Going over the fiscal cliff: A break down on how it will affect you
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PORTLAND, Ore. – If Congress and President Barack Obama can't agree on a fiscal cliff deal by the end of the year, taxes will increase for almost everyone and deep spending cuts will occur, potentially taking the nation back into a recession.
Here's a look at how "going over the cliff" will affect you from your paycheck to your sale of stocks. Local financial advisor Thomas Jensen from Vaerdi Financial guides you through those potential impacts.
And will there be a compromise by year's end? Oregon's U.S. Sen. Jeff Merkley weighs in and says "there's a very good chance" something will get done. President Obama said Friday that he's optimistic lawmakers can reach a deal.
Plus, under related content, on the left hand side of this page, you can find the latest story and some of the past stories we have posted on the fiscal cliff issue.
The Unemployed in Oregon
Next week's check will be the last check for about 25,000 unemployed Oregonians. Unless Congress reaches an agreement, federal unemployment benefits will go away for more than 2 million Americans.
So if you've tapped out on your 26 weeks of state unemployment benefits, there will no longer be another 26 weeks of federal extension benefits to help you and your family pay the bills.
In Oregon, the average weekly unemployment check is $288. More than 62,000 people are currently getting one of those checks, but the number will drop dramatically without a deal in Congress.
The Oregon Employment Department has already mailed letters to those who are in line to lose their benefits, and there're roughly 1,000 people who will max out every week after that.
President Obama and Democrats have pushed to include extended unemployment benefits as part of a fiscal cliff deal. But Republicans say the billions of dollars that it would take are too costly.
Milk prices could go sky high
Some suggest the price of milk could double if Congress doesn't pass a farm bill.
If Congress doesn't pass a new one by Monday night it will have to follow a 63-year-old-law that forces the government to buy milk at double the price, driving up the cost for everyone to roughly $7 a gallon.
The Senate passed a farm bill last week that would prevent the price increase, but the house hasn't voted on it yet.
The farm bill affects much more than milk, but milk is the most immediate concern. Other commodities aren't harvested until late spring, and beyond, including winter wheat. So if Congress does not take action on the farm bill, in the next few days, and milk prices jump up, the pressure for action will only grow as farmers look to harvest.
How the tax hikes will affect you
The average family would see their taxes jump $2,400. That's the average if your income is between $50,000 and $75,000. And that's according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.
Here are a few scenarios:
- Say you're getting by with a little over $20,000 in income each year. If that's the case, your taxes would go up 3.7 percent if Congress doesn't take action. That's $412 extra out of your pocket.
That's the low end. Let's look at the middle ground.
- If you earn $64,484 your taxes go up 3.8 percent, costing you nearly $2,000 more a year.
- For folks earning about $108,000 a year, your tax rate will go up 4.2 percent, costing you more than $3,500 in additional taxes each year.
- But the biggest hit is on those who have the most: The high earners. If you make more than half a million dollars a year, your taxes are going up 5.2 percent. That's nearly $15,000 more in taxes.
Republicans and Democrats agree that if you make $250,000 or less your income taxes should not go up. But they've yet to agree on a plan to protect those rates because of their disagreement on what higher income earners should pay.
Also, the temporary Social Security payroll tax cut we've all enjoyed the past two years is about to expire. It appears that will not be extended as part of any deal. That's two percent of your salary you'll be paying in taxes.
Additionally, Social Security recipients might see their checks grow more slowly. The president and Republican leaders want to change the way cost-of-living adjustments are calculated, which would mean smaller checks over the years for retirees who get Social Security, veterans' benefits or government pensions tied to the cost of living.
And finally, millions of taxpayers who want to file their 2012 returns before mid-March will be delayed while they wait to see if Congress comes through with a deal to stop the Alternative Minimum Tax from hitting more people.
Miss the deadline? Should we panic?
The short answer: not right away. Economists say so long as lawmakers and the president appear to be working toward agreement, the tax hikes and spending cuts could mostly be held at bay for a few weeks. Then they could be repealed retroactively once a deal was reached.
