Sentenced to life in prison at 16, woman hopes for freedom

YPSILANTI, Mich. (AP) - More than 21 years after she went to prison, Barbara Hernandez enters the cinderblock visitation chamber at the Women's Huron Valley Correctional Facility in the turquoise blouse she keeps for special occasions. Her makeup is carefully applied but can't hide age lines spreading, thin but unmistakable, from the corners of her eyes.
"Thank you for coming," the 38-year-old inmate says softly. Her eyes, chestnut and brooding, are offset by a gentle smile. She holds out a hand in welcome.
And in that moment it is up to the visitor to begin weighing the choice the gesture offers: Is this the hand of a criminal who lured a man she'd never met to a brutal death and must be locked away forever? Or does it belong to a long-ago girl, who left home in rural Michigan at 14 only to end up in an abandoned house with a boyfriend who pimped her, and who now deserves a second chance?
There are more than 2,000 people like Hernandez in this country, sentenced to live and die in prison for murders committed as teens. But last June the Supreme Court delivered a long-awaited decision, wrestling with whether teens convicted of such brutal crimes should be punished just like adults or if their youth should matter.
"Imposition of a State's most severe penalties on juvenile offenders cannot proceed as though they were not children," Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the court's majority.
Despite the justices' strong words, they declined to settle many questions, leaving it to Michigan and 27 other states to decide whether, and how, this new standard of fairness is supposed to confront the stern justice of the past.
That won't be easy. At Hernandez's trial, the prosecutor urged jurors to focus solely on her role in killing James Cotaling, a 28-year-old mechanic who, on a Saturday night in 1990, told his fiancée he was going out to buy a Mother's Day card, but never came home.
"This would be the type of case where it would be easy to feel sorry for Barbara Hernandez, but you all promised me at jury selection that sympathy would play no role in your deliberations," said the prosecutor, Donna Pendergast.
"You can't look at who this defendant is. You have to look at what she did."
More than two decades later, the Supreme Court says that is not enough. But to comply could well take more than a change in legal process. It could force the system to revisit the distant past and appraise its meaning, to again confront the details of terrible crimes and to take measure of childhoods left behind long, long ago.
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In 1987, when Barbara Hernandez turned 13, her mother moved the family from New Mexico to Capac, Mich., set in farmland on the state's eastern shoulder.
The move put fresh distance between the family and Theodore Hernandez, arrested in 1984 for molesting the oldest of his three daughters and their aunt. Records show he served three years in prison for criminal sexual penetration.
But another relative, who has never been charged, began molesting the two younger Hernandez girls, abuse recounted by all three sisters and noted by a state social worker who evaluated Hernandez before sentencing. The women say their mother knew what both men did, but denied the abuse or blamed it on her daughters.
"She said it was my fault," Elizabeth Evans, the oldest, said. "I started my period when I was 10 years old and my mom beat me for that reason, stating that it was because I let my dad do things to me. I got hit with the wire part of fly swatters, with extension cords."
Hernandez's mother drank heavily, often leaving the children to care for themselves. The youngest, Andrea Waple, recalls being told in kindergarten to let herself in to the empty house. Hernandez skipped school to pick her up, stirring their mother's anger.
"Barbara always tried to take care of me even though she didn't know how," Waple said. "Because my mom was mad, she'd come home from work and hit us with a belt. It got to the point where we're pretending to be crying to make her stop."
Hernandez enrolled in eighth grade at Capac Junior-Senior High School where junior Jim Hyde - four years older and repeating a year - passed her notes in the hall.
But Hyde was trouble, his stepsister, Deborah Erdman, said. She recalls a boy who blew up frogs and, later, a teen with a drug habit. Erdman said her mother worried about Hyde's domineering relationship with his new girlfriend.
"If he had told her to walk out in the middle of the road and stand in front of a speeding semi, she'd have done it," Erdman said. When her mother described the pair, "she says, 'Debbie, that girl is just like his slave."
Hyde, also serving life without parole for Cotaling's murder, did not respond to requests for comment.
In 1988, Hyde went to live with his mother in Pontiac, a down-and-out factory town outside Detroit, and asked Hernandez, 14, to join him.
"I thought, 'This is my way of getting out,'" Hernandez said.
Hernandez followed, but soon gave in to her mother's instructions and moved in with her older sister. She stayed most of a year until she says Hyde climbed to the apartment balcony, threatening to hurt her sister's children unless she came with him.
Hyde's mother's house sat on a block notorious for drug dealing. Hernandez says that to feed a cocaine habit, Hyde urged her to pose as a prostitute, demand men give her money before sex, then run. Soon he told her to put aside pretending, a routine confirmed by Hyde's sister at trial.
Hyde's mother kicked them out when Hyde stole her welfare check. But Hyde knew a place to go - an abandoned house a block over where they slept on the floor. By then, Hernandez says, Hyde was beating her if she did not follow instructions.
