Drones, secret law and Wyden's push for transparency

PORTLAND, Ore. – It's been nearly a year since Oregon's Sen. Ron Wyden wrote a letter to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder asking him to provide Congress with the secret legal opinions that reportedly justify the targeted killing of American citizens suspected of terrorism.
He's yet to receive an official response, Wyden said during an interview Sunday after holding a town hall at the Multnomah County Arts Center in Southwest Portland.
"The (Obama) administration has given us very little on this subject," he said.
And because of the administration's continued lack of transparency on when the president of the United States can kill an American citizen, Wyden said he's going to continue to press for more openness from the administration.
"We're going to have something to say about secret law very soon," he said.
Wyden didn't go into any detail about what he'd say or when he'd say it regarding secret law but "we've got the (John) Brennan confirmation hearing coming up so there are going to be some opportunities."
Brennan, the current assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, is President Obama's nominee for CIA director.
The man at the center of the controversy was an American-born man named Anwar al-Awlaki. He moved his family, including his 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman, also an American citizen, to Yemen after he felt American authorities had put him under surveillance. After he left, he soon began speaking out against America. Eventually, the Obama administration alleged he turned against his country, became a traitor, and plotted to harm and kill Americans.
And without capture, charge or trial, the Obama administration put him on a "kill list." Al-Awlaki's father sued to get his son off that list. But he lost. So on Sept. 30, 2011, al-Awlaki and another American, Samir Khan, were in a car in Yemen. A drone took up position high above and somewhere, perhaps thousands of miles away, someone pushed a button or "pulled a trigger," and incinerated the car and its occupants with Hellfire missiles.
While Wyden did not specifically mention al-Awlaki in his Feb. 8, 2012 letter, he demanded to know the Obama administration's legal justification for killing Americans suspected of terrorism. Before his letter, the senior senator from Oregon, who sits on the Senate’s Select Committee on Intelligence, had tried several times to get administration officials to tell him what legal right they had to pull that trigger.
Wyden said in his letter the Justice Department gave him "some relevant information," but he had "mistakenly" thought that meant it was going to provide him with the actual legal opinions.
Being on the intelligence committee allows Wyden to see classified documents. The question then is why hasn't he been able to see the administration's full legal analysis justifying the subject of killing an American suspected of terrorism?
"You'll have to ask them that question," he said on Sunday.
In his letter, Wyden did not say the president had no authority to act with deadly force against an American who had disowned his country; in fact, Wyden said there "can undoubtedly be some circumstances" the president can kill a treasonous American.
Instead, Wyden simply wanted to know what the administration's legal justification for pulling that trigger was so it could be ensured "that these questions are asked and answered in a manner consistent with American laws and American values."
The Justification Campaign
Meanwhile, another front had opened up in the battle to force the administration to disclose a Justice Department memo that reportedly contains the secret legal opinions. Two journalists with The New York Times, Charlie Savage and Scott Shane, filed separate Freedom of Information Act requests asking for the memo. The Justice Department denied their requests, citing national security.
The reporters sued and the American Civil Liberties Union joined in the lawsuit. Nearly two weeks ago, U.S. District Judge Colleen McMahon in Manhattan denied the reporters, the ACLU, and thus the public, the memo. The law did not permit her to order the administration to release it, she said. She ruled the administration had not violated the law by not releasing the memo.
For Wyden, the judge's ruling will not deter him from his effort to force the Obama administration to release the secret legal opinions.
"We're going to continue to keep pushing and force the administration to disclose its analyses of when the president is allowed to kill an American citizen," he said. "We'll just have to wait and see if the administration is going to be more forthcoming, and I think they ought to be with the Congress and the public. I think it is the right thing to do regardless of whether it's required under FOIA."
Before the judge's ruling and after Wyden's letter, the Obama administration went on a public relations campaign to justify its actions. Several administration officials, including Attorney General Eric Holder, made speeches laying out the administration’s argument that what it is doing is legal and moral.
In his March 5, 2012 speech at Northwestern University School of Law, Holder outlined why he
believed the administration has the authority to kill an American suspected of terrorism when that citizen "is a senior operational leader of al-Qaida or associated forces, and who is actively engaged in planning to kill Americans."
