No background check required: Sex offender refs kids' sports
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GRESHAM, Ore. – Parents were surprised to learn that a sex offender was refereeing children's games in the Portland area after he was convicted of having sex with a young teen.
Many parents think someone is doing background checks on the referees who work with their kids, but that's not always happening.
In January, Stanley Washington refereed 12-year-old girls at a tournament at Centennial High School, but a law enforcement officer in the audience spotted him and recognized him as a sex offender.
Washington pleaded guilty in 1993 to Rape Two with a girl under 14. He was 36 years old. He did not get jail time at first but ended up with violations and warrants for things like not doing his sex offender treatment and moving without re-registering.
They were violations that led to jail time in 2000, 2005 and 2009.
Now, he's off probation, and because he's not considered predatory, he is allowed to be around children.
But that's not enough for Marci Spanier, whose daughter was playing on one of the girls' teams. She is adamant that sex offenders shouldn't be refereeing children's games and she sees a risk with sex offenders in a position of control over children.
"Go down the hall – you've got a referee who is an authoritative figure – you know, (he could say) 'Hey, come here, let me give you a couple tips on your game.' It's not right," she said.
How did Washington end up on the court with kids? KATU News checked with the organization that hired him for the girls' tournament, Oregon Prep Basketball, an independent group running tournaments in Oregon, Washington and Idaho.
Robby Fenk said he was looking for extra referees to cover games, and Washington called him to fill in.
He said he did not know Washington and did not know he was a sex offender. But Washington told him he had refereed around town in the past.
He'd worked for groups like HoopSource, Portland Basketball and the Portland Basketball Officials Association.
Fenk said he neither has the time nor the money to do background checks.
"That's all we can do. That's all everybody's going to do," he said. "And it's never going to change unless a law is implemented to us that we have to have background checks."
Some children's sports officials do go through checks.
"If it's any kind of sexual crime, then we don't want them around our kids," said Tom Welter, the executive director of the Oregon School Activities Association, certifying officials for high school sports in Oregon.
They do background checks every year and kick out people who don't pass.
"If the criminal conviction history check would not allow them to obtain a teaching license and teach in one of our member schools, we will not give them an officiating license to officiate," Welter said.
But elementary and middle school kids do not have an organization like OSAA and do not have that same protection. There is no law that requires groups doing kids sports to do criminal background checks.
Many groups do not, including HoopSource and Portland Basketball, and people like Stanley Washington can slip through.
"Anybody could get hooked up with anybody at any time," said Fenk. "I mean, you could be on probation, you could be a fugitive – if you're a basketball guy, and call any of our groups on some special weekends, you're going to be able to get referee jobs."
No one answered at the house where Washington has stayed. But he called KATU News. He said he was dating the girl he pleaded guilty to raping when he was 36 and she was under 14, and he said he was a 'victim of circumstances." He believes he's not dangerous, adding he needs to work and it's hard for people with his kind of record to find jobs.
Parents like Marci Spanier would like to see background checks and a law, if necessary, to keep sex offenders away from children's sports.
"If you're going to charge a few more dollars to keep our kids safe, it's worth it," she said. "Why take that risk? Why take that one chance that something could happen to a child and scar that child for life? It's not worth it."
If you are concerned about your kids' referees, you can ask the organization for their names and check to see if those referees are registered with the OSAA. If so, they've had a background check.
You can also look for the OSAA patch on the official's shirt with the current year.
cyo and Sister Krista have a warped view of how things should be run, If a coach runs up the score in a game Krista is all over the coach and they have to have an extensive "interview" with her. In her opinion she is the queen of the Cyo organization and does in my opinion favor the west side schools as far as repremanding goes. She is directly responsable for the running of the organization and sorely lacks in judgrment as to who should be working with the kids. The coaches have to take a backgroung check and she sees fit to not do the same for the refs? She might wear the habit but she aint no saint!!!!
OSU- 4H does not do background checks on volunteers until an adult volunteers for a third time per year. Of course all you child predators already knew that. Learned that one the hard way when my nine year old daughter was put in a inflatable boat last summer with a 51 year old convicted sex offender. His crime you want to know??? molesting a child under the age of 13. Policies need to change. Parents stop feeling so "safe"
The fact that he thinks he was "dating" the under-14-year-old shows he is unrepentant, doesn't see how the "relationship" was wrong, and that he is very immature emotionally.
