Should voters have to prove citizenship to register?

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court will consider the validity of an Arizona law that tries to keep illegal immigrants from voting by demanding all state residents show documents proving their U.S. citizenship before registering to vote in national elections.
The high court will hear arguments Monday over the legality of Arizona's voter-approved requirement that prospective voters document their U.S. citizenship in order to use a registration form produced under the federal "Motor Voter" voter registration law that doesn't require such documentation.
This case focuses on voter registration in Arizona, which has tangled frequently with the federal government over immigration issues involving the Mexican border. But it has broader implications because four other states - Alabama, Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee - have similar requirements, and 12 other states are contemplating similar legislation, officials say.
The Obama administration is supporting challengers to the law.
If Arizona can add citizenship requirements, then "each state could impose all manner of its own supplemental requirements beyond the federal form," Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr. said in court papers. "Those requirements could encompass voluminous documentary or informational demands, and could extend to any eligibility criteria beyond citizenship, such as age, residency, mental competence, or felony history."
A federal appeals court threw out the part of Arizona's Proposition 200 that added extra citizenship requirements for voter registration, but only after lower federal judges had approved it.
Arizona wants the justices to reinstate its requirement.
Kathy McKee, who led the push to get the proposition on the ballot, said voter fraud, including by illegal immigrants, continues to be a problem in Arizona. "For people to conclude there is no problem is just shallow logic," McKee said.
The Associated Press reported in September that officials in pivotal presidential election states had found only a fraction of the illegal voters they initially suspected had existed.
In Colorado, election officials found 141 noncitizens on the voter rolls, which was 0.004 percent of the state's nearly 3.5 million voters. Florida officials found 207, or 0.001 percent of the state's 11.4 million registered voters. In North Carolina, 79 people admitted to election officials that they weren't citizens and were removed from the rolls, along with 331 others who didn't respond to repeated inquires.
Opponents of Arizona's law see it as an attack on vulnerable voter groups such as minorities, immigrants and the elderly. They say Arizona's law makes registering more difficult, which is an opposite result from the intention of the 1993 National Voter Registration Act.
Proposition 200 "was never intended to combat voter fraud," said Democratic state Sen. Steve Gallardo of Phoenix. "It was intended to keep minorities from voting."
With the additional state documentation requirements, Arizona will cripple the effectiveness of neighborhood and community voter registration drives, advocates say. More than 28 million Americans used the federal "Motor Voter" form to register to vote in the 2008 presidential elections, according to the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.
An Arizona victory at the high court would lead to more state voting restrictions, said Elisabeth MacNamara, the national president of the League of Women Voters.
Opponents of the Arizona provision say they've counted more than 31,000 potentially legal voters in Arizona who easily could have registered before Proposition 200 but who were blocked initially by the law in the 20 months after it passed in 2004. They say about 20 percent of those thwarted were Latino.
Arizona officials say they should be able to pass laws to stop illegal immigrants and other noncitizens from getting on their voting rolls. The Arizona voting law was part of a package that also denied some government benefits to illegal immigrants and required Arizonans to show identification before voting.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the voter identification provision. The denial of benefits was not challenged.
Opponents "argue that Arizona should not be permitted to request evidence of citizenship when someone registers to vote, but should instead rely on the person's sworn statement that he or she is a citizen," Arizona Attorney General Thomas C. Horne said in court papers.
"The fallacy in that is that someone who is willing to vote illegally will be willing to sign a false statement. What (opponents) are urging is that there should be nothing more than an honor system to assure that registered voters are citizens. That was not acceptable to the people of Arizona."
The Arizona proposition was enacted into law with 55 percent of the vote.
This is the second voting issue the high court is tackling this session. Last month, several justices voiced deep skepticism about whether a section of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, a law that has helped millions of minorities exercise their right to vote, especially in areas of the Deep South, was still needed.
This case involves laws of more recent vintage.