First, that citizen must be an "imminent threat" to individual Americans or America. Second, capture of that citizen would not be possible because of that person's location; and lack of immediate action by the U.S. government would mean the death of Americans. Third, the killing would be “conducted in a manner consistent with applicable law of war principles."
Holder expanded on those concepts a bit in his speech, but he also said something else: "'Due process' and 'judicial process' are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process."
Asked to explain the difference between "due process" and "judicial process," U.S. Department of Justice spokesman Dean Boyd simply emailed KATU.com a link to Holder's speech as well as a link to a speech made by Brennan on April 30, 2012 at the Wilson Center.
After Holder's speech Wyden said in a press release he agreed with many things the attorney general had said, but he was still not satisfied, saying many important questions were left unanswered. In the press release, he outlined exactly what he wanted answered.
He wanted to know how much evidence was needed to determine a citizen was part of a terrorist group. He wanted to know if a U.S. citizen should be given the chance to surrender before being killed.
Wyden also said the speech and what he knew about the targeted killing program still didn't clear up for him whether the president could order the killing of an American inside America.
"These questions should not be a matter of 'secret law,' settled behind closed doors by a small number of government lawyers – every American has a right to understand when their government believes it is allowed to kill them," he said in the press release.
The Case Against Anwar Al-Awlaki
Outside the United States Anwar al-Awlaki made speeches to inspire people to hate America. And on Christmas Day 2009 a man named Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab tried to ignite a bomb sewn into his underwear on Northwest Flight 253 as it headed for Detroit. The bomb failed to explode and the passengers tackled him.
During his interrogation, he admitted to U.S. authorities he had been in contact with Anwar al-Awlaki. He told the authorities he'd received specific instructions from al-Awlaki about when to detonate the bomb.
Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan corresponded with al-Awlaki via email before he opened fire at a soldier-readiness center in Fort Hood Texas, killing 13 and injuring 32 on Nov. 5, 2009. After the shooting, al-Awlaki praised Hasan for what he'd done.
There have been other allegations as well. Obama, during a speech at the "Change of Office" Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff ceremony the same day Awlaki was killed, said Awlaki "directed the failed attempt to blow up U.S. cargo planes in 2010."
After al-Awlaki was killed, his family sued, naming individually those they believed were responsible for ordering their family member's death: Secretary of Defense Leon C. Panetta, Cmdr. William H. McRaven, Cmdr. Joseph Votel and then-CIA Director David H. Petraeus.
The lawsuit was filed on their behalf by the ACLU. The family believed al-Awlaki was not granted "due process" afforded him by the U.S. Constitution and that the aforementioned individuals had violated U.S. and international laws.
In an interview with KATU.com via phone from his office in Washington, D.C., Arthur Spitzer, a lawyer with the ACLU representing the families, did not dispute the allegations.
"The question is not so much what kind of information is needed but who makes the decisions. And what kind of measures are taken to assure that there are other ways of capturing a person, for example. And what kind of measures are taken to be sure that you don't kill other innocent people at the same time," he said. "Under principles of international law, even if you assume all these facts about Mr. Awlaki, you're still not supposed to kill someone unless they present an imminent threat of death or serious physical injury to you or the United States."
He said a big part of the lawsuit is really about holding the government accountable and trying to bring the targeted killing program "under the rule of law rather than under the unilateral control of the president."
The Killing of the Son
Two weeks after Anwar al-Awlaki was killed, his 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman, was eating dinner with his friends at an open-air restaurant in Yemen 200 miles from where his father was killed. Reportedly a drone, although it may have also been a fighter jet, flew overhead and fired.
Abdulrahman was killed. Abdulrahman's cousin, also a minor, was killed. In all, at least seven people were killed. It was reported that the target was supposed to be al-Qaida leader Ibrahim al-Banna. It was first reported he was killed in the strike, but it turned out he was not killed.
An unnamed senior Obama administration official without permission to speak on the record told the Los Angeles Times that Abdulrahman was "a military-aged male traveling with a high-value target."
