Ore. among states looking to enact no drone zone

HELENA, Mont. (AP) - Lawmakers in at least 11 states are looking at plans to restrict the use of drones over their skies amid concerns the unmanned aerial vehicles could be exploited to spy on Americans.
The American Civil Liberties Union says state legislators are proposing various restrictions on local authorities' use of the technology.
Concerns mounted after the Federal Aviation Administration began establishing safety standards for civilian drones, which are becoming increasingly affordable and small in size.
Some police agencies have said the drones could be used for surveillance of suspects, search and rescue operations, and gathering details on damage caused by natural disasters.
In Montana, a libertarian-minded state that doesn't even let police use remote cameras to issue traffic tickets, Democrats and Republicans are banding together to back multiple proposals restricting drone use. They say drones, most often associated with overseas wars, aren't welcome in Big Sky Country.
"I do not think our citizens would want cameras to fly overhead and collect data on our lives," Republican state Sen. Matthew Rosendale told a legislative panel on Tuesday.
Rosendale is sponsoring a measure that would only let law enforcement use drones with a search warrant, and would make it illegal for private citizens to spy on neighbors with drones.
The full Montana Senate endorsed a somewhat broader measure Tuesday that bans information collected by drones from being used in court. It also would bar local and state government ownership of drones equipped with weapons, such as stunning devices.
The ACLU said the states won't be able to stop federal agencies or border agents from using drones. But the Montana ban would not allow local police to use criminal information collected by federal drones that may be handed over in cooperative investigations.
The drones could be wrongly used to hover over someone's property and gather information, opponents said.
"The use of drones across the country has become a great threat to our personal privacy," said ACLU of Montana policy director Niki Zupanic. "The door is wide open for intrusions into our personal private space."
Other state legislatures looking at the issue include California, Oregon, Texas, Nebraska, Missouri, North Dakota, Florida, Virginia, Maine and Oklahoma.
A Missouri House committee looked at a bill Tuesday that would outlaw the use of unmanned aircraft to conduct surveillance on individuals or property, providing an exclusion for police working with a search warrant. It drew support from agricultural groups and civil liberties advocates.
"It's important for us to prevent Missouri from sliding into a police-type state," said Republican Rep. Casey Guernsey of Bethany.
A North Dakota lawmaker introduced a similar bill in January following the 2011 arrest of a Lakota farmer during a 16-hour standoff with police. A drone was used to help a SWAT team apprehend Rodney Brossart.
Its use was upheld by state courts, but the sponsor of the North Dakota bill, Rep. Rick Becker of Bismarck, said safeguards should be put into place to make sure the practice isn't abused.
Last year, Seattle police received approval from the Federal Aviation Administration to train people to operate drones for use in investigations, search-and-rescue operations and natural disasters. Residents and the ACLU called on city officials to tightly regulate the information that can be collected by drones, which are not in use yet.
In Alameda County, Calif., the sheriff's office faced backlash late last year after announcing plans to use drones to help find fugitives and assist with search and rescue operations.
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David A. Lieb contributed to this report from Jefferson City, Mo.
Copyright 2013 The Associated Press.
You read all these comments and 95% of the people here believe this is targeting government agentcies.
Research Oregon senate bill 71 yourself. This has nothing to do with the governemnts drones although it will be sold that way to get you on board. This is about YOUR right to own an RC vehicle that is capable of capturing pictures.
Watch the lawmakers goof this legislation up and outlaw RC planes (which can have cameras mounted on them).
This comment is mainly just a single statement and is not meant to start a broad debate. Anyone remember when The Patriot Act was started and Homeland Security was given their initial power under Bush? People freaked out about individual rights. Obama promised hope and change and transparency.Â
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Here we are 5 years later and now we have to worry about drones over our states and a recently released policy on under what conditions our country can kill its own citizens. Personally, I worry about two things.Â
What is going to happen next? What has already happened that we don't know about?
