the mother of the killer wasn't mentally ill. She was the one that bought the guns allegedly. There is no way to assure that whoever you sell a gun to has no relatives/roommates/friends that are mentally ill and B) most people aren't mentally ill from birth, symptoms of mental illness occur later in life, so someone could buy a gun mentally sound and then develop a mental illness later on. Now you have a mentally ill person with a gun and no way to regulate them. The answer to all this is to have no guns in my opinion, but that is unrealistic and impossible at this point in America, sad to say. No pun intended, but I think America has shot herself in the foot on this one.
The other night when this happened at the Town Center everyone was still protecting the right to have arms.. Today 20 children die , it's time to make gun laws that are so strict it blows our minds.. It's about time !
 @dougrpdx I live in South Korea. There isn't any gun violence here, because guns are illegal. Other than military personnel, nobody has guns. Even the police don't carry guns.
 @Morticae Oh, man, I hope nothing happens to you or your country with all the craziness going on in North Korea
 @Morticae  @dougrpdx So, I'm a woman, walking down the street in South Korea and get attacked: What weapon can I legally use to defend myself, my body, and my life? Here in Oregon I was doing just that, but when I pulled my weapon and was ready to shoot my attackers (2) they ran, THEN I called the cops 911 and they went after them and caught them. At least here I can protect myself when I don't have a cop to walk me down the street in the evening. And don't tell me that I shouldn't be out walking at night, that would be fricking rediculous. I watch where I go, not risky neighborhoods.
 @Morticae Yes, but will that SOLVE the PROBLEM?  The answer is no.Â
 @Morticae  @AngieM So,,, no violence in Japan and Korea? I don't think so.
 @AngieM For the record, I support gun ownership. I'm only stating the facts. Fact is, in Korea (and Japan) guns are heavily controlled. Magically, almost zero gun violence exists. Coincidence? No, not really.
 @AngieM Umm... you probably wouldn't get attacked here, so I don't see your point. America is much more violent, that's why you have such an opinion.
 @dougrpdx I'm pretty sure that was already tried, and surprise surprise the criminals don't really care... http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard/CT/
 @ChrisJ82  @dougrpdx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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Wow! Look, countries with more gun control have lower rates of homicide by firearms.
 @Max Quinn Every grade school student knows NOT to cite Wikipedia as a source.
 @Max Quinn  @ChrisJ82  @dougrpdx Never mind the guy in China who killed a bunch of kids in a school with a knife yesterday.  Guns are the problem, rightÂ
 @Max Quinn  @ChrisJ82 I know, it works.. And it needs to work here..
@Max Quinn @ChrisJ82 @dougrpdx Dude, you're a broken record on this and I can go online too and find stats that say the exact opposite. I did it the other night over the CTC event. Using a100,000 per capita ratio, England has almost 5 times more violent crimes than the US. When you start paraphrasing stats you can back up almost any arguement. There is one though, that we are the worst at. In fact we are the only ones to have done it. Use a nuke in anger against innocent humans. We have no where near the amount of riots the European and African countries have! We have a much higher standard of living than most of the world. We are safer in our homes that most other countries. We do have the most active and biased news medias anywhere and they love BIG headlines and lots of drama. Try reading the Associated Press just one day without the words,"speaks under the condition of anonymity due to not being authorized to release any information"..... This is an actual crime being commited and nothing is ever done about it. Why? Because we willingly pay for it to be done and feel like we are getting special treats and juicy tidbits that are forbidden fruits, so to speak. You pay buy reading the connected ads which pay for the story.
I just noticed that it seems like there is a small group of the same people doing a vast majority of posting here. Two hard lined sides and not a one of you seem to have looked at things from the other's perspective, you just use what they've said to add fuel to your arguement..... A closed mind is worthless. If you can not try to see the other's point of view then don't bother posting yours. It's only fair. The only way we can overcome this kind of behavior is to work together to find a solution. Closed-minded thinking will never solve a societies problem. It will only change the formula of the problem. There is no one thing that will fix this. Banning guns will start a war! Punishing innocent people is wrong! I read a lot of proposed witch hunts today. And not a one of you knows the whole truth of what happened today. Not a one! All that's been truly said by the vast majority has been a compitition to see who can put the other down the best. If I could, I'd make you go stand in a corner.
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Fact: no one in the China incident has died.
Fact: we have not given this any time for the families and survivors of this to grieve or even collect their families together for consolation. This includes myself!
Fact: being assaulted with a deadly weapon will change your entire life.
Fact: very few posting today have actually been in a life threatening situation.
Fact: the Sheriff in charge of the investigation does not know what caused this to happen.
Fact: the only person that really knows why this happened is dead.
Fact: we do know how many have died so far and how many were injured in Conn.
Fact: we are all very upset about today's events in both China and Conn.and want something done.
Fact: by killing himself he left us no one to punish for this atrosity which can anger us.
Fact: by arguing over "the right thing to do" hostility is building between the two main oppossing sides.
Fact: there are many major problems with our society today from all walks of life.
Fact: no one is perfect nor has all the answers to the problems of today.
And last but most important of all facts: the sun will rise tomorrow, giving hope that we can work this out, together.
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I'm going to bed now and contemplate all I've read today and asking my GOD to give solice to those people in Conn. that have been hurt by this tragedy. May we find a true plan of action that will work for all of us equally and not infringe on the rights of all honest, law-abiding citizens, regardless of their personal opinions or lifestyle choices.
 @MickRoh And once again your answer to this is do nothing but allow anyone have a gun.. And you whine about entitlements.. This time around we will finally look at guns in America..