The night before the murder, Hyde's sister testified, he talked of leaving town by having Hernandez steal a car from one of the men who picked her up. When that didn't work, Hyde instructed Hernandez to buy him a knife, then lure a man to the house so he could rob and kill him.
Hernandez, two months past her 16th birthday, says she did as she was told.
"All these years later it's like watching somebody else, but the horror of realizing that was me," she says. "There's just so many things I could've done and mostly I'm asking myself, 'Why didn't you run? Why didn't you go to the police? Why did you just blindly go to the store? Why did you bring Mr. Cotaling into the house? Everything is whys and question marks."
___
By nightfall on Mother's Day 1990, the Cotaling house had turned into a family command center. Across the state line, police had arrested Hyde and Hernandez, found with the car Jimmy Cotaling had been driving. Running off was not like Cotaling, quiet, with hooded blue eyes, devoted to skiing and fixing cars.
Police searched three days before finding his shoeless body in an abandoned house. He'd been stabbed 25 times, his head nearly severed. Searchers found his body using a map drawn by Hernandez, who asked for a lawyer, then talked without one on her mother's advice.
What happened that night became clearer at trial. As Cotaling left home, receipts showed Hernandez bought a knife. When she returned, Hyde dispatched her to find a customer for sex. Hernandez testified she saw a man in a silver Pontiac watching her. He pulled over and followed her to the house on Howard Street.
Hernandez maintains that after entering the house, Cotaling began touching her. She knew Hyde lay in wait and when Cotaling began undoing his pants in the dark, she became scared and told him she needed to use the bathroom. Hyde attacked Cotaling from behind. The medical examiner testified that the first three wounds inflicted were to Cotaling's lower back and two - piercing his left lung and heart - were fatal.
But the prosecutor argued Hyde was too small to overcome Cotaling alone, pointing to two strands of Hernandez's hair in Cotaling's bloody hand.
Reexamination, though, raises questions. While Cotaling stood just over 6 feet, photos show he was stringy compared to a then-muscular 5-foot-8 Hyde. More importantly, the prosecutor and defense lawyer neglected to mention Hyde was trained to fight -- he was a highly ranked high school wrestler, placing sixth in the state finals.
Joe Remenap, who was Capac's principal and officiated high school matches, said Hyde's talent lay in a hard-nosed detachment.
"When you looked him in the eyes you could see right to the back of his head, there wasn't anything in there," he said. "You almost have to be that way to be a wrestler sometimes."
A point made at trial, and emphasized by a state attorney at a 2010 commutation hearing, is that Hernandez admitted joining the attack. That argument hinges on testimony by Ralph Monday, a police detective present when Hernandez was questioned after arrest.
"She said Hyde did all the stabbing. She might have helped hold him," Monday testified.
But interviewed recently, Monday says Hernandez never made such an admission.
"My memory right now is that she had no role in even touching the guy," said Monday, 69, now a Findlay, Ohio councilman. "Why I testified to that, who knows?" he said.
___
Two decades later, the Supreme Court says juvenile defendants' lives must be weighed at sentencing. But that has hardly settled debate.
Lawyers for prisoners seek resentencing to consider factors set out by the court, including lack of maturity at the time of the crime, family background and the teen's role in the killing. States have taken widely varying paths to resolution.
California Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill allowing judges to reduce sentences to 25 years to life if an inmate shows remorse and is working toward rehabilitation. Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad commuted all juvenile life sentences to 60 years, a decision criticized for flouting the Supreme Court's directive.
In Michigan, the issue is being hashed out on three fronts.
In the legislature, state Rep. Joe Haveman introduced bills late last year allowing for possible parole of juvenile lifers after 15 or 20 years, depending on age at the time of the crime. But Michigan's parole board has a reputation for releasing very few lifers and Haveman said he's not sure how to address that. He chose not to pursue passage and is meeting with a group, including prosecutors and defenders, to propose new bills this year.
A federal judge ruled in January that Michigan laws mandating life sentences for teens convicted of first-degree murder are unconstitutional. But state Attorney General Bill Schuette contends the ruling applies only to five inmates who brought the case.
The issue also has landed in state court.
When a bailiff calls the Michigan Court of Appeals to order on a mid-October morning, so many people rise that Presiding Judge Michael J. Talbot's eyebrows dart up in surprise. Technically, the only case is that of Raymond Curtis Carp, contesting a life sentence for the 2006 killing of a St. Clair County woman when he was 15.
But the courtroom is full because all acknowledge Carp is a proxy for more than 360 Michigan inmates sentenced to life as teens. After nearly four hours of arguments, the judges sound stumped.
"I can't ignore the fact that there's a crisis pending that requires action," Talbot, the judge, says. "What are we going to tell them (inmates), that we'll see you in a year or two and maybe something will happen?"