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He should under no circumstances be coaching girls basketball.
Did I read that correctly? Â He was 36 and she was under 14, AND the "victim of circumstances"?
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I noticed that this story mentioned that he was working as a referee for a team consisting of 12 year old girls "but" an officer in the stands, recognized him.
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Does this mean he is STILL working? Â If so, and if he's able, I as a parent, would take my kid off the team, and urge the other parents to do the same.
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When offering to be a chaperone on a field trip, I had to go through a background check, and I was only with the school for one day! Â How the district could let something like this just slip, is stupidity on their part. Â
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And for this man who has a reputation with young girls, have the gall to come back and work with them, just goes to show that he is still lacking in poor judgement. Â This man obviously has urges in the back of his mind, because if he was remorseful, he'd realize the stigma attached to this ludicrous arrangement, and find a job elsewhere. Â He's not reformed. Â He's just soothing his inclinations for such behavior by circumstances that got him there in the first place. Â He's not a victim of them. Â He's a perpetrator of them!
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So he was "dating the girl" who was 12, or 13, but NOT yet 14; and he was 36. Â Old enough to be her daddy. Â And he sees no problem with it? Â OK...then he IS a sex offender. Â NOT a victim of circumstance. Â I can see the gray area if he was, say, 16 and she was not quite 14. Â Or if he was 17. Â But when you are 36? Â This guy would worry me too! Â
Don't sign your kids up for any sport or activity unless they show you, the parent, PROOF, they are an organization that is SERIOUS about protecting your child - from predatory sex offenders - just like this one. Stanley Washington.Â
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Suspect everyone. It's your kid, after all. Suspect everyone put in close contact with your child - in a paid or voluntary capacity. Demand to see proof they actually do background checks of all volunteers and paid personnel who have access to and are in close contact with your kids.Â
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They are YOUR kids. Don't rely on your "belief refs or coaches are being background checked - demand to see proof that is happening.Â
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And one has to wonder how and why Gresham got it's reputation......compared to  other area of Portland, Gresham is one of  the cheapest place to live.... and  sure there are a lot of trailer parks...not to mention all adult book stores and strip bars that are in Gresham...but now sex offenders on kid's basketball teams and bigots selling cupcakes. Great place to bring up a family!!!!
We have to have a background check to buy a gun but no background check for people who are around kids?
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While I fully support any action taken in an attempt to protect minors from sexual preditors, the Oregon (and, arguably the term overall) definition and requirements for sex offender registration make the label overall akin to the label of 'organic' or 'sale'.Â
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It looks good, and elicits an emotional response, but in reality has little informative value.Â
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The list of convictions that require sex offender registration in OR can be found in ORS 181.594
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5)Sex crime means:
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(a)Rape in any degree;
(b)Sodomy in any degree;
(c)Unlawful sexual penetration in any degree;
(d)Sexual abuse in any degree;
(e)Incest with a child victim;
(f)Using a child in a display of sexually explicit conduct;
(g)Encouraging child sexual abuse in any degree;
(h)Transporting child pornography into the state;
(i)Paying for viewing a childs sexually explicit conduct;
(j)Compelling prostitution;
(k)Promoting prostitution;
(L)Kidnapping in the first degree if the victim was under 18 years of age;
(m)Contributing to the sexual delinquency of a minor;
(n)Sexual misconduct if the offender is at least 18 years of age;
(o)Possession of materials depicting sexually explicit conduct of a child in the first degree;
(p)Kidnapping in the second degree if the victim was under 18 years of age, except by a parent or by a person found to be within the jurisdiction of the juvenile court;
(q)Online sexual corruption of a child in any degree if the offender reasonably believed the child to be more than five years younger than the offender;
(r)Sexual assault of an animal;
(s)Any attempt to commit any of the crimes set forth in paragraphs (a) to (r) of this subsection;
(t)Burglary, when committed with intent to commit any of the offenses listed in paragraphs (a) to (r) or (u) of this subsection;Â or
(u)Public indecency or private indecency, if the person has a prior conviction for a crime listed in this subsection.
