College student's turtle project takes dark twist
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CLEMSON, S.C. (AP) - Clemson University student Nathan Weaver set out to determine how to help turtles cross the road. He ended up getting a glimpse into the dark souls of some humans.
Weaver put a realistic rubber turtle in the middle of a lane on a busy road near campus. Then he got out of the way and watched over the next hour as seven drivers swerved and deliberately ran over the animal. Several more apparently tried to hit it but missed.
"I've heard of people and from friends who knew people that ran over turtles. But to see it out here like this was a bit shocking," said Weaver, a 22-year-old senior in Clemson's School of Agricultural, Forest and Environmental Sciences.
To seasoned researchers, the practice wasn't surprising.
The number of box turtles is in slow decline, and one big reason is that many wind up as roadkill while crossing the asphalt, a slow-and-steady trip that can take several minutes.
Sometimes humans feel a need to prove they are the dominant species on this planet by taking a two-ton metal vehicle and squishing a defenseless creature under the tires, said Hal Herzog, a Western Carolina University psychology professor.
"They aren't thinking, really. It is not something people think about. It just seems fun at the time," Herzog said. "It is the dark side of human nature."
Herzog asked a class of about 110 students getting ready to take a final whether they had intentionally run over a turtle, or been in a car with someone who did. Thirty-four students raised their hands, about two-thirds of them male, said Herzog, author of a book about humans' relationships with animals, called "Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat."
Weaver, who became interested in animals and conservation through the Boy Scouts and TV's "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin, wants to figure out the best way to get turtles safely across the road and keep the population from dwindling further.
Among the possible solutions: turtle underpasses or an education campaign aimed at teenagers on why drivers shouldn't mow turtles down.
The first time Weaver went out to collect data on turtles, he chose a spot down the road from a big apartment complex that caters to students. He counted 267 vehicles that passed by, seven of them intentionally hitting his rubber reptile.
He went back out about a week later, choosing a road in a more residential area. He followed the same procedure, putting the fake turtle in the middle of the lane, facing the far side of the road, as if it was early in its journey across. The second of the 50 cars to pass by that day swerved over the center line, its right tires pulverizing the plastic shell.
"Wow! That didn't take long," Weaver said.
Other cars during the hour missed the turtle. But right after his observation period was up, before Weaver could retrieve the model, another car moved to the right to hit the animal as he stood less than 20 feet away.
"One hit in 50 cars is pretty significant when you consider it might take a turtle 10 minutes to cross the road," Weaver said.
Running over turtles even has a place in Southern lore.
In South Carolina author Pat Conroy's semi-autobiographical novel "The Great Santini," a fighter-pilot father squishes turtles during a late-night drive when he thinks his wife and kids are asleep. His wife confronts him, saying: "It takes a mighty brave man to run over turtles."
The father denies it at first, then claims he hits them because they are a road hazard. "It's my only sport when I'm traveling," he says. "My only hobby."
That hobby has been costly to turtles.
It takes a turtle seven or eight years to become mature enough to reproduce, and in that time, it might make several trips across the road to get from one pond to another, looking for food or a place to lay eggs. A female turtle that lives 50 years might lay over 100 eggs, but just two or three are likely to survive to reproduce, said Weaver's professor, Rob Baldwin.
Snakes also get run over deliberately. Baldwin wishes that weren't the case, but he understands, considering the widespread fear and loathing of snakes. But why anyone would want to run over turtles is a mystery to the professor.
"They seem so helpless and cute," he said. "I want to stop and help them. My kids want to stop and help them. My wife will stop and help turtles no matter how much traffic there is on the road. I can't understand the idea why you would swerve to hit something so helpless as a turtle."
Weaver put a realistic rubber turtle in the middle of a lane on a busy road near campus. Then he got out of the way and watched over the next hour as seven drivers swerved and deliberately ran over the animal. Several more apparently tried to hit it but missed.
"I've heard of people and from friends who knew people that ran over turtles. But to see it out here like this was a bit shocking," said Weaver, a 22-year-old senior in Clemson's School of Agricultural, Forest and Environmental Sciences.
To seasoned researchers, the practice wasn't surprising.
The number of box turtles is in slow decline, and one big reason is that many wind up as roadkill while crossing the asphalt, a slow-and-steady trip that can take several minutes.
Sometimes humans feel a need to prove they are the dominant species on this planet by taking a two-ton metal vehicle and squishing a defenseless creature under the tires, said Hal Herzog, a Western Carolina University psychology professor.
"They aren't thinking, really. It is not something people think about. It just seems fun at the time," Herzog said. "It is the dark side of human nature."
Herzog asked a class of about 110 students getting ready to take a final whether they had intentionally run over a turtle, or been in a car with someone who did. Thirty-four students raised their hands, about two-thirds of them male, said Herzog, author of a book about humans' relationships with animals, called "Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat."
Weaver, who became interested in animals and conservation through the Boy Scouts and TV's "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin, wants to figure out the best way to get turtles safely across the road and keep the population from dwindling further.
Among the possible solutions: turtle underpasses or an education campaign aimed at teenagers on why drivers shouldn't mow turtles down.
The first time Weaver went out to collect data on turtles, he chose a spot down the road from a big apartment complex that caters to students. He counted 267 vehicles that passed by, seven of them intentionally hitting his rubber reptile.
He went back out about a week later, choosing a road in a more residential area. He followed the same procedure, putting the fake turtle in the middle of the lane, facing the far side of the road, as if it was early in its journey across. The second of the 50 cars to pass by that day swerved over the center line, its right tires pulverizing the plastic shell.
"Wow! That didn't take long," Weaver said.
