Suspense to the end, Obama, Romney yield to voters
CLEVELAND (AP) - Campaign 2012 packed frantic suspense to the finish Tuesday, with Vice President Joe Biden flying unannounced up next to Republican Mitt Romney in battleground Ohio even as voters across the country were deciding who would win the White House.
President Barack Obama stayed in hometown Chicago, reaching out to swing-state voters on the phones and via satellite while the other three men on the rival tickets had a high noon show-down along the shore of Lake Erie.
Romney and running mate Paul Ryan had scheduled the stop together just Monday, and Biden flew in to play defense as Romney waited on his plane for Ryan's arrival. The vice president rolled off the tarmac without comment to the surprised media traveling with him, just as Ryan's charter pulled in for a landing.
The rush for Ohio and its 18 electoral votes highlighted the importance of the state to both campaigns' victory plans. Polls going into Election Day showed Obama with a narrow lead there, and Romney said the eleventh-hour campaigning was meant to leave him with no regrets.
"I can't imagine an election being won or lost by, let's say, a few hundred votes and you spent your day sitting around," Romney told Richmond radio station WRVA earlier in the day. "I mean, you'd say to yourself, 'Holy cow, why didn't I keep working?' And so I'm going to make sure I never have to look back with anything other than the greatest degree of satisfaction on this whole campaign."
Meanwhile, Americans headed into polling places in sleepy hollows, bustling cities and superstorm-ravaged beach towns deeply divided. All sides are awaiting, in particular, a verdict from the nine battleground states whose votes will determine which man can piece together the 270 electoral votes needed for victory.
Obama has more options for getting there. So Romney decided to make the late dash to Cleveland and Pittsburgh on Tuesday while running mate Ryan planned another stop in Richmond, Va.
Obama visited a campaign office close to his home in Chicago and was met by applause and tears from volunteers before he picked up a phone to call voters in neighboring Wisconsin. He told reporters that the election comes down to which side can get the most supporters to turn out.
"I also want to say to Gov. Romney, 'Congratulations on a spirited campaign.' I know his supporters are just as engaged, just as enthusiastic and working just as hard today," the president said. The tightness of the race didn't keep Obama from winding down with his traditional Election Day basketball game with friends.
Romney was asked on WTAM radio in Cleveland whether he agreed that voters always get it right in the end. "I won't guarantee that they'll get it right, but I think they will," Romney replied.
It wasn't just the presidency at stake Tuesday: Every House seat, a third of the Senate and 11 governorships were on the line, along with state ballot proposals on topics ranging from gay marriage and casino gambling to repealing the death penalty and legalizing marijuana. Democrats were defending their majority in the Senate, and Republicans doing likewise in the House, raising the prospect of continued partisan wrangling in the years ahead no matter who might be president.
The forecast for Election Day promised dry weather for much of the country, with rain expected in two battlegrounds, Florida and Wisconsin. But the closing days of the campaign played out against ongoing recovery efforts after Superstorm Sandy. Election officials in New York and New Jersey scrambled to marshal generators, move voting locations, shuttle storm victims to polling places and take other steps to ensure everyone who wanted to vote could do so.
In New York City, authorities planned to run shuttle buses every 15 minutes Tuesday in storm-slammed areas to bring voters to the polls. In Ocean County along the New Jersey coast, officials hired a converted camper to bring mail-in ballots to shelters in Toms River, Pemberton and Burlington Township.
"This is the happiest vote I ever cast in my life," said Annette DeBona as she voted for Romney in Point Pleasant Beach, N.J. The 73-year-old restaurant worker was so worried about not being able to vote that she called the police department several days in advance, as well as her church, to make absolutely sure she knew where to go and when.
Renee Kearney, of Point Pleasant Beach, said she felt additional responsibility to vote this Election Day. The 41-year-old project manager for an information technology company planned all along to vote for Obama, but said her resolve was strengthened by his response to Sandy.
"It feels extra important today because you have the opportunity to influence the state of things right now, which is a disaster," Kearney said.
Election Day came early for more than a third of Americans, who cast ballots days or even weeks in advance. An estimated 46 million ballots, or 35 percent of the 133 million expected to be cast, were projected to be early ballots, according to Michael McDonald, an early voting expert at George Mason University who tallies voting statistics for the United States Elections Project. None of those ballots were being counted until Tuesday.
Biden and his wife, Jill Biden, were among the first voters Tuesday in at a polling place in Greenville, Del., Biden's home state. Smiling broadly, Biden waited in line with other voters and greeted them with a handshake. Outside he sent a message to people across the country who may encounter crowded polling places. "I encourage you to stand in line as long as you have to," he told television cameras.