A month later, Talbot's panel rejected Carp's request; the state Supreme Court is expected to weigh an appeal.
"Whether it be the state court or the federal court or the legislature ... the clear injustice of someone being held under a cruel and unusual sentence won't continue in the state," said Deborah LaBelle, an Ann Arbor attorney challenging Michigan's juvenile sentencing laws. "I think it's too bad we're not there. But I'm still hopeful."
___
Eight Novembers ago, Jody Robinson picked up a newspaper topped by a headline, "Children facing life." She studied a photo inside of Barbara Hernandez - jailed at 16 for killing her brother.
The prospect of releasing Hernandez infuriated Robinson, who launched an intensely personal campaign, testifying at a legislative hearing that reducing sentences of teen killers risked re-traumatizing victims' families.
When Hernandez was denied commutation in 2010, "my little guy said 'Mom, why are you crying?'" Robinson says. "I said, 'They're tears of happiness, honey. The bad person' - that's what we call her - 'is going to stay in jail.'"
Robinson's certainty about Hernandez is bolstered by testimony that Hernandez might have admitted holding Cotaling down. She points out Hernandez has been written up 17 times for misconduct in prison, but does not mention the worst violation was for punching another inmate, or that the last violation was in 2007.
"If you ask some of my brothers and sisters they'll probably tell you I'm obsessed," Robinson says.
She is not alone in her insistence of Hernandez's guilt. The prosecutor, Pendergast, emphasizes that Cotaling had strands of Hernandez's forcibly removed hair in his hand.
"Contrary to her assertion that she's cowering around the corner under some sort of influence of her boyfriend, quite the contrary. She's right in the mix and the evidence shows that," says Pendergast, now a Michigan assistant attorney general.
It's not clear what courts will do if asked to re-examine cases like Hernandez's. Her mother died more than a decade ago. Hyde's mother is dead, too. So are Hyde's sister, father, stepmother, and the judge who tried the case.
But when a prison administrator chose lifers to mentor inmates in a drug treatment program, Hernandez stood out as the one who would not make excuses for her crime.
"It struck me at the time that she, in no way, was putting blame on anybody else," says Anne Benion, the prison's clinical manager until last year. Benion said Hernandez had given back to the program as much as she's gained.
"She's sort of like the gentle giant. She has this unbelievable calming effect on women, but it's very subtle," Benion says.
Rebecca Gaffney, a retired college employee who has volunteered to meet with Hernandez since 2007, said the inmate reminds her of her daughter.
"I think she is growing in knowledge and a little bit in - you can't say self-esteem - but in forgiving herself a little bit and in trying to figure out a purpose for her life," Gaffney said. "She needs a second chance. She needs it, but she deserves it."
Hernandez, reluctant to make that case, asks that people decide for themselves.
Every afternoon, she goes for a solo run, providing time to think. She mulls her long-ago relationship with Hyde and how she repeatedly ceded responsibility for her own choices, seeing a pattern she continued long after Cotaling's murder.
She runs for more than an hour, repeatedly circling a recreation yard in the prison where a judge decided she should spend the rest of her life. Then, alone with her thoughts, she walks back to her cell.
"Thank you for coming," the 38-year-old inmate says softly. Her eyes, chestnut and brooding, are offset by a gentle smile. She holds out a hand in welcome.
And in that moment it is up to the visitor to begin weighing the choice the gesture offers: Is this the hand of a criminal who lured a man she'd never met to a brutal death and must be locked away forever? Or does it belong to a long-ago girl, who left home in rural Michigan at 14 only to end up in an abandoned house with a boyfriend who pimped her, and who now deserves a second chance?
There are more than 2,000 people like Hernandez in this country, sentenced to live and die in prison for murders committed as teens. But last June the Supreme Court delivered a long-awaited decision, wrestling with whether teens convicted of such brutal crimes should be punished just like adults or if their youth should matter.
"Imposition of a State's most severe penalties on juvenile offenders cannot proceed as though they were not children," Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the court's majority.
Despite the justices' strong words, they declined to settle many questions, leaving it to Michigan and 27 other states to decide whether, and how, this new standard of fairness is supposed to confront the stern justice of the past.
That won't be easy. At Hernandez's trial, the prosecutor urged jurors to focus solely on her role in killing James Cotaling, a 28-year-old mechanic who, on a Saturday night in 1990, told his fiancée he was going out to buy a Mother's Day card, but never came home.
"This would be the type of case where it would be easy to feel sorry for Barbara Hernandez, but you all promised me at jury selection that sympathy would play no role in your deliberations," said the prosecutor, Donna Pendergast.
"You can't look at who this defendant is. You have to look at what she did."