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One also has to consider the gender disparity between men and women when it comes to convictions that would require sex offender registration. There's also the question of the type of offense, and the question if the offender is truly a threat or if this is just the next chapter in the scarlet letter of the 21st century.Â
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A paper published by the DOJ that is a pretty good read on the subject of effectiveness of sex offender registration programs; Â Â https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/231989.pdf
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"2. However, there was no significant decline in the six year period after 1999, which was the year that South Carolina implemented its online sex offender registry, indicating that online notification did not influence general deterrence of adult sex crimes.Â
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3. Across a mean follow-up of 8.4 years, 490 (8%) of registered sex offenders had new sex crime charges and 299 (4%) offenders had new sex crime convictions. Registered sex offenders were not less likely to recidivate than non-registered sex offenders."
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lets all say stuff like..."if it was a woman ref doing boys it would be cool! especially if she was hot"!
 @Bill Preston I believe you are the first--and hopefully only--one to say that.
If the organizers of the sport or activity do not care enough to safeguard our children with staff background checks then why do parents let their kids participate? Even in this day and age, having sex offenders of any kind in an authority position over children is not acceptable. If these administrators cry that it's just too hard to ensure quality and safety then we don't need to have that activity...at all.Â
Why do the organizers think that hiring blindly is permissable? It's not the June Cleaver yesteryear world we live in. Who is accountable? Part of the blame falls on the parents for being so blindly in love with sports that they just don't care who's coaching.
CASTRATE HIM....AND THE ONE WHO DID NOT PUT HIM IN JAIL THE FIRST TIME.....
 @Glenn Pierce Sorry, darlin', we don't do that in this country. You might want to check out which countries do and keep your options open.Â
 @Shelly Stow  @Glenn Pierce Thanks to liberal laws that allow people to get out of jail after hammering their grandmothers to death, they can now go out and ambush firefighters with illegally-acquired guns.Your way is obviously much better. Sweetpea.
 @englishdaisy One thing you said bears responding to: if you can produce anything at all, any study or follow-up report or statistical analysis that shows a 100% recidivism of sexual offenses, please share it.
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What I have actually witnessed is this: many, many people on the sex offender registry who are good people, good parents, good neighbors, and good citizens who are leading good and decent lives in spite of the impediments they face;
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Many, many individuals who are ex-victims of childhood sexual abuse, ranging in age from still children through teens through my age through my mother's age, and not a single one of them was molested by someone they didn't know or someone who was on a sex offender registry; every single one was molested by a family member or a playmate or a boyfriend or someone else of closeness and importance in their lives.Â
 @Shelly Stow  @Playanekes ...shelly - ...:all the evidence shows" - translates to you being one of those blind lemmings - being lead around to belief only what you are told. By players in political parties and partisan factions that just loveeeee to latch onto blind lemmings just like you - Troubling, hon. How about YOU opining about what you actually witness and the common sense practicality of returning offenders out onto our streets - post haste - to return to their predatory ways 100 percent of the time. How about being common-sensical about the fact Oregon does not care if they re-offend with someone else's innocent vulnerable child....Â
 @Playanekes I don't have "a way." I wish I did. I grieve every day over innocent children who are harmed-- those who are being physically, emotionally and sexually abused; those who are bullied and harassed, and that includes the children of those on the registry. I wish I knew the answer and could wave a wand.  I read a lot; I research a lot; all I know for certain is that what we are doing isn't working and seems to hold little hope for working. For the sake of all children, we must find something that will. Even though I know it is a liberal, bleeding-heart thing to say, all the evidence suggests that a system based on retaliation and punishment after the fact will never work. Maybe as a nation we aren't ready to move beyond that yet, but for the sake of all of us, I hope we find something, and soon.Â
Blessings to you and your family.
There is quite a range of crimes that will get you labeled and registered as a sex offender and not all of them are preditory and go after 4 year olds. I know of a case where an 18 year old boy got caught having a 14 year old girl give him oral sex. He is now in the same category as the guy who abducts, rapes and kills a 4 year old. Is that fair. I don't think so. We have no idea what got this referee labeled as a sex offender. He could have had sex with a very willing 17 year 11 month year of girl when he was 21 years old. Should he have to wear identifying clothing like the Nazis had the Jews and homosexual wear so that could not have anonimity and could be harrassed for the rest of their lives. Perhaps they should have background checks but I'm not sure this should disqualify him for refereeing jobs.Â
Hey, they don't require background checks of people who buy guns (and subsequently kill people) at gun shows or privately (and apparently the NRA and others don't want this either) , so what's the big deal with requiring background checks for basketball referees (sarcasm fully intended)!! I hope people get the message.
