Steep drop in unemployment rate spawns conspiracy
WASHINGTON (AP) — Sasquatch might as well have traipsed across the White House lawn Friday with a lost Warren Commission file on his way to the studio where NASA staged the moon landing.
Conspiracy theorists came out in force after the government reported a sudden drop in the U.S. unemployment rate one month before Election Day. Their message: The Obama administration would do anything to ensure a November victory, including manipulating unemployment data.
The conspiracy was widely rejected. Officials at the Labor Department said the jobs figures are calculated by highly trained government employees without any political interference. Democrats and even some Republicans said they also found the charges implausible.
Yet that didn't stop the chatter. The allegations were a measure of how politicized the monthly unemployment report has become near the end of a campaign that has focused on the economy and jobs.
The conspiracy erupted after former General Electric CEO Jack Welch, a Republican, tweeted his skepticism five minutes after the Labor Department announced that the unemployment rate had fallen to 7.8 percent in September from 8.1 percent the month before.
"Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can't debate so change numbers," Welch tweeted, referring to the site of Obama campaign headquarters.
The drop in unemployment was announced two days after Obama's lackluster performance in his first debate with Republican challenger Mitt Romney.
Republican Rep. Allen West of Florida soon announced via Facebook that he agreed with Welch.
"Somehow by manipulation of data we are all of a sudden below 8 percent unemployment, a month from the presidential election," West wrote. "This is Orwellian to say the least."
The Obama administration wasn't given much time to gloat about the strong economic improvement. Instead, it had to defend statisticians and economists against accusations made without any supporting evidence.
"No serious person ... would make claims like that," said Alan Krueger, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers.
The jobs report is prepared under tight security each month by a relatively obscure government agency — the Bureau of Labor Statistics — without any oversight or input from the White House. It is based on data collected by an army of census workers, who interview Americans in 60,000 households by telephone or door-to-door.
Eight days before the unemployment rate is made public, the bureau's office suite goes into lockdown. Tom Nardone, a 36-year veteran at the agency who oversees preparation of the report, keeps crucial papers in a safe in his office.
A big reason for the security has nothing to do with politics. The data could move financial markets if it were released early.
"These are our best-trained and best-skilled individuals," Labor Secretary Hilda Solis said on CNBC. She called the claims of manipulation "ludicrous."
The BLS, the statistical division of the Labor Department, collected and analyzed data and calculated the unemployment rate before Wednesday night's presidential debate.
Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economic Advisors, said that it's "not that unusual" for the rate to move by three-tenths of a percent in one month. It's happened 12 times in the past 10 years.
"In other words, at least once a year, you should expect that large a move," he said in an email to clients. It last happened 20 months ago, "so we were overdue. That is just the reality of the data."
Romney didn't discredit the government data. But plenty of conservatives did that work for him.
Conn Carroll, an editorial writer at the Washington Examiner, tweeted: "I don't think BLS cooked numbers. I think a bunch of Dems lied about getting jobs. That would have same effect."
Rick Manning, communications director of Americans for Limited Government and the former public affairs chief of staff at the Labor Department, said "anyone who takes this unemployment report serious is either naive or a paid Obama campaign adviser."
Rep. Paul Broun, a Georgia Republican, weighed in with a statement saying the report "raises questions for me, and frankly it should be raising eyebrows for people across the country."
Economists offered more plausible reasons for skepticism. A big chunk of the increase in employed Americans came from those who had to settle for part-time work: 582,000 more people reported that they were working part-time last month but wanted full-time jobs.
Conspiracy theories are nothing new for Obama. He has been dogged by discredited claims that he wasn't born in this country and that he is Muslim.
"Stop with the dumb conspiracy theories. Good grief," Tony Fratto, who worked for President George W. Bush, weighed in on Twitter.
It wasn't just the political elite commenting. Angelia Levy, a researcher at the Federal Judicial Center, the research arm of the federal judiciary, told her 588 Twitter followers that Welch's comments were "unbelievable."
"All of the sudden they're questioning this data that's been reported for decades," the Democrat said in a phone interview. "It's so hypocritical and ridiculous."