Other cars during the hour missed the turtle. But right after his observation period was up, before Weaver could retrieve the model, another car moved to the right to hit the animal as he stood less than 20 feet away.
"One hit in 50 cars is pretty significant when you consider it might take a turtle 10 minutes to cross the road," Weaver said.
Running over turtles even has a place in Southern lore.
In South Carolina author Pat Conroy's semi-autobiographical novel "The Great Santini," a fighter-pilot father squishes turtles during a late-night drive when he thinks his wife and kids are asleep. His wife confronts him, saying: "It takes a mighty brave man to run over turtles."
The father denies it at first, then claims he hits them because they are a road hazard. "It's my only sport when I'm traveling," he says. "My only hobby."
That hobby has been costly to turtles.
It takes a turtle seven or eight years to become mature enough to reproduce, and in that time, it might make several trips across the road to get from one pond to another, looking for food or a place to lay eggs. A female turtle that lives 50 years might lay over 100 eggs, but just two or three are likely to survive to reproduce, said Weaver's professor, Rob Baldwin.
Snakes also get run over deliberately. Baldwin wishes that weren't the case, but he understands, considering the widespread fear and loathing of snakes. But why anyone would want to run over turtles is a mystery to the professor.
"They seem so helpless and cute," he said. "I want to stop and help them. My kids want to stop and help them. My wife will stop and help turtles no matter how much traffic there is on the road. I can't understand the idea why you would swerve to hit something so helpless as a turtle."
No one else thinks it's strange that he is allowed to place objects in the middle of the road to see if drivers will swerve to hit them? "I wonder if people would swerve for a child, I'm gonna throw a dummy out in the middle of the road and watch." - Obviously over-exaggerating...but still. I can imagine someone trying to swerve out of the way of this turtle and hitting another car, or a pedestrian, etc....Sounds like a major lawsuit to me. I would swerve to miss the turtle. Pull over, go pick it up, and throw it in this guys face.
 @mikeyb123 ~  Point well taken..!   Makes me wonder if anybody checked with LE to see how they felt about this "study"...
Why did the turtle cross the road?
 @Pointblank According to this study...To get smashed and laughed at by men.
In Ohio, you would occasionally see turtles crossing the road in the rural/suburban area that I lived in. I'm sure I stopped at least a dozen times to help a turtle cross the road safely in the direction it was headed, rather than chance that it'd be hit by the next car coming down the road.
I had a friend run over a gator in Florida. It was on accident, it ran out infront of us and we never saw it. We felt the big bump we stoped and looked back and saw this gator twiching. That really sucked.
 @dkgiovenco ~ Yeah, I've heard that they (gators) can move surprisingly fast when they want to...  They're not on my list of "preferred cuddly critters", but I certainly respect their right to live, and I wouldn't purposely run over one...I'd be sad if I hit one by accident...  :-(
How do people become so callous and cruel that they intentionally run over something as defenseless as a turtle..?!? Â Â I understand that some people hit them when they're actually trying to AVOID them...but I mean the losers that run over the turtles "just for the fun of it"... Â In my book, they're the same kind of psychos that torture small animals...and some of them "graduate" from there to humans...Â
If I saw one in the road, I'd stop (if safe to do so) and try to get it off the roadway... I like turtles...
You would think that since we're smart enough to create and build cars...we could be smart enough to successfully maneuver them around helpless creatures...oh wait...we are! Some of us are just disrespectful and self serving or possibly even emotionally vacant when we choose to kill non-threatening creatures.
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I wonder if people ever consider that mother nature could just as easily squash us if she actually had "a mind" to do so. We're lucky we have natural disasters as part of cause and effect...instead of negligence or moral lack.
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I think it should be a punishable crime to hit these creatures.
Iâll never forget the time twenty years ago when I ran over a turtle. I was horrified, still am. It's not a pleasant sensation.
I brake for possum.
Did the researchers ever think that the person was trying to avoid the turtle and just wasn't skilled enough to make that happen?
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I have watched people trying to avoid something and hit the object they were trying to avoid.
 @RalphCramden I can't count the number of times I've seen people swerve to avoid something only to hit it nearly dead-on with a tire. If they'd simply stayed where they were in the lane they would have missed it. Most people can't drive for crap, but I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
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Yup. Some actually swerve and hit oncoming vehicles. Some folks should not be driving...8-}
How mean! I would be devastated if I ever hit something even accidentally. I remember being told early on while learning to drive that if it isn't safe to swerve/stop for an animal that I have to be prepared to hit the animal. It hasn't happened, but I dread the idea of being in that situation. I'm sure I will probably automatically react by swerving or stopping and cause a bigger mess. *sigh*
I would stop and move the turtle off of the road if I could. Our culture no longer values life. Small wonder after decades of chipping away at moral-based education, family values, continued streams of violent images from TV and movies . . .
"It takes a mighty brave man to run over turtles." The act of cowards..... Turtles have been around for over 150,000,000 years and it amazes me that in the mere 100,000 or so that modern man has been here, their spieces as a whole have dwindled in numbers tragically. I am a hunter and love eating meat. I do not, however, condone this sort of behavior. Perhaps this is where we should use the bibles "EYE FOR AN EYE" punishment. Okay, so that may be a bit extreme for some to be implimented so here's a real idea. Set up a mock turtle with a trigger mechanism in it and cameras like we have here on some of our traffic signals. When a car hits the turtle you get a picture of the driver and the license plate. Instead of mailing them a citation, a game officer goes and arrests them for poaching and any other laws they may have violated. We do it with a mock deer during hunting season here and officers watching!
I was nowhere near Clemson. Â I swear.
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Our culture of unwarranted violence knows no bounds.
People are jerks. =(