More than two decades later, the Supreme Court says that is not enough. But to comply could well take more than a change in legal process. It could force the system to revisit the distant past and appraise its meaning, to again confront the details of terrible crimes and to take measure of childhoods left behind long, long ago.
___
In 1987, when Barbara Hernandez turned 13, her mother moved the family from New Mexico to Capac, Mich., set in farmland on the state's eastern shoulder.
The move put fresh distance between the family and Theodore Hernandez, arrested in 1984 for molesting the oldest of his three daughters and their aunt. Records show he served three years in prison for criminal sexual penetration.
But another relative, who has never been charged, began molesting the two younger Hernandez girls, abuse recounted by all three sisters and noted by a state social worker who evaluated Hernandez before sentencing. The women say their mother knew what both men did, but denied the abuse or blamed it on her daughters.
"She said it was my fault," Elizabeth Evans, the oldest, said. "I started my period when I was 10 years old and my mom beat me for that reason, stating that it was because I let my dad do things to me. I got hit with the wire part of fly swatters, with extension cords."
Hernandez's mother drank heavily, often leaving the children to care for themselves. The youngest, Andrea Waple, recalls being told in kindergarten to let herself in to the empty house. Hernandez skipped school to pick her up, stirring their mother's anger.
"Barbara always tried to take care of me even though she didn't know how," Waple said. "Because my mom was mad, she'd come home from work and hit us with a belt. It got to the point where we're pretending to be crying to make her stop."
Hernandez enrolled in eighth grade at Capac Junior-Senior High School where junior Jim Hyde - four years older and repeating a year - passed her notes in the hall.
But Hyde was trouble, his stepsister, Deborah Erdman, said. She recalls a boy who blew up frogs and, later, a teen with a drug habit. Erdman said her mother worried about Hyde's domineering relationship with his new girlfriend.
"If he had told her to walk out in the middle of the road and stand in front of a speeding semi, she'd have done it," Erdman said. When her mother described the pair, "she says, 'Debbie, that girl is just like his slave."
Hyde, also serving life without parole for Cotaling's murder, did not respond to requests for comment.
In 1988, Hyde went to live with his mother in Pontiac, a down-and-out factory town outside Detroit, and asked Hernandez, 14, to join him.
"I thought, 'This is my way of getting out,'" Hernandez said.
Hernandez followed, but soon gave in to her mother's instructions and moved in with her older sister. She stayed most of a year until she says Hyde climbed to the apartment balcony, threatening to hurt her sister's children unless she came with him.
Hyde's mother's house sat on a block notorious for drug dealing. Hernandez says that to feed a cocaine habit, Hyde urged her to pose as a prostitute, demand men give her money before sex, then run. Soon he told her to put aside pretending, a routine confirmed by Hyde's sister at trial.
Hyde's mother kicked them out when Hyde stole her welfare check. But Hyde knew a place to go - an abandoned house a block over where they slept on the floor. By then, Hernandez says, Hyde was beating her if she did not follow instructions.
The night before the murder, Hyde's sister testified, he talked of leaving town by having Hernandez steal a car from one of the men who picked her up. When that didn't work, Hyde instructed Hernandez to buy him a knife, then lure a man to the house so he could rob and kill him.
Hernandez, two months past her 16th birthday, says she did as she was told.
"All these years later it's like watching somebody else, but the horror of realizing that was me," she says. "There's just so many things I could've done and mostly I'm asking myself, 'Why didn't you run? Why didn't you go to the police? Why did you just blindly go to the store? Why did you bring Mr. Cotaling into the house? Everything is whys and question marks."
___
By nightfall on Mother's Day 1990, the Cotaling house had turned into a family command center. Across the state line, police had arrested Hyde and Hernandez, found with the car Jimmy Cotaling had been driving. Running off was not like Cotaling, quiet, with hooded blue eyes, devoted to skiing and fixing cars.
Police searched three days before finding his shoeless body in an abandoned house. He'd been stabbed 25 times, his head nearly severed. Searchers found his body using a map drawn by Hernandez, who asked for a lawyer, then talked without one on her mother's advice.
What happened that night became clearer at trial. As Cotaling left home, receipts showed Hernandez bought a knife. When she returned, Hyde dispatched her to find a customer for sex. Hernandez testified she saw a man in a silver Pontiac watching her. He pulled over and followed her to the house on Howard Street.
Hernandez maintains that after entering the house, Cotaling began touching her. She knew Hyde lay in wait and when Cotaling began undoing his pants in the dark, she became scared and told him she needed to use the bathroom. Hyde attacked Cotaling from behind. The medical examiner testified that the first three wounds inflicted were to Cotaling's lower back and two - piercing his left lung and heart - were fatal.
But the prosecutor argued Hyde was too small to overcome Cotaling alone, pointing to two strands of Hernandez's hair in Cotaling's bloody hand.