Justin Wolfers, a professor of business and public policy at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School and research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research, went on Twitter to say Welch "just labeled himself an idiot."
In a follow-up phone call, Wolfers said the economists who calculate the monthly jobs report "are nerds who spend their lives crunching numbers for the public service. To impute their integrity is outrageous."
The agency has been in the political glare before.
In 1971, President Nixon took aim at it after a top official, Howard Goldstein, publicly attributed a steep drop in unemployment to largely technical factors. The administration reorganized the agency and installed several officials in newly created positions. That led to charges from Democrats that the GOP administration was politicizing the bureau.
Welch said later in the day in a Fox News interview: "I don't know what the right number is, but I'll tell you, these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now."
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Mayerowitz reported from New York.
Conspiracy theorists came out in force after the government reported a sudden drop in the U.S. unemployment rate one month before Election Day. Their message: The Obama administration would do anything to ensure a November victory, including manipulating unemployment data.
The conspiracy was widely rejected. Officials at the Labor Department said the jobs figures are calculated by highly trained government employees without any political interference. Democrats and even some Republicans said they also found the charges implausible.
Yet that didn't stop the chatter. The allegations were a measure of how politicized the monthly unemployment report has become near the end of a campaign that has focused on the economy and jobs.
The conspiracy erupted after former General Electric CEO Jack Welch, a Republican, tweeted his skepticism five minutes after the Labor Department announced that the unemployment rate had fallen to 7.8 percent in September from 8.1 percent the month before.
"Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can't debate so change numbers," Welch tweeted, referring to the site of Obama campaign headquarters.
The drop in unemployment was announced two days after Obama's lackluster performance in his first debate with Republican challenger Mitt Romney.
Republican Rep. Allen West of Florida soon announced via Facebook that he agreed with Welch.
"Somehow by manipulation of data we are all of a sudden below 8 percent unemployment, a month from the presidential election," West wrote. "This is Orwellian to say the least."
The Obama administration wasn't given much time to gloat about the strong economic improvement. Instead, it had to defend statisticians and economists against accusations made without any supporting evidence.
"No serious person ... would make claims like that," said Alan Krueger, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers.
The jobs report is prepared under tight security each month by a relatively obscure government agency — the Bureau of Labor Statistics — without any oversight or input from the White House. It is based on data collected by an army of census workers, who interview Americans in 60,000 households by telephone or door-to-door.
Eight days before the unemployment rate is made public, the bureau's office suite goes into lockdown. Tom Nardone, a 36-year veteran at the agency who oversees preparation of the report, keeps crucial papers in a safe in his office.
A big reason for the security has nothing to do with politics. The data could move financial markets if it were released early.
"These are our best-trained and best-skilled individuals," Labor Secretary Hilda Solis said on CNBC. She called the claims of manipulation "ludicrous."
The BLS, the statistical division of the Labor Department, collected and analyzed data and calculated the unemployment rate before Wednesday night's presidential debate.
Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economic Advisors, said that it's "not that unusual" for the rate to move by three-tenths of a percent in one month. It's happened 12 times in the past 10 years.
"In other words, at least once a year, you should expect that large a move," he said in an email to clients. It last happened 20 months ago, "so we were overdue. That is just the reality of the data."
Romney didn't discredit the government data. But plenty of conservatives did that work for him.
Conn Carroll, an editorial writer at the Washington Examiner, tweeted: "I don't think BLS cooked numbers. I think a bunch of Dems lied about getting jobs. That would have same effect."
Rick Manning, communications director of Americans for Limited Government and the former public affairs chief of staff at the Labor Department, said "anyone who takes this unemployment report serious is either naive or a paid Obama campaign adviser."
Rep. Paul Broun, a Georgia Republican, weighed in with a statement saying the report "raises questions for me, and frankly it should be raising eyebrows for people across the country."
Economists offered more plausible reasons for skepticism. A big chunk of the increase in employed Americans came from those who had to settle for part-time work: 582,000 more people reported that they were working part-time last month but wanted full-time jobs.