The Obamas voted last month in an effort to encourage supporters to vote early. The men on the GOP ticket each voted with their wives at their side Tuesday morning in their hometowns - Romney in Belmont, Mass., and Ryan in Janesville, Wis. - then headed to meet in Cleveland for some retail politicking at restaurants and other unannounced stops. The last-minute nature of the swing made it too difficult to arrange a big public event, but their hope was their joint visit would get local news coverage that might translate to more support.
Romney and Ryan visited a campaign office in in Richmond Heights, Ohio, to thank volunteers. "This is a big day for big change," Romney said." The pair then stopped at a nearby Wendy's for quarter-pound hamburgers.
Ten miles to the west, Biden stopped at the Landmark Restaurant lunch counter and apologized for the commotion caused by his entourage. He told diners in one booth he understands they just came to get some spaghetti "and Joe Biden shows up."
Both sides cast the Election Day choice as one with far-reaching repercussions for a nation still recovering from the biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression and at odds over how big a role government should play in solving the country's problems.
"We can make sure that we make even greater progress going forward in putting folks back to work and making sure that they've got decent take-home pay, making sure that they have the health insurance that they need, making sure we're protecting Medicare and Social Security," Obama said in an interview broadcast Tuesday on "The Steve Harvey Morning Show." ''All those issues are on the ballot, and so I'm hoping that everybody takes this seriously."
Romney argued that Obama had his chance to help Americans financially and blew it. "If it comes down to economics and jobs, this is an election I should win," Romney told Cleveland station WTAM.
With both sides keeping up the onslaught of political ads in battleground states right into Election Day, on one thing, at least, there was broad agreement: "I am ready for it to be over," said nurse Jennifer Walker in Columbus, Ohio.
The election played out with intensity in the small subset of battleground states: Colorado, Iowa, Florida, New Hampshire, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin. Romney's late move to add Pennsylvania to the mix was an effort to expand his options, and Republicans poured millions into previously empty airwaves there.
In the campaign's final hours, voters around the country echoed the closing arguments of the two presidential candidates.
Jim Clark, a 42-year-old computer administrator from Topeka, Kan., is a registered Republican who voted for Obama in 2008, seeking change. But he voted Tuesday for Romney after losing a full-time job two years ago and working temporary assignments since then.
"I'm just ready for a change," Clark said. "It's tougher for me, personally. The economy has not improved."
Lauren Clay, 28, a doctoral student in disaster science and management, voted for Obama.
"He has a done a really good job given what he was handed four years ago," she said.
President Barack Obama stayed in hometown Chicago, reaching out to swing-state voters on the phones and via satellite while the other three men on the rival tickets had a high noon show-down along the shore of Lake Erie.
Romney and running mate Paul Ryan had scheduled the stop together just Monday, and Biden flew in to play defense as Romney waited on his plane for Ryan's arrival. The vice president rolled off the tarmac without comment to the surprised media traveling with him, just as Ryan's charter pulled in for a landing.
The rush for Ohio and its 18 electoral votes highlighted the importance of the state to both campaigns' victory plans. Polls going into Election Day showed Obama with a narrow lead there, and Romney said the eleventh-hour campaigning was meant to leave him with no regrets.
"I can't imagine an election being won or lost by, let's say, a few hundred votes and you spent your day sitting around," Romney told Richmond radio station WRVA earlier in the day. "I mean, you'd say to yourself, 'Holy cow, why didn't I keep working?' And so I'm going to make sure I never have to look back with anything other than the greatest degree of satisfaction on this whole campaign."
Meanwhile, Americans headed into polling places in sleepy hollows, bustling cities and superstorm-ravaged beach towns deeply divided. All sides are awaiting, in particular, a verdict from the nine battleground states whose votes will determine which man can piece together the 270 electoral votes needed for victory.
Obama has more options for getting there. So Romney decided to make the late dash to Cleveland and Pittsburgh on Tuesday while running mate Ryan planned another stop in Richmond, Va.
Obama visited a campaign office close to his home in Chicago and was met by applause and tears from volunteers before he picked up a phone to call voters in neighboring Wisconsin. He told reporters that the election comes down to which side can get the most supporters to turn out.
"I also want to say to Gov. Romney, 'Congratulations on a spirited campaign.' I know his supporters are just as engaged, just as enthusiastic and working just as hard today," the president said. The tightness of the race didn't keep Obama from winding down with his traditional Election Day basketball game with friends.
Romney was asked on WTAM radio in Cleveland whether he agreed that voters always get it right in the end. "I won't guarantee that they'll get it right, but I think they will," Romney replied.