Reexamination, though, raises questions. While Cotaling stood just over 6 feet, photos show he was stringy compared to a then-muscular 5-foot-8 Hyde. More importantly, the prosecutor and defense lawyer neglected to mention Hyde was trained to fight -- he was a highly ranked high school wrestler, placing sixth in the state finals.
Joe Remenap, who was Capac's principal and officiated high school matches, said Hyde's talent lay in a hard-nosed detachment.
"When you looked him in the eyes you could see right to the back of his head, there wasn't anything in there," he said. "You almost have to be that way to be a wrestler sometimes."
A point made at trial, and emphasized by a state attorney at a 2010 commutation hearing, is that Hernandez admitted joining the attack. That argument hinges on testimony by Ralph Monday, a police detective present when Hernandez was questioned after arrest.
"She said Hyde did all the stabbing. She might have helped hold him," Monday testified.
But interviewed recently, Monday says Hernandez never made such an admission.
"My memory right now is that she had no role in even touching the guy," said Monday, 69, now a Findlay, Ohio councilman. "Why I testified to that, who knows?" he said.
___
Two decades later, the Supreme Court says juvenile defendants' lives must be weighed at sentencing. But that has hardly settled debate.
Lawyers for prisoners seek resentencing to consider factors set out by the court, including lack of maturity at the time of the crime, family background and the teen's role in the killing. States have taken widely varying paths to resolution.
California Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill allowing judges to reduce sentences to 25 years to life if an inmate shows remorse and is working toward rehabilitation. Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad commuted all juvenile life sentences to 60 years, a decision criticized for flouting the Supreme Court's directive.
In Michigan, the issue is being hashed out on three fronts.
In the legislature, state Rep. Joe Haveman introduced bills late last year allowing for possible parole of juvenile lifers after 15 or 20 years, depending on age at the time of the crime. But Michigan's parole board has a reputation for releasing very few lifers and Haveman said he's not sure how to address that. He chose not to pursue passage and is meeting with a group, including prosecutors and defenders, to propose new bills this year.
A federal judge ruled in January that Michigan laws mandating life sentences for teens convicted of first-degree murder are unconstitutional. But state Attorney General Bill Schuette contends the ruling applies only to five inmates who brought the case.
The issue also has landed in state court.
When a bailiff calls the Michigan Court of Appeals to order on a mid-October morning, so many people rise that Presiding Judge Michael J. Talbot's eyebrows dart up in surprise. Technically, the only case is that of Raymond Curtis Carp, contesting a life sentence for the 2006 killing of a St. Clair County woman when he was 15.
But the courtroom is full because all acknowledge Carp is a proxy for more than 360 Michigan inmates sentenced to life as teens. After nearly four hours of arguments, the judges sound stumped.
"I can't ignore the fact that there's a crisis pending that requires action," Talbot, the judge, says. "What are we going to tell them (inmates), that we'll see you in a year or two and maybe something will happen?"
A month later, Talbot's panel rejected Carp's request; the state Supreme Court is expected to weigh an appeal.
"Whether it be the state court or the federal court or the legislature ... the clear injustice of someone being held under a cruel and unusual sentence won't continue in the state," said Deborah LaBelle, an Ann Arbor attorney challenging Michigan's juvenile sentencing laws. "I think it's too bad we're not there. But I'm still hopeful."
___
Eight Novembers ago, Jody Robinson picked up a newspaper topped by a headline, "Children facing life." She studied a photo inside of Barbara Hernandez - jailed at 16 for killing her brother.
The prospect of releasing Hernandez infuriated Robinson, who launched an intensely personal campaign, testifying at a legislative hearing that reducing sentences of teen killers risked re-traumatizing victims' families.
When Hernandez was denied commutation in 2010, "my little guy said 'Mom, why are you crying?'" Robinson says. "I said, 'They're tears of happiness, honey. The bad person' - that's what we call her - 'is going to stay in jail.'"
Robinson's certainty about Hernandez is bolstered by testimony that Hernandez might have admitted holding Cotaling down. She points out Hernandez has been written up 17 times for misconduct in prison, but does not mention the worst violation was for punching another inmate, or that the last violation was in 2007.
"If you ask some of my brothers and sisters they'll probably tell you I'm obsessed," Robinson says.
She is not alone in her insistence of Hernandez's guilt. The prosecutor, Pendergast, emphasizes that Cotaling had strands of Hernandez's forcibly removed hair in his hand.
"Contrary to her assertion that she's cowering around the corner under some sort of influence of her boyfriend, quite the contrary. She's right in the mix and the evidence shows that," says Pendergast, now a Michigan assistant attorney general.
It's not clear what courts will do if asked to re-examine cases like Hernandez's. Her mother died more than a decade ago. Hyde's mother is dead, too. So are Hyde's sister, father, stepmother, and the judge who tried the case.
