Federal budget struggle raising anxiety for health care

WASHINGTON (AP) — Confused about the federal budget struggle? So are doctors, hospital administrators and other medical professionals who serve the 100 million Americans covered by Medicare and Medicaid.
Rarely has the government sent so many conflicting signals in so short a time about the bottom line for the health care industry.
Cuts are coming, says Washington, and some could be really big. Yet more government spending is also being promised as President Barack Obama's health care overhaul advances and millions of uninsured people move closer to getting government-subsidized coverage.
"Imagine a person being told they are going to get a raise, but their taxes are also going to go up and they are going to be paying more for gas," said Thornton Kirby, president of the South Carolina Hospital Association. "They don't know if they are going to be taking home more or less. That's the uncertainty when there are so many variables in play."
Real money is at stake for big hospitals and small medical practices alike. Government at all levels pays nearly half the nation's health care tab, with federal funds accounting for most of that.
It's widely assumed that a budget deal will mean cuts for Medicare service providers. But which ones? How much? And will Medicaid and subsidies to help people get coverage under the health care law also be cut?
As House Speaker John Boehner famously said: "God only knows." The Ohio Republican was referring to the overall chances of getting a budget deal, but the same can be said of how health care — one-sixth of the economy — will fare.
"There is no political consensus to do anything significant," said Dan Mendelson, president of Avalere Health, a market analysis firm. "There is a collective walking away from things that matter. All the stuff on the lists of options becomes impossible, because there is no give-and-take."
As if things weren't complicated enough, doctors keep facing their own recurring fiscal cliff, separate from the bigger budget battle but embroiled in it nonetheless.
Come Jan. 1, doctors and certain other medical professionals face a 26.5 percent cut in their Medicare payments, the consequence of a 1990s deficit-reduction law gone awry. Lawmakers failed to repeal or replace that law even after it became obvious that it wasn't working. Instead, Congress usually passes a "doc fix" each year to waive the cuts.
This year, the fix got hung up in larger budget politics. Although a reprieve is expected sooner or later, doctors don't like being told to sit in the congressional waiting room.
"It seems like there is a presumption that physicians and patients can basically tolerate this kind of uncertainty while the Congress goes through whatever political machinations they are going through," said Dr. Jeremy Lazarus, president of the American Medical Association. "Our concern is that physician uncertainty and anxiety about being able to pay the bills will have an impact on taking care of patients."
A recent government survey indicates that Medicare beneficiaries are having more problems when trying to find a new primary care doctor, and Lazarus said that will only get worse.
Adding to their unease, doctors also face an additional reduction if automatic spending cuts go through. Those would be triggered if Obama and congressional leaders are unable to bridge partisan differences and strike a deal. They are part of the combination of tax increases and spending cuts dubbed the "fiscal cliff."
Medicare service providers would get hit with a 2 percent across-the-board cut, but Medicaid and subsidies for the uninsured under Obama's health care overhaul would be spared. The Medicare cut adds up to about $120 billion over ten years, with 40 percent falling on hospitals, according to Avalare's analysis. Nursing homes, Medicare Advantage plans and home health agencies also get hit.
The American Hospital Association says that would lead to the loss of hundreds of thousands of hospital jobs in a labor intensive industry that also generates employment for other businesses in local communities.
"It's very difficult to believe hospitals can absorb the kinds of numbers they are talking about without reducing service or workforce," said Kirby, the hospital association head. "You may decide that a service a hospital provides is not affordable — for example, obstetrics in a rural community — if you're making a little bit of money or losing a little bit of money by continuing to deliver babies in a rural community."
Independent analysts like Mendelson doubt that a 2 percent Medicare cut to hospitals would be catastrophic, but say it will cost jobs somewhere.
Even if there is a budget deal, the squeeze will be on.
The administration has proposed $400 billion in health care cuts so far in the budget talks, coming mainly from Medicare spending. That's only a starting point as far as Republicans are concerned. They also want to pare back Medicaid and Obama's health care law, and have also sought an increase in the eligibility age for Medicare.
Rarely has the government sent so many conflicting signals in so short a time about the bottom line for the health care industry.