It wasn't just the presidency at stake Tuesday: Every House seat, a third of the Senate and 11 governorships were on the line, along with state ballot proposals on topics ranging from gay marriage and casino gambling to repealing the death penalty and legalizing marijuana. Democrats were defending their majority in the Senate, and Republicans doing likewise in the House, raising the prospect of continued partisan wrangling in the years ahead no matter who might be president.
The forecast for Election Day promised dry weather for much of the country, with rain expected in two battlegrounds, Florida and Wisconsin. But the closing days of the campaign played out against ongoing recovery efforts after Superstorm Sandy. Election officials in New York and New Jersey scrambled to marshal generators, move voting locations, shuttle storm victims to polling places and take other steps to ensure everyone who wanted to vote could do so.
In New York City, authorities planned to run shuttle buses every 15 minutes Tuesday in storm-slammed areas to bring voters to the polls. In Ocean County along the New Jersey coast, officials hired a converted camper to bring mail-in ballots to shelters in Toms River, Pemberton and Burlington Township.
"This is the happiest vote I ever cast in my life," said Annette DeBona as she voted for Romney in Point Pleasant Beach, N.J. The 73-year-old restaurant worker was so worried about not being able to vote that she called the police department several days in advance, as well as her church, to make absolutely sure she knew where to go and when.
Renee Kearney, of Point Pleasant Beach, said she felt additional responsibility to vote this Election Day. The 41-year-old project manager for an information technology company planned all along to vote for Obama, but said her resolve was strengthened by his response to Sandy.
"It feels extra important today because you have the opportunity to influence the state of things right now, which is a disaster," Kearney said.
Election Day came early for more than a third of Americans, who cast ballots days or even weeks in advance. An estimated 46 million ballots, or 35 percent of the 133 million expected to be cast, were projected to be early ballots, according to Michael McDonald, an early voting expert at George Mason University who tallies voting statistics for the United States Elections Project. None of those ballots were being counted until Tuesday.
Biden and his wife, Jill Biden, were among the first voters Tuesday in at a polling place in Greenville, Del., Biden's home state. Smiling broadly, Biden waited in line with other voters and greeted them with a handshake. Outside he sent a message to people across the country who may encounter crowded polling places. "I encourage you to stand in line as long as you have to," he told television cameras.
The Obamas voted last month in an effort to encourage supporters to vote early. The men on the GOP ticket each voted with their wives at their side Tuesday morning in their hometowns - Romney in Belmont, Mass., and Ryan in Janesville, Wis. - then headed to meet in Cleveland for some retail politicking at restaurants and other unannounced stops. The last-minute nature of the swing made it too difficult to arrange a big public event, but their hope was their joint visit would get local news coverage that might translate to more support.
Romney and Ryan visited a campaign office in in Richmond Heights, Ohio, to thank volunteers. "This is a big day for big change," Romney said." The pair then stopped at a nearby Wendy's for quarter-pound hamburgers.
Ten miles to the west, Biden stopped at the Landmark Restaurant lunch counter and apologized for the commotion caused by his entourage. He told diners in one booth he understands they just came to get some spaghetti "and Joe Biden shows up."
Both sides cast the Election Day choice as one with far-reaching repercussions for a nation still recovering from the biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression and at odds over how big a role government should play in solving the country's problems.
"We can make sure that we make even greater progress going forward in putting folks back to work and making sure that they've got decent take-home pay, making sure that they have the health insurance that they need, making sure we're protecting Medicare and Social Security," Obama said in an interview broadcast Tuesday on "The Steve Harvey Morning Show." ''All those issues are on the ballot, and so I'm hoping that everybody takes this seriously."
Romney argued that Obama had his chance to help Americans financially and blew it. "If it comes down to economics and jobs, this is an election I should win," Romney told Cleveland station WTAM.
With both sides keeping up the onslaught of political ads in battleground states right into Election Day, on one thing, at least, there was broad agreement: "I am ready for it to be over," said nurse Jennifer Walker in Columbus, Ohio.
The election played out with intensity in the small subset of battleground states: Colorado, Iowa, Florida, New Hampshire, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin. Romney's late move to add Pennsylvania to the mix was an effort to expand his options, and Republicans poured millions into previously empty airwaves there.
In the campaign's final hours, voters around the country echoed the closing arguments of the two presidential candidates.
Jim Clark, a 42-year-old computer administrator from Topeka, Kan., is a registered Republican who voted for Obama in 2008, seeking change. But he voted Tuesday for Romney after losing a full-time job two years ago and working temporary assignments since then.
"I'm just ready for a change," Clark said. "It's tougher for me, personally. The economy has not improved."
Lauren Clay, 28, a doctoral student in disaster science and management, voted for Obama.
"He has a done a really good job given what he was handed four years ago," she said.