 @the real snoop Under the MDAA US Citizens can be siezed and held indefinately without charges.
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion for gain in power and/or control.
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It seems as though the federal government has become something of a terrorist.  Hopefully people will rid themselves of this rampant plague of apathy, that has struck so many genuinly good people and fight for what in my opinion is worth risking our lives for, our secular founding documents - the Constitution.
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I think we are at a critical point in our country's history, a tipping point; many have no idea what its like to live in a country where your rights do not exist - our ancestors did, we have to see through their eyes and learn from their mistakes or continue the predictable cycle of a republic's place in trasitions from political systems; bondage to freedom to apathy only to return to our still warm shackles.
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I'd vote for you if you ran for office.
Lotta good it would do, but still....
@alohan That was very nice of you to say that. Thank you.
I definitely want the use of drones regulated, but since Oregon is also trying to bring aerospace jobs here in part because we have so much empty space to use for drone practice in conjunction with the varied terrain in the state we should be really careful as to what restrictions we place on them.
@knottriel We deserve better jobs than ones served laced with potential unfreedom. I understand how you feel, many share your feelings - its a double edged sword .
Ad this to the fact that our govt can KILL AMERICAN CITIZENS that are SUSPECTED of being terrorists, without any warrant, trial or any ya know, PROOF! Factor in that they are now planning to take away our guns- and the new proposed restrictions are just the beginning- they won't stop there.
I for one am becoming more than a wee bit concerned.
This story & the one linked below added together pretty much scare the crap outta me!
http://www.katu.com/politics/Wyden-senators-demand-president-release-targeted-killing-reasoning-189775551.html
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The "oh so transparent" Â Obama administration has not released any of the details on this despite repeated requests. WTHeck!!!
If you read/follow the Bible, own a gun and don't agree with Obama, you can be considered a domestic terrorist according to Homeland Security- so now I guess they can KILL YOU!
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I believe that we will see increased persecution of those who follow Christ within the next 10 years - and it has already begun! Google "Ken Miller" and read about the minister that is in jail in Vermont for helping a woman and her biological child flee the coutry to avoid a former lesbian lover from gaining custody of the child.
The government can do anything they want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1-eBz8hyoE
This is now history.
Terrorism is completely determined by who is being targeted. I don't want my country, my state, or my neighbors to be a target of activities that inspire fear regardless of who may be responsible for the targeting.
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What is the urge...there is no need...to deploy this kind of weapons/surveillance system in the United States?Â
this will make it illegal to fly your remote plane with a camera mounted on it. this about our rights to use a camera. the government will still be able to use unmanned planes of any size to "spy" on anything they want. This is about you or i flying a RC plane and taking pictures while doing so. you will have to hire a plane or helecopter to get the same pictures you could have gotten with the R.C.Plane. NEXT they will take your rights away to have a helmet cam or dashboard cam or even a cell phone cam. STOP the war on our civil rights.
drone: to talk in a persistently dull or monotonous tone. I thought finally something was being done about the state and local government. Banning Unmanned aerial vehicles is good too.
Why does this not surprise me? How would they know if they had one overhead or not?
 Most radars can't find my all metal Cessna when I'm flying close to the ground... How are they going to find a Fiber Composite stealth aircraft?
 is Oregon still a nuclear bomb free zone? how is that working out? I wonder how many have gone up the Columbia without anyone noticing?
 @Razor1 Depends on how many china launches at us
Because the states have ceded their rights to the federal government the laws they pass will mean nothing. The feds can fly anywhere they want to.
 @RalphCramden If it keeps state/local cops from abusing them it's better than nothing.
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It would be better if the states sent up our F15s to shoot down federal drones.
@RalphCramden --- Too true Ralph.
This just goes along with obama and the White House wanting to take our guns. Â It will be interesting to see if the good old boys, rednecks, use these drones for skeet shooting practice. Â Maybe it will become an Olympic event.