The federal "Motor Voter" law, enacted in 1993 to expand voter registration, allows would-be voters to fill out a mail-in voter registration card and swear they are citizens under penalty of perjury, but it doesn't require them to show proof.
Under Proposition 200 approved in 2004, Arizona officials require an Arizona driver's license issued after 1996, a U.S. birth certificate, a passport or other similar document, or the state will reject the federal registration application form.
This requirement applies only to people who seek to register using the federal mail-in form. Arizona has its own form and an online system to register when renewing a driver's license. The court ruling did not affect proof of citizenship requirements using the state forms.
State officials say more than 90 percent of those Arizonans applying to vote using the federal form will be able to simply write down their driver's license number, and all naturalized citizens simply will be able to write down their naturalization number without needed additional documents.
Former Arizona Senate President Russell Pearce, a leading Republican proponent of Proposition 200, strongly disputed claims that Arizona doesn't have voter fraud problems. "They turn a blind eye," Pearce said of the state's election officials.
But Karen Osborne, elections director for Maricopa County, where nearly 60 percent of Arizona's voters live, said voter fraud is rare, and even rarer among illegal immigrants.
"That just does not seem to be an issue," Osborne said of the claim that illegal immigrants are voting. "They did not want to come out of the shadows. They don't want to be involved with the government."
The main legal question facing the justices is whether the federal law trumps Arizona's law. A 10-member panel of the 9th Circuit in San Francisco said it did.
The appeals court issued multiple rulings in this case, with a three-judge panel initially siding with Arizona. A second panel that included retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who from time to time sits on appeals courts, reversed course and blocked the registration requirement. The full court then did the same, and that decision will be reviewed by the justices in Washington.
The case is 12-71, Arizona v. Inter Tribal Council of Arizona, Inc.
The high court will hear arguments Monday over the legality of Arizona's voter-approved requirement that prospective voters document their U.S. citizenship in order to use a registration form produced under the federal "Motor Voter" voter registration law that doesn't require such documentation.
This case focuses on voter registration in Arizona, which has tangled frequently with the federal government over immigration issues involving the Mexican border. But it has broader implications because four other states - Alabama, Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee - have similar requirements, and 12 other states are contemplating similar legislation, officials say.
The Obama administration is supporting challengers to the law.
If Arizona can add citizenship requirements, then "each state could impose all manner of its own supplemental requirements beyond the federal form," Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr. said in court papers. "Those requirements could encompass voluminous documentary or informational demands, and could extend to any eligibility criteria beyond citizenship, such as age, residency, mental competence, or felony history."
A federal appeals court threw out the part of Arizona's Proposition 200 that added extra citizenship requirements for voter registration, but only after lower federal judges had approved it.
Arizona wants the justices to reinstate its requirement.
Kathy McKee, who led the push to get the proposition on the ballot, said voter fraud, including by illegal immigrants, continues to be a problem in Arizona. "For people to conclude there is no problem is just shallow logic," McKee said.
The Associated Press reported in September that officials in pivotal presidential election states had found only a fraction of the illegal voters they initially suspected had existed.
In Colorado, election officials found 141 noncitizens on the voter rolls, which was 0.004 percent of the state's nearly 3.5 million voters. Florida officials found 207, or 0.001 percent of the state's 11.4 million registered voters. In North Carolina, 79 people admitted to election officials that they weren't citizens and were removed from the rolls, along with 331 others who didn't respond to repeated inquires.
Opponents of Arizona's law see it as an attack on vulnerable voter groups such as minorities, immigrants and the elderly. They say Arizona's law makes registering more difficult, which is an opposite result from the intention of the 1993 National Voter Registration Act.
Proposition 200 "was never intended to combat voter fraud," said Democratic state Sen. Steve Gallardo of Phoenix. "It was intended to keep minorities from voting."
With the additional state documentation requirements, Arizona will cripple the effectiveness of neighborhood and community voter registration drives, advocates say. More than 28 million Americans used the federal "Motor Voter" form to register to vote in the 2008 presidential elections, according to the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.