I think the presidency should be decided by a fight to the death in a cage, "Thunder Dome" style.
I did some calculations...
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Romney has 191 EV's (electorial votes) in states that are not battle ground states.
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Add Florida (29), Virginia (13) and North Carolina (15) and he has 248.
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Colorado (9) and Iowa (6) give him 263.
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It is looking like he also picks up Ohio (18) to give him 281 (9 more than needed to become the 45th President).
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I think he has a good chance at Pennsylvania (20), Wisconsin (10) and New Hampshire (4) to bring him to 315.
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He even might get Nevada (6) which would bring the total to 321, but I think that I will put my prediction at 315.
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 @Dirtman If you prove Nate Silver wrong with your calculations, I hope the New York Times lets you take his place - the Dirtman blog would need to happen.
 @Dirtman That would be under highly optimistic circumstances.
@pdxd I'm an optimistic sort of guy.
@Dirtman New House? I'm sure the current make up of the House would push to get it done, especially if there were a major change in the division of members.
@pdxd It would be funny if it was a tie - 269 to 269. Then the new House picks the President and the new Senate picks the Vice President. It could be possible that Romney is President and Obama or Biden is Vice President.
 @Dirtman Well, I'm sure we are optimistic for opposing candidates. But as I told a friend earlier today, always best to look at the glass as half-full.
The only reason they tell you there is suspense to the end, is so that the talking heads have something to bobble about.
After listening to Obama, I decided this might be a good idea... so I WILL vote for revenge:
⢠Revenge for a dead ambassador, two dead seals, and one dead staffer.
⢠Revenge for the Benghazi cover-up.
⢠Revenge for 8% unemployment.
⢠Revenge for $4.00 / girl. gasoline.
⢠Revenge for killing the Keystone pipeline.
⢠Revenge for forcing obamacare down our collective throats.
⢠Revenge for raiding medicare of more than $700B (yes, B as in billion) to pay for obamacare.
⢠Revenge for $16+T (yes, T as in trillion) in national debt. ⢠Revenge for the 300% increase in our supplemental    health care costs. ⢠Revenge for the overwhelming regulations that have crippled both large and small business.
⢠Revenge for Dodd Frank.
⢠Revenge for the $90+B (yes, B as in billion) for "green" energy to campaign contributors.
⢠Revenge for all the "green" projects that have.  gone bust (i.e.: Solyndra).
⢠Revenge for giving all those that are 65+ the finger WRT social security, Medicare, etc.
⢠Revenge for 4+years of LIES / DISTORTIONS / DECEPTIONS / DECEIT / and the beat goes on... Yes, I plan to    vote for REVENGE: and out of revenge, I will vote for LOVE OF MY COUNTRY, and for the only candidate who  shares my views: MITT ROMNEY.
And all you Obama supporters can please observe the sprig of mistletoe tied to my shirt tail. If Obama wins, I promise to be as gracious and cooperative as the democrats were in 2000 and 2004â¦
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 @KHEB Bitter much?Â
 @KHEB Three cheers for KHEB! He's the first with the Libya angle! I was starting to worry, but then he came through with not one, but two Benghazi-related revenge bullet points. Way to go KHEB! As a prize, how about you be the first to pucker up for that mistletoe?
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And let me tell you, $4 bucks for a girl and gasoline has me steamed, too!
 @Max Quinn ... let me try to understand your your attitude toward our American Heroes...first, it's obvious neither you nor anyone close to you ever served in the military, have no respect for the those putting country first, to face the dangers to protect your butt - yes, your sad rear-end.....if we had to depend on people like you for our safety we'd all be speaking another language, begging on street corners, etc., etc.  Oh how I loathe what you stand for....
 @KHEB  @pdxd For the record, it's not the mention of Benghazi that sets me off - it needs to be investigated (just like countless other disasters abroad under every administration in modern US history). I object to the blatant politicizing of it. If you could refrain from making s h ! t up, I'd be fine with it. But you can't. So we get rumors of rape and the president watching it all over a drone-provided video link (quite a trick for something that happened at night). Oh and when did he call it a terrorist attack. And the "cover-up" - as though covering it up would have been possible. All from a bunch of people who endlessly made excuses for the war in Iraq...
 @KHEB Oh, yes, Romney kept his rabble-rousing confined state-side to our knowledge, pranking people while dressed as a state trooper and so forth.
 @blotto Oh, and don't forget, according to Mrs. Romney, those preaching missionaries are performing the same levels of service as our military.
 @blotto .. and your point...other than to let us know you served....at least Romney was doing something constructive - not rabblel-rousing....Â
 @Bdou I am so proud of Romney's service to our country.  While I was serving in the Army, he was in France preaching.  God Bless America.