However, Abdulrahman's family released the boy's birth certificate and, according to the ACLU lawsuit, U.S. officials, cloaked in anonymity, admitted Abdulrahman was a minor.
In a Washington Post article, a U.S. official said "the U.S. government did not know that Mr. Awlaki's son was there" before the strike.
Obama has never spoken of the boy publicly. There is almost nothing publicly known about the incident.
And so within the family's lawsuit in the name of the father, so is the name of the son.
Wyden said he was "troubled by the press reports about the American teenager with no personal involvement in terrorism being killed by an alleged covert airstrike in Yemen. And we've been reviewing those in classified sessions, too."
Wyden, however, couldn't speak about what was said in those sessions.
"Under classification rules you're not allowed to," he said.
He also can't speak about any briefings he may have received about Anwar al-Awlaki. In fact, on Sunday, Wyden wouldn't even confirm whether he'd been briefed on al-Awlaki's killing.
"These things are classified at the highest level, but we wanted to give you the best answers we could," he said.
Further reading on this subject and other sources consulted for this story:
The New York Times, September 30, 2011: "Two-year manhunt led to killing of Awlaki in Yemen"
The New York Times, May 29, 2012: "Secret 'kill list' proves a test of Obama's principles and will"
Esquire, July 9, 2012: "The Lethal Presidency of Barack Obama"
The New York Times, July 18, 2012: "Relatives sue officials over U.S. citizens killed by drone strikes in Yemen"
Wow..... seriously.... Get over it... Do you really think this stuff wasn't happening before Obama came into office?!? Really?? Are you all that naive or are you all just... bitter Republicans. You're wonder God Bush started an over decade long war with thousands of deaths of military servicemen and women and for what?? Weapons of mass destruction that didn't even exist! Death of thousands of women and children for something that wasn't even there and we were being lied to the entire time. The Republican party is rupturing and destroying itself. Its almost laughable some of your arguments. It has nothing to do with fact just bitterness. I almost feel bad for you..... almost.
It's not just Republicans. Whatever the party, they are all in this mess together. It's just a changing of the guard. You are right though, this is nothing new. And this is going on right here on American soil too, not just overseas. We are more and more becoming subjects to a tyrannical government.
 @amrelr2000 "You're wonder God Bush started an over decade long war with thousands of deaths of military servicemen and women and for what"
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Ok I'll resubmit in english. We were no better off the 4 years before Obama came into office. Bush sent thousands of servicemembers to their death for something that was not there. You can blame Bush for that. There are you now able to understand my statement or should I make it more dummy proof for you?
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Based on the over usage of characters and other grammatical error, I submit you are uninformed and cannot be bothered by information and facts. The senator is seeking only information of the legality of this murder. Or do we call it Kill? No, Wiki says without trial it is a murder.
In some cases any one who betrays secrets of the U.S. Is a traitor.
 A traitor deserves the Death penalty, If he was actively seeking to harm then US then it was done right and true. Rather we like or dislike the constitution Cuts both ways . It serves as protection, it also delvers justice. the question is, Did POTUS authorize this under constitutional law? Or did they take it up on them selves? Larger Question Who was this person that so drew the attention of the government? what was his Knowledge and field of work?
Someone accused of treason still deserves a trial right? Define treason? Under the Patriot act (which you and I and everyone else are "subject" to) they can define treason as they go along. If you are in disagreement with your government and have so called "anti-government" discussions, emails, blogs etc you coud be considered a traitor. That's a fact. In your message you said if he was "actively seeking to harm the US", how do any of us know that was even true? Maybe that "harm" was information that certain entities don't want brought to light because they are operating outside of the law of the land. We the people will never know that truth about this incident or hundreds of others.
Why in God's name do folks keep voting this dolt into office? This guy got dropped on his head as a child too many times and sways with the wind when a huge donor calls him up to do so. Watching this tard on video makes me glad that I refuse to even watch Kitzgrabber, or Omama...
 @boned Because there so blind that they don't even truest a seeing eye dog to guide them out of harms way, so, they are all willing to be herded like sheep going to the slaughter.
 @lee986321  @boned Sheeple.
