Fed up with e-mail scammers, some would-be victims fight back
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PORTLAND, Ore. – It's a story you've likely heard before – somebody falling victim to a Nigerian e-mail scam. These international scams have cost victims millions of hard-earned dollars and become the butt of countless jokes.
We've covered stories of people who lost their fortunes all because of an e-mail promising millions that turned out to be scam.
Fed up with the onslaught of scams, some would-be victims are now finding a way to fight back.
Steve Conrad was looking to sell a box of china, so he posted an ad online. He soon got an offer saying a check was on the way.
"I thought at that point it was sold," Conrad said.
But when the check arrived at his home in Salem, he saw it was clearly a fake. It wasn't written for the right amount; the scammers were trying to get him to cash it and send them the difference.
He didn't fall for the scam, but worries others might.
"Especially the older folks," he said. "This could be a dream come true for somebody. You know, this could be medicine for next week to keep me alive and then they get scammed."
Many of the scammers are in foreign countries, far away from the reach of law enforcement. That's why Conrad and others are turning to a tactic called "scam baiting."
"The theory is if you waste their time, they can't scam somebody else," Conrad explained. "They can't scam somebody else or not as much time to scam other people."
Scam baiters essentially toy with the scammers, trying to irritate or mock them. That, in turn, wastes their time and prevents them from actively running new scams.
Several websites talk about the best ways to bait the scammers. In one example we found, someone convinced a scammer to take pictures with various props.
That inspired us to try our hand at scam baiting. I started by responding to a man named Wilbur Daniels who wrote to us here at KATU.
At first, he said the late Dr. Edward Tomlinson passed away, leaving a large sum of money behind. Daniels wrote that he needed our help to get access to the money.
I wrote back under the pseudonym "Mr. Problem Solvers" and told Daniels that I was a convicted thief who wanted to steal his money. I then told him of my plan turn the Portland bubblers into beer fountains and provide free lattes for every bicyclist.
Not missing a beat, our scammer changed the late doctor's name to "Dr. Edward Solvers" and asked me to move forward with the deal.
I also contacted a scammer going by the name Rubeca Kasalla. Three days after receiving my e-mail, Kasalla declared she wanted to spend the rest of her life with me, Mr. Problem Solvers, and just needed money for a passport.
I told her I would only do it if she wore a clown suit and rode a bicycle built for two. Then we requested a sign of her love.
She agreed, sending us a picture of her hand-written note that said "I love Problem Solvers."
Dozens of e-mails later, both Daniels and Kasalla ended up with nothing but valuable scamming time lost.
Buzz Siler may be the original scam baiter. More than a decade ago, the Portland artist and businessman started answering scam faxes and later ended up taking down four international scam gangs.
"These guys go out and prey on people and they could care less if it's your last dime," Siler said.
Siler helped on an undercover sting where he met with a Nigerian scammer in a Houston hotel room with Secret Service agents listening in.
"They opened the door and had their guns in their hands and had this guy on the floor in what seemed like two seconds," he said.
Ten years later, what does he do with those e-mails and faxes?
"I did my part, so I throw them in the trash," he said.
Secret Service agents here in Portland told us that they don’t recommend scam baiting because there is too much risk involved. Scammers don't know your e-mail address is real until you answer back and then they can harass or intimidate you. They recommend simply deleting e-mails that you think are from scammers.
If you do end up getting caught in a scam, the Secret Service offers advice about what to do on its website.
KATU: Just so you know, many of us detest the "story at 11:00, watch at 11:00, details at 11:00 CRAP! I will never watch your news until you stop all the nonsense. The general public has no real loyalty to a media outlet nor do we care if you think you have an exclusive. We want information and we want it now. WE DO NOT CARE WHERE IT COMES FROM AS LONG AS IT IS ACCURATE, TIMELY, AND WELL REPORTED. Sorry to say most of the stuff you post online is poorly written, lacks detail, and insults the definition of journalism.
Want to read some great scam baiting stories. These guys have been doing Scambaiting for years: http://www.419eater.com/html/trophy_room.htm
I nLOVED the Mac story. That scammer got nailed so badly!
When I read a news story on-line, I want to read the story. I was disappointed and frustrated to read "Watch KATU News at 11 p.m. to see how Kerry fought back against the scammers" and "Check out Kerry's full report tonight on KATU News at 11." That being said, I usually am not disappointed when I read (or watch) news stories on KATU. They are the only news station I watch and read.
I used to get called to folks that fell for some scam and were beside themselves that they actually fell for it. Of course I had to be politically correct while taking their information because my office said they needed a police report. After collecting any written evidence and then leaving all I could was shake my head that normal folk would fall for this crap - greed!!!
The best one that I ever did was to forward the scam emails to my friends who all agreed to try this and we all replied to the scammer at the same time. Then we switched emails and answered each others emails and the scammer was so confused trying to keep track of us that after a month of getting jacked around he finally gave up.
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This works really well.
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I also forward the emails on to the provider which is most off Yahoo. Yahoo has this really long complex way of reporting scam emails and I don't waste my time with Yahoo emails and just block them on my server.
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If you get a scam email from a gmail address just forward the whole email including full headers to abuse@gmail.com and they will terminate the email account. The same goes for .msn, live.com, hotmail, googlemail and others. Just add abuse@ to the front of the domain and it will go to the abuse department.
@RalphCramden....I've used the block method and some of the addresses I've blocked keep coming back
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They are hacked addresses which is why they get through.
 @RalphCramden ~  Your "scam of the scammer" sounds like it was fun - for everybody except the scammer, of course..!  :-)
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In re "abuse@", that's good info to know ~ Thanks! Â :-)
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Just look at the headers and there are several addresses there. One is the senders address, the other is the reply too address. Both are used by the scammer and experienced scammers have both different address in case the email gets shut down.
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Then in the body of the email there is often another email address.
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Send the abuse report to all domains in one email. Don't forget to add the headers as they can't do much without it.
Personally I like to trace there Ip Addresses, and then use there real names that appear on the servers..it is amazing at how fast it ends after doing that lol.
 @lee986321 I let Comcast track these skel's down by just forwarding the e-mail to their tech's - they are incredible and have more time than I do...
I have bated them for years just for sport with my SPAM yahoo.com email that I use only for stuff I really don't care about. It's great sport....
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Junk email accounts is all Yahoo is good for.
WOW after at least 12 years KATU finally figured out there's people out there baiting scammers.   Talk about up to date eh?
@Hiker123 Ha Ha! I was going to say the same thing as it was quite a long time ago that I enjoyed reading the trophy room in the 419eater.com site that @SerenityWowz mentions.
Here is another tip.........Always take the prepaid postage envelopes out of the junk mail and mail them back to the source. This will keep our post offices in business and the junk mailers must pay return postage.
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Not only do they have to pay return postage, it is now over $0.65 per prepaid envelope. When I get magazines I empty them out the first thing and put them in the outgoing mail.
 @RalphCramden  @special effects It's more fun if you tape those pre-paid's to a box of rocks.
 @WildRedHairedWoman    @special effectsÂ
The cost is still $0.65 to the company. I have talked to the local postmaster about this cause I thought about doing the same thing.
So Prince Nobugongo won't be sending me one of his virgin daughters?
 @Phuzz ~  Awww... poor Phuzz..!   ...chuckle, chuckle...  :-)
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 @SerenityWowz What a hoot!!