Illegal immigration foes despair over GOP moves
DENVER (AP) - Marty Lich is ready to bolt.
It's been a couple of years since the self-described conservative considered herself a Republican, but she still often votes for GOP candidates. That's partly because of their tough stands against illegal immigration, which the retired teacher's aide blames for ruining her Southern California hometown and fears could threaten the Colorado mountain community where she now lives.
But Lich and voters like her are watching with despair as more and more Republican politicians edge toward a bipartisan plan that includes a pathway to citizenship for many of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. "If the GOP agrees on this amnesty, they're selling out their core values," Lich said. "They'd lose us. They'd lose the votes of people who support them, and they're not going to gain a lot of votes."
Demographics and election returns are pushing Republican leaders away from people like Lich. In 2007, a grass-roots rebellion led Republicans to reject then-President George W. Bush's immigration overhaul because it included a process in which otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants could eventually become U.S. citizens. Activists derided the provision as an "amnesty." After tea party groups toppled various Republicans in primaries over their dovish immigration stands, the party's rhetoric and proposals became increasingly tough.
That's changed since the drubbing the GOP took last November. Mitt Romney received underwhelming support from voters in the two fastest-growing minority groups: 27 percent of Hispanic voters and an even smaller share from Asians, according to exit polls. In contrast, George W. Bush won an estimated 44 percent of the Hispanic vote in his 2004 re-election.
Prominent Republicans, from television commentator Sean Hannity to former vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan, now support legalizing the status of some illegal immigrants. The outline of a bill to do just that was unveiled Monday by a group of eight senators, four from each party, and President Barack Obama reiterated his support for a similar overhaul Tuesday. Even in the Republican-controlled House, a half-dozen bipartisan members are nearing completion on wide-ranging legislation that would include a pathway to legalize the immigration status of those here without authorization.
It's unclear what, if any, immigration bill could pass Congress. Still, the shift in tone signals to some who favor tighter restrictions on immigration that parts of the Republican Party are ready to cave. That'd be a dangerous move, they warn, arguing that Hispanics strongly support Obama's health care law and other Democratic initiatives and are unlikely to ever back Republicans in significant numbers. They also warn that the party will squander a valuable resource by alienating its base.
"I don't know how you can even quantify the loss of enthusiasm," said former Republican Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, a longtime thorn in party elders' sides for his aggressive stance on illegal immigration. "You're not going to knock on any doors, make any phone calls or give any money."
Other Republicans dismiss that worry. "Where else are they going to go?" asked Sig Rogich, a veteran Las Vegas-based Republican operative who has long pushed for a more immigrant-friendly GOP. "They'll get over it."
Immigration restriction activists - they don't like being called "anti-immigrant" or "hard-liners" - lack the organizational heft of labor unions, business organizations and religious groups, their primary opponents in this debate. Nonetheless, for years they were able to block an immigration overhaul that included some kind of legalized status.
But polls show public opinion may have turned against them. An AP-GfK poll last week found 62 percent of Americans - and 53 percent of Republicans - support a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants. That's up 10 points and 22 points respectively from 2010.
"The economy's terrible, people are struggling and hurting. It's hard to go out and do what we were doing, at the same level, before," said Michelle Dallacroce, an Arizona-based activist who had to take down the website for her group, Mothers Against Illegal Amnesty, because donations dried up. "We're losing. We don't have a voice anymore."
Others are less worried. Rosemary Jenks, director of governmental relations for the Numbers USA, a group that favors tightening immigration restrictions, said the same popular rebellion that deadlocked Congress over Bush's immigration proposal also will stop Obama's, regardless of demographic trends and the November's election results. She noted that some Democrats, too, oppose a big bill.
"It's going to be the same Republicans on the amnesty side and the same Democrats on our side," she said.
Still, the tea party chat rooms and message boards Virginia Gomez reads are full of foreboding that some Republicans are changing their stance on the issue. "They have moved away from securing the border and standing firm," said Gomez, 67, who recently retired from a banking job in Illinois and moved to rural Utah. "They are trying to cater more to the people who are here illegally, but they are alienating people like myself, Hispanics who are born here in this country."
Michael Long, a retired Air Force employee in Colorado Springs who actively monitors the immigration debate, is resigned to the GOP cutting a deal. His antipathy for the idea is balanced by his respect for Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a point man on the bipartisan agreement, and his understanding of political realities.
"The last election scared the heck out of Republicans, and the numbers aren't going to go down for the Latino vote," said Long, 50.