 @pdxd ... in that case you are not making any sense unless you agree with Quinn that any mention of Benghazi and it's attempted cover-up by Obama should go unspoken of and let the cover-up happen so you don't have to think about it...personally, I am appalled at the consensus of opinion expressed here over the last couple of months...
 @KHEB You didn't mention my name, and no I don't fall into that alleged category that you specified. However, I don't take anyone making accusations about disrespecting our service members lightly. I hold a very high respect for those who have served in the military, and consider quite a few friends to be among those who served.Â
 @pdxd ... let me see.  First off I don't recall having you in mind when I replied to Quinn but since you threw yourself into the conversation such as you have, I can only assume I struck a nerve and you do fall into the same category....
 @KHEB I support our current Commander in Chief. My dad served during Korea, I have multiple uncles who served during WWII, I have cousins who served in Vietnam, and friends & acquaintances who served during Desert Storm and in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is your free speach to claim that I have no respect for the sacrifices made by our soldiers. Not that you're even paying attention, but if you care to know what I loathe, it's people like yourself that think that people such as myself who are supporting President Obama don't have respect for our armed services. I respect our President, our armed forces, and our constitution. I'm proud to be an American, and you will never be able to take that away from me. You are free to go loathe on yourself KHEB.
@KHEB  You go. You told it like it is. As for Max Quinn, I served in the military and am retired from the U.S. Navy. Go suck an egg. Obama is a traitor to this nation. I hope he goes down in the flames of the conculate in Benghazi. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE DEFENDING OUR GREAT NATION AND TO THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE.
 @KHEB  @Max Quinn Actually, I respect them enough not to make shameless political footballs out of their bodies...
According to the poles, the Democrats started with an early lead, but a swing is expected as soon as the Republicans get off work.
@flyroy 10 foot poles or did they just ask a bunch of Polish people?
 @JTesla They meant the North Pole, with Santa Clause, the magic gold plates, and Noah's Ark.
People give up to easy and listen to negative remarks of special interest. Thats to bad for the health of every citizen. No one wins and the fighting keeps going on and on. It takes so long for anything to get done that is really important. May everyone be well and help each other and stop the war at home first, before we can stop the wars around the world.Â
 @Chas Airey It depends on what you think is important. 54% of the people think repealing Obamacare is important. Put in a republican prez & congress and it will happen. That's healthy.
 @TimBurr  @Chas Airey Repealing Obamacare would be very costly and a bad idea, a real politician who actually cared about everyone would improve it.
@TimBurr Prior to last March most of the people were opposed to raising taxes to cut the debt, AND opposed to cutting spending to cut the debt. Old school politicians did what they do best, ignore what is good for the future to focus on what is good for their next election campaign.
 @TimBurr  @Chas Airey Can't argue with that, too bad none of the politicians fit that bill....they listen to the campaign donors.
 @deejm2112  @Chas Airey A real old-school politician would listen to the people.
Whether I agree with your vote, or you agree with my vote, one thing is for certain today, we are all very lucky, and should be very thankful that we have the opportunity to vote in this election.Â
I look at bipartisanship as describing one-party rule with our elections deciding whether the left wing or the right wing of the party will be in charge.
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With that said, the elections are not irrelevant and things will not be the same regardless who wins. Romney's promising 20% tax cuts and major spending cuts. He wants to establish an alternative voucher system for Medicare and repeal Obamacare. You might think all of this is great (that's your right), but these policies will create a country much different than the one that Obama's election would lead to. The differences might seem small at first, but over the years those differences will magnify.
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Then there's the Supreme Court and the notion of going to war with Iran - a couple of policy differences there, too, with big implications.
I would love for a third party to be a viable option, but that needs to start from the bottom. If you want the Libertarian Party or the Green Party to be a major political force, work to get them elected to state assemblies and work your way up. You'll need to change some laws to break the bipartisan lock hold, but this has to be done from below, not above.
@Max Quinn Absolutely, have to start with amending the Constitution first. I can only imagine how big a fit people would have if the House were to decide this election.
 @Max Quinn Interesting - I see bipartisanship as both sides having a civil discussion and working together toward the common good of the US. No president should be able to force their agenda onto the American people - we're not electing a king or an emporer....
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In my opinion, one of the President's most important responsibilities (whomever it may be) is to provide the leadership necessary for both sides to work together and compromise. It doesn't seem to have happened for years, and I just don't feel like our current president has done anything to improve the partisan climate and the gridlock we have in DC. Â
 @Ifishsum I'm not against civil discussion. But any valid (and truly civil) discussion must include all reasonable voices - the two party system fails to do that.