An Arizona victory at the high court would lead to more state voting restrictions, said Elisabeth MacNamara, the national president of the League of Women Voters.
Opponents of the Arizona provision say they've counted more than 31,000 potentially legal voters in Arizona who easily could have registered before Proposition 200 but who were blocked initially by the law in the 20 months after it passed in 2004. They say about 20 percent of those thwarted were Latino.
Arizona officials say they should be able to pass laws to stop illegal immigrants and other noncitizens from getting on their voting rolls. The Arizona voting law was part of a package that also denied some government benefits to illegal immigrants and required Arizonans to show identification before voting.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the voter identification provision. The denial of benefits was not challenged.
Opponents "argue that Arizona should not be permitted to request evidence of citizenship when someone registers to vote, but should instead rely on the person's sworn statement that he or she is a citizen," Arizona Attorney General Thomas C. Horne said in court papers.
"The fallacy in that is that someone who is willing to vote illegally will be willing to sign a false statement. What (opponents) are urging is that there should be nothing more than an honor system to assure that registered voters are citizens. That was not acceptable to the people of Arizona."
The Arizona proposition was enacted into law with 55 percent of the vote.
This is the second voting issue the high court is tackling this session. Last month, several justices voiced deep skepticism about whether a section of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, a law that has helped millions of minorities exercise their right to vote, especially in areas of the Deep South, was still needed.
This case involves laws of more recent vintage.
The federal "Motor Voter" law, enacted in 1993 to expand voter registration, allows would-be voters to fill out a mail-in voter registration card and swear they are citizens under penalty of perjury, but it doesn't require them to show proof.
Under Proposition 200 approved in 2004, Arizona officials require an Arizona driver's license issued after 1996, a U.S. birth certificate, a passport or other similar document, or the state will reject the federal registration application form.
This requirement applies only to people who seek to register using the federal mail-in form. Arizona has its own form and an online system to register when renewing a driver's license. The court ruling did not affect proof of citizenship requirements using the state forms.
State officials say more than 90 percent of those Arizonans applying to vote using the federal form will be able to simply write down their driver's license number, and all naturalized citizens simply will be able to write down their naturalization number without needed additional documents.
Former Arizona Senate President Russell Pearce, a leading Republican proponent of Proposition 200, strongly disputed claims that Arizona doesn't have voter fraud problems. "They turn a blind eye," Pearce said of the state's election officials.
But Karen Osborne, elections director for Maricopa County, where nearly 60 percent of Arizona's voters live, said voter fraud is rare, and even rarer among illegal immigrants.
"That just does not seem to be an issue," Osborne said of the claim that illegal immigrants are voting. "They did not want to come out of the shadows. They don't want to be involved with the government."
The main legal question facing the justices is whether the federal law trumps Arizona's law. A 10-member panel of the 9th Circuit in San Francisco said it did.
The appeals court issued multiple rulings in this case, with a three-judge panel initially siding with Arizona. A second panel that included retired Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who from time to time sits on appeals courts, reversed course and blocked the registration requirement. The full court then did the same, and that decision will be reviewed by the justices in Washington.
The case is 12-71, Arizona v. Inter Tribal Council of Arizona, Inc.
Simple answer. YES. You should be proud to be an American
Um, DUH seems like an appropriate answer to this stupid question......
News flash, Hillary Rodham Clinton comes out for no proof of citizenship to vote.
I had to send a copy of my birth certificate to refinance my house. What is wrong with proving your legal to vote, one of the most important things we can do. If you don't support this you must be wanting to do something wrong. I have to show my Id to cash a check, I'm proud to be an American and I don't object to proving it.