But when a prison administrator chose lifers to mentor inmates in a drug treatment program, Hernandez stood out as the one who would not make excuses for her crime.
"It struck me at the time that she, in no way, was putting blame on anybody else," says Anne Benion, the prison's clinical manager until last year. Benion said Hernandez had given back to the program as much as she's gained.
"She's sort of like the gentle giant. She has this unbelievable calming effect on women, but it's very subtle," Benion says.
Rebecca Gaffney, a retired college employee who has volunteered to meet with Hernandez since 2007, said the inmate reminds her of her daughter.
"I think she is growing in knowledge and a little bit in - you can't say self-esteem - but in forgiving herself a little bit and in trying to figure out a purpose for her life," Gaffney said. "She needs a second chance. She needs it, but she deserves it."
Hernandez, reluctant to make that case, asks that people decide for themselves.
Every afternoon, she goes for a solo run, providing time to think. She mulls her long-ago relationship with Hyde and how she repeatedly ceded responsibility for her own choices, seeing a pattern she continued long after Cotaling's murder.
She runs for more than an hour, repeatedly circling a recreation yard in the prison where a judge decided she should spend the rest of her life. Then, alone with her thoughts, she walks back to her cell.
I refuse to believe we don't have a choice. Sometimes a choice is the ONLY thing we have. Cry me a river.
Stay locked up! The person she murdered is doing life in the ground and their family cant bring them back! RIP
If that was your child,daughter or sister would you feel the same way? I think not, we were not on that trial, however we all have known " Children" who were as they say " A Bad Seed" but in time they grew into adults that worked, married and started a family and became an upstanding person. She too could reach that potential. If we give her a . She may have been a victim as well, be she has served enough time. Jim Hyde however I feel was the real perpetrator of this terrible killing he should serve the max. Without him it would not have happened
Good thing life is so black and white. Â I'm sure being molested by your father and then another relative while being continually beat and verbally abused by your mother would have no detrimental effect on you at all. Â Going by the comments my hypothesis that the average american citizen is in fact a complete moron with no critical thinking skills is looking strong!
@t c Keep her locked up and break the cycle of abuse
Well stated !!!!
@t c Afrigginmen!
What ever happened to You do the Crime, You do the TIME????? Â
Sorry, but I have no sympathy for the murderer. She should remain in jail for the rest of her life or receive the death penalty, but no other options should be discussed.
As I said earlier, we need to put ourselves in her situation ( @ the age of 16 ) and see if yo can honestly say you would not do what she did at that age. Please think to a time you did something that some would concider wrong and you never fessed up to what you did to this day. Tell us why you did what you did, then say why you never told anyone. Now put yourself in this girls shoes. She was a 16 year old little girl.
She was in a hurry to grow up and be treated like an adult... well, she got her wish. Now she can live with the consequences.
At least in prison she isn't breeding a new generation of criminals.
One of the "5" is making another appeal..... Conrad should never be freed.
http://www.ojd.state.or.us/records/sccalendar.nsf/0/b8babe4e444e60c488257afe007e74a6?OpenDocument
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-plans-to-fight-the-early-release-of-girls-killer-142595146.html
You can read the Supreme Court opinion here:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-9646.pdf
For the sake of argument I would like to ask: Are you murdering someone if you have no malice at all toward the person you kill, and especially if you are motivated to do it because you are in fear (i.e. because you are being coerced) ?
I do not mean necessarily to justify, I only want to suggest an alternative. Might it be better to create a new option for a sentence for someone who, with foreknowledge, helped kill someone, yet did not do it out of anger but some mix of fear or coercion. Should they be punished equally since the result is the same?
While I have great empathy for her troubled past, it did lead her to where she is and punishments for such crimes should be swift and hard. That is what discourages other 16 year olds with similar pasts from those same choices. Don't change that now. Â She has spent a long time in prison and I can't see that she would acclimate well to life outside of prison, if they did let her out. ~ Plus, she is making the best of her situation and it sounds like she is being a contributing member of the prison society. Good for her, but leave her there.Â
I understand, but "walk a mile in my shoes, then judge me " just one opinion.
Don't let the door hit you on your way in!
She's just lucky she didn't get a bullet in the head, little monsters like her shouldn't be given a chance to inflict more pain and damage on society.
I am pro death penalty, but is not one of the reasons for prisons that gets lost, is to try and rehabilitate men and women to be a person who can be a contributing member of sociaty? Some one said earlier that her has become a contributing member of prison sociaty. Why could she not be permitted the chance outside those bars after the years paid? Again, I am very pro death penalty.
She was plenty old enough to know better. No sympathy for a murderer.
At 16, I knew right from wrong. Honestly, I am tired of hearing "they had no choice" You always have a choice. By choosing not to make one, you've already made your choice.