Jan Taylor also expects her side to lose the political battle. She worked at an American consulate in Mexico during the last major immigration deal, in 1986, when President Ronald Reagan signed a bill that allowed 3 million illegal immigrants to become U.S. citizens. She remembers the stampede of people brandishing what she described as clearly forged papers showing they qualified for the amnesty. "It was kind of a game," she recalled.
Now, at 71, she's retired, living in Colorado Springs and dismayed the country may go down a similar road. For years, she's written to congressional and state representatives urging tougher enforcement of existing immigration laws and warning against another amnesty. She's not sure what else she can do.
"I'm only one person," Taylor said.
It's been a couple of years since the self-described conservative considered herself a Republican, but she still often votes for GOP candidates. That's partly because of their tough stands against illegal immigration, which the retired teacher's aide blames for ruining her Southern California hometown and fears could threaten the Colorado mountain community where she now lives.
But Lich and voters like her are watching with despair as more and more Republican politicians edge toward a bipartisan plan that includes a pathway to citizenship for many of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. "If the GOP agrees on this amnesty, they're selling out their core values," Lich said. "They'd lose us. They'd lose the votes of people who support them, and they're not going to gain a lot of votes."
Demographics and election returns are pushing Republican leaders away from people like Lich. In 2007, a grass-roots rebellion led Republicans to reject then-President George W. Bush's immigration overhaul because it included a process in which otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants could eventually become U.S. citizens. Activists derided the provision as an "amnesty." After tea party groups toppled various Republicans in primaries over their dovish immigration stands, the party's rhetoric and proposals became increasingly tough.
That's changed since the drubbing the GOP took last November. Mitt Romney received underwhelming support from voters in the two fastest-growing minority groups: 27 percent of Hispanic voters and an even smaller share from Asians, according to exit polls. In contrast, George W. Bush won an estimated 44 percent of the Hispanic vote in his 2004 re-election.
Prominent Republicans, from television commentator Sean Hannity to former vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan, now support legalizing the status of some illegal immigrants. The outline of a bill to do just that was unveiled Monday by a group of eight senators, four from each party, and President Barack Obama reiterated his support for a similar overhaul Tuesday. Even in the Republican-controlled House, a half-dozen bipartisan members are nearing completion on wide-ranging legislation that would include a pathway to legalize the immigration status of those here without authorization.
It's unclear what, if any, immigration bill could pass Congress. Still, the shift in tone signals to some who favor tighter restrictions on immigration that parts of the Republican Party are ready to cave. That'd be a dangerous move, they warn, arguing that Hispanics strongly support Obama's health care law and other Democratic initiatives and are unlikely to ever back Republicans in significant numbers. They also warn that the party will squander a valuable resource by alienating its base.
"I don't know how you can even quantify the loss of enthusiasm," said former Republican Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, a longtime thorn in party elders' sides for his aggressive stance on illegal immigration. "You're not going to knock on any doors, make any phone calls or give any money."
Other Republicans dismiss that worry. "Where else are they going to go?" asked Sig Rogich, a veteran Las Vegas-based Republican operative who has long pushed for a more immigrant-friendly GOP. "They'll get over it."
Immigration restriction activists - they don't like being called "anti-immigrant" or "hard-liners" - lack the organizational heft of labor unions, business organizations and religious groups, their primary opponents in this debate. Nonetheless, for years they were able to block an immigration overhaul that included some kind of legalized status.
But polls show public opinion may have turned against them. An AP-GfK poll last week found 62 percent of Americans - and 53 percent of Republicans - support a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants. That's up 10 points and 22 points respectively from 2010.
"The economy's terrible, people are struggling and hurting. It's hard to go out and do what we were doing, at the same level, before," said Michelle Dallacroce, an Arizona-based activist who had to take down the website for her group, Mothers Against Illegal Amnesty, because donations dried up. "We're losing. We don't have a voice anymore."
Others are less worried. Rosemary Jenks, director of governmental relations for the Numbers USA, a group that favors tightening immigration restrictions, said the same popular rebellion that deadlocked Congress over Bush's immigration proposal also will stop Obama's, regardless of demographic trends and the November's election results. She noted that some Democrats, too, oppose a big bill.
"It's going to be the same Republicans on the amnesty side and the same Democrats on our side," she said.
Still, the tea party chat rooms and message boards Virginia Gomez reads are full of foreboding that some Republicans are changing their stance on the issue. "They have moved away from securing the border and standing firm," said Gomez, 67, who recently retired from a banking job in Illinois and moved to rural Utah. "They are trying to cater more to the people who are here illegally, but they are alienating people like myself, Hispanics who are born here in this country."