Cuts are coming, says Washington, and some could be really big. Yet more government spending is also being promised as President Barack Obama's health care overhaul advances and millions of uninsured people move closer to getting government-subsidized coverage.
"Imagine a person being told they are going to get a raise, but their taxes are also going to go up and they are going to be paying more for gas," said Thornton Kirby, president of the South Carolina Hospital Association. "They don't know if they are going to be taking home more or less. That's the uncertainty when there are so many variables in play."
Real money is at stake for big hospitals and small medical practices alike. Government at all levels pays nearly half the nation's health care tab, with federal funds accounting for most of that.
It's widely assumed that a budget deal will mean cuts for Medicare service providers. But which ones? How much? And will Medicaid and subsidies to help people get coverage under the health care law also be cut?
As House Speaker John Boehner famously said: "God only knows." The Ohio Republican was referring to the overall chances of getting a budget deal, but the same can be said of how health care — one-sixth of the economy — will fare.
"There is no political consensus to do anything significant," said Dan Mendelson, president of Avalere Health, a market analysis firm. "There is a collective walking away from things that matter. All the stuff on the lists of options becomes impossible, because there is no give-and-take."
As if things weren't complicated enough, doctors keep facing their own recurring fiscal cliff, separate from the bigger budget battle but embroiled in it nonetheless.
Come Jan. 1, doctors and certain other medical professionals face a 26.5 percent cut in their Medicare payments, the consequence of a 1990s deficit-reduction law gone awry. Lawmakers failed to repeal or replace that law even after it became obvious that it wasn't working. Instead, Congress usually passes a "doc fix" each year to waive the cuts.
This year, the fix got hung up in larger budget politics. Although a reprieve is expected sooner or later, doctors don't like being told to sit in the congressional waiting room.
"It seems like there is a presumption that physicians and patients can basically tolerate this kind of uncertainty while the Congress goes through whatever political machinations they are going through," said Dr. Jeremy Lazarus, president of the American Medical Association. "Our concern is that physician uncertainty and anxiety about being able to pay the bills will have an impact on taking care of patients."
A recent government survey indicates that Medicare beneficiaries are having more problems when trying to find a new primary care doctor, and Lazarus said that will only get worse.
Adding to their unease, doctors also face an additional reduction if automatic spending cuts go through. Those would be triggered if Obama and congressional leaders are unable to bridge partisan differences and strike a deal. They are part of the combination of tax increases and spending cuts dubbed the "fiscal cliff."
Medicare service providers would get hit with a 2 percent across-the-board cut, but Medicaid and subsidies for the uninsured under Obama's health care overhaul would be spared. The Medicare cut adds up to about $120 billion over ten years, with 40 percent falling on hospitals, according to Avalare's analysis. Nursing homes, Medicare Advantage plans and home health agencies also get hit.
The American Hospital Association says that would lead to the loss of hundreds of thousands of hospital jobs in a labor intensive industry that also generates employment for other businesses in local communities.
"It's very difficult to believe hospitals can absorb the kinds of numbers they are talking about without reducing service or workforce," said Kirby, the hospital association head. "You may decide that a service a hospital provides is not affordable — for example, obstetrics in a rural community — if you're making a little bit of money or losing a little bit of money by continuing to deliver babies in a rural community."
Independent analysts like Mendelson doubt that a 2 percent Medicare cut to hospitals would be catastrophic, but say it will cost jobs somewhere.
Even if there is a budget deal, the squeeze will be on.
The administration has proposed $400 billion in health care cuts so far in the budget talks, coming mainly from Medicare spending. That's only a starting point as far as Republicans are concerned. They also want to pare back Medicaid and Obama's health care law, and have also sought an increase in the eligibility age for Medicare.
Well now that they passed the law they are going to find out what's in it and how it will affect the government and the economy and if it's even feasible. D.C. doesn't look into these things before they pass a law, they don't even check to see if it is constitutional until after it has been passed, they just get back hungover from vacation and say "We need to do something, let's pass a law and see what happens." If the federal government already pays half the nations medical bills, then that means taxpayers are already paying half the nations medical bills, and now they want us to pay more. Somebody has to pay for all the free medical care the politicians enjoy, for life.