 @peckishpete Guns aren't generally rapists and child molesters.
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 @peckishpete Pete, I agree that our current system does not work, for a myriad of reasons, and needs a serious overhaul, and I agree that Mr. Washington should be able to keep this job as log as it is legal for him to do so, but he pleaded guilty to Rape 2--which I imagine is statutory--of girls younger than 14, so we do know what he did, or at least what he said he did.
There is a growing community of sex offenders in this country. Society is not prepared for it IMHO. But if society wants to tout the humanity of its justice system, and unconventional treatment for offenders then society is going to have to compromise in how they deal with these people who are integrating into society. If we insist that they be placed back into society, then shut the doors of opportunities for them to make a living then we are putting them between a rock and a hard place.
Don't take my point here as justifying this specific situation, I am not. I am merely pointing out that voters have decided how they want corrections to operate, what level they want it funded and have done so in a short sighted manner. These people walk among us every day. If we insist they be let loose in society then we should be prepared to deal with the results. Note that the condition of his release was set based on the opinion of 'experts' who have been put in position at the behest of society to make these kinds of decisions. In other words, we are getting what we are asking for.
I will also add that being a long time coach and board member of youth sports and attending countless youth sporting events, that these refs are never in the presence of the kids unobserved. They arrive at the court at game time, and leave the court when its over. I believe the odds that this person would use the venue to re- offend to be astronomical.
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Some good points made, Jack. When it comes to allocating money to address the issue of child sexual abuse, I very much fear, based on what research tells us and the abysmal failure of the registry system after twenty years, that every penny put into the current system is as useful as pouring it down a rabbit hole.Â
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All research in the field and all experts in the field support a system that:
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Recognizes that the current system, designed to focus on the "stranger danger" model and the high-recidivism myth, is in error and does not and will never address child sexual abuse;
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Retains a registry system after court-ordered punishment is ended that tracks only those deemed a community threat using a risk-based, not an offense based, system and that is a law-enforcement only, not a public, registry;
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Focuses on prevention, awareness, and education programs in the schools and communities;
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Offers victim and family services and counseling, including options for family reunification where it is desired by all involved;
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Offers actual and meaningful reentry and rehabilitation programs and counseling for those who have offended.
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Liberal politicians let convicted bad guys go, so those of us who have never been arrested for anything have to spend money doing background checks, fees, fingerprinting and all that nonsense just to volunteer at my kid's school.They enable predators and punish society.
 @Playanekes Spot on.Â
how the hell can he not be considered predatory?
Nothing like having a stoned referee call games !
I have no idea why parents serve their little daughters to these child rapists on a silver platter...
 @August100 Liberals like you don't let conservatives like me crucify the guy in the prison courtyard to show all of the rest of the inmates what happens to convicted sex offenders if they're ever caught offending again.My daughter, incidentally, knows how to cripple a man with her foot, tooth or nail if she's ever attacked, instead of invoking submissiveness and prayer. Her nickname is Newt. We're not raising a victim like most pacifist parents do.
   @August100 Excellent. Since most sexual abuse against children comes from those they know, trust, and love, you need to also teach her what more subtle forms of sexual offending look like and how to deal with those. The random attack by the stranger on the street is extremely rare, while abuse by family members, peers, and authority figures in their lives is not.
 @August100 But not little boys? August, if you feel strongly about this issue, then get involved. Do your local schools have programs in place teaching age-appropriate awareness and prevention of sexual abuse? If not, lobby your school board. Does your community offer services for victims of sexual crime? If so, volunteer; if not, lobby your town council. Don't just make noise when what you propose wouldn't address the problem. If you could put to death not just the rapists but all on registries, from ages nine to ninety, the percentage of sexual crime against children wouldn't change by even a fraction of a percentage point nor would the number of victims, today's or tomorrow's.
 @Shelly Stow Raping little girls SHOULD BE a death penalty offense; how's that?
 @August100 Hmmm, are you responding to the wrong comment? I didn't say anything about treatment in my comment to you.
 @Shelly Stow I'm the last person in the world who is for that ridiculous Psycho-Wacko treatment nonsense for every human issue....