Conspiracy theories are nothing new for Obama. He has been dogged by discredited claims that he wasn't born in this country and that he is Muslim.
"Stop with the dumb conspiracy theories. Good grief," Tony Fratto, who worked for President George W. Bush, weighed in on Twitter.
It wasn't just the political elite commenting. Angelia Levy, a researcher at the Federal Judicial Center, the research arm of the federal judiciary, told her 588 Twitter followers that Welch's comments were "unbelievable."
"All of the sudden they're questioning this data that's been reported for decades," the Democrat said in a phone interview. "It's so hypocritical and ridiculous."
Justin Wolfers, a professor of business and public policy at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School and research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research, went on Twitter to say Welch "just labeled himself an idiot."
In a follow-up phone call, Wolfers said the economists who calculate the monthly jobs report "are nerds who spend their lives crunching numbers for the public service. To impute their integrity is outrageous."
The agency has been in the political glare before.
In 1971, President Nixon took aim at it after a top official, Howard Goldstein, publicly attributed a steep drop in unemployment to largely technical factors. The administration reorganized the agency and installed several officials in newly created positions. That led to charges from Democrats that the GOP administration was politicizing the bureau.
Welch said later in the day in a Fox News interview: "I don't know what the right number is, but I'll tell you, these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now."
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Mayerowitz reported from New York.
It is sort of hard to measure the unemployed when they are living in their cars or under the bridge. Unless of course they have cell phones, and pay their phone bills.  Maybe they just don't count, or maybe they have too much pride to admit they can't find a job. Or maybe they consider all their time spent searching for work as having an "unpaid" job.
Finally, the demos are playing the same games that pubes have played for decades. And now you pubes have the demos version of "Acorn" except that your version is on steriods. But really, finally, some of your own medicine. GOOD!
 @swimmer More or less. It's always been the liberal democrats using either race, sex, abortion, age, class, wealth etc... to push their particular agenda to win elections. And don't put too much faith in the polls either way. When John Kerry ran for president the polls had him so far ahead that one of his top handlers said "let me be the first to call you Mr. President". Except the he lost, and Bush won. Kerry's top man admitted in court that he had personally lied about the poll results to keep the money flowing in to the Kerry campaign. So I guess we won't know till the [fat] lady sings. (maybe she's just big boned)Â
particular agenda? like Akin the pube and his legit rape agenda, or like this weeks pube with the agenda of, Evolution theory is straight from hell. Oh well maybe not to win agendas huh.. maybe just to further the mindless wasted humans that calls themselves pubes and hide behind images that give them a sense of security.
 @swimmer What a hate filled comment.......I guess we know where you will end up......
Well I'll be. Just in time for the election. All you Truethers out there just need to shut up and accept what has been handed to you. And pay no attention to the "presidents can't win re-election with unemployment over 8 percent" thing. What we have here is just a coincidence.
Where are the so called conspiracist's that never believe anything that the government puts out? Suddenly as if by magic they all think the government is pure as the wind driven snow and would not fudge the numbers just to support their argument? And never mind that the real unemployment number is closer to 14%.
The lower unemployment rate is due to more people being so discouraged that they've stopped even trying to find a job.
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Crowing about the lower rate is as sick as it would be to celebrate â in a famine situation â that there were fewer hungry people because they'd already died of starvation.
So what, are they counting the jobs they make in china?
Only Romney counts the jobs he creates overseas.
 @badcat That's unfair! Obama should be able to count the jobs he sent to the electric car and the solar components companies overseas.
Why can't the Republicans just be happy the Unemployment rate is 7.8% if they want Americans to get jobs?
Uhh I though Obama was spot-on, he didn't even have to say anything! Romney dug himself a giant pit & Barrack just facepalmed. Obama 2 Romney- -10
Any truly patriotic Republican would be saying how wonderful this is for the American people. Of course there are no truly patriotic Republicans, as they have been proving without fail. All they care about is getting Obama out of the Oval Office, and they will happily destroy the economy and anything else to make that happen. It's absolutely treasonous. Thankfully, they aren't going to steal this election and things will continue to improve. =)
@badcat When it comes to good news under the Obama administration, it's either not happening, or happening in spite of Obama. Wait til Monday. The right wing hurl machine will be changing course and embracing the new numbers. Except this time they'll be claiming the economy is turning around due to excitement about a pending Romney victory.....