Drones are fine by me, since I have nothing to hide. I like seeing the bad guys go off to their richly deserved fates.Â
@OCJohn --- you just don't get it do you. You probably don't care if your internet or phone is monitored too. After all you have nothing to hide, right. That's all well and good until you say or do something seemingly innocent. Next thing you know SWAT shows up at your house or you receive a summons to appear before a tribunal having to explain why you made unpatriotic statements. Now is the time to nip this in the bud. Rarely do you have an opportunity to stop something like this before it's wide spread. I'm not being paranoid, just wary. Kill without trial of suspected terrorist, per the Justice Dept., using.....drones.
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This has nothing to do with bad guys. It has everything to do with YOUR freedom.
http://www.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/sb0001.dir/sb0071.intro.pdf
I'm sorry folks, that time has already passed. Last summer I heard a mini drone overhead (one small enough to hover and look in a window), after that there was a full sized helocopter , then squad cars roared down the street to kick in a neighbors door. Greetings from the Ministry of Truth.
I hear Pakistan would like to become a no drone zone, too. Them and Yemen.
 @Max Quinn Hotbeds of terrorists. Go figure.
 @TimBurr  @Max Quinn You're the one that wants to use them to spy on people on disability. And black people, of course.
Maybe cities and states should buy Stinger anti air missiles and shoot them down!
So looking into the future, will cities ( first Charlottesville, Va) with Anti-Drone Legislation be sanctuaries for criminals / terrorists? Or perhaps they already are (Portland).
Oregon State Police and DEA have been using Oregon National Guard Helicopters for years to find illegal marijuana crops, what would be the difference between a drone and a helicopter?
 @MadMax64 Drones are cheap(ish), quiet and can be used to spy on the ever "dangerous" white supremacists and gun owners.
@TimBurr @MadMax64 I think we need to curtail the white supremisists and the other outlaws out there. Maybe you'd rather entertain them in YOUR home? Get them before they get you!
 @TimBurr I've never seen a white man. Or a black man for that matter.
Everyone I've ever seen is a shade of brown.
 @Mikey  I'm of Irish descent, so I'm a bit more pink than brown.
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But, but, but, but Obama won't be able to see if we're paying our taxes so he can give it away to people that don't want to work.
I wonder when Oregon will secede from the Union?
@Rob C 503  When a conservative R becomes POTUS........ :)
So in Oregon, drones are bad but Obamacare is good. Both are a form of oppression but liberals can't think past the tip of their noses to see the comparisons.
@TimBurr How is Obamacare a form of oppression again?
 @Oregon7812  @TimBurr When the government forces you to buy a product you don't want.... that sounds like oppression to me.
@Razor1 @knottriel @TimBurr I don't want to pay anything for the military, but I have to pay for it through my taxes. Is that oppression as well? Taxes are a forced mandate and are oppressive. The laws of the land are designed to prevent me from doing anything I want. That's oppressive. It's amazing to me how we are allowed to do anything under the shadow of such tyranny.
 @knottriel  @Oregon7812  @TimBurr Auto insurance is not mandated. If you want to drive a car you are required to have insurance. You're not forced to buy it even if you don't own a car.
Obamacare is a forced mandate. That's oppressive.
 @Oregon7812 Have a nice trip.
Buying access to healthcare. How oppressive. I'm moving to North Korea!
 @Razor1  @Oregon7812  @TimBurr You mean like car insurance?
 @Oregon7812  @TimBurr For your edification and for starters, the IRS will require Americans to disclose their personal health ID information starting in 2014.
Why don't you stay on topic and explain why you think Obamacare is a form of oppression, instead of reverting to the tired "you're a sheep" line.
 @Oregon7812  @TimBurr Off subject but, one step closer to Serv(f)itude
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 @Oregon7812  @TimBurr Sheep are hard to teach. Never mind.
@TimBurr What's oppressive about that?