Michael Long, a retired Air Force employee in Colorado Springs who actively monitors the immigration debate, is resigned to the GOP cutting a deal. His antipathy for the idea is balanced by his respect for Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a point man on the bipartisan agreement, and his understanding of political realities.
"The last election scared the heck out of Republicans, and the numbers aren't going to go down for the Latino vote," said Long, 50.
Jan Taylor also expects her side to lose the political battle. She worked at an American consulate in Mexico during the last major immigration deal, in 1986, when President Ronald Reagan signed a bill that allowed 3 million illegal immigrants to become U.S. citizens. She remembers the stampede of people brandishing what she described as clearly forged papers showing they qualified for the amnesty. "It was kind of a game," she recalled.
Now, at 71, she's retired, living in Colorado Springs and dismayed the country may go down a similar road. For years, she's written to congressional and state representatives urging tougher enforcement of existing immigration laws and warning against another amnesty. She's not sure what else she can do.
"I'm only one person," Taylor said.
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/2126080777001/does-president-obama-respect-constitution?intcmp=related?playlist_id=940325740001
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2140980961001/how-higher-taxes-are-impacting-americans/?intcmp=obinsite
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I am fed up with this, "Tolerance" BS.  I will NO LONGER be tolerant of ANYTHING that I do not see as common sense in this country.  I urge everyone else to follow suit.  The longer we are tolerant of bullstuff going on in our country, the worse it is going to get.  Anyone who cannot see that, needs a SERIOUS reality check.  I do NOT want my children growing up in a society of Tolerances and Entitlements with no ability to work hard and get what they justly deserve due to that hard work.  Capitalism, Freedom and Liberty are at serious risk in this country.  If we do not take a stand now, we may not be able to later.  I, for one am done with the agendas of politicians that cannot use some common sense and do what is RIGHT.  I am NOT putting up with it any more.  The president is supposed to be the PRIME example of Capitalism and Freedom in this country.  Usurping the US constitution whenever and wherever it fits for him to do it is just simply unacceptable, and if he cannot stop, it is OUR duty to see him removed from office.  The president is supposed to be OUR leader, the leader of this country, and he is failing to lead by less than poor standards.
Any GOP member that votes "yes" for this pile of BS should be removed from office by any legal means! NO AMNESTY! This country can not afford another 12 million people.I am SO sick of illegals getting a free ride.It has to stop!
No amnesty in any form! You can call it a "pathway to citizenship" or legalization" or whatever, but it's still amnesty!
Mandatory E-verify is one of the answers, not ANOTHER amnesty!
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No amnesty period. After years of waiting and thousands of dollars for immigrating my wife here legally this is a slap in the face. We dotted every " i " and crossed every "t", biometrics, photographs, a mountain of paper work. The same paperwork over and over again at each phase. She speaks proper English better than most Americans I know. She became a citizen as soon as it was possible, turning in a mountain of more documents and paperwork. She took a test I couldn't have passed without studying for. My wife has a good job, and is a highly valued employee. Pays taxes. The Dumbrats and Republicants should be ashamed of themselves and should represent those that elected them. Quit thinking of future voters and take care of those that elected them.
Just a note: If you ancestors came into the US through Ellis Island, there is a 45% chance they came in illegally. (That is the percentage of people who eventually got through despite being rejected for entry.) So your parents or grandparents could be the "anchors" that got you your citizenship. So if you eliminate the "anchors", you might find yourself on a boat back to the old country eventually. Be very careful what you wish for, you may get it.
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Since my family came to the British Plantations in Virginia in 1715 (We still have the land grant signed by George I), I'm sure Native Americans would call us illegal immigrants.
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1) For those who were brought here as children, and have stayed in school, stayed out of trouble, served in the military or USACorps, etc., there should be a path to citizenship. They are legitimately victims. But that path should also deny them the ability to sponsor their parents.
2) For those who crossed illegally (which is NOT a crime but a civil violation), but who have not gotten into trouble and worked and paid taxes, let them pay a fine (a BIG fine) and get legal residence but go to the very back of the line for citizenship.
3) Anyone who's been convicted of anything including misdemeanors: no path, period.
4) Set a fine for businesses hiring illegals of $100,000 PER ILLEGAL PER DAY. Watch all the jobs dry up overnight.
 @ShallowEnder I agree that we would be considered illegal immigrants to Native Americans. I submit that as evidence that secure borders are a necessity. :)
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Another subject where reality has no impact on people's opinions.