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IMHO, the current president has gone too far trying to strike a vein of bipartisanship. The Republicans adopted a scorched earth policy of opposition. You can't have a civil discussion without someone who rejects the very notion and opposes any compromise at all.
 @deejm2112  @Ifishsum  @Max QuinnI'm not arguing with you on this.
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"Everyone seems to have forgotten that key republicans and the freshmen tea party congressmen don't give a crap about the good of this country, they care about the republican party above everything else."
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I just want to say I think they feel they are doing what they were voted in to do. The majority of voters put them there with their promise to stop key things and that is what they are doing. I think the voters now are see that may have not been the right choice, but they made the decision and the alternative may have been just as bad to them. I think both sides need to ease up, but I'm not sure it is going to happen soon. I hope people can see from this election that we have a high percentage of people that believe in both parties and if they are going to represent the people they better start working together.
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I voted for people from both parties based on who I thought would do a better job. I don't care who marries who and although I don't agree with abortion, I wouldn't make it illegal. On the other hand, I think more people need to take personal responsibility for their actions and not expect the Government to take care of everything for them. Politics it just to complicated to vote for one party and ignore 1/2 the population.
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This is just may opinion and you know what those are like:-)
 @Ifishsum  @Max Quinn "but how have President Obama or any of the key Democrats made any real effort to listen"
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As a matter of fact, Obama did listen, very early on too, when they were working on a budget (which was backed by McCain and Mitch McConnel, and a few others), it had a lot of cuts on it, and Obama said It won't be easy but Obama did back it, and then, out of the blue, the backing Republicans suddenly wanted nothing to do with it.
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Everyone seems to have forgotten that key republicans and the freshmen tea party congressmen don't give a crap about the good of this country, they care about the republican party above everything else, and secondly discrediting the democrats. They were willing to risk the financial stability of this country by holding the budget as ransom on principal, and then employing more filibusters than any time in this countrys history. This is not a party that cares about the people.
 @Ifishsum It's not just me who thinks this: http://www.amazon.com/Even-Worse-Than-Looks-Constitutional/dp/0465031331/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352231692&sr=1-1&keywords=even+worse+than+you+think
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The authors (one liberal, one conservative (member of the American Enterprise Institute) say: 'The political system faces what the authors call âasymmetric polarization,â with the Republican Party implacably refusing to allow anything that might help the Democrats politically, no matter the cost.'
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The Republicans had opportunity to work on Obamacare but they refused to even acknowledge the problem. Instead, guys like Sen. Jim DeMint viewed blocking Obamacare as a chance to break the president.
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 @Max Quinn You're blaming only Republicans, but how have President Obama or any of the key Democrats made any real effort to listen?  Partisanship has only become worse on both sides in the last four years, and I feel like the president set the tone early by pushing Obamacare through as an "all or nothing" package without any real chance of discussion or compromise. And now we have Harry Reid officially stating that if Mitt is elected, he will not work at all with him.  They have given up trying to be civil, and that includes the President.
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I wish American voters would replace lawmakers on all sides who refuse to work together.  Our legislators are acting like spoiled children - and I'd like to see a president who will focus on restoring civil debate, even if it means compromising his own agenda. In other words, a leader. It will not be easy, and it will almost certainly mean breaking from party to some degree. I don't know if Mitt Romney can do it - but President Obama has certainly not convinced me that he can.Â
@Max Quinn  """. The differences might seem small at first, but over the years those differences will magnify.""""
 I completely agree, it could even be debated on how small or significant the differences are even at first.Â
I have to wonder about those who say Bronco Bamma and Mittens are pretty much the same..... they have some very significant differences..... on second thought, most of those I know who think they are the same are the same people voting third party. I think its their justification for voting for a known lloser.Â
Were live in Downtown Portland where police have been called to control a crowd of Obama supporters. They are currently smashing business windows and flipping cars due to the Romney Victory. Just like a spoiled child liberals tend to not mature as fast as a conservative. Back to you in the studio.
 @Oregon_University_of_Made_in_China Very likely scenario in every large city. Fire fighters will be busy tonight if Romney wins.
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http://www.infowars.com/obama-supporters-continue-threats-to-riot-assassinate-romney/
 @TimBurr  @Oregon_University_of_Made_in_China Info wars....lol, dedicated to the expansion of fear and paranoia.
 @Oregon_University_of_Made_in_China You mean because children of conservative parents are beaten, right?
B Ho out the door in four........ I can only hope for change
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if mittens loses, it will mean that Bronco Bamma will make 8% uneimployment the new norm with his dreadful economic policies.
If obama wins the country will be in a state of mourning and depression.
 @sortbait If obama wins everything will be exactly like it is today, better than it was 4 years ago.
