Idaho discovers it's tough to return a mansion

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — The hilltop mansion was a gift to Idaho from potato magnate J.R. Simplot, meant as a residence befitting the governor.
Instead, it's become a money pit, costing more annually to maintain than the median price of a Boise-area home. What's more, Idaho's current governor won't even live there.
Public outcry was on display this week at a hearing over the house's future, where a majority of those who spoke recommended either selling the place or returning it to Simplot's family.
But as Idaho has discovered, it's easier to take a mansion than it is to give it back: The heirs to the self-made billionaire who died in 2008 at age 99 don't want it.
"The family's position hasn't changed," said David Cuoio, a Simplot spokesman, on Wednesday, referring to an earlier statement. "J.R.'s home was given to the state with the understanding that it would be used as the governor's house."
The place, along with its 30-by-50-foot American flag, was erected by Simplot back in 1980 not simply as a residence.
Connected to the Boise Valley floor by a narrow serpentine drive, the 7,100-square-foot home is meant to be noticed.
In real estate parlance, location is everything, but that's also the reason the "the mansion on the hill" sticks in the collective craw of many Idaho residents.
"The governor of Idaho should be a person that the citizens can relate to," said Robert Fries, a Boise resident. "The governor of Idaho should not be placed on a pedestal on a hill, looking down on everyone."
Simplot handed over the keys in 2004, but it took just two years for its lofty perch to become an issue in the 2006 race to be governor: The Democratic candidate promised he'd never live in a house that seemed to elevate a politician above the ranks of the common man.
Current chief executive C.L. "Butch" Otter won, but the Republican also eschewed the mansion, preferring his riverside ranch west of Idaho's capital. There's some personal baggage, too: Otter is Simplot's former son-in-law, having divorced his daughter back in 1993.
And then there's the cost.
Just to maintain the 37-acre grounds, the state will pay about $80,000 this year, part of a cost-sharing agreement with the Simplot family that also covers adjacent property it still owns.
The list goes on: Electricity, $30,000; replacement flags: $5,100; janitors to clean up after rare occasions the house is used for state events: $12,000.
Altogether, the maintenance tab through next June is forecast at $177,400 — $40,000 north of the median Ada County home.
Consequently, a fund to maintain the mansion has dwindled to just $900,000, from $1.5 million in 2005.
"It seems to me to be a waste of money," said Barbara Kemp, another Boise resident.
The mansion isn't without defenders.
Boise resident Michael Kostanecki thinks Idaho should keep it as a tribute to Simplot, who rose from a modest childhood in Declo to found a corporation that supplied McDonald's with its golden french fries.
"For the life of me, I can't believe we would let this symbol of Idaho go to some developer," Kostanecki pleaded Tuesday with the five-member Governor's Housing Committee.
They find themselves in a tight spot: not offending Simplot's family by looking a gift horse in the mouth, while still staunching the cash drain.
The chairman, Republican state Sen. Chuck Winder, prefers keeping it.
Democratic Sen. Les Bock, another member, favors disposal.
For another month, they'll be taking public comment on what to do, but reaching a conclusion everyone can live with still won't be easy, Bock concedes.
"At least we have some input into what we should consider doing next," he said.
Instead, it's become a money pit, costing more annually to maintain than the median price of a Boise-area home. What's more, Idaho's current governor won't even live there.
Public outcry was on display this week at a hearing over the house's future, where a majority of those who spoke recommended either selling the place or returning it to Simplot's family.
But as Idaho has discovered, it's easier to take a mansion than it is to give it back: The heirs to the self-made billionaire who died in 2008 at age 99 don't want it.
"The family's position hasn't changed," said David Cuoio, a Simplot spokesman, on Wednesday, referring to an earlier statement. "J.R.'s home was given to the state with the understanding that it would be used as the governor's house."
The place, along with its 30-by-50-foot American flag, was erected by Simplot back in 1980 not simply as a residence.
Connected to the Boise Valley floor by a narrow serpentine drive, the 7,100-square-foot home is meant to be noticed.
In real estate parlance, location is everything, but that's also the reason the "the mansion on the hill" sticks in the collective craw of many Idaho residents.