'Should voters have to prove citizenship to register?' Absolutely and without a doubt. If they would have done this back in November, the election would have turned out differently. Â
NOW NOW ALL OF YOU LISTEN UP HERE IS HOW WE FIX THIS ARE YOU LISTENING....... LETS MAKE MEXICO A STATE AND THEIR WILL NO LONGER BE ILLEGALS. it is sad when we let anybody vote now are so called president and mrs clinton are supporting gay marraiage and why do you ask for a vote and thats all that matters. Do you people really think who you love where you sleep and who you get freaky with that our president really cares. This nation has bigger fish to fry than dealing with two johns playing hide the hot dog and trying to make it legal. they just want your votes and if it takes an illegal vote to get and stay ing office then they take that too
allowing non citizens to vote could end in overthrowing the government and turning the u.s.a. into a different country. Anyone who  wants to vote can become a citizen of this country.
@32jim2Â too late it is here
YES!!!
It is the responsibility of our government to assure honest elections!Â
Unfortunately, we as Americans haven't seen honest elections for decades!
Only people who are interested in monkey business are against proving you are legally able to vote. Those people cater to the crimigrant crowd so they can keep getting elected. If you are legal to vote, prove it or lose it.
As important as voting is in this country why do people have a problem with verifying who is voting and how many times?
With all of the illegals here, we need to verify who is voting more than ever.  Â
I say biometric id combined with a birth certificate and valid SSN. I know thatthe knee jerk left wingers will say that the "poooooor people" can't afford id. Fine. Then provide funding to mandate that everyone gets the id at no charge IF they qualify. I will let my tax dollars pay for that. Then what will the lefties complaints be? When you reduce voter fraud they will cry bloody murder, predictably.
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@feral Of course, when shouting down at people and all else fails pull out that race card.
fer
Tell that to the next cop that stops you, when you try to enter the US Courthouse or buy a gun.
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Opponents "argue that Arizona should not be permitted to request evidence of citizenship when someone registers to vote, but should instead rely on the person's sworn statement that he or she is a citizen,"Â
I propose instead of tests in schools, just to have kids swear that they know the subject.
I swear - I payed more in taxes last year than I should, so I need a million dollars from IRS. I also swear that I never speed, so no reason to have traffic cops. I swear that I am of a legal age to buy drinks... oh, wait, unfortunately I am.
@Julie For the record, in Arizona a US Passport is not good enough by itself to register to vote. You must have other doumentation as well.
@WendyTeagarden @Julie   A passport won't provide an up to date address. Why is it wrong to prove that you live where you intend to vote?Â
@Julie The courts have decided thus far that Arizona doesn't get to impose their own standards and will have to comply with Federal regulations.
If someone could demonstrate that there is an actual occurrence of significant voting by illegal aliens, then they could make a case for changes at the Federal level.
Unless and until that happens, expect no change.
Your analogy is, well....stupid.
There is a huge difference between the examples you cite and an illegal alien going to the trouble to register to vote, and then doing so illegally.
To say otherwise indicates ignorance or dishonesty.
So, you are saying that if all of the voters who voted during the last election were examined, they would all be found to be US citizens?? The problem with that position is that no one has checked, thoroughly and any attempts to do so would be challenged or otherwise suppressed.
I would hope that the court will recognize the citizenship is a requirement for elections involving federal office. How effective is the box that signifies that you swear that you are not commuting perjury? Do we thing that those who have already broken the law to be in the United States will care about that?
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Its a sad day in America that this is even a question.....
Of course it should be proven and  NO its not too much to expect any  citizen  to have proper ID.Â
@kramr Very sad. I remember the pride I had going to the polling place and voting for the first time. Going down the ledger to find my name as a registered voter. Days of old. Wait til online voting. I wonder if the CWA still gives 4 hours of pay to go to the polls with mail in ballots.
@kramr I say they should have to... more so why are non Americans allowed to vote.???
Do we go to their country and vote to change their country??
@yesiam @kramr Ten years ago today we were arriving in another country and making some changes...
@kramr @Max Quinn I was talking about that other country we invaded.