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If Mittens wins everything will be exactly like it is today, better than it was 4 years ago.
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Seriously, nothing will change.
 @deejm2112  @sortbait I am not better off then I was 4 years ago and nobody I talk to claims to be either so not sure what you are doing but I think you are a minority...
 @pdxd  @FreedomRocks  @deejm2112  @sortbait Well I know the 50 people laid off this week are not better off...
 @deejm2112 Mine too! In fact, my 401K has been thriving lately.
 @FreedomRocks  @sortbait Years not over yet but personally my family (close and extended) is way better off AND my 401K is back to where it was before the corrupt banks destroyed it.
@FreedomRocks @deejm2112 @sortbait Then maybe you just don't know the right people.
 @sortbait Says you. I'll be celebrating if Obama wins. If Romney wins, I'll be mourning the fact that I'll have another 4 years of a president who wishes to deny me rights.
 @pdxd  @sortbait Gay marriage is the only right Romney would likely deny anyone and everywhere it's voted on the public tends to agree. Is that really the biggest issue in your life? I would think economy and jobs would be first on everyone's mind since our entire way of life depends and without it the government is totally broke...
 @blotto  @pdxd  @sortbait Exactly and one more liberal judge and our country will go down the toilet for my life time and my kids life times...
 @MissLissaJ  @FreedomRocks  @pdxd  @sortbait You say trickle down has been around for a long time.  Here's a chart on share of income going to the middle class going back to 1968.
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But I don't want you to believe the chart I posted. Â Please do your own research. Â You can use census data.
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As to abortion, one additional conservative justice and it's gone.
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Your rant about people who don't want to work is delusional.
 @Kachina  @pdxd  @freedomrocks Roe v Wade is not a constitutional amendment.  It was decided by the Supreme Court.  The Court can reverse Roe v. Wade and no amendment is needed.
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I would have liked to see a more progressive presidency than Obama brought, but then the Republicans set a record for filibusters.  But, you argument on Obama's inability to accomplish all he set out to do smacks of sophistry.  If Obama had been more effective you would only like him less.
 @FreedomRocks  @blotto  @pdxd  @sortbait So you are voting for Romney but you don't believe he will do what he says on abortion?  Do you fail to understand that it only takes on more conservative justice to get rid of abortion rights?  Do you know that the share of income going to the middle class has declined since Reagan?  Do you really believe giving unfettered power to corporations will make America better?
 @MissLissaJ I object, there are 2 McDonalds near my office, and I have yet to see a worker with a $100 hairjob, or $50 nails, or flinging an authentic designer bag. Myself on the other hand, I work full time, have thrived in the economy, and yes, have some authentic designer goods, but it's because I've worked the full time job market since age 20. And while you may be willing to minimize your vajayjay, my dillydally doesn't want to minimize it's rights to marry another dillydally. This whole 47% who want entitlement debate really irks me by the way. I've always prided myself on interacting with a wide spectrum of individuals. When I stop at the corner store of a morning, the assistant manager and I talk there, she has a few kids, one playing Jr. football another cheerleading, and we've discussed the costs of participating in those, I'm sure it's rough on her and her husband to supports their childrens activities, and that's why she works a 2nd job. In the past year that I've gotten to know her, not once have I heard her speak of how she feels entitled to having more. She knows that sometimes you have to put in extra work in order to pay for the things that go beyond the basic essentials, I know she is not alone in this, there are many others who go above and beyond to try to give their children/families more than just the basics, and to insinuate that they feel entitled, and want handouts, is nothing more than a slap in their face.Â
 @blotto  @FreedomRocks  @pdxd  @sortbait Really? Since "trickle down economics" has been the by word of our society for how many years and we've only recently run into a huge spate of unemployment (made worse by Obama's policies and deciding campaigning was more important than working with his jobs council) and we're a hugely successful country, how do you figure that sort of economic model doesn't work?
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If you want to really consider the cause of the economic collapse in the us it's two things: One, the entitlement complex is a HUGE thing. There are plenty of jobs, the problem is, many people feel like those jobs are beneath them. Children graduate high school and college and believe they should be making 6 figure salaries that pay for their every whim. They have ZERO concept of work ethic (why should I have to work to advance in the ranks and get what I want?!) and even less personal pride in workmanship. You drive up to a fast food restaurant like McDonald's these days and you see people with fancy nail and dye jobs, sullenly doing the work, slapping stuff together and shoving it out the window in your face, with a double helping of attitude and entitlement. These are the people who feel they don't have to work, shouldn't have to work, but should have their coach purses and fancy clothes and expensive nails and hairdos.They wonder why they never advance to anything better? This is that 47% that exists, but everyone wants to deny. America was built on hard work, and it's going to fail because the citizens think that now they should be able to rest on their laurels and reap the rewards of past generations just for being.Â
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The second reason for the current economic crisis is the mechanization of most jobs in the US. Machines are replacing people for everything. It's easier to pay a set amount of money and get a robot to do it perfectly than 50 people to do the same thing with less aesthetic "quality."Â
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As for Abortion....really?! Is this even still an issue?! Romney is NOT going to repeal Roe V. Wade. Of ALL the presidential hopefuls who have made that promise, who have even attempted to act on it? NONE. The SCOTUS justices aren't stupid and wouldn't approve the constitutionality of a suit like that, anyway. It's all about appearing to be bat crap crazy on either side of the political spectrum so you can even get party nomination.