Yahoo news has a story reporting that by 2014 mexicans/hispanics will be the majority ethnic group in California due to the large number of anchors. Anyone really think they are not here to destroy the American way of life?
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If not stopped they will overtake other states, kinda like a cancer.
@FreerideNOT Thank your elected officals, for not doing away with being born here gives you citizenship.
Illegals more like a bunch of infidels. 3rd Crusade take back America from the Illegals.
I think that state and federal government agencies should aggressively go after businesses that knowing hire illegal workers. Have everyone in this country carry a national identity card that cannot be easily forged like driver's licenses. Require every job applicant to show this card before being hired. Investigate EVERY business in this country and if they hire illegals, shut down their business, take away their licenses and throw them in jail. And this includes farmers. If Mexicans and other Latin Americans cannot find work, they won't come to this country. Problem solved. But I'll bet you money that politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle will never do this because they know it would ruin the economy. And don't anyone give me the spiel that Americans will step up and work in the fields all day picking our crops when illegals are nolong taking away this type of job. That simply is not going to happen.Â
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A parent goes to a bank and robs it, gets away with $$$$$$$, then gives the cash to his/her kids. Do the kids get to reap the rewards of the parents criminal acts and keep the cash?????
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This is the same as the illegals entering the US with their children or having an anchor while here illegally. Should the child get the rewards of their parents criminal acts??????
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NO DEPORT ONE AND ALL....ILLEGALS AND THEIR ANCHORS NEED TO GO!!!!!!!!
 @FreerideNOT Tesla raises a good point.
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To really be accurate, the banks would have to lay off the tellers and bring in the illegals to work the counter for half the cost. Then the government would have to crack down, arrest the illegals, and not hold the bankers accountable - which is actually kind of a given, I suppose...
 @FreerideNOT Well technically, to be the same, the banks would have to invite the parent in and throw money at them
Hey the GOP wants their votes as well.
NumbersUSA just posted this story online:
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/january-31-2013/amnesty-proposals-will-cost-taxpayers-trillions.html
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Another mass amnesty would put Social Security on a faster path to failure. The reason being (as the article above points out) most illegal aliens -- even if they (illegals) do 'work' (and let's be generous and *assume* they pay some meager income/property taxes, etc) they never earn enough to cover the benefits they draw nor to cover the cost of educating their children. Â In pure fiscal terms, it's a massive recipe for disaster. Â Please do all you can to stop any amnesty from going forward.
@ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsPhredE The same can be said of many other groups in America at the present time. I would bet that close to half of Americans don't earn enought with minimum-wage jobs to cover any benefits they will derive like educating their kids and future social security and medicare coverage. So why pick on illegals.Â
 @peckishpete  @ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsPhredE Because THEY are breaking the LAW.
@peckishpete   """"""So why pick on illegals."""""
We are a land of laws and should not reward those who break the law by not only being here.... but break the law every day they work and/or soak up social services.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271455/Revealed-How-immigrants-America-sending-120-BILLION-struggling-families-home.html
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I still don't understand why illegal aliens have to be given incentives to stay here. Is the process to legally become a US citizen too tough? Millions of people went through the process throughout our history. The process exists; use it. If you choose not to, they can read the sign that says "Exit". And why are only Hispanics included in this legalization effort to legalize lawbreakers? Because there are so many of them? Or is it because of which party they vote for? Where is the voice of reason and sanity nowadays? Or must we always placate those with the loudest voice? Once we get to choose which laws we will abide by or enforce, what happens to the rule of law in this country? The answer will be that no one will ever comply with laws they don't agree with and civilization the way we know it will fail and fall. Is that we all want? Â
@jpk    If we dont help them become legal, who will mow the lawn at the White House? Or all the nannies working for Congress raising their children??  They do not want to pay a regular wage to a legal citizen for the same jobs, thats why they MUST become legal. Â
@jpk ....
I read somewhere that illegal immigrants committed 4300 murders last year on Americans in the U.S.. Over 70,000 people have been killed in Mexico the past 6 years and that's just the people that have been found. There is strict gun laws in Mexico but obviously do not work for law abiding citizens. Protect our borders Mr President!!!!
My advice to these folks is this: break away from the Republicans and form a third party. It's the only way. In 2016, nominate Tom Tancredo and Pat Buchanan - and no matter what, stick with them. In 2014, either nominate anti-illegal candidates or don't vote. That'll send a message!
I see this happening in America, today. Some of what Gov. Lamm said can be applied to the way obama is running this country now.
Gov. Lamm(CA) said it best. He said there 8 methods to destroy the U.S.
1) Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual bicultural country.