Talking to my doctor on my last visit, he said that as it is doctors cannot afford to treat Medicare patients unless the vast majority of their patients are not on Medicare. When they get another 25+% cut, many are likely to refuse to treat those on Medicare. Hurray for Obamacare; Sarah Palin was correct. Death panels by default.
 @Nobody Well, not totally true. Our Son who Has PKU gets everything he needs.. I am thinking how ever the older the person is the less bennies they will be getting. Our Son's PKU Formula that is life sustaining is being paid for. Until we get a letter that states we will be paying for half the cost , then it will be interesting to see what happens ..On the Plus side...we would get a hell of a food stamp increase lol. But, you know something, one can chose to live day to day about worrying aobut everything or one can prepare and or just live one day at a time and cross the bridge when one comes to it.. We killed Verizon.. Son's more important then a damn cell phone. I think if we Americans chose items of importance over items of wants we all would be much happier.
"Come Jan. 1, doctors and certain other medical professionals face a 26.5 percent cut in their Medicare payments, the consequence of a 1990s deficit-reduction law gone awry. Lawmakers failed to repeal or replace that law even after it became obvious that it wasn't working. Instead, Congress usually passes a "doc fix" each year to waive the cuts." - Kicking the can down the road for 20 years has worked out real well...Cuts to Medicare were bound to happen sooner or later with or without Romneycare part 2.
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 @Fed up Fed  @kramr Interesting how we have devolved to calling anything we disagree with "lies". An easy out, I guess.Â
With B HO racking up trillion dollar deficits for most likely 8 years.........
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When interest rates finally rise, (which they are bound to as some point)Â America will almost instantly turn into Greece.
The doubling of our interest payments (which will happen)  will make the majority of our federal budget  go to  just paying interest on the debt.
They'll never cut medicaid. The trash are at the top of the list for the dole.
Yet more evidence that socialized health care does not work in a free market economy.
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The problem is pervasive, and incredibly complex.
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 On one hand, you have the folks who need it. Arguably, a good number of them are the ones who will cost the most to (medically) take care of because of self-destructive habits (smoking, drinking, drug use). This, in turn, means that the costs of any coverage will increase over time. Increased costs means that money has to come from somewhere to cover it, or the payouts decrease. At that point, one of two things happens;
1) Medical facilities opt out of medicare/obamacare programs because they are not able to recoup their costs through participation. Net result; participants can no longer find doctors who they can see.
2) Taxes/fees have to be increased, or money has to come out of other programs to cover the increase costs. Net result; either increases in taxes or loss of other services to cover costs.Â
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Repeat either scenario (or, a hybrid of both) until the program becomes insolvent under its own costs. (example, the 'old' Oregon Health Plan)
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The other problem is that the health care industry is a for profit enterprise. As such, the shareholders and boards of directors have more effect on costs than actual expenses. When someone charges an insurance company $2500 for a MRI to find evidence of arthritis, when an x-ray would have done the same thing, it becomes obvious that there is an incentive other than just paitent care. Another example of this is the repatenting of drugs long after R&D costs have been repaid. Yet another is the emergence of drugs that are marketed for uses that the original production never intended (do some research on the origins of Viagra).Â
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The end result of the combination of these two realities is the health care system that we have today. There's no easy solutions, but obamacare isn't it. There's too many payouts attached to the healthcare industry, and too much theorhetical 'savings' written into the legislation that will never come to pass. Much in the same way that lord kitzhaber fluffed up the numbers in the 'new and improved' Oregon Health Plan with 'savings' that are theorhetical, but will never come to pass.Â
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The rich stay healthy, and the sick stay poor is the (non-obamacare) US healthcare model. Great for those who can afford it (or, politicians who just have the taxpayers foot the bill), not so much for the other 80% of the country. I don't know the solution, but I know that obamacare isn't it.Â
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you - rationed healthcare, then rationed rationed healthcare to the point that if you are lucky to find to doctor that is still taking new patients, you will be scheduled for an appointment a year out or longer, but only if a faceless government bureaucrat deems it necessary. You can thank your uncle barry and aunt pelosi.  Ever wonder why congress exempted themselves from this bull$h!t health plan? Because they know it is crap.