 @noneofyourbizzness I get your meaning, but I suspect that many conservatives would simply agree with your first sentence without understanding it (how typical).Â
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The *real* and factual agenda of Romney and his puppet Bain Capital was simply to acquire something lucrative, with a healthy balance sheet, and bleed it dry with "management fees" until it needed to be euthanized, assets sold off, employees laid off. Of course this is simply "capitalism" and all's well that ends well for the investors. His "track record" of making a profit is as honorable as an undertaker selling the gold teeth of "clients" that a serial killer brings in for recycling.
It does not take a genius to realize the government cooks the books on unemployment no matter who is president! Â They give you a fake artificially low number that is easy to manipulate instead of the U-6 number which is the way they measured unemployment in the 80's!
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That said it would seem impossible to me that unemployment is going down by adding 140,000 new jobs last month when the average first time application for unemployment was 300k per week.....simple math!  KXL does the jobs report once a week on my way to work so I hear the numbers every week.
Ok so is it a conspiracy theory when it goes up?
Ouch Romney, that's must hurt! Took away one of your talking points.Â
Which is the more plausible scenario, right before the November elections, the unemployment rate suddenly and unexpectedly drops?, or four Americans including one of our ambassadors are ruthlessly murdered on the anniversary of 911 in cold blood by Muslim terrorists all because of a video clip on utube?
 @last boyscout You sound like a conspiracy theorist!
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 @last boyscout Unexpectedly drop?  The unemployment rate has been slowly dropping.  Get you head out of your hole!
 @MFMFIM Sure clown. And guess what?, the Titanic has stopped sinking. Can a liberal like you figure out what caused it to [stop] sinking?
 @B Smizzle How do you know how much it will generate? Plus it's 25% of profits, not revenue. So what if the place isn't profitable?Â
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Oh $19 million dollars. That's enough to cover Chip Kelly's salary.
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NEW MONEY FOR SCHOOLS AND OTHER SERVICES
25 percent of gaming revenue generated by the development will go to fund schools and other important public services.
Each year the development will generate $100 million for schools and other services and local communities throughout Oregon, including $12 million for parks and natural habitat restoration or fish and wildlife.
Combined state and local taxes from The Grange will total $19 million.
No tax payer dollars or tax subsidies â entire development will be private investment
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Be gone troll!
 @B Smizzle They're not going to just "give" schools money.
 @on shing dao Yes because that is part of the deal...funny too you totally skip over all the wrong things you said and change the subject!
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Now go take your troll meds!
 @last boyscout Well Un-American Boyscout, if you looked at the dropping rate of unemployment you would have noticed it went down under President Obama.  Well let me think, it peeked at 9.4% subtract 7.8%.  Hummm????  Oh, 1.6%.Â
 @B Smizzle Aw man, it's constitutionist. What argh you'z? One of 'em libruls? What casino gives money to schools? You actually buy that?
 @on shing dao  @last boyscout  @MFMFIM "Are you saying you support the Federal Reserve? Makes sense since you are a constitutionist."
1. Actually it is a constitutionalist not constitutionist
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2. If he is a constitutionalist he would not support the federal reserve.
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"Article I, Section 8, Clause 5: The Congress shall have Powerâ¦To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures.
Article I, Section 10, Clause 1: No State shallâ¦coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debt."
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3. The Grange casino will not make money out of thin air, it will take the money that ways made out of thin air out of it customers pockets and into theirs as well as the State and the Schools.Â
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 @last boyscout  @MFMFIM I know what caused it to stop sinking. The Grange casino. It can do almost anything. Even create money out of thin air. Kind of like the Federal Reserve. Are you saying you support the Federal Reserve? Makes sense since you are a constitutionist.