Or we can do what Bush did and start an over decade long war for WMD that didn't even exist. Really because Republicans are destroying themselves with their views that are getting more and more extreme every day. You don't think stuff like this was happening before Obama came into office. How naive are you?? Really??
Well you@ B Smissle Don't have any appreciation for the life already lost . A toll that avoids that loss of life is valuable, is it not? I personally get up on veterians day and take note and reverence.
 @czullo It's "Veteran's Day", there, Mr. Reverent.
 @czullo It is a war that your hero keeps expanding - his name is Barry Soetero in case you have him mixed-up with someone else, SIR.
"Government transparency"? What a laugh. This after he stuffed pork into the fiscal cliff legislation.
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 @czullo Why is @Playanekes a twit....explain.  Drive by shooting is exactly what it is.....but this is worse, the person pulling the trigger ultimately is the POTUS!
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The administration has simple taken drive-by shooting to a new level. I don't know whether the occupants were guilty or innocent because there was no trial, but if it happens on US soil I suspect there's going to be a significant backlash.
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Did I hear "American citizen?"this statement should not applied to anybody who hate united states of America . Second of all execution doesn't mean "killing".and the third is mr Wyden trying to defense idiots of alqueida,Taliban?
 @hawk If he was an idiot of "alqueda, Taliban" then why did he dine with the top military brass a few months after 9/11?????
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 @hawk So if the government suspects you of hating the US, you're down with them deciding to summarily execute you without a trial?
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Glad to know that. There is a difference between abuse of due process and complete lack of it. I suppose if it was BUSH in the driver's seat you would be screaming for murder charges against him.
 @hawk In English, execution implies killing.
With all of these critically serious issues the president is dodging I would like to ask my senator, did you Ron Wyden vote a second time around to retain Barack Obama as our nation's president? And if so, why?Â
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No one voted a first time around or a second time around to elect in a DICTATOR, an omnipotent world war blood thirsting dictator. Which is expressly what Barack Obama has willingly transformed himself in to - right before our eyes. So the question is asked of Ron Wyden - did you, sir - vote a second time around to retain 16.7 percent civilian population SLAUGHTERING and eviscerating Barack Obama? Blowing up women, children and the elderly in any nation he discretionarily chooses - while simlutanteously refusing to fullly disclose how it is he picks nations to blow apart in the first, second or third place.Â
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Mr. Wyden it would appear - you got expressly what YOU voted for, sir - if indeed you were recklessly and irresponsible enough to cast your vote to re-elect this man.Â
LMAO This guy that Wyden is seeking to protect wasn't tangled up in blue, he was tangled up in the CIA. Â Only so many lucky days when you are talking about thoses guys, and I really think it unwise to question their loyalities, believe me I've done it.
When you give the Executive Branch more power, the Executive Branch holds on to and expands that power no matter who is in office.
Now wait a minute when Obama took office in 2009 he promised the most transparant government yet. Oh wait he promised alot of other stuff too.Â
 @jpdx00 And yet a willingly DUMBED DOWN electorate in 2012 re-elected this dictator. Yes indeed - you all did. Re-elect Barack Obama - how could this nation. Really....
 @englishdaisy Speak for yourself. *I* didn't vote for him.
@Peregrine @englishdaisy  That's what nearly everyone who voted for him claims...I have not met a single person since the election that claims to have voted for him...yet he still won....is that strange?
I really appreciate that at least SOMEONE is trying to inform the American people that our rights are being violated as a matter of fact FAR beyond the levels that we have been told (read: lied to) about. Thanks for your efforts, Senator. Please keep it up.
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IMHO, I wish there were a few more of them who were troubled by the systematic undermining of the rights of our own citizens by our government, which is abusing the state secrets act and privilege to keep citizens from being able to seek redress of their grievances in court (a violation of the first amendment). This to being done routinely to protect those programs which are violating every American's civil rights, and would be shut down if a citizen could ever get past the 'Justice Department' lawyers' obstruction. It's absolutely criminal. Secret laws, secret justifications, intentionally undermining of the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th amendments. That, for sure, is not what our founding fathers had in mind. How do I know? They wrote it down. The ends do not justify the means.