@Max Quinn """"" Ten years ago today we were arriving in another country and making some changes.."""""""
In response (with strong bi-partisan support) to some changes made to our country......
@Playanekes @ Max Quinn Either that or your sarcasm detector is faulty...
@Max Quinn Which country?
@Max Quinn If you don't understand the difference between bombing the s--t out of a country and then rolling tanks into it to replace the government, versus voting, then you're beneath discussing the matter as adults.
Why not? It's not like this is 1813 any more.
YES! Prove citizenship; but only US citizenship gets you to vote in US elections!
Just show your federal government ID card.
What part of "YOUR PAPERS, NOW" isn't clear?
When did the USA become Nazi Germany or the USSR?
The USA has not become either of those as if we had, the problem would not exist. I don't think Nazi Germany or the USSR had a problem with illegal immigrants because the laws were actually enforced in those places.
@ShallowEnder
I have one of those. Â It's accepted in most of the world...
Otherwise known as a US passport. First issued in 1970.
So's my VISA card! ;-)
@Mikey
I have a few of those too.
Better than travelers checks. Â ;-)
@ShallowEnderThe USA is not now, nor has it ever been Nazi Germany, sir, and I'm sad that a former military officer would even say such a thing. Â
When politicians started appealing to foreign interests, illegal immigrants and people who don't pay taxes in order to secure power over America.
@Playanekes @ShallowEnder Sure seems like it. Can't travel without showing your papers. The US is at war with at least half the world. Not to mention Dear Leader continues to arm thugs & dictators.
@axpman @Playanekes @ShallowEnder We are at war with half the world because half the world is full of queer biscuits.Â
Opponents "argue that Arizona should not be permitted to request evidence of citizenship when someone registers to vote, but should instead rely on the person's sworn statement that he or she is a citizen," Arizona Attorney General Thomas C. Horne said in court papers.
Just like people 'affirm', when they say "I am legally authorized to work in the US" to accept jobs here, or, 'I am a citizen or legal resident' in order to apply for aid of various kinds. Â Affirmations are great, but checking is better. Â The IRS certainly does. Â Shouldn't we limit affirmations to persons that have a documented history of using -- not abusing -- them?
We must show proof of age to buy alcohol!
We must show proof of residency to aquire a driver's license.Â
We must show proof of residency to aquire a hunting license or fishing license.
It is only common sense to demand proof of citizenship and residence to vote!
Anything else is just plain stupid! It is no wander that the U. S. A. is in the trouble that it is in!
@Freedom1267 Also, have to show proof of citizenship the get a National Park Senior pass.
@Saltire @Freedom1267 Isn't that just a proof of age. Not all states require proof of citizenship to obtain a drivers license.
@Saltire Ahhh for those who are LEGAL to be here.... that is good enough for me.
@Saltire @Pissed0ffPirate @Freedom1267 You know that I will never fault you for being human. We do go back too long for that. :-) My passport has long expired. I guess I need to go get it back again.
Getting a Senior Pass for National Parks is limited, though. From the website: "You must be a permanent U.S. resident, or a U.S. citizen with identification such as U.S. Driver's License, Green Card or U.S. Passport."
@Pissed0ffPirate@Saltire@Freedom1267You know, in retrospect, it was a proof of age, now that you mention it. I used my US Passport as the proof.  Â
Mea culpa.
@Freedom1267Â It did take years for Obama to come up with his papers
@tally That's a good point...even if you show your legitimate papers, who's to say that anyone has to accept them?
I guess we just have to hope that Donald T Rump is not in charge that day. :-P
(He doesn't have a birth certificate. Just a dated used piece of toilet tissue from when his mom popped him out after eating too many bean burritos.)
OK I have heard of stupid questions but this almost takes the cake. If your going to vote on anything proof of citizen ship is a must. Look at the mess we are in.
@Cindy Chester I like the fact that you should just take their word that they are a us citizen.