It's not just the choice, seeing friends of mine a kid I saw some go down a bad road, some ended up OK, but a couple didn't. One ended up in jail for attempted murder and received 65 years. He was 16. Another also said he didn't have any choice, he blew his head off with a shot gun. He didn't hurt anyone physically, but he sure left a long list of pain never the less. But your right EVERY 16 year old should know right from wrong.Â
Whether or not she stabbed the guy, in my opinion, helping someone kill is the same as doing the killing. I don't believe in rehabilitation for certain crimes, including this one. I believe in punishment. The only shame is that these people aren't in physical labor oriented prisons where society might benefit from them in a small way.
Weak Minds are easily led to do very Stupid things.
You mean, like posting on this forum;-)
@swede760Â Â That's why political parties work so well, too.
Sounds like she had Stockholm syndrome in a way. It's just a sad life tragedy.
All this before craigslist
I watched "women behind bars" and a lot of excuses seem like I was just walking by"
So many women are mislead about life and how they should expect to behave and be treated. Just look at advertisements and how they portray women, as though their seductive looks and behavior is suppose to empower them and get them somewhere. I wish all girls would get educated early about how disappointing the leadership of men is, quite frankly. But for some reason those young girls see older women gushing all about the man or men in their lives. It would be refres!" hing to see a reality TV program about how the sexes see each other and full discloser about just what they expect from each other. Entitle it Sex on Fire and show a group of men or women evaluating someone of the opposite sex and their behavior. A story unfolds telling of differences of opinion and eye opening truths that would help youth to develop themselves sexually.
As for this woman, Oregon only sends men to jail for 15 years max for killing a woman. Go figure. I believe she has paid the price of her bad deeds.
@Sojourner Ruth Taliban would disagree
@Sojourner Ruth Women are supposed to be smarter
Not sure how I feel about this. Â I'd really have to contemplate whether or not keeping this woman in jail really accomplishes anything. Â Lots of folks on here saying things that amount to "eye for an eye." Â That doesn't work in criminal justice, and it's certainly not OK to slap a slogan on so complex an issue. Â Maybe y'all should use your brains instead of your spleen. Â Our criminal justice system isn't designed for punishing people, it's designed for rehabilitating them. Â The questions surrounding this case don't turn on whether or not you feel she's been sufficiently punished, but on whether or not she's still a danger to our society. Â That's how civilized people administer justice. Â If you want to do it differently, move to places like Turkey. Â We don't do desert fairy tale justice in the United States.
@Diogenes But our system is not designed to rehabilitate, it is designed to punish. The concept of rehabilitation in the US prison system is a fairy tale. If a man, with no prior crimes, in a fit of rage kills his wife, why put him in jail at all? It's not like he'll kill his wife again, she's already dead. At worst all you need to do is to keep him from remarrying. Yet he gets put away for life.
The concept of our criminal justice system rehabilitating is a pacifier to satisfy those who may lose sleep over the concept that our jail system is an inheritance from a bygone era. It's archaic, and its role is to punish.
But our system is supposed to be a rehabilitation system, maybe if $ system would look at it lond term, it may cost less to rehabilitate some so he has a better chance not to re offend to get himself thrown back in. But now that isn't in the best interest of the money spenders. Maybe it sho;d ge. And no the man who killede his wife should be tried and if convicted, put to death, is dicussion in about a 16 year old, not a middle aged married man with a wife. We need to do apples to apples.
@JTesla@Diogenes
 "If a man, with no prior crimes, in a fit of rage kills his wife, why put him in jail at all? It's not like he'll kill his wife again, she's already dead. At worst all you need to do is to keep him from remarrying. Yet he gets put away for life"
 Holy crud Batman, I can't believe that you actually believe that. Are you saying that punishment should not be part of the justice system?
Usually a spontaneous, moment of passion murder does not get life in prison anyway.
@JTesla @Scotty9 Yes, as a society we tend to believe that bad actions result in bad consequences. If they didn't, people would learn that the reward outweighs the potential risk. Smoking, not wearing a seat belt, spoiling a child, robbing a bank etc.
Most folks who get sent to prison receive drug treatment, counseling and educational opportunities. The only punishment they are receiving is the fact that their freedom is taken away to not only protect the people, but also to ensure that they get treatment. that's not true in all systems, but Oregon's system has many opportunities for those who refuse play well with others.
@SilverGuardian @JTesla @Scotty9 Â
 I totally agree except that taking away someones freedom is punishment. Of course we shouldn't be water boarding shoplifters or shocking car thieves, but locking people up is a form a punishment it's just not a form of physical punishment.