@theobserver Gitterdone...you go girl.
Ask your legislature to DEFUND and deflate the monster appropriately called ObamaNoCare now or suffer its cost both medically and out of pocket if your pocket holds enough money. This Nation cannot afford to let it lose.
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After spending almost a month in the hospital recently, I am even more horrified by what I have learned from insiders at the hospital about the future of services they believe that will be available especially at managed care facilities.
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People have NO REAL IDEA of the monster unleashed on this nation.
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Even though you and employers will be paying (taxed or penalized) far more than told, you will still not be getting coverage for services available unless you wait and pay the difference of what ObamaCare does not cover IF you are considered medically speaking a good risk factor. Otherwise they will simply continue to treat symptoms.
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Qualified for Medicare........good luck finding a good Doctor or clinic that accepts new patients.
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Think you will get your knee or hip replaced.....think again.....need dialysis, kidney transplant....think again...need that heart valve.......think again. These factors will be decided by number crunchers NOT health care providers and you will have to wait in line to even get your answer. In many cases they send in the get ready to die counselors to talk with you and your family as you wait...
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It's very alarming that over fifty percent of the voters in this country, along with a majority of the electoral college put this idiot in office. Â Not once, but twice. Â Your mentality has to be questioned when you put a snake oil salesman into the highest office in the land. Â It proves without a doubt that intelligence is not required in order to vote.Â
Bad money always drives out good.
obama is doing a good job of destroying America.
@sortbait Sounds like you're just doing a good job of buying into the Errpublican propaganda...as you were;-)
@CramRalphden Just wondering...... do you have any thoughts of your own? or is this all we can expect from your posts?
@kramr ......don't waste your time kramr
@sortbait ......it's the revolution. And it was fomented in the colleges and universities across the nation. Control information......you have power. Control was taken of the press and the country was sold Obama. And it continues with promotion and protection.
We are going off a fiscal cliff and he gives Congress and Federal employees a raise. I don't see how anyone can have any faith in him. KA:TU will probably delete this like they have other posts
Congress hasn't passed a budget in 3 years. I wish I could get a raise for doing nothing.
I believe the president will give us all the answers soon. He is just waiting for the directions from Peking to arrive...
If it sounds too good to be true, it's probably a Presidential campaign promise trying to be forced down the throats of gullible American's that hope beyond hope he's telling the truth.    And here's the proof.Â
Interesting take on BarryCare from Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhvYBzGT_4k
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 So after four years.......
It's  crystal clear that B HO's administration can easily be sumerized in one sentence......
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What ???? ....Unintended consequences from a health care bill nobody bothered to read?...Passing this astronomically expensive bill during the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression?....Geeeze!.....who would have thought there would be no problems when Obamacare was implemented ??
Passing like kidney stone now...
"Anxiety for health care". no, no, no !! Obama care will fix everything. His highness said so. And we just had to pass it to find out what's in it. Brilliant, comrade Pelosi.
I wish I could spend more with less money.. life would be great!!
Soon we will get to see the results of 0bamaCare. It will not be pretty.
 @RalphCramden Yep. Good luck in trying to find a full time job after Jan. 1st. Employers have already said that they will have no choice but to cut back their employee's hours to part time or even lay people off when obozocare starts kicking in because it will be unaffordable. After Jan. 1, 2014, it is estimated that 700,000 people will lose their jobs as a direct result of the full implementation of obozocare, and the unemployment rate will tick back up to 9% or more because of it.
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My cousin sent out layoff notices to 7 folks to get the company below 50 people so that they will not get fines for not providing health care. He is outsourcing the work those 7 people did to China. He is looking at outsourcing more work to China because his competition is doing that and he can't compete with them if he doesn't find a way to cut costs.
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Many companies are only hiring part time workers as you mentioned to keep below the 30 hour limit which requires health care.
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Companies are finding the loopholes in the law to save money and guess who will suffer? The middle class.
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The Law of Unintended Consequences is in play and will have disastrous results for the American people.
@RalphCramden @theobserver except these are not UNEXPECTED consequences. Anyone with a brain could see these things coming a mile away. Sadly, the majority of voters in this country appear to lack brains.