The big wild card is the stock market and the nation's financial confidence. Would traders start to panic if Washington appeared unable to reach a compromise?
In what could be a preview, stock prices around the world dropped Friday. The Dow lost nearly 160 points.
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has warned lawmakers that the economy is already suffering from the uncertainty of the fiscal cliff and they shouldn't risk making it worse by blowing past their deadline.
Part 1: Financial Advisor Thomas Jensen at Vaerdi Financial speaks about the impact of going over the cliff on your 401(k), stocks and capital gains. Watch below:
Part 2: Financial Advisor Thomas Jensen at Vaerdi Financial speaks about the impact of going over the cliff on your taxes, dividends and the sale of your stocks. Watch below:
Interview with Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Oregon. His thoughts on getting a deal done.
So far the o nly pwople I see complaining are those with mortgages, car payments, and a boat load of debt.
Ok So if 1 in 7 in America are receiving food stamps, where will that put us if we go over the cliff ?
Won't the payroll taxes go up regardless of whether or not we go over the fiscal cliff?
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I believe that taxes are going to go up on working people either way. Going off the fiscal cliff will add some but I think most of the increase represented in the calculator is a result of payroll taxes going back up which will likely happen whether or not we go over the cliff (unlike the current situation).
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I think it is in the overall interest of most working people for the government to go off the cliff.Â
Someone's got to finance trillion dollar bailouts to 'can't fail'
financial institutions like Gold-In-Sacks (Goldman-Sachs).
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 @Mipsfer ^ I C what you did there.
 @Mipsfer YUP.
Let's break it down in numbers like a household budget....
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Annual family income: $21,700
Money the family spent: $38,200
New debt on the credit card: $16,500
Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
Total budget cuts: $385
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Now just add 8 zeros and your have our federal budget! Â Anyone see a problem here? Â STOP SPENDING!
 @B Smizzle what would happen if all credit cards were to suddenly vaporize?
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Row row row your boat quickly off the cliff,
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
your life has turned to s#!t
I guess it's up to the president to come up with a plan that republicans won't veto. WTF
@special effects Yes, it's called compromise
Regarding milk: adult mammals are weaned and don't need milk. No one needs milk after they have lost their baby (milk) teeth. No other adult mammals go around drinking the milk of another mammal which was meant exclusively for that mammal's baby. Almond, coconut, rice and soy "milks" can fill the bill just fine and  are actually healthier for you, if you still want to eat drowned Cheerios for breakfast every morning. Same goes for all dairy products: the alternative selections have become quite good substitutes, esp. the coconut derived.
 @whirledworld I hear that! Get off my Teeet!
 @whirledworld I have one little issur with this.. Our Son Who Has PKU Must have milk as he ca not have soy .
 @lee986321  @whirledworld Then GET A JOB and buy it Lee instead of relying on food stamps!  Take care of your own problems, don't expect the taxpayers to do it for you!
'potentially taking the nation back into a recession.' Wait. You mean we have been out of the recession? Really? Since when, since it still looks like recession around here.
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'Plus, under related content, on the left hand side of this page, you can find the latest story and some of the past stories we(KATU) have posted on the fiscal cliff issue' to get people all jawed and stirred up.
 @theobserver What less did you expect?? I had some iron worker that sits on the union board tell me, "Obama loves unions and keeps me in a job." I listened to her tell me how much money she already pays in taxes and I told her, "Obama only wanted your money and vote, he could care less about you." I doubt she will talk to me after she gets a few more checks...
 @boned  @theobserver Boned...you are misinformed.  From all of the news reports the GOP is holding this up and do not seem to know how to compromise.  I think the bipartisanship is sickening. We have to totally come up with a new system so it won't be a two party government.  Obviously the current system doesn't work.
 @BayouBoy  @boned  @theobserver So in your eyes a "Compromise" would mean everyone agreeing with you? So what is your big plan? let's hear it... i'm sure everyone will see it your way.