2) "Invent multiculturalism" and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture.
3) We could make the U.S. an "hispanic Quebec" without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. Replace the "melting pot" metaphore with the "salad bowl" metaphore.
4) Make the fastest growing demographic group the least educated. Add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population.
5) Get big foundations and business to give lots of money to invest in ethnic identity, and establish the cult of "victimology". Get all minorities to think the lack of their sucess is the result of the majority. Blame all minority failure on the majority of the population.
6) Include dual citizenship, and promote devided loyalities. celebrate diversity over unity.
7) Place all subjects off limits; making it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of "diversity". Find a word similar to "heretic"(16th century) that stops all discussion, and paralyzes thinking. Words like "racist" or "xenophobe" halt discussion and debate.
8) Make it imposible to enforce our immigration laws. Develope a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. "It's the right thing to do".
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 @myopinion240 "Unity is what it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games...
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"A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell."
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This is also from Governor Lamm's speech. One problem, though: it's wrong. The Greeks, despite their regional differences, united and defeated the Persians (who happened to be the most powerful empire on Earth at the time).Â
@Max Quinn @myopinion240 And the Persians, "most powerful empire on Earth at the time", were multicultural, a fact that would be lost Mr. Lamm. Where Rome took a stance of "when in Rome do as the Romans" for Persian it was - do your own thing, but you are part of the empire.
These illegal criminals need to go home....They arnt needed or wanted here.
All of us will be hurt by allowing the village idiot to repay the illegals for the votes......Yes I know they are not to be voting but we all know many do or they influance the legal anchor to vote as they wish them to.
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It is wrong,  completely wrong to reward a criminal for their crimes and yet the idiot is willing to toss America under the bus. Those who will get hurt the most will be the working class as the illegals will take jobs that many citizens hold today. Yeah I know they do already, look at the mexican truck drivers now driving products made in mexico to locations in the US. It was bad enough that Americans were buying their garbage but at least an American trucker got a job. Not anymore.
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Here's something to think about, once the village idiot gives them a reward they can and will apply to take government jobs and one of them could very well be your job.
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Who on earth are they polling? the mexican illegal? That is the only way they came up with these figures....Is there nothing we can count on these days? The days of telling the truth seems to have gone out the window these days - AND Obama and his henchmen are the worst in history....and saddest of all 47% believe everything they say...they have no talent for gleaning or wanting the truth...and the rest of us are stuck with it.....
I often wonder the same thing, is anyone talking to the legal citizens of the US or are they hanging around those that will destroy us.
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Let's put this to a popular vote at the next election. All voters must bring proof of US citizenship to vote. If the majority say allow illegals in then so be it, if not mass deportations began.
the illegals take all the good stuff at the goodwill and salvation army stores. fortunately for me i wear mostly big & tall stuff
Does it really matter what we think?  I mean, really? The government is going to do whatever they think will make a name for themselves. No matter the topic - healthcare, immigration, taxation, economic issues, gun control - it doesn't really matter what we think or want. They will pass the laws/regulations that they think will leave a legacy (good or bad) for all to wonder about in years to come.Â
Consequences be damned.
 @Justanother1 Whatever gets them the most votes. My grandmother--okay, to be fair, she shook JFK's hand and told him she wasn't voting for Democrats because they didn't let Mac nuke North Korea--made two frequent observations:First, women shouldn't be allowed to vote because they vote with their hearts and hormones, not with their minds. Whatever... Second, she predicted that the parties would start pandering to the illegals because the latino community would lock-step into supporting whatever politician promised them the most freebies, and she predicted that it would be the Democrats.  It's all about power.
I like the idea of a path to citizenship.
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The path first goes to their country of origin. Once back in their own country they need to go to the US embassy and fill out the paperwork. That will start the process and they can go from there.
'An AP-GfK poll last week found 62 percent of Americans - and 53 percent of Republicans - support a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants. That's up 10 points and 22 points respectively from 2010.'
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Wow. Â An AP writer includes a reference to a poll commissioned by the.. AP. Wow, now that's proof! NOT
Unless the true range of enforcement options is included in the poll -- a). full legalization, b). deportation and c). attrition over time by letting illegals return home when it is no longer feasible to stay [because of better employment screening]) you can disregard the results. Â Because, every, yes EVERY poll that has even been cited to show a majority of Americans 'in favor of legalization' never, yes NEVER includes the 'c' option above. Â They carefully and skillfully word the questionnaire to exclude it -- every.single.time.
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AP-GfK: Are you going to publish your methodology, your compiled data, your results? Uh-huh, thought so.