WOW, all the people that scream for background checks for guns, and yet we don't require a check for the people we let around our children? Seems a little screwed up here.Â
At least he's an actual "sex offender".  I think it's ridiculous that you get tagged as a sex offender for urinating in public.
 @Tardacus ORS 163.465: PUBLIC INDECENCY:
(1) A person commits the crime of public indecency if while in, or in view of, a public place the person performs: (a) An act of sexual intercourse; (b) An act of deviate sexual intercourse; or (c) An act of exposing the genitals of the person with the intent of arousing the sexual desire of the person or another person. (2)(a) Public Indecency is a Class A misdemeanor.
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Notice how there's nothing in that ORS about public urination, because it isn't a sex offense. People are not forced to register as sex offenders in Oregon for urinating in public. At worst, you'd get a cite for Offensive Littering, which is not a sex crime. Even if you had an actual conviction for Public Indecency, which IS a sex crime, you get one freebie. People only have to register as sex offenders for Public Indecency in Oregon when they have two or more Public Indecency convictions.Â
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That said, there are plenty of sex offenders out there claiming to have been charged with sex crimes because they were peeing in public. It's a great way to minimize their responsibility for their sex crimes while engendering other people's sympathy.
 @StealthActivist You've never sat in court an observed the minor offences that can and will get you required to sign up as a sex offender? It's a lot more than simply "PUBLIC INDECENCY," many of them depending on the judge, will get you labelled for life the first time.
 @axpman  @StealthActivist None of those minor offenses involve urinating in public though.
 @StealthActivist  @Tardacus Oregon appears to have more sense in that regard than some other states. An article in The Economist says that you could be labeled a 'sex offender' in at least 13 states for public urination.
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"A report by Sarah Tofte of Human Rights Watch, a pressure group, found that at least five states required men to register if they were caught visiting prostitutes. At least 13 required it for urinating in public (in two of which, only if a child was present). No fewer than 29 states required registration for teenagers who had consensual sex with another teenager. And 32 states registered flashers and streakers."
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 @Mr. Carbon Footprint Sure; what point would you like made?
However, when it comes to anything of substance, an opinion backed by research is a fact; an opinion backed by nothing is just an opinion.
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 @Shelly Stow  @StealthActivist Are you (or anyone else here) capable of making a point without being a google-cut-and-paste genius?
Just saying....
 @StealthActivist You're right; link doesn't work; sorry; just Google any of the key words; I got quite a few hits when I Googled "sex offender registration required for public urination."
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Yes, a complete re-vamping of the entire system is strongly needed.
 @Shelly Stow  @Tardacus The link you posted didn't work, but if this is true, it's a shame and really suggests a uniform, sensible guideline for all states. People convicted of low-level sex offenses like prostitution or consensual sex with peer-aged "victims" should have the opportunity to seek relief from registration, if required to register at all.
I'm guessing the THC levels at the time of booking were quite high !
 @Rob C 503 An understatement for sure.
This is a bit ridiculous and a classic hysterical overreaction. What's he going to do....molest some kid during a game? Sex Offenders need anonymity.....which this guy does NOT have while he is officiating. It's the kids on the other side of town (where he is not known) that should be on the lookout for this guy.....
 @Jenni Jenz Animals like this need a bullet to the head. Lets make sure they NEVER harm another child.
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 @Reeldeal101  @Jenni Jenz  He wouldn't do in on the basketball court. He would instead make himself a trusted figure to the kids and their parents, then eventually isolate his victim of choice. Child molesters typically spend days, weeks, and even months grooming their victims.Â
 @StealthActivist  @Shelly Stow  @Reeldeal101 My ex-step dad who went back to his native Latvia is a convicted rapist who confessed to several they didn't even know about as a condition of his parole.People just really have no idea. He's a Christian now, and Christians can't commit suicide, and he's no threat now that he's not being tortured by his elders every day, but I asked him one time what he thought about capital punishment for sex offenders and he said when he got out of prison and called his brother, his brother shot himself while he was on the phone. If one of his victims ever shows up at his door and shoots him, he'll understand, but, I'd testify in court that his days of hurting people or animals is behind him.I looked him up and found out he's a prominent ballet dancer. Uh..what?! Turns out he was tortured by relatives for being a ballet dancer when he was a boy, which was a passion he hid from everybody his entire adult life.