Yemen? Â A hot bed of terorist activity and mr. Wyden questions if this man was an enemy to the State? Â Just as the US Navy what happens in Yemen. Â It's more than clear that this man had no love for America and was stroking it baby! Â Wyden we have too many problems for you to be a bleeding heart for those who care not for you or this country. Â Let's imagine the worst and he was an american plant working for us, he knew the dangers. Â Seems like today politians that are bored are over-reaching the job we are paying then for.
Like him or not, Ron Wyden is truly an advocate of the people.
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The US Government targeting American citizens, provided it is done with complete transparancy and an appropriate level of reluctance,  is akin to the death penalty as a sentence handed down by a court of law.   The US Government targeting American citizens with complete secrecy and with a lack of any accountability is one of the most terrifying scenarios I have ever envisioned in my entire (albeit relatively short) existance.
Wyden is a good man in the Senate. Rarely do I disagree with his positions and when I do; it is because I need more information.
 @Icarus Wyden never met an anti-American terrorist he didn't like. He looks brain-damaged and sounds even more 'that way'. Icarus, you must mostly agree with his cradle-to-grave gov't assistance since you seem a beneficiary of it. I would agree, though, that you need more information.
Funny they only talk about killing Americans.....why don't they talk about the 167 innocent children killed in Pakistan last year due to drone strikes? Â Or why don't they point out that 49 out of 50 people killed by drone strikes are innocent people just going about their daily business.
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I would have to think if Iran was doing this to us we might have something to say about it!
"Wyden said there "can undoubtedly be some circumstances" the president can kill a treasonous American." Does that mean 0bama will put himself on the list? ;)
Now skeeter...Drones don't kill people, people kill people...I figured that's some rhetoric you can relate to;-)
No no no.. Keep your mind on the hype about GUNS being taken away as the government infringing on your rights..
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 @fulcrum "I'm made of metal, my circuits gleam. I am perpetual I keep the country clean. I'm elected electric spy, I'm protected electric eye." -Judas Priest in, like, 1981.
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Boy, if thats not the pot calling the kettle black..... Hey Ronny, if you expect transparency out of the POTUS, Its only right we can expect a little transparency out of you...... like being more upfront about raising your family in New York City.
 @kramr Personally, I don't care if he chooses to raise them in Spain, as long as he continues to be one of the few Senators who actually has a problem with the degree of invasion in to all Americans' lives by the federal government. He sits on the Intelligence Committee, so he has a pretty good idea of the level of SOME of the abuses of our civil rights, and it troubles him enough to work to fulfill his oath of protecting and defending the Constitution, unlike most of the others in D.C. and the media who are eerily quiet on the subject. I'm proud to see him fight for what's right on this.
 @TangledUpInBlue @kramr   I gotta agree with Tangled here. If anything, it's the light shade of grey pot calling the kettle made out of a black hole black. I'm not a fan of Wyden but he's one of the least problems in the government currently.
Here's an example of "transparency" in the 0bama admin: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130110/14543421636/eff-gets-secret-interpretation-fisa-spying-law-its-almost-entirely-redacted.shtml
I disagree with Wyden on almost everything, but I support him 100% on his fight against illegal warrantless spying.
A Democrat wants the truth? Really? Are you sure?
Transparency is good, but compliance with the Constitution is better.
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Warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention without charge or trial, and of course an Executive "hit list" - these things are all ILLEGAL, and complicit public officials are CRIMINALS.Â
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Do you job, Senator Wyden: uphold your oath of office and DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION FROM ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
@alohan The rules of the game were set on 9-11 and never changed since than. It is not Wyden's problem at all. Sorry but, I am thinking what an idiot we are sending to the senate.
Why don't you Wyden go to see our soldiers in Afghanistan and tell them about the problem you have?And don't you have anything else to do? Really?
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Sen. Wyden, you're waiting for transparency from Eric Holder..???   I don't think you can hold your breath that long...
Nice try, though...
Is that the best picture of Wyden you could find? Looks like he's having a raging hemorrhoid attack! LOL
@jpk He probaly could have shaved the beard, took the turbin off, and removed the dagger from his belt which is more politically correct............that's who........oh.....nevermind!