@JTesla @Scotty9 I have spent a lot of time with young people over my lifetime, and I haven't noticed lengthy punishment being helpful in retraining anyone.  Ever.  It doesn't matter whether it's a child or a teenager, lessons in life that center on punishment are generally not the ones that make the most difference.  The only time I ever took a belt to my son, I cried while doing it.  But he had struck someone with a belt and he had to be shown what it felt like, both the sense of demeaning and the physical pain.  I wasn't a perfect parent, and am not a perfect great-grandparent.  But punishment for the sake of punishment is no better than lashing out in anger or hate.  My feeling is that criminals shouldn't be "punished".  They should be removed from society so they can't repeat a crime against innocents. Â
@Scotty9 No, I don't actually believe that. My point is that the system is designed to punish, and I don't mind seeing people punished. You are right regarding the sentancing of a crime of passion, but if the system were designed to rehabilitate then no time would need to be served. Which I would disagree with.
This family is so messed up I don't know where to start. She knew right from wrong. It's hard to feel sorry for her considering what she did.Â
Lots of inconsistency in sentencing across this great country.
@The Resistance Did she know right from wrong, though? With a rapist for a father. A drunken and abusive mother that enabled further molestation of her and her sisters. And even the victim himself a full grown man willing to have sex with a minor in an abandoned house. Where in her short life did she really learn ''right form wrong''? I'd like to think we're born with it. But even if we are, it can be corrupted by a childhood of abuse. She never reached adulthood prior to life in prison. Hard to say she wouldn't have chosen 'right' had that been on the table.
@The Resistance I happen to believe the ONLY consistent appropriate sentence for MURDER that is INTENTIONAL and for being a willing accomplice to intentional MURDER is life in jail.Â
I wonder really - why are we hearing her story. A life is a life - she traded hers in - when she chose to end forever the LIFE of another.Â
I keep asking myself, do we only put people in prison just as retribution for their crimes or do we also try for rehabilitation? A 16 yr old girl committed a crime, she does not deny it and the prison officials admit she has shown she's changed.Â
I also wonder if all we're interested in is revenge then why do we bother with prisons at all, why not just go back to the old Levitical laws of life for a life and execute anyone who in anyway has caused another to lose their life? (if you don't know what those laws were, or are only going by what someone says they were, then read them for yourself, its an eye opener) Primitive but it sure does the revenge thing up royal and there's no pretense of rehab. Or have we finally grown beyond that stone-age attitude? From some of the comments here I'd guess not.
what this girl did was terrible terrible terrible. i keep reading all these comments that say she knew right from wrong at the time this young man was murdered. but, did she really know right from wrong? to read about her life, it seems to me, that no one taught her right from wrong. it seems to me, that what she was taught by the way she was treated by pretty much everyone, was that wrong is right. i hope that made sense.
Decide for yourselves, folks - the other side of the story:
http://www.teenkillers.org/index.php/legislation/michigan-2/michigan-jlwop-cases/Â
"The FACTS, proven in court, and at first confessed to by Ms. Hernandez, are that she and the boyfriend held Jimmy down while she stabbed him with a small light filet knife. Jimmy was stabbed a brutal 26 times while he fought for his life. Ms. Hernandezâs hair was found clenched in Jimmyâs fist. These facts were proven in court. Worst of all, because the knife was so thin, Ms. Hernandez and her accomplice sliced away at his neck so many times that they almost decapitated him, but coroners could not even determine how many slices there were in his neck because it was so brutally mangled. Ms Hernandez was involved with the crime that lasted for several days and was fully aware of what she was doing. She deserves the life sentence she received."
@Umhal I've known so few teenagers who turned out to be as nasty as I expected.  My feeling is that this was a child.  A life sentence is simply wrong.
@SilverGuardian @Umhal I wonder, how many appeals has she had... Â
The story reads like they are proposing this killer for sainthood! Justice was done at the time by a jury considering the evidence presented to them. Revisionist justice is as bad as revisionist history! All the "what ifs" and "whys" will not change the fact that a victim was killed and the person that was held accountable was convicted and sentenced. Â
Yes, but was the punishment too severe for her crime? People a lot older than her get way lighter sentences for being an accomplice to murder. No one is trying to say she didn't participate or trying to "revise" anything (except perhaps the cop who now says that she didn't confess to holding the victim down). She admits what she did ... but is life in prison really an appropriate sentence? That's what's being debated, not the crime itself.
@badcat Of course it's appropriate. She brutally murdered someone. Eye for an eye! (close enough in this case). It's just unfortunate that our current justice system can't seem to see that proper punishment must be carried out. If it were, I believe the crime rate would go down. The slaps on the wrists that current day criminals get is doing NOTHING to deter crime.
@badcat Well said, badcat!
@wondering Frankly, prison does nothing to deter crime. Â
Actually, she didn't brutally murder him, she was an accomplice. But according to you, she should executed? I hate to tell you, but if you look up the stats on capital punishment and crime deterrence, the facts don't support your "beliefs". This girl's harsh punishment sure isn't doing anything to reduce the murder rate in Detroit, that's for sure.