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Shelly Stow: You are correct, although you'd never know it from watching the media.. Most sex offenders have pretty low rates of recidivism. This is especially true of incest offenders, and those who have completed sex offender treatment programs and aftercare.Â
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The offender in this story however failed to engage in his treatment program, and apparently screwed up his probation enough to get warrants and be incarcerated at least three times. Given the age difference between him (age 36) and his victim, a "girl under 14," it's reasonable to believe he's at elevated risk when around any child.
 @Reeldeal101  @StealthActivist But what you are forgetting, both of you, is that those who sexually abuse children, and they were almost always children in their families or inner circles, once apprehended and forced to deal with the consequences, rarely re-offend. Even though not all abuse is with family members, this is called incest abuse, and it has the lowest of all sex-offender category repeat rates with the exception of juveniles.
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And incidentally, studies are showing that those consequences don't have to be public to be just as effective. In fact, public registry and public notification produces consequences associated with less community safety rather than more.
 @StealthActivist   I agree with you.
 @Jenni Jenz Obviously he's not going to molest some kid during a game. But it's a great place to start grooming kids (and their parents), building their trust, etc., until you can isolate the kid of your choice and do what you want. No adult convicted of a sex offense against a child should be working with children. That's like putting an alcoholic to work serving mixed drinks. No matter how long he's been "clean & sober," he is always at risk of "relapse." And the possible cost to the kids is just too high.Â
 @StealthActivist  @Jenni Jenz I would disagree with this if he had been convicted of this offense as a teen, but since he offended as an adult, I have to agree with Stealth on this one.
@Jenni Jenz Wow, I am speechless .. these people, people who rape and or molest children, they are the most dangerous criminals out there and you want to hide them and let them work with children in an environment where they have access to locker rooms and are in a position of authority ? You need to do some research on child sex crimes .. your ignorance is a pretty dangerous thing in itself .
 @JenW  Stop insulting other people.  READ the comment and UNDERSTAND it before engaging your fingers and responding.
@JenW .....I think we have a misunderstanding. Did you see anywhere in my post that we hide them?? NO ! I said identify and monitor !
 @Rob C 503 You are misunderstanding, and this as well. She isn't accusing you of wanting to hide offenders; she is accusing Jenni Jenz, which is ironic because she was misunderstanding what J.J. was saying, just as you did.
And don't insult me with having ignorance because you mis-read and misunderstood my post
@Jenni Jenz ......criminals need anonymity??? Are you serious..???? They need to be identified and monitored to protect society, Anonymity??? That's just ridiculous. Criminals cannot be hidden and society protected.
 @Rob C 503  @Jenni I think you misunderstand; it seems to me that she means they need anonymity in order to commit an offense. As a referee, it is highly unlikely he would have occasion to be secluded with a player.
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Now, I do question her comment about the kids on the other side of town where he is not known. This is totally contradicted by the fact that virtually all sexual crime against children is committed by those that they know very well, those who have no record or registration for a previous offense, specifically family members, peers, and others in their lives on a regular and close basis.
@Shelly Stow @Rob C 503 @Jenni Thank you Ms. Stow! I've heard the same thing! That and their recidivism rates are VERY low. My assumption is that a majority of these people are harmless to children.
 @Rob C 503  @Jenni Rob, I agree but disagree.  I think it is the constant badgering and, "Monitoring" that forces many of these guys to re-offend in some cases. Especially the younger ones.  Yes, some of them probably would anyways, but look at this from a different point of view......Assume you are hiding from someone and another person keeps pointing your hiding spots out to them.... Probably make you pretty angry after a while huh?  Many of these guys just want to be left alone.  I think that people should mind their own business and stay out of EVERYONE else's business.. PERIOD!  Of course that is never going to happen in today's society because there are far too many people that are far more concerned about telling everyone what to do to make THEM happy than they are about actually doing ANYTHING for the good of ALL. My .02.
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 @Rob C 503  @Jenni @Rob C - I don't think that Jenni Jenz was saying that sex offenders should be given anonymity. She's saying that they won't commit a sex crime on the basketball court because they need anonymity to commit the crime. That said, if a person isn't allowed to teach a kid in our schools, they shouldn't be allowed to have a position of authority over any child, whether it's out in the open or not.Â