We need the most strict gun control in the world, we have the highest homicide rate in the world and a very liberal gun laws...Â
One more fact, the mother had to know her son was troubled and yet she opted to buy guns... If we had gun laws that make the potential buyer answer questions about the family scene and a 30 day waiting period we would have quite possibly a different problem today..
Mick, it's funny how all you see is how this affects your right to guns, and you never seem to care about anyone but yourself.. Sad fact !
 @dougrpdx  @MickRoh I totally agree with STRICTER gun purchasing requirements, with ANY LENGTH of wait time, even a year! Because I would still jump thru all the hoops to maintain my right to protect myself with a firearm, because a knife and all the martial arts training is not going to get the job done of protecting myself when I'm attacked by bad people...PERIOD! I carry concealed, everyday, everywhere it's legal. I've been attacked 3 times because I'm a female and a minority, for NO other reason and as a strong woman, I will depend on nobody but myself to protect myself at all times and the moment of being attacked by an offender or offenders. I don't wish anyone to be attacked, but if everyone of these gun control nuts were PERSONALLY attacked, they'd look at their own protection mechanisms in a whole new light. Or take the bible thumping perspective and just be a victim and let perps do whatever they want to them. I for one, WILL NOT! You try to attack or harm me or someone with me, be warned, YOU WILL BE SHOT with as many bullets as it takes to stop you and your threat. I'll let the cops sort it out after its all done.
 @MickRoh Finally, Someone with some common sense. Bravo to you.  It is too bad that so many other people in this country can't use their heads for anything other than holding their hair or getting high......Oh, and to complain about their rights and entitlements.....
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 @HarryJuku BS. A woman carrying a 16 round 9mm semi-auto like a Glock or Sig is NOT being armed like Rambo...god what a stereotype. It takes 16 rounds to stop a 300 lb, 6' 5" attacker on Crank...I know...cuz it happened to me! I agree that assault weapons should be banned, but a 9mil semi? really? what do you suggest I shoot an attacker with...an air or paint gun? Get frickin real!!
 @HarryJuku He used 2 handguns. You want to ban handguns? Pfft.
 @Harvey 1701 Yes, the weapons were purchased legally.  And then they were stolen.  The AR-15 apparently was not used.  It remained in the shooter's car, which was also stolen.  The shooter, like most of these shooters, had mental issues.  Most of them have mental issues severe enough that they have people in their families who try to get them help.  No help is forthcoming because we voted to dismantle our state run mental health systems 30 years ago, in the name of "cutting wasteful government programs" and ending the "oppression" of mental patients.  I think you'll find that these gruesome crimes really began sometime after we shut down the programs that were designed to deal with mental health emergencies.  I was a mental health worker in the 1960's.  People who were a danger to themselves and others could be locked up for observation for several weeks.  Now, when a distraught family member looks for help with a dangerous person they are told to go to the emergency room, where the patient is routinely referred to an outpatient clinic at their own expense.  It's OUR fault!  We approved of turning these dangerous people out onto the streets, to return home and manage their own medications, to be a danger to their families, their communities, and themselves.  Is it worth the tax savings to live in a shooting gallery?  Are you willing to abrogate the civil rights of the mentally ill just a little bit before you abrogate the rights of everyone else in America?
 @Zeke  @Harvey 1701 RIGHT ON!!!
 @Zeke  @Harvey 1701 You are right on the money. I believe if you have a family member or friend with these types of mental disabilities then you should not be allowed to have any types of guns in your home. I also think we need to ensure that all school are safe and not just anyone can walk through the front doors. We did this to our selves so let step up and fix it.
@Zeke @Harvey 1701 Zeke, you have a very solid point. I have been involved in many groups for depression and anxiety. I have seen some in there that are down right dangerous but nothing could legally be done until they violate a law involving violence. I will honor the trust of the group and not go into details. I do know that some of the scariest ones carry some sort of weapon on them constantly and some of these are quite ingenious in their homemade design. And there are combat veterans in the groups, too. I've learned the longest the VA will hold any mental patient is 10 days. Private clinics base their holds on the money resources of the patient. I have been stalked by a member of one group because I asked him to be quite and let me finish my sentence. He vandalized my truck and told me so but since it was my word against his the police could not arrest him for it. Fortunately the guy was carrying a large baggie of meth, (this will be the only time I will be glad of someone having a baggie of meth) and during the routine permissive pat down the officer found it! Once more, this is clean up after the fact, though..... It's now against both social morals and laws to do preventitive actions on the mentally ill. If you point out a person's obvious problems, you get arrested for a hate crime and then sued if you are not a member of their immediate family. Even judges have been censured for comments made during trials in their courtrooms. But it seems as if no one is willing to actually be the one to do something about this. This talk here is cheap. It will not bring about any resolutions or solutions, just gives us some venting in a public forum with complete anonymity. And the tempers flare like they were writing the laws. This is good, we need a place to vent our anger and frustration at what is going on and in our cars while driving to and from work isn't a safe place to vent.....
Today in China, a man attacks a school with a knife and wounds 22 people. In the US, a man attacks a school with a gun and kills 26. Guns are part of the problem - it can no longer be denied.
 @Max Quinn No.... letting mentally ill people walk the streets are the problem.
 @Razor1 No.... letting mentality ill people have easy access to firearms and ammo is the problem.
 @Max Quinn  @starshadow  @Razor1 They have existed long before that, like since humans walked the planet, 100,000 years ago.
There are laws for this already.Â
 @starshadow  @Razor1 No. They've existed since Jesus walked the Earth. But they haven't had such easy access to firearms until these days.
 @Max Quinn  @Razor1 Creating people that are mentally ill in the first place is the problem.