"The governor of Idaho should be a person that the citizens can relate to," said Robert Fries, a Boise resident. "The governor of Idaho should not be placed on a pedestal on a hill, looking down on everyone."
Simplot handed over the keys in 2004, but it took just two years for its lofty perch to become an issue in the 2006 race to be governor: The Democratic candidate promised he'd never live in a house that seemed to elevate a politician above the ranks of the common man.
Current chief executive C.L. "Butch" Otter won, but the Republican also eschewed the mansion, preferring his riverside ranch west of Idaho's capital. There's some personal baggage, too: Otter is Simplot's former son-in-law, having divorced his daughter back in 1993.
And then there's the cost.
Just to maintain the 37-acre grounds, the state will pay about $80,000 this year, part of a cost-sharing agreement with the Simplot family that also covers adjacent property it still owns.
The list goes on: Electricity, $30,000; replacement flags: $5,100; janitors to clean up after rare occasions the house is used for state events: $12,000.
Altogether, the maintenance tab through next June is forecast at $177,400 — $40,000 north of the median Ada County home.
Consequently, a fund to maintain the mansion has dwindled to just $900,000, from $1.5 million in 2005.
"It seems to me to be a waste of money," said Barbara Kemp, another Boise resident.
The mansion isn't without defenders.
Boise resident Michael Kostanecki thinks Idaho should keep it as a tribute to Simplot, who rose from a modest childhood in Declo to found a corporation that supplied McDonald's with its golden french fries.
"For the life of me, I can't believe we would let this symbol of Idaho go to some developer," Kostanecki pleaded Tuesday with the five-member Governor's Housing Committee.
They find themselves in a tight spot: not offending Simplot's family by looking a gift horse in the mouth, while still staunching the cash drain.
The chairman, Republican state Sen. Chuck Winder, prefers keeping it.
Democratic Sen. Les Bock, another member, favors disposal.
For another month, they'll be taking public comment on what to do, but reaching a conclusion everyone can live with still won't be easy, Bock concedes.
"At least we have some input into what we should consider doing next," he said.
Have they considered simply selling the property? Perhaps some well-funded non-profit or something, kind of like Maryhill?
See...here's solution to Portland's homeless problem. They can live there AND take care of the place. :-P
"Republican state Sen. Chuck Winder, prefers keeping it."
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Then let HIM pay for it.
This place could house a dozen homeless veterans who are living under bridges in Boise....instead it's kept vacant!
What? No homeless veterans up there in Idaho?
 @WendyTeagarden Homeless veterans are EVERYWHERE in Idaho.....
Then let them move in.
"Idaho discovers it's tough to return a mansion". Which is why you always, ALWAYS, keep your receipt.
They still might be able to get store credit.
@Kushfan Maybe we could try the lay away program......reverse mortgage style
@RatchetRanger - but my bugs at it.
Alex, can I buy an 'e' please.
 @WendyTeagarden Oh, I thought maybe it was back in the days when Vanna & Pat would go get margaritas in between tapings.
@beernpizza @DrivingMsPatty   I was giving him a pass, Love Vanna.
 @DrivingMsPatty "Alex, can I have 'pick the right game show host for $200 please'  lol
Whew....I was so cunfused by those two comments, then my brain kicked in....dang bugs always eating something......
Personally I think it's kind of a eye sore.Like they say,"money doesn't always buy good taste" (or something like that)If they can't decide what to do with it,I say load it up with explosives and blow it to smithereens.
I will give you a milk and three crayons.
Nothing goes on forever. Tear it down or sell it.
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Government cannot afford to be wasting money.
I've got a $3.00 Offbeat National Bank Note as opening bid.
I have 20 shares of WAMU Stocks I can bid with. I don't think that matches or beats you're $3.00 Offbeat Bank Note.
 @cpt.iceman No Ice, it doesn't. you'll need to throw in a block of Facebook to even get close.
@phastphx  I'll kick in my $4.00 bill.
Oh sure. Â Throw out the big bid right from jump so I get locked out. Â
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 @Kushfan I'm in too but only if we can hang a dogs playing poker velvet painting.
@Kushfan Maybe we could form a consortium and pool our resources!
@RatchetRanger - I got a buck fiddy.
Give it to me!