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I'll tell you one thing, though--the libs have really pissed off a lot of women who work, raise families, and generally worry about things other than the rights of our reproductive organs. You know--like are our husbands or ourselves going to lose our jobs and losing the house? What kind of country and debt are we leaving behind for our children? How will our health benefits suffer and can we afford them on the "open" exchange Obamacare is supposedly supposed to offer? My vajayjay and my uterus are furthest from my mind in these scary times. We've become a nation obsessed with petty, stupid, first world problems and we perseverate and stump and wheel on those, while ignoring the real issues at hand. That is where the danger lies.
 @FreedomRocks  @pdxd  @sortbait THANK YOU! That's the thing, people are getting so caught up in the non issues that they don't realize if the country goes completely to hell, the petty little things like gay rights or access to contraception aren't going to matter a dang thing when inflation hits, there is no access to resources, and the like. But hey, let's live like we're going to die young.Â
 @FreedomRocks  @blotto  @pdxd  @sortbait "under Obama the middle class has been crushed"- FALSE
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What crushed the middle class? Loose regulations that allowed anyone with a pulse to over borrow, and when the overinflated housing market crashed, and people defaulted on loans they couldn't pay back, the banks took everything back for pennies on the dollar. Regulations and controls meant to reduce the risks were overlooked, anyone who warned were kept quiet, as long as the rich folks were making gobs of $ no one was going to slow it down. This is what you get when a system is based of greed, and the politicians are funded by those very folks raping the middle class. Don't think for a second that Mitt is any different.
@pdxd @freedomrocks The President does not have the ability to overturn a Constitutional Amendment. Quit listening to all the scare tactics. Obama talks the talk, but hasn't lived up to promises made in the past. Since he has no track record of success in anything but union organizing, I have to question Obama's ability and capability to do the things he thinks he can do. I'm not willing to risk another four years on someone who has no realistic clue about his own strengths and weaknesses.Â
 @freedromrocks Actually, I'm in the private sector, am not any sort of government contractor, and I'm doing much better financially than I was in 2008 or 2004. I'm not getting crushed, and I consider myself part of the working-middle class.
 @freedomrocks Romney is also wanting to reverse Roe V Wade, so it is a much bigger issue than just Gay Marriage. And speaking of the economy, states like New York reported substantial economic gains from the wedding industry after Gay Marriage was legalized there. I'm all for the economy and jobs, which I believe legalizing gay marriage will help create more jobs. I have faith that Obama would encourage companies to bring more jobs to the US.  I don't have that same faith in Romney.
 @blotto  @pdxd  @sortbait Romney is about as likely to go after changing abortion as Obama is to actually be bipartisan. It ain't going to happen...
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As for trickle down economics do you actually understand who creates the jobs in the country? The government is just a giant parasite on the economy and its workers. Adding more government jobs and higher taxes is just going to make things worse not better. Unless your a government employee Obama is not going to help you or your family.
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Under Obama the middle class has been crushed and he is just getting started. If you wanted a strong middle class you really voted for the wrong guy...
 @FreedomRocks  @pdxd  @sortbait I care about the economy and jobs.  Trickle down economics hasn't created jobs and won't create jobs.  It's just a transfer of money to the rich.  America's strength has long been rooted in a strong middle class.  The transfer of wealth to the rich that continues to be pushed by Republicans will only further decimate the middle class.
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As to rights, the Republicans (and Romney's platform) continue to push to deny abortion rights. Â I strongly believe that every woman should have a right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Â These are hard economic times, and in many instances the financial hardship of raising a child will leave a woman in poverty, end her ability to continue her education, etc.
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Then, there is the unholy alliance between the big money corporate greed and fundamentalist religion. Â Big money wants to deny global warming for reasons of profit and the fundamentalists deny science because the world is only several thousand years old, etc.
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Finally, when Obama wins, the country won't be in mourning. Â Maybe you will.
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 @MrAchilles The smarter hard working ones:)