Let's not forget the $1 trillion in Obamacare taxes. Now we finally know what's in it and the fiscal cliff probably really doesn't matter in comparison.
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Since when did milk start coming in in orange containers? Strange........ Must have something to do with fluoride in the water, or else the people at the milk plant are really really color blind.
Galliker's? is that some kind of all natural milk or something?
@lee986321 Check wikipedia. It is a dairy company from somewhere in Pennsylvania. I thought since K2 is in Portland, it is too hard to find a picture from the west of the Mississippi
 @the real snoop  @lee986321 Shame on KATU for not Supporting local stores.
Good thing I don't have to buy milk. Â =) Â Everyone should milk their own milk.
(Sigh), I am old and nolonger can milk MY own milk, even though the containers are still good (sigh again)
 @tptpttp Beat me to it...
 @Ixyavi Well, one can always go and see a local farmer and get there own milk.. ooo sweet cream home made butter..Damn this allergy to milk.
 @lee986321  @Ixyavi coconut milk products taste darn near like the real thing. I have used the creamer on cereal and it tastes like milk.
 @whirledworld  @Ixyavi Yeah, I have tried "coconut milk", and "Almond milk" my favorite is Chocolate soy milk Non GMO
I don't understand who would buy milk that is stored in yellow milk jugs, what the heck is this crap!?
 @portlandborn83 no one should buy or drink milk sold in plastic jugs.
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@whirledworld @portlandborn83 Personally I love the milk from the glass bottles best. They say you can't take a difference, but I can. Â
 @portlandborn83 This should answer that question.
At Gallikerâs, weâre dedicated to bringing you the freshest and most nutritious dairy products possible. Thatâs why our milk comes in yellow jugs, which block light rays that can destroy nutrients like Vitamin A.
Does that answer your question?
Smith Dairy in Ohio does the yellow jugs, too. For the same reason.
 @lee986321  @portlandborn83 And that is why beer comes in brown bottles, except for maybe Millers Beer, to block the light, to keep the beer from going 'skunky'.
 @theobserver  @portlandborn83 Iyt is also the same reason why hydrpgem peroxide is in a dark container.. light destroys it .
 @portlandborn83 http://www.gallikers.com/milk.aspx
If WE (as a people) have dropped the reigns and the government is running toward a cliff, WE can't blame anyone but ourselves. After all WE voted them into office. And time after time, WE keep voting the same do-nothings, money grubbers and puppets of the rich and corporate interests back into office term after term while WE sit back and gripe that the government is doing this or that and making the rich richer and giving corporations the same status as "citizens".
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So don't expect the government to change until WE change. If WE don't look out for our interests as a nation they definitely won't do so. WE would rather just vote someone in and let then do the work for us; WE would rather not be bothered by it, because it cuts into our personal time.
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So remember, that by pointing the finger at the government, WE are also pointing it at OURSELVES...because whether WE like it or not, WE are responsible.
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We ARE the government.
 @Mikey Absolutely TRUE! No one to blame except ourselves. People Stand up for your U.S. Constitutional Rights. Our Rights were secured by the blood of our Veterans,ancestors, patriots or whatever term you desire to address them. Most Recently supposedly secured by the blood of OUR children, nieces, nephews, brothers and sisters, moms and dads!! STOP BEING A NATION OF SHEEPLE controlled by a handful of idiots that have no concern for you, I or our families.
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"HOW?!".....by being a LEADER and doing the things no one else wants to do, either because they FEAR our government or they have just learned to do as they are told to do like good little sheep. Grab THAT BULL that is poking you from behind by the horns and throw it to the ground!!
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"YOU WILL BE SURPRISED AT WHAT YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH, IF YOUR REALLY TRY"
"Fear no one, because our Veterans of the Military, even though they may have had fear, did what was needed.....for us. They overcame that fear! Respect our Veterans by not giving up on the U.S. Constitution and everything they did for our Freedom including sacrificing their lives."
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My personal statement that I say very often and I will continue to say it until the day the U.S. Government removes me from society.
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" I do not care who you are, what you are, what you can do or what you think you can do....do what you are going to do and get it over with because I will not back down!"
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OUR VETERANS DID NOT BACK DOWN, WHY SHOULD WE?
Consider the pathetic choices we've had recently, there's not much we can do, unfortunately. I'm of the mindset that neither Demorats nor Republicans care a rat's tail about the middle class, but unfortunately there is no one out there in the middle (that is worthy) with the slightest bit of chance, until the left and right finally wise up to the shenanigans of their partie.
 @Mikey An intelligent and informed populace is the bane of any politician. And now it appears, the "takers" are outvoting the "producers", giving all of us the candidates now in power.
 @last boyscout  @Mikey It's tough not to vote for Santa Claus.Â
It's sad to see that the deadbeat looters have finally outnumbered the producers.
96% of Black, 70% of Hispanic and 73% of Asian voted Omaba (sources are lost). We are nolonger a nation of producers. I belong to 27% of Asian and running one and a half jobs to support my daughter who doesn't make enough for her need, mortgage, for example.
The thing that I don't feel comfortable is the unemployers, some takers, some producers but couldn't get a damn job.
@last boyscout  Well, the "takers" are certainly outbreeding the "producers". This, of course, results in a disproportionate increase of the "takers" over the "producers". We "producers" could be doomed.
Part of my employment involves working with convicted criminals who are (allegedly) looking for jobs. Sadly, the majority of them go out of their way to avoid employment, because employment is for chumps like us who pay taxes and kiss some supervisor's azz. Criminals are masters at manipulating government programs to meet all their needs so they don't have to work. Then they have more unstructured time to work their scams, commit crimes and get loaded. The solution: Make anyone who has been convicted of a person-to-person felony ineligible for ANY government subsidy, other than on-the-job employment training.
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For the rest, drug test ALL recipients of government subsidies and entitlements, including food stamps, housing, unemployment and disability benefits. People who test positive for any controlled substance for which they have no prescription would be put on "probationary" status and have three months to complete a drug treatment program to retain their benefits. If they don't successfully complete the program, their benefits are terminated for a minimum of one year. If they fail a second drug test their benefits are terminated for one year. The drug treatment programs could be funded by the government with the money saved by eliminating drug users from entitlement programs. Addiction is a huge public health problem in this country, and denying drug users their free money is a good way to motivate them toward dealing with their problem, while saving taxpayers a bundle of money. Some of those people, if they are successful in rehab, might even decide to seek employment and pay into the tax base like the rest of us.
 @StealthActivist Hello , It seems you know about criminals. What does a criminals do to get money, They steal , right. They don't really care, for they can go bake to their nice bed, food, health all taken care of. O'Tay, They are in jail. But we are still paying for the ones that have "Life Sentient " for who we keep taking care of.  HummmmmmÂ
 @TheHotWife FAIL.
 @TheHotWife  @StealthActivist The hot wife. What is it you're trying to say?
 @TheHotWife 'O'Tay'? Is that a slang term, or are you referring to the Irish O'Tay's?
@theobserver @TheHotWife I'm in a good mood. I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt she was a victim of auto correct on her phone or tablet. Either that or she was drunk at 3pm in the afternoon.
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TheHotWife probably feels threatened by my comments above, as they are an indictment of her "lifestyle" and a suggestion of a solution.
 @theobserver  @TheHotWife baby talk missing a few teeth
@TheHotWife   HUH?! English, please.
 @TheHotWife  The vast majority of people who have committed crimes are out in the community, not in prisons or jails. And most who are currently incarcerated will be released someday, so we'll have to deal with them on the outside. In my experience, criminals generally prefer to stay out of prisons and jails, despite the "benefits" of incarceration. They aren't pro-social enough to be bothered to find a job though, especially since the "lifestyle" is much more fun and exciting. People who like committing crimes will do so whether or not they receive government subsidies, so lets not enable their parasitic existence through "entitlements." Lets just encourage them to get clean and sober and find jobs.
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BTW, is English your